Pirate Ship Mafia [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't why but I am sticking behind Reenk, maybe its because I am paranoid also and I don't want a fellow cautious person to go needlessly.

Regarding Reenk:

He's a known quantity, he can be protected, can be blocked (unwise), can be investigated more. He's not a danger. If he's mafia, he's trapped.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Reenk will have the opportunity to prove himself. But not the opportunity to go plotting and scheming against the town.

Edit: Why am I responding. You are the pro-mafia misinformation camp.

[Reenk Roink]

Whatever + bad attempt at humor mixed in with worse analysis

On night 4 there were single killers yes. So that's the only thing going for you at the moment. However, this rapier killer just jumped out of nowhere, hmmm. Perhaps a convert after you investigated n4, converted n5 or n6?

Your attempt to make me seem like I'm changing my story is just even worse. Much before you had any clue who I was, and were happily flinging poop at regular Pirates (most likely so you and your partner didn't have to do the kills yourselves), CR got word from me who I was, and I gave him 3 investigations I did.

He then later said it was 2 in the thread which I corrected him.

Then I mulled over just going ahead and giving the 5 remaining investigations I had (a watchstander gets 2 per night he investigates in case you forgot).

So your misconstruing of this whole situation is due either to:

1) a deliberate attempt to mudsling a watchstander so that the town rids themselves of him
2) just not having the analytic capability to do it correctly

Both reasons are grounds for people NOT to listen to you and removal from your position.

[TinCow]

I don't follow these leaders because my decisions and ideas are the ones I like the most.

Independent ideas are good. None of us are perfect and multiple minds are far more likely to catch the scum than a single one. However, I do believe that in this case CR and Louis are trustworthy. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I had some problems with 'the management' early on as well. I think my change in attitude should be proof enough that I am no longer suspicious of them.

All considering, I think they're done a pretty good job. The mafia are on their last legs, and that's thanks in large part to them. If you're actually a watchstander, give them a chance, and we can finish this game off soon.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Independent ideas are good. None of us are perfect and multiple minds are far more likely to catch the scum than a single one. However, I do believe that in this case CR and Louis are trustworthy. I'm not sure if you noticed, but I had some problems with 'the management' early on as well. I think my change in attitude should be proof enough that I am no longer suspicious of them.

All considering, I think they're done a pretty good job. The mafia are on their last legs, and that's thanks in large part to them. If you're actually a watchstander, give them a chance, and we can finish this game off soon.

Bull. The only reason we are alive is because of the Four Horsemen. They killed a maven on the first night and killed what looks to be a Brit suicide pact. If it wasn't for those, the enemy would have been much more organized and we would have much less townies by now.

[pevergreen]

Yeah yeah, four horseman, go core their apples elsewhere.

Would people stop putting ATPG in the Maven camp? He was never part of the maven!

You're destroying my credibility as a completely loyal townie as confirmed by the writeup.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Yeah yeah, four horseman, go core their apples elsewhere.

I'm sorry if the truth is not to your liking.

[Reenk Roink]

Reenk, I need you to tell me honestly, if you are mafia or not. I need to know this because what you tell me could determine if you are killed tonight. (And don't assume that if you tell me you are innocent you won't be killed and vice versa.)

Got this PM.

Well guess what, I'm a watchstander, and you can go and kill me for all I care. But I'm sick of the lies from the top, the four horsemen and the Bess killer agents of good just because they killed a few Maven/Brits. HAH! This is all an elaborate conspiracy and they are playing you all like suckers.

P.S: These are the kind of people Louis works with.

[Subotan]

So, your reply is basically "I have no proof to back up what I'm saying, but there's a conspiracy out to get me, so you should all believe me"
Right

[a completely inoffensive name]

Got this PM.

Well guess what, I'm a watchstander, and you can go and kill me for all I care. But I'm sick of the lies from the top, the four horsemen and the Bess killer agents of good just because they killed a few Maven/Brits. HAH! This is all an elaborate conspiracy and they are playing you all like suckers.

P.S: These are the kind of people Louis works with.

So much for protecting you from the officers.

[pevergreen]

Well nothing is stopping those four horsemen from winning. Who says that are aligned with the town.

Protecting him? You said you were going to kill him.

[Reenk Roink]

Big deal, I'm dead. First of all, the town could scramble a protection on me, I have had people protecting me before this.

Second if I die, it confirms:

1) There is a conspiracy at the top, or the top doesn't have a clue and is working with killers to kill good guys.

2) The top doesn't care enough to protect me, or even ordered a hit.

The townies eyes will be opened, because I'm a martyr and I will lead the Pirates to the promised land.

[Subotan]

Well nothing is stopping those four horsemen from winning. Who says that are aligned with the town.

You have no idea what our alignments are. Stop making your assumptions out to be fact, sympathiser.

Protecting him? You said you were going to kill him.

He is going to end up dead without us protecting him. He made a conscious decision to turn us away.

[Reenk Roink]

He is going to end up dead without us protecting him. He made a conscious decision to turn us away.

What? A guy sent me a suspicious *** PM essentially asking me if I was Mafia. I replied in public because I'm sick of the lies and game that I'm a watchstander.

If you guys wanted to protect me, why wouldn't the PM ask: "Reenk are you really a watchstander? If so we will protect you."

Instead of asking this line:

(And don't assume that if you tell me you are innocent you won't be killed and vice versa.)

[pevergreen]

Oh so you're one of them?

Fair enough.

Please PM the names of the four of you. I will not reveal them to anyone, I'm just going to put the names on a list of mine.

A black list, if you will.


Why do I presume the FH are anti-town? ACIN. Thats why. You're certainly not pro-town.

He may end up dead, frankly I don't care. I tried to work with him and he wouldnt get near me.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well nothing is stopping those four horsemen from winning. Who says that are aligned with the town.

Protecting him? You said you were going to kill him.

I didn't say I was going to kill him. I didn't realize dead men could make accusations.

My suspicions have been from early on in this game that one of the officers or town leaders is a mafia somehow and has attempted at playing the part of pro town since the beginning.

I believe whoever this is, is the reason why a pro town group (F.H.) who has had as much success at killing mafia is somehow portrayed as enemies.

I said earlier that i sided with Reenk against the accusations and I sent that letter because I believe the mafia infiltrator is playing his game plan of accuse and pick off townies one by one from a position of power unchecked.

I wanted him to admit to me that he was town through and through so I could rally my Tavern friends to protect him and prevent the mafia infiltrator for another day.

[pevergreen]

I can do pretty much whatever I want.

Except stuff that breaks the rules.

Yes, you've had success. But was it calculated or just blind luck.

You cannot tell me the group of you calculated and proved that a person was maven night 1 (was night 1, wasnt it? someone said that just above) and kill them, beyond doubt.

If you want to him admit, he already has? You're asking him to re-reveal in private?

[a completely inoffensive name]

What? A guy sent me a suspicious *** PM essentially asking me if I was Mafia. I replied in public because I'm sick of the lies and game that I'm a watchstander.

If you guys wanted to protect me, why wouldn't the PM ask: "Reenk are you really a watchstander? If so we will protect you."

Instead of asking this line:

(And don't assume that if you tell me you are innocent you won't be killed and vice versa.)

Because if I said, "tell me if your are mafia or not and I will protect you" then I have laid all my cards out on the table and let myself be susceptible to manipulation and lies from you if you were a mafia.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Oh so you're one of them?

Fair enough.

Please PM the names of the four of you. I will not reveal them to anyone, I'm just going to put the names on a list of mine.

A black list, if you will.


Why do I presume the FH are anti-town? ACIN. Thats why. You're certainly not pro-town.

He may end up dead, frankly I don't care. I tried to work with him and he wouldnt get near me. So him.

1. Louis already confirmed I am pro town.

2. I am not a part of the F.H. I guess my friend Subo is but I am simply the only person not willing to buy into the officers portrayal of them.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Let me pull a Reenk and post a conversation I am having with Pever.

Want the game to end a wee bit sooner?

Get louis. You wouldn't have though both officer positions would be maven at the start would you.

Louis has protection everywhere. It is impossible to get him.

Less than you'd think.

1 protection foils 1 attack.

He has one (if at all) protection tonight.

That is being targeted. I believe rapier killer. Or storyteller. One of the two. Most likely rapier, they tell me.

Join in against louis and he goes bye-bye, game has one more to kill.

i don't trust you. you have no reason to help me. you accuse me of being in the F.H. (I am not but I guess my buddy Subo is.) your words are wasted on me.

[pevergreen]

Fake some more PM's please.

[a completely inoffensive name]

lol nice try. Took you 18 minutes to come up with that?

[Crazed Rabbit]

Do NOT kill Reenk tonight, 'four horsemen'.

There's two options; he is what he say he is and is acting somewhat normally, in which case you've killed a watchstander, or he is bad in which case we can lynch him tomorrow. There is a much better target for tonight.

Do NOT listen to Pevergeren. He is NOT pro-town.

Do not give him any information, either. He is a liar; Louis was investigated by the same watchstander killed by the Maven recently.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Serious mode-

Guys, relax. It is just a game. It isn't worth it.

[pevergreen]

lol nice try. Took you 18 minutes to come up with that?

I'm at work, I have a job.

I just did up invoices in that time. Got to bill customers.

Do NOT listen to Pevergeren. He is NOT pro-town.

its confirmed I'm not anti-town. I don't have an alignment. True Neutral, you may say.

[Crazed Rabbit]

There's a special place in Davy Jones' locker for pirates who are neutral when under attack.

And yes, I was joking (about spelling your name). I was hoping the 'P' and the 'geren' would make it obvious.

CR

[Louis VI the Fat]

On night 4 there were single killers yes. So that's the only thing going for you at the moment. However, this rapier killer just jumped out of nowhere, hmmm. Perhaps a convert after you investigated n4, converted n5 or n6?

Officers can't be converted while in office.

The British are dead. We are looking for a Maven. Louis and Rabbit lynched Sigurd for being a maven. So the officers can not possibly be Maven. The officers are cleared.



Anyway, we are not out to kill you. Just trying to establish your role. Maybe the horsemen can protect you tonight? The Maven are reading this thread in delight, what with the prospect of a possible watchstander and a possible sudden defection of his protection group.



Pervergeen - yes, send the attackers to come after me tonight.

[Double A]

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blah blah blah it's not Pevergreen it's pevergreen

Aside from that, its confirmed I'm not anti-town. I don't have an alignment. True Neutral, you may say.

I'm going to say that I'm not exactly proud of this, but I'd just like to point this out:

Hey duuude.

You interestd in joing the maven?

We need to know how much gold you have.

Also CR's already suspicious of me for dropping last night's protection.

Yeah I know that.

I may get back to you

Oh thanks for the bloody encouragement!



Uhh you are dead right?

Yeah im dead confirmed townie by writeup.

I'm not sure how the game is going right now. Those 4 horsemen are creepy, so is the Blunderbuss guy. I like living, so... And I'm not sure what that storyteller guy is up to.

And CR probably is having me investigated as we speak.

Is that a bad thing? if so I may be able to divert it.

No idea. But I can't exactly join the Maven, and you haven't even given me a good reason, if I'm unsusceptible to the booty.

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[Crazed Rabbit]

Hmm. Pever strives to defend Reenk. And recruit for the Maven. Perhaps Reenk is Maven as well.

CR

[Louis VI the Fat]

Double A - that's the scummiest thing I've ever read, and I don't mean the faked pevergeen part.