The EB Face Database: Faces Required For EBII!

[bobbin]

Tux's Requirments

To create realistic and quick faces we prefer to use pictures from real persons and modify them by adding beards, scars and other features. Thus to help our work we need pictures that satisfy some requierements:

-the picture should have an resolution of at least 240*300(of the head area);
-there shouldn't any lights that light only part of the face;
-the angle on which you view the face should be straight; (

Some optional requierments:
-they should have their mouth closed
-eyes should be open

And here's an example that:


And what was obtained using it:



Tux

*Note: Click on the images to see the size needed*

On top of what Tux suggested I recommend that the face should be relatively unobscured by things such as hair and other objects (Beards are fine though) and obviously no things things such as glasses or sunshades. Photos should also be in colour.

On a final note feel free to send in your own face along with any others if you wish and if your lucky it might end up in the mod.

[A Very Super Market]

Keep in mind that populations do move around though. A Tunisian EB player probably wouldn't look anything like a Carthaginian.

[bobbin]

Actually most Tunisians would look quite similar to the majority of the Carthaginian population and their soldiers (ie Bebers) as genetically little has changed.
In most cases the underlying gentics of a region is rarely affected by invasion and migration all that happens is people start to identify themselves with the newcomers and abandon their old ethnic identity, Britons despite seeing multiple migrations and invasions share at very least 50% and usually much more of thier genes with the orginal settlers of the island, same goes for Turkey where dispite the majority of the popuation identifying as Turkish genetically their little different from the people of Anatolia in EB's timeframe.

[A Very Super Market]

Really? Well, excluding my poor example, what about all those tribes that were forcefully pushed out by the huns?

[satalexton]

too few to make a difference. The reason they're pushed out cuz they're not dead, the Huns killed them all.

[bobbin]

Well the Huns didn't have much of an impact otherwise whole areas of eastern europe would have mongolian features, plus they didn't drive out the entire population of a region when they took over and large parts of their armies were other european tribes that would have looked similar to to the conquered people. Even in France which bore the brunt of the migration period the genetics didn't change by that much.

Have a look at the demographic's section in most countries Wiki pages and there will usually be a little bit about population genetics.

This page also has some interesting maps showing the various distrubutions of genetic halotypes in europe and their origins.

[bobbin]

Okay the requiements are up so I'll get the ball rolling with this grim looking guy perfect for a Gaul.
Sebastian Chabal a French rugby player

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I am Cree, Saulteaux, and Metis. Can you use my pretty face?

Yeah sure just say which region group you think you should go in and I'll pop you in there.

[KARTLOS]

Actually most Tunisians would look quite similar to the majority of the Carthaginian population and their soldiers (ie Bebers) as genetically little has changed.
In most cases the underlying gentics of a region is rarely affected by invasion and migration all that happens is people start to identify themselves with the newcomers and abandon their old ethnic identity, Britons despite seeing multiple migrations and invasions share at very least 50% and usually much more of thier genes with the orginal settlers of the island, same goes for Turkey where dispite the majority of the popuation identifying as Turkish genetically their little different from the people of Anatolia in EB's timeframe.

even if the underlying genetics are fairly consistent, it does not take require a big influx to make a big impact - particularly if the phenotype of the new stock is very distinct.

Consider for example what happens when you mix some of black African descent with a European. The typical black african features e.g skin colour, hair type, facial features are quite strong and distinct from those of a european. In a practical sense this means that if you had only one black grandparent your lineage would still be obvious.

this is particularly pertinent in North Africa, where there has been a considerable intermixing with people of sub- saharan (e.g "black" african) descent over the past 2000yrs, and particularly since the arrival of islam. This is particularly obvious in Egypt which has always had strong links to sub saharan africa, and in morrocco where there was a deliberate use of black slave armies.

This influx would have occured on a much smaller scale in the time of E.b and it is fair to say that in many instances North Africans no longer resemble the peoples who inhabited that region in the time frame of Eb

[bobbin]

even if the underlying genetics are fairly consistent, it does not take require a big influx to make a big impact - particularly if the phenotype of the new stock is very distinct.

Consider for example what happens when you mix some of black African descent with a European. The typical black african features e.g skin colour, hair type, facial features are quite strong and distinct from those of a european. In a practical sense this means that if you had only one black grandparent your lineage would still be obvious.

this is particularly pertinent in North Africa, where there has been a considerable intermixing with people of sub- saharan (e.g "black" african) descent over the past 2000yrs, and particularly since the arrival of islam. This is particularly obvious in Egypt which has always had strong links to sub saharan africa, and in morrocco where there was a deliberate use of black slave armies.

This influx would have occured on a much smaller scale in the time of E.b and it is fair to say that in many instances North Africans no longer resemble the peoples who inhabited that region in the time frame of Eb

I wouldnt agree with that, while i'm sure there are some people and some areas that have noticable african descent the large majority of north africans would look similar to those in EB's timeframe as the numbers moving into the region would be too small to drasticly effect the look of the people.
As for the black grandparent thing you'd be surprised how quickly such noticable features can disappear, a friend of my mother's didn't even know that his great-grandfather was Tamil until he saw an old family photograph with him in, up until that point he thought he was 100% British.

Anyway its all beside the point as this is just a database, the EB skinners will decide what faces to use and will no doubt pick the most appropriate.

[Tux]

Anyway its all beside the point as this is just a database, the EB skinners will decide what faces to use and will no doubt pick the most appropriate.

In fact the historians will choose them. Of course we will do the same thing but mostly like proposals for them.

[Subotan]

Anyway its all beside the point as this is just a database, the EB skinners will decide what faces to use and will no doubt pick the most appropriate.

My face is very appropriate . Do you think they'd prefer a slightly fuzzy upper lip, or totally clean shaven?

Seriously though, is there a possibility that we'll end up with a series of stereotypes, as the skinner may pick the face with the most "Celtic" or "Indian" characteristics?

EDIT: I found one, possibly for the European face?

[Genava]

Northern Europa:
http://www.les-ambiani.com/galerie_t.../Andabatta.jpg

Southern Europa:
http://www.les-ambiani.com/galerie_t.../Ordomatos.jpg

[bobbin]

Seriously though, is there a possibility that we'll end up with a series of stereotypes, as the skinner may pick the face with the most "Celtic" or "Indian" characteristics?

As Tux said its the EB Historians who will decide what faces to use so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Pic from Subotan added
Pic from Genava added

[Tux]

Guys stop the spamming, it isn't helpful. If you wish to see your face in our units then at least make them fit the requierments.

The thread has just been opened and out of all the posts there are only 2 with submissions. Also if you wish to discuss how much the genetics have changed from antiquity then make another thread.

This is a face database thread and not a personal chat thread.