Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[Beskar]

But why wouldn't white eyes just stay in the protection group?

That is where the defeatist attitude came in. He has given up. His team mates are dead and just "bleh".

Pretty sad, I know.

[White_eyes:D]

ATPG left me out to dry.....and I just don't care anymore

I already told him it would be a waste of a lynch but he points out I bailed out of the protect groups and I also won't confirm who attacked him....so it's my fault

I already also told him it would be easier if he Vig-killed or blocked me.....but he refuses to do so

I just lost all respect for him now.....and I see that he doesn't at all care about winning with the town, but is more concerned with settling old scores

[Sasaki Kojiro]

That is where the defeatist attitude came in. He has given up. His team mates are dead and just "bleh".

Pretty sad, I know.

What other games has he given up on with a defeatist attitude? He didn't in godfather.

[Subotan]

Kill off one of: Sasaki's group for idiotically killing LG

Kill off one of the group Atpg organized to kill scottishranger

Favor (cautiously) the vig group that killed gibsons. Have some of those protected.

Who the is "Soldier Man"?

Aye. The cap'n's spoken.

Let's put aside our quarrels and chase some English. Tonight I want to dine on rosbif with lime.


[/sucking up to the cap'n to retain position]

*Puts on Dr Zoidberg's voice*
Dine with the Captain? What an honour!

ATPG left me out to dry.....and I just don't care anymore

I already told him it would be a waste of a lynch but he points out I bailed out of the protect groups and I also won't confirm who attacked him....so it's my fault

I already also told him it would be easier if he Vig-killed or blocked me.....but he refuses to do so

I just lost all respect for him now.....and I see that he doesn't at all care about winning with the town, but is more concerned with settling old scores

So, you have a death wish? Who have you left your treasure to?

[Language please - GH]

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG left me out to dry.....

You first.

and I just don't care anymore

That was obvious.

I already told him it would be a waste of a lynch but he points out I bailed out of the protect groups and I also won't confirm who attacked him....so it's my fault

In the absence of an explanation for the above, yes it is.

I already also told him it would be easier if he Vig-killed or blocked me.....but he refuses to do so

Why would I waste the time of four people vig killing you? You yourself argued just yesterday how pointless it is to let you live if you were a serial killer. "wasting" a vigilante group, remember? You're contradicting yourself. First I'm bad for not following my instincts and taking care of you right away, now I'm bad for not waiting to do so. It's a delightful dance of contradiction.

I just lost all respect for him now.....and I see that he doesn't at all care about winning with the town, but is more concerned with settling old scores

Wholly without merit or basis in fact. We worked together just fine in Capo, it is you who decided not to work with us this game. I didn't force you to leave, I did try to talk you into keeping your nerve, I didn't jump all over you when you left, I didn't immediately go after you when the serial killings started, and I only wanted an explanation for your actions.

Blame is easy. Self-reflection is harder. And, as if this was still all my doing, he has the power to stop all this with a simple explanation. But instead it is a pity party. Nothing I have control over.

[White_eyes:D]

And, as if this was still all my doing, he has the power to stop all this with a simple explanation..

What am I supposed to say?? That the SK started killing conveniently after I left the group??

You could have cleared me LAST NIGHT......There were times in Capo three that I told my partner to "trust you for just one more round" and I see now you didn't want to return the favor.....

[Askthepizzaguy]

What am I supposed to say?? That the SK started killing conveniently after I left the group??

You could have cleared me LAST NIGHT......There were times in Capo three that I told my partner to "trust you for just one more round" and I see now you didn't want to return the favor.....

Still waiting on why you left the group in the first place, and what you've been doing every night since.

[White_eyes:D]

Still waiting on why you left the group in the first place, and what you've been doing every night since.

figured I would abandon ship?....then when I thought it would be a bad idea with no islands around(due to lynch write-up) you said you had a "replacement"

That night the SK killings started and I was doing nothing....

The next night same thing.....because I figured I was going to be blocked/investigated or killed

Nothing happened...The only thing I can see that would even remotely imply that I am innocent is this..

Secret role(s):

Naturally, any and all details about secret role(s) will remain secret. I will say that there will be at least one.

otherwise I am quite dead... I didn't want to waste a lynch on it....but whatever

[Beskar]

Sorry, the Secret Role has been taken up by some one else in the game. Not by myself, but the role is that secret, it is even immune to Watchstander investigation, so when they said they were a secret role, and none of the watchstanders could investigate them...

[Subotan]

I still have two questions for White_Eyes
What did you do last night, and who are you leaving your treasure to?

[A1_Unit]

Sorry, the Secret Role has been taken up by some one else in the game. Not by myself, but the role is that secret, it is even immune to Watchstander investigation, so when they said they were a secret role, and none of the watchstanders could investigate them...

What do you mean?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Ok. So if white_eyes is maven and defeatist, then he would leave the ship unless he was unable too. Are there nights when you can't leave the ship due to storm etc?

[shlin28]

*Walks onto the deck rather drunkenly*

Yarrrrrr, that was a nice bottle of rum, I wonder where I can find some more...

Say, are there more people being voted? Lemme see the cases against them...

*Glances at the moldy piece of parchment*

Hmm... White Eyes is being accused because he backed out of a protection group, and then a SK started to kill? A bit too convenient perhaps, but not conclusive... Pizza Dude is also being far too serious... To be honest, I would be quite annoyed if the moment I backed out of a group, something happens, and I get suspected by the rest of you. (pever scandal anyone?) But his defeatist attitude is quite disturbing.

Hmmm... what about this Very Super Market person? Did he participate in the attempted kill against our Quartermaster? Is the attack against our QM considered suspicious? Judging by your votes, you guys do not seem to think that - does that mean further vigilante actions will not occur in the future against the Quartermaster or any of the other esteemed officers aboard?

Then there are the "lurkers", lurking in their cabins doing who knows what... Hey, why is my name on the list!?!?!?!?

Oh right. Unvote: shlin28

Hmm... who should I vote for? I do not think WE:D is guilty, and because there are no other suspects and my mind is too addled by rum to think properly, I shall be be a true pirate and challenge a certain artificial intelligence.

Vote: AI_Unit

Vote for me will ya? Watch out for my cutlass you silver mechanical...thing!!!

[White_eyes:D]

It looks REALLY bad....If I saw another townie who looked as guilty as I am....I would lynch them without a second thought....MY only hope was if ATPG blocked or had someone investigate me last night(To see that I was telling the truth about doing nothing)....or if someone else did

My backing out of the group couldn't have had worse timing...

[A1_Unit]

*Walks onto the deck rather drunkenly*

Yarrrrrr, that was a nice bottle of rum, I wonder where I can find some more...

Say, are there more people being voted? Lemme see the cases against them...

*Glances at the moldy piece of parchment*

Hmm... White Eyes is being accused because he backed out of a protection group, and then a SK started to kill? A bit too convenient perhaps, but not conclusive... Pizza Dude is also being far too serious... To be honest, I would be quite annoyed if the moment I backed out of a group, something happens, and I get suspected by the rest of you. (pever scandal anyone?) But his defeatist attitude is quite disturbing.

Hmmm... what about this Very Super Market person? Did he participate in the attempted kill against our Quartermaster? Is the attack against our QM considered suspicious? Judging by your votes, you guys do not seem to think that - does that mean further vigilante actions will not occur in the future against the Quartermaster or any of the other esteemed officers aboard?

Then there are the "lurkers", lurking in their cabins doing who knows what... Hey, why is my name on the list!?!?!?!?

Oh right. Unvote: shlin28

Hmm... who should I vote for? I do not think WE:D is guilty, and because there are no other suspects and my mind is too addled by rum to think properly, I shall be be a true pirate and challenge a certain artificial intelligence.

Vote: AI_Unit

Vote for me will ya? Watch out for my cutlass you silver mechanical...thing!!!

Shlin I already canceled my vote for you.

[Crazed Rabbit]

I think it's pretty clear W_E isn't a killer. Lynching him is a waste. We can roleblock him tonight.

ATPG, going after W_E is not helpful. This isn't going to be Capo, where people were killed for being unhelpful.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

I could buy that he is a secret role... Except he waits until now to suggest such a thing, and that's after doing everything in the book to harm his own credibility. If he were some powerful secret pro-town role, then why would he shoot himself in the foot, then the other foot, and then finally in the head? You know, when I have a powerful pro-town role that might be critical for our collective survival, I usually don't do a series of things almost guaranteed to get me killed, for no apparent reason. The way White_Eyes is playing, if we are to consider him a decent player which I do, suggests that he doesn't have a valuable secret role. Instead, that he is in fact frustrated or not really caring about the outcome. Which would seem to suggest the psychology of a man who lost all his teammates really early.

However, I'll give White_Eyes credit enough that he could be doing this for other reasons. I am just at a loss as to why. I can't really follow the line of thought at all. Everything suggests that something terrible happened which required his full attention, abruptly, and then he seemed to interpret his situation as being doomed. Enough so that he's almost eager to make it happen.

It doesn't match what I would expect from a British special officer or lieutenant. That much I'll warrant. However, the rest of it suggests he's at best unfocused on a town victory, and a bit too paranoid and secretive for an average able seaman. It shouldn't be too hard to say "oh yes I did vigilante actions last night" or "I was protecting someone who doesn't trust you" or what have you. Of course he's already denied both those options privately. The empty void that remains is... what was he doing, or not doing, and why wasn't he doing it?

If he believed for example I was dragging the town into the gutter, he might have joined Sasaki's vig squad. But that's not even his explanation either. I find it difficult to come up with a reason for his actions that reflects favorably on him.

does that mean further vigilante actions will not occur in the future against the Quartermaster or any of the other esteemed officers aboard?

I'm not holding my breath.

I think it's pretty clear W_E isn't a killer. Lynching him is a waste. We can roleblock him tonight.

ATPG, going after W_E is not helpful. This isn't going to be Capo, where people were killed for being unhelpful.

CR

I didn't call for a vig kill on him and I'm not voting for him. All I wanted was an answer to the question: Why did White_Eyes decide not to protect someone one night, just for the heck of it, without explanation? And if he did in fact do something, what was it?

I believe he could stand a little scrutiny. My vote is on Ricera10, someone who could use far more scrutiny.

If I saw another townie who looked as guilty as I am

Just saying.

[Tratorix]

I hope White Eyes isn't the long tale killer. If he killed me after all we went through in Capo, we're going to have a problem. Also, ATPG, if you thought WE was a serial killer, why didn't you roleblock him last night?

[TinCow]

Nothing happened...The only thing I can see that would even remotely imply that I am innocent is this..

Secret role(s):

Naturally, any and all details about secret role(s) will remain secret. I will say that there will be at least one.

otherwise I am quite dead... I didn't want to waste a lynch on it....but whatever

Talk more about this, please.

[White_eyes:D]

Well...it's true

And if Sasaki is willing to explain...I was not in his group and you know that

I was contacted to help but he said he had someone else to help with it..

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unvote W_E;

Vote: shlin28

auto-vote followed by riposte voting....not seeing a lot of analysis there, shlin.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unvote White_eyes:D; Vote shlin28

Sorry for the previous edit, I malfed the code and edited it immediately as is my usual wont.

[TinCow]

Well...it's true

So... if you're not scum, what are you? What's your goal? What are your abilities? There are plenty of special roles that are not good for the town, so simply claiming that with nothing more isn't very reassuring.

[Double A]

vote: Abstain.

See you crackpots on Sunday.

[Double A]

Oops I forgot to bold...

vote: Abstain

Leaving for the beach and don't have time to go over this.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm. I'll wait for word from White Eyes.

And news from our investigators.

CR

[White_eyes:D]

So... if you're not scum, what are you? What's your goal? What are your abilities? There are plenty of special roles that are not good for the town, so simply claiming that with nothing more isn't very reassuring.

Ok, I am....A townie

Sorry for confusing you all like that....(I myself am becoming confused)

All I was trying to say(Before Beskar pointed out that, The last Maven crewmen can kill solo which I didn't know about) was that there must be a secret SK role but that was blown out of the water

[Crazed Rabbit]

You certainly seemed to suggest you had a non-townie role.

CR

[White_eyes:D]

Perhaps I went to overboard with the SK thing??

I am not lying in any case.....but with all that *suggesting* I did....I don't think you would believe me...

[Crazed Rabbit]

You're probably not an SK. And we have ways of dealing with people in the night.

So let's look at other targets for now.

CR