Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Unvote; Vote: Lord Winter

I approve of the information provided, though the method of presentation can use a bit of a polishing.

[Reenk Roink]

Unvote; Vote: Lord Winter

I approve of the information provided, though the method of presentation can use a bit of a polishing.

Just FYI town, TinCow has been BCC'd the earliest Pm's where Lord Winter affirmed his Mafia. Wonder why he waited so long to vote for LW, even if he had doubts about CR...?

And for all his questioning my townie status, does anyone know what TinCow is?

Also please tie it between LW and CR. This has to be a tie lynch, otherwise an extra kill will occur at night. The mafia families have made an alliance like apparently in Capo II. Why do you think such targetted kills occurred last night? CR's first PM to me alludes to this fact (he must have thought I was a rival family).

[Askthepizzaguy]

Lynch:


Lord Winter: 3 (Moros, Tratorix, Tincow)
Shinseikhaan: 3 (woad&fangs, Ricera10, Lord Winter)
Beefy187: 3 (Andres, gibsonsg91921, Crazed Rabbit)
Crazed Rabbit: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Sigurd: 1 (Kukrikhan)

abstain: DJGingivitis, Twilightblade




DIRECTOR:

Askthepizzaguy: 11 (Askthepizzaguy, spl1tpersonality, gibsonsg91921, Xehh II, Diana Abnoba, White_Eyes, slashandburn, El Diablo, Andres, Sigurd, Kukrikhan)

Slashandburn: 8 (LittleGrizzly, Reenk Roink, woad&fangs, beefy187, twilightblade, Crazed Rabbit, Lord Winter, Moros)

abstain: Ricera10




Tally could use a recheck.

[Askthepizzaguy]

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.


1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.


This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

[Andres]

Beefy187 will have to wait until next round.

Unvote ; Vote : Crazed Rabbit

[Tratorix]

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.


1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.


This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

Another line forming in the gallows. Crucifixion? Good, out the door, line on the left, one cross each.

[Diana Abnoba]

For the tie (actually a 4 way tie) Vote: CrazedRabbit

[Diana Abnoba]

failed, protection insufficient

Was this because Beskar was killed?

no.

All night actions occcur "simultaneously," so no one action can prevent another's action.

my pm

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.


1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.


This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

good luck town.

[Tratorix]

For the tie (actually a 4 way tie) Vote: CrazedRabbit

There is absolutely no way we're going to manage a four way tie. We should go for a double at most.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Seamus, I will be protecting CDF along with Diana Abnoba and Beskar.

This is what he sent all of us.


And yes, double lynch only please, it's the only feasible kind of multiple lynch. Whoever doesn't get lynched can meet the townies in trenchcoats.

[Diana Abnoba]

I know but it should be CR and LW, so that is why I voted CR. Just wanted to make sure the rest of the players knew it was a 4 way tie now. So they can change their votes if they want.


Sorry didn't see the unvote for beefy, I was typing my post. That makes it a 3 way tie.

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Select: ATPG

Going for the tie.

As for my choice of kills: OF COURSE my choices will seem scummy. I've already admitted openly to all that my original intention was to form a family. Why would the choices surprise you given that?

And as for Prole- I apply the old axiom "if you aint with me, you're against me" for mafia games. Neutral roles are not town roles, and thus, deserve punishment. IMO.

[DisgruntledGoat]

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.


1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.


This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

I'd like to actually hear Seamus say that, because I didn't switch orders. I sent mine in just as you said and thats all.

EDIT: And ATPG, you know my night actions because you have organized me since day one.

[Tratorix]

DISGRUNTLEDGOAT intentionally repealed his protection orders last night.


1. The protection group would have succeeded even if Beskar died because actions are simultaneous. (Confirmed, from Seamus)
2. Diana and Beskar both sent in the order, Beskar died, Diana I trust.
3. DisgruntledGoat forwarded the order to us all.


This means DisgruntledGoat is responsible for the death of a doctor. Townies.... night actions please on this man.

Just realized a problem with this logic. Beskar's death in no way clears him. He could easily have pulled out of the protection and just gotten killed on the same night.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Just realized a problem with this logic. Beskar's death in no way clears him. He could easily have pulled out of the protection and just gotten killed on the same night.

Fair enough... that is plausible.

But both Beskar and CDF were killed by the same family... kind of a coincidence that Beskar would betray us on the same night he and the doctor that just joined the game were also killed off by one family.

I'm still leaning DG on that.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Lean away.

I forgot to do my civic duty.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Select: SlashandBurn

[Crazed Rabbit]

Alright, I'm getting really sick of getting lynched when I'm pro-town in Capo. Instead of going after Shinseikhaan, a guy who admitted to killing a random townie, another townie because he said he had important info, and then lied about yet another killing, we go after me.

You know what I was doing the night Khaan attacked prole? I was tricking kage into revealing that he was going to go after Proletariat and warned her.

And when I commit to the town and attempt multiple times to join protection groups, only to be ignored or told I'm unneeded.

And yet one 'pro-town' alleges I'm some mafioso because some other mafioso said so, and I'm set up for the lynch? It was at this time in the last capo game that Sasaki, who had been pro-town to that point, switched to the mafia and got me lynched. Me, the FBI Detective in that game!

The townies didn't give me one round to defend myself, and set themselves straight on the path to defeat.

So how about this game, instead of blindly following the 'pro-town' Reenk, we give me ONE measly round to prove my innocence. It's quite simple; ATPG said I had a guilty result on me before. If I really was working with a family, I'd be a made and thus would come up 'criminal' and not guilty as I did before. But if I am investigated I will come up guilty even if there are no mafia killings because I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY FAMILY.

It's quite a simple proof folks.

But I'm going to unvote: beefy, vote: Crazed Rabbit

If my vote matters and I get lynched, then let the town suffer for its stupidity.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

Lean away.

I forgot to do my civic duty.

Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Select: SlashandBurn

So the guy who didn't send in his orders, letting the doctor die, and votes for the bandwagon on me, not bothering to tie up anything or vote for any of the admittedly more suspicious characters, and I'm the one getting lynched?

CR

[Andres]

Gah.

Is there a game where CR posted as upset as this and in which he was scum. It's just that it strikes me as un-Rabbitish to defend himself in such a way.



Unvote : CR; Vote : Lord Winter

[Tratorix]

It's quite simple; ATPG said I had a guilty result on me before. If I really was working with a family, I'd be a made and thus would come up 'criminal' and not guilty as I did before.

What was the guilty result from?

[DisgruntledGoat]

So the guy who didn't send in his orders, letting the doctor die, and votes for the bandwagon on me, not bothering to tie up anything or vote for any of the admittedly more suspicious characters, and I'm the one getting lynched?

CR

I'm not aware of the tally but it appeared to me that LW had recieved more votes so I was simply voting for the tie.

And frankly there is no proof whatsoever except ATPG gut that says I didn't send in orders. In fact Everyone in the PT group received my orders at the same time Seamus did. I've sent in orders every single time ATPG has requested me to do so.

[Reenk Roink]

Gah.

Is there a game where CR posted as upset as this and in which he was scum. It's just that it strikes me as un-Rabbitish to defend himself in such a way.



Unvote : CR; Vote : Lord Winter

Oh god NO! CR did this how many times now. In Capo I he pulled the same upset stunt at the end because of what GH did as part of my family, making it seem so unlikely Prole was the Donna

I respect CR too much not to fear him..

Keep the tie, but CR needs to die.

[Andres]

So, CR either spills the beans about all his night actions, who was involved and his role or gets lynched?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not aware of the tally but it appeared to me that LW had recieved more votes so I was simply voting for the tie.

And frankly there is no proof whatsoever except ATPG gut that says I didn't send in orders. In fact Everyone in the PT group received my orders at the same time Seamus did. I've sent in orders every single time ATPG has requested me to do so.

You can change your orders after you send them. Everyone sent in orders, one player died, but that does not affect the protection itself. Someone voluntarily withdrew the orders, and since the Tataglia hit both Beskar and CDF, I don't believe Beskar is Tataglia.

Diana is also no Tataglia, I'd wager my life on it. But you, DisgruntledGoat, could very easily have been responsible for this. It requires someone in the group to have betrayed it. Beskar didn't betray the group and get whacked by Tataglia along with the doctor at the same time, the most plausible reason for all this is you backing out.

[DisgruntledGoat]

Well I'm in no way part of the Tataglia family or associated with them or any mafia. If I do recall you had me investigated several nights ago did you not. Or was that a lie?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Well I'm in no way part of the Tataglia family or associated with them or any mafia. If I do recall you had me investigated several nights ago did you not. Or was that a lie?

You were. That does not mean that you have not joined a mafia family since then.

Explain this one to me: You were the only one besides Beskar Diana and I who even knew that CDF was a doctor, and I had just found out the night prior.

Why the sudden, precise hit on the protected doctor, making it look like the protection failed due to Beskar dying? That's too much of a coincidence. Someone knew he was a high profile target, and it was one of us.

It's either you, me, or Diana. If you have a criminal or guilty result right now, that means it was you. If I were to consider it further, there's no reason why you couldn't simply be an informant for the mafia, promised a place in one of the families if you succeed. But let's stick to simple explanations.

The simplest ones are that you did it, I did it, or Diana did it. I was investigated by the dead FBI as having, and I quote, "no mafia ties". You're the next biggest suspect. Then, Diana.

[atheotes]

So how about this game, instead of blindly following the 'pro-town' Reenk, we give me ONE measly round to prove my innocence. It's quite simple; ATPG said I had a guilty result on me before. If I really was working with a family, I'd be a made and thus would come up 'criminal' and not guilty as I did before. But if I am investigated I will come up guilty even if there are no mafia killings because I AM NOT A MEMBER OF ANY FAMILY.

Good luck with getting one more round... i tried and did not get it... admittedly it worked in the town's favour because i was a Don.
Kage tried it and failed - bad for the town because he was an unaffiliated wiseguy with no kills against him...
there are so many people here with their own interests and goals that they dont care what you have to say...ATPG (and Diana) did not even acknowledge the fact i worked with them...for most people as long as they are not the one getting lynched they will just get their vote on a bandwagon and drift away

[scottishranger]

Well I'm in no way part of the Tataglia family or associated with them or any mafia. If I do recall you had me investigated several nights ago did you not. Or was that a lie?

hmmm, back to relying on previous results?

could be a don.

[DisgruntledGoat]

You were. That does not mean that you have not joined a mafia family since then.

Explain this one to me: You were the only one besides Beskar Diana and I who even knew that CDF was a doctor, and I had just found out the night prior.

Why the sudden, precise hit on the protected doctor, making it look like the protection failed due to Beskar dying? That's too much of a coincidence. Someone knew he was a high profile target, and it was one of us.

It's either you, me, or Diana. If you have a criminal or guilty result right now, that means it was you. If I were to consider it further, there's no reason why you couldn't simply be an informant for the mafia, promised a place in one of the families if you succeed. But let's stick to simple explanations.

The simplest ones are that you did it, I did it, or Diana did it. I was investigated by the dead FBI as having, and I quote, "no mafia ties". You're the next biggest suspect. Then, Diana.

Will I not have a guilty result thanks to the vig group you had me join? You're looking for a scape goat and frankly the case is weak. If the amount of failures your protection groups have experienced its clear as day that they are infiltrated. Who knows who said what and who they said it too.