Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

[ULC]

This "pro-town townie" appears to have killed a normal townie on Night 1 and a detective on Night 15. That's some impressive pro-town work there.

Ohhh...missed this. Recruits into communism do not show up as communists - they show up as innocent.

*twirls away*

[KukriKhan]

Bless you, write-up writer, for the unspilt beer reference I was tempted to say getting snuffed in a bar, beer in hand, was better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick - but a double-tap to the left eye kinda makes that moot. :)

So, Chaotix had 2 protectors, but an unknown number of assailants. Mafia hit or vigilante attempt? Then 4 tommy-gun shooters vs Haudegen = a minimum of 6 townies busy last night on vig or prot teams.

What was everyone else doing - drinking tea?

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Re: atpg reveal: yes.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I know what is going on; The reason the mafia are getting defended every night.

The final original communist, Chaotix, is offering aid and protection to the mafia, as well as leaking information. In order to be able to take them out at night, we have to lynch Chaotix. At this point, the last couple mafia will be unable to defend themselves at night.

We are in the position of being able to remove all the threats to the town. Since the communists are providing aid and support to the remaining mafia, I request that we remove Chaotix. He's being defended at night as well.

vote: Chaotix

[White_eyes:D]

Vote:Chaotix

[Tratorix]

I know what is going on; The reason the mafia are getting defended every night.

The final original communist, Chaotix, is offering aid and protection to the mafia, as well as leaking information. In order to be able to take them out at night, we have to lynch Chaotix. At this point, the last couple mafia will be unable to defend themselves at night.

We are in the position of being able to remove all the threats to the town. Since the communists are providing aid and support to the remaining mafia, I request that we remove Chaotix. He's being defended at night as well.

vote: Chaotix

Vote: Chaotix

Might I ask how he is getting all these protections set up? Does he have like 5 doctors with him for some reason?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Vote: Chaotix

Might I ask how he is getting all these protections set up? Does he have like 5 doctors with him for some reason?

No, but I believe he compromised one of our doctors. We were doing well, and making good choices, but someone kept on tossing protection on our suspects. He himself is now getting protected. And he's been lying about what he's been doing at night, because he was supposed to be doing pro-town actions and then decided to attack a surgeon. By the way, that surgeon was supposed to have had protection that night, and every night.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh the tangled webs we weave, when we set out to decieve.

[Chaotix]

Is that how it's going to be?

What proof do you have that I have done anything of what you said? I cannot be leaking information because you have provided me with no information to leak; I cannot have compromised your in-group because you will not tell me who your in-group is.

I have no contacts with any of the mafia; if I did know their identities I would probably give them, because I am just as much against them as you, ATPG. Which is, I must be fair, not a whole lot.

I will drop the charade here and tell you that, yes, I am a Communist. But I'm also going to tell you a few other things; things that you will probably not believe because ATPG has you so firmly within the palm of his hand.

ATPG and the CIA are no more pro-town than myself. In fact, he is probably worse than I could ever be for the town. I know that the CIA, by virtue of my own role PM, has been given orders not just to neutralize the mafia, but also to neutralize the whole town. The way the CIA works in this game, as it has worked in history, is to make sure there is no one left alive or un-imprisoned who has witnessed their work firsthand. After ATPG kills me and the rest of the mafia, he will begin to pull new suspects out of thin air. Townies will begin to be lynched and vigilante-killed for no reason, and it will be three full phases before you guys figure out what is going on. By then it will be too late.

Why? ATPG has created himself a death squad that will follow him to the ends of the earth; he has the support of the FBI as well, for now at least. I cannot speak for the FBI, but I think the fundamental difference between them and ATPG is that they are pro-town. By the time they realize what's going on, ATPG will probably have an unbeatable voting block on the town.

Think about it: all of those townies he's had killed in the midst of his mafia-slaying were the ones most vocally against his policies. It is not an accident or a coincidence. All that is left are his supporters, the mafia, and me. There is nothing to stop him from lynching whoever he wants. And as the number of mafia drops to zero and more people become suspicious of him; those suspicious players will be the new suspected mafia. They will be lynched by ATPG's remaining supporters without any problems.

Yes, I am a Communist. Do you know what my goals are?

1. Survive
2. Convert enough people and come out on the winning side controlling them by numbers- either pro- or anti-town.

You know my goals. You know ATPG's goals. Choose between them. Or choose neither. I know where I stand.

Vote: ATPG

[Askthepizzaguy]

After ATPG kills me and the rest of the mafia, he will begin to pull new suspects out of thin air.

Lovely fiction, but here is where you made your big blunder.

The town is aware that after the mafia are dead, the game is OVER.

And your contributions to the pro-town cause ended when you attacked our surgeon. I've been making doctors, while you've been attacking them.

Your story is absurd.

[White_eyes:D]

2. Convert enough people and come out on the winning side controlling them by numbers- either pro- or anti-town.

.....and your innocent how?

[Askthepizzaguy]

.....and your innocent how?

I love how evil the scumbags all claim I am, too.

My entire side mission is to take care of the communists, and I've been intentionally keeping him alive so we can make new doctors and surgeons. All he had to do was continue being pro-townie, and I would have given up on my own side mission just so the town can obliterate the mafia even faster. And that's exactly what I have been doing.

You remember my promises about CountArach and Factionheir, fellas? If we don't defeat the mafia in the next couple rounds, I will vote for myself and remove all night protection. Not only is Chaotix's story completely disprovable by your own role PM's, I'm sure, but I can offer guarantees that I'm not doing what he says I am. I put two rounds on my life clock.

[Chaotix]

Really, ATPG? Is it all mafia, specifically, or all anti-town forces that act as if they are mafia? Because I believe you fit into that category. As I said; when this game does not end after you have killed all the original mafia families, you will come up with the reasoning that someone must have started a new one, or that there are still some remaining. And there will be. The remaining anti-town/mafia will be you. But of course, no one's going to believe me now.

.....and your innocent how?

You're right. I never said I was innocent. I'm far from it. I haven't expected to complete the second objective since my partners died. And right now, I don't expect to complete the first. But I have not once been maneuvering for an anti-town victory. I can win, partially at least, and you can win, too, at the same time.

But ATPG can't do that. And I'm certainly better than the one who has been deceiving you into his own victory this entire game.

[Askthepizzaguy]

But ATPG can't do that. And I'm certainly better than the one who has been deceiving you into his own victory this entire game.

I agree to die in two rounds to disprove this. I'll make it a double lynch and vote for myself.

[Reenk Roink]

I agree to die in two rounds to disprove this. I'll make it a double lynch and vote for myself.

There this settles it.

Now lynch YLC.

And yes, I doubt Atpg will live up to his word, but I also have a faith in the townspeople not to be duped a third time (am I making a good guess? )...

[Crazed Rabbit]

You remember my promises about CountArach and Factionheir, fellas? If we don't defeat the mafia in the next couple rounds, I will vote for myself and remove all night protection. Not only is Chaotix's story completely disprovable by your own role PM's, I'm sure, but I can offer guarantees that I'm not doing what he says I am. I put two rounds on my life clock.

You made the same promise about Beefy and I haven't seen you vote for yourself. If the game is still going in two rounds, you'll conveniently forget. If you kept your word in this game, you'd already be dead. How can the town trust you?

ATPG as CIA has killed many more than the commies of this town. The mafia is defeated, but the game continues. I wonder why...

CR

[Splitpersonality]

There this settles it.

Now lynch YLC.

How does that settle anything?

You're taking the word of the most powerful man in the town right now, that he will fade off and die in two rounds?

Makes perfect sense.. it's not like he has enough people at his disposal to keep him alive indefinately.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You made the same promise about Beefy and I haven't seen you vote for yourself. If the game is still going in two rounds, you'll conveniently forget. If you kept your word in this game, you'd already be dead. How can the town trust you?

If the game is still going in two rounds, I will vote for myself along with whatever the current suspect is for that round. You have my word.

[Reenk Roink]

How does that settle anything?

You're taking the word of the most powerful man in the town right now, that he will fade off and die in two rounds?

Makes perfect sense.. it's not like he has enough people at his disposal to keep him alive indefinately.

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And yes, well that depends on you now doesn't it?

It's common knowledge that Atpg is not really a powerful investigator for town goals by himself, and that the group's success is due mainly to the several detectives and doctors and townies that work together for the town. Atpg has done a great amount of work in organizing them (he also has been the main analyzer of the information he has gotten which has been less successful than I would expect), but he can easily continue this while dead (as he just can't quote PMs).

And split, I'm afraid I count you as one of Atpg's biggest lemmings... If this is your new way of looking at things then what I have to say is: about time.

[Tratorix]

Unless ATPG has a lot more CIA backing him, I fail to see how he could pull of killing all the remaining people in the game. He can't kill solo, and can't outvote anyone. I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.

[Splitpersonality]

Read it, I suppose it depends on what I do, but it's not just me. I want the rest of the town to be thinking as well.

I don't want the town to be fooled by anyone, no-matter who.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Oh the tangled webs we weave, when we set out to decieve.

[Chaotix]

I agree to die in two rounds to disprove this. I'll make it a double lynch and vote for myself.

I have to say, this seems to be your answer to every questionable lynch and you almost never follow through with it. In fact, I'd say you only follow through with it in games where you are actually a townie, and it doesn't matter if you die.

You've already pulled the trick once this game. What does that say about what your alignment might be?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Unless ATPG has a lot more CIA backing him, I fail to see how he could pull of killing all the remaining people in the game. He can't kill solo, and can't outvote anyone. I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.

It is an impossible mission objective. Especially if I agreed to die. You guys will know who all the doctors are, they can remove protection from me. The mafia still want me dead. And if I lie to you, you can also vigilante kill me. And then there's the lynch.

Chaotix admitted to being not on the town's side, he admitted it by his actions at night, and in-thread. He suggests he can win even with the anti-town forces, while I've been dedicated to stomping them. You have a guarantee from me.

[Chaotix]

Unless ATPG has a lot more CIA backing him, I fail to see how he could pull of killing all the remaining people in the game. He can't kill solo, and can't outvote anyone. I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.

It's the death squad. They are his new cronies, and they will back him until he dies, and possibly afterwards as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has made them full 'recruits', just as I have the ability to recruit- which is a better word than "convert", because I can't actually force anyone to join me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have to say, this seems to be your answer to every questionable lynch and you almost never follow through with it. In fact, I'd say you only follow through with it in games where you are actually a townie, and it doesn't matter if you die.

You've already pulled the trick once this game. What does that say about what your alignment might be?

How many doctors did you make? How many scums did you expose? What guarantee that you'd be willing to die did you offer?

[Crazed Rabbit]

There this settles it.

Now lynch YLC.

And yes, I doubt Atpg will live up to his word, but I also have a faith in the townspeople not to be duped a third time (am I making a good guess? )...

ATPG has to die here and now. You know he can't be let to escape. He will simply have lynched and night killed anyone who questions him by that time. Even now he defends the serial killer YLC.

There one (maybe two?) commies left, and they don't have the killing ability of ATPG.

His in game role is that of a criminal murderer; the CIA is not allowed to operate inside the US, so he's breaking the law, and he's murdered people. He's never even posted his role PM.

I seriously doubt he was given a main objective that would be nearly impossible to achieve.

Why not? There was a serial killer role, and we already have multiple FBI agents as anti-commie roles.

CR

[Crazed Rabbit]

How many doctors did you make? How many scums did you expose? What guarantee that you'd be willing to die did you offer?

You said you'd fall on your sword if Beefy was innocent. He was. So why not keep your word and vote yourself? Otherwise your 'guarantees' are worthless.

CR

[Splitpersonality]

I hardly think it an impossible objective for ATPG, he's a master of manipulation and deciet, from what I've seen in past games.

Difficult? Yes, but all you would need to do is gain the town's trust with positive reenforcement, and a couple of positive things here and there, throw your life on the line, give people trust, build theirs in return. Make them offers they can't refuse in good heart, while pushing your own ulterior motives behind the scenes.

Just my

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's the death squad. They are his new cronies, and they will back him until he dies, and possibly afterwards as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has made them full 'recruits', just as I have the ability to recruit- which is a better word than "convert", because I can't actually force anyone to join me.

That is sure going to win over the vigilantes who have been stomping scum all game.

And Crazed Rabbit, last I checked, murder was still illegal for townies as well, but they are still pro-town.

[Tratorix]

It's the death squad. They are his new cronies, and they will back him until he dies, and possibly afterwards as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he has made them full 'recruits', just as I have the ability to recruit- which is a better word than "convert", because I can't actually force anyone to join me.

Chaotix, I can't help but think that your argument would hold a bit more weight if you hadn't just admitted that you are trying to subvert the town and have attacked pro-town players.