Screenshots or replays next time please. :)
Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
Screenshots or replays next time please. :)
Last edited by antisocialmunky; 10-06-2009 at 05:14.
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Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
Yeah, I know. Need to learn to use that fraps ap. that I'm running in the background.Originally Posted by antisocialmunky
On a different note:
1. Diplomacy is still crap.
2. The Black knight syndrome is still present. Playing as France, Wurtemberg declared war in turn 4 or 5, while being able to field just a couple militia units. Fine, I destroyed the milita and offered them piece while my full stack was standing right next to the city. My offer was discarded as a grave insult to a "glorious nation". Fine, I captured Wurtemberg and decided to build it up a bit before attempting to trade it to Westphalia in exchange for protectorate agreement. As soon as the turn was over, my friendly neighbor Bavaria declared war. In disgust I reloaded an autosave and gave Wurtemberg to my enemies: the Innuit...
3. Fort battles are still retarded.... The wall cannons cannot hit anything despite starting to shoot much earlier than pre-1.4. As to "improved pathfinding": the AI is still hell bent on capturing the "magic flag". So, as far as a player defending a fort is concerned, the best defense is organizing a mouse trap around the town square and shooting the flag-hunters to pieces same as it was since the release of the ETW.
4. Cavalry's charge does not seem to break in bushes and trees. This was a 'feature' introduced already in 1.4. Cavalry seems to be able to "send the troops flying" even when running through trees.
5. The chain shot rules the high seas. Chain shot still has 100 more range than the round shot. Tip for the players: do not build anything higher than 5th rates (and even those are a waste). 6th rates and sloops are fully capable of demasting and subsequently destroying fleets of 2nd rates.
6. Choppy battle map: scrolling of the battle map is back to what it was before 1.3 - choppy as hell... Selecting a fleet at times results in 2-3 minute long map freeze same as it was before 1.3. Note that in 1.3 neither of these problems were present (at least for me).
There are good things too, but, in balance, CA'ers have managed to break as many things as they fixed...
Last edited by Slaists; 10-06-2009 at 07:32.
Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
So it sounds to me like CA took a big step forward with 1.4, and two big steps back with 1.5. Is this true? I really hope not, as I was finally considering ETW stable enough to consider buying.
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Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
For Slaists' points 1 and 2 i think the difficulty setting is why diplomacy is still "broken" for him. I bet he's playing on VeryHard campaign AI. I play Hard and i get way better results, no suicide nations and i can make peace deals if i am clearly stronger than my enemy.
For point 3 i too see a BIG improvement since 1.4 which is still there in 1.5. The cannons on the wall now work properly and while not killing entire squads, they do make a 120-men line infantry unit a 100-men line infantry unit which is a big advantage when they climb up the walls. And my men can shoot over the walls with their guns now, so defending a fort now really IS an advantage over fighting in the field. Also i cannot confirm that the enemy rushes straight to the center flag. I just had a defensive fort battle where the britains even attacked from multiple sides, opening the opposing sides fort doors so that their cavalry could come in.
Points 4 and 5 doesn't really bother me. Chain shot really is stronger since 1.4 but i think its okay. For me the sea battles play a lot more fluent and comprehensible.
Point 6 works perfectly on my pc. I play on relatively slow graphical settings but everything works great that way. No scroll-lagging and such...
So for me 1.5 is great so far and further improves the "tide-turner" patch 1.4. ;)
Last edited by Grombeard; 10-06-2009 at 11:59.
Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
Nope, that campaign I played on the Hard setting, not Very Hard. I replayed that turn in which, after annihilating Wurtembergian army, I offered them different peace deals. In all the replays except one, I got foam-mouthy refusals. The exception was: I offered them to become my protectorate in exchange for all the cash I had at the beginning of the turn. The reply I got: we'll become your protectorate IF you give us New France!... Right... A brilliant diplomatic maneuver when a full stack of French line infantry is standing right next to Wurtemberg's capital and they have no troops left.
For the forts: I'm surprised so many people mentioning the AI attacking the fort from different sides as being an achievement of 1.4/1.5. The AI definitely WAS doing that in 1.3. Whenever the AI had sufficient manpower they came down from all the ramps (and doors). The problem was, the AI's units that hit the wall first, would be coming down first while the rest of their troops would be marching along the walls towards the back of the fort. The AI is still doing the same in 1.5 and that makes the mouse-trap possible. The player has to arrange his troops in such a manner that the AI has free access (while being shot at) to the "magic flag" from all the ramps and all the doors. By the time the AI units reach the flag (piecemel), they're already wavering or routing. Unfortunately, this definitely is still the most efficient use of forts for defense.
As to the chainshot: last night I annihilated (captured actually) the whole Dutch fleet (a 5th rate, several 6th rates, several Fluyts + some brigs) with a single 5th rate while getting only one cannon knocked out on my ship. I never had to touch the 'round shot' option. That's the same kind of CA's "battle fluency" that allows sailing ships to cruise against the wind.
As to campaign map choppiness: I have a great, new rig and I play on all ultra settings, except the unit size which I have on large. But that's not the point. I played on the same ultra settings in 1.3 and NOTHING was choppy... 1.4 erased some of the cross cpu optimization (and potential move area calculation) that was fixed wonderfully in 1.3...
Last edited by Slaists; 10-06-2009 at 21:00.
Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
On hard setting the AI still won’t take peace unless you have destroyed every unit it has and have the city besieged...and even then it is likely to die.
The game is still a challenge on the normal setting and about as hard as M2TW got when you are just playing on easy.
I have not gotten to what has been broken.
If you are fighting now with chain shot it is pretty much as it was in the pre 1.4 versions.
I have had limited play in 1.5 but what I have seems challenging and improved even over 1.4.
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Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
@Slaists: Okay, you're right on the CAI... Maybe it was because as sweden i don't share much border with other countries at first and so i couldn't see what the AI is doing, but now that i have expanded my empire much further, more and more countries all gang up on me, just because i suddely share borders... And my allies, france and ottomans, both rich and powerful, leave my alliance as soon as I get a new DoW, even if its from prussia thats far from a big nation in my game... I must say, i'm quite disappointed, because i had those good experiences in the beginning. But now i think about playing M2TW again, maybe some kingdoms-campaigns that i have left out yet. Those were much more fun and even the battles were harder, because it wasn't that easy to outmaneuver/surround the enemy... :( I still think the BAI in Empire is not that much of a problem, but well, most of the game is on the map and the CAI disappoints me more and more the longer i play on a campaign... :(
Last edited by Grombeard; 10-06-2009 at 19:23.
Re: So what are your thoughts on how 1.5 is performing?
For the record minor factions are techincally "aggressive Grey rebels" from MTW2 and RTW. They are set to attack the player regardless.
Over at TW forums there's a guy who made a mod that changed minor factions into major factions and by treating them the same (Maintaining a good army within your home terrority) kept them from declaring war. Thus, we think it's a game design decision, not something "broken"
Or if you ally with someone like Poland, their protectorates will NOT attack you.
What about shadows?As to campaign map choppiness: I have a great, new rig and I play on all ultra settings, except the unit size which I have on large. But that's not the point. I played on the same ultra settings in 1.3 and NOTHING was choppy... 1.4 erased some of the cross cpu optimization (and potential move area calculation) that was fixed wonderfully in 1.3...
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