I have a theological question

[Prussian to the Iron]

Ok, so me and this guy on Youtube are fighting (you've read too far, you must continue to help my stupid Youtube debate!! You're lured!!!) over his ridiculous belief that the Earth is 5,000 years old.

Now, before anyone says anything, I just want to make it clear this is not a debate, I am simply looking for information.

Now, I know the Earth is older than that. Jesus didn't travel the world putting down dinosaur bones and tar pits, and making cataclysmic events seem to have happened.

But this guy just keeps saying "Oh the bible says so!"

So, I would like to know:


Exactly what verse, chapter does it say that the Earth is 5,000 years old in the bible? I have a copy myself (need it for my Jewish sunday school), so I could look it up once I am told where.


Though I am foreseeing no sentence which states that (though I suppose that it would be 3,000 back when it was written, right?) I'd like to be sure. I know it won't sway my beliefs, but if there is nothing that says that, and he cites the bible, than that makes him the dumbass who loses.



Thanks guys!


EDIT: And get this, he's not Republican OR Conservative!!! And he called me a liberal....when I had stated that I was Republican....just to show you how stupid this guy is.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...3&postcount=71

[Subotan]

You could just say that as you are Jewish, and therefore a member of God's chosen people, he has revealed to you the true age of the Earth, but he told you to keep at a secret :3

Also, the Youtube comments section is the stupidest place on the internet, a black hole of ignorance, even taking into account several other places that shall remain nameless.

[Prussian to the Iron]

You could just say that as you are Jewish, and therefore a member of God's chosen people, he has revealed to you the true age of the Earth, but he told you to keep at a secret :3

Also, the Youtube comments section is the stupidest place on the internet, a black hole of ignorance, even taking into account several other places that shall remain nameless.

i know the comments section is just that, but its fun as hell arguing with strangers that dont know what the hell they're talking about.

and thanks, ill do that!

[al Roumi]

.. its fun as hell arguing with strangers that dont know what the hell they're talking about.

Some times it seems this the only point of the internet.

[Subotan]

Some times it seems this the only point of the internet.

There are others?

and thanks, ill do that!

Now that you're going to do that, you have to show me the effects of what you're going to say.

[al Roumi]

There are others?

My detailed research indicates 2 possible other existential reasons for the internet (in no particular order):

1. Pornography
2. "Headshot"

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Ok, so me and this guy on Youtube are fighting (you've read too far, you must continue to help my stupid Youtube debate!! You're lured!!!) over his ridiculous belief that the Earth is 5,000 years old.

Now, before anyone says anything, I just want to make it clear this is not a debate, I am simply looking for information.

Now, I know the Earth is older than that. Jesus didn't travel the world putting down dinosaur bones and tar pits, and making cataclysmic events seem to have happened.

But this guy just keeps saying "Oh the bible says so!"

So, I would like to know:


Exactly what verse, chapter does it say that the Earth is 5,000 years old in the bible? I have a copy myself (need it for my Jewish sunday school), so I could look it up once I am told where.


Though I am foreseeing no sentence which states that (though I suppose that it would be 3,000 back when it was written, right?) I'd like to be sure. I know it won't sway my beliefs, but if there is nothing that says that, and he cites the bible, than that makes him the dumbass who loses.



Thanks guys!


EDIT: And get this, he's not Republican OR Conservative!!! And he called me a liberal....when I had stated that I was Republican....just to show you how stupid this guy is.

It isn't in there. Bishop Ussher fixed the date at around 4,000 BC (he was exact), so the guy is wrong anyway. In any case, Ussher was an Oxford Don and he fixed the date as Exam Day at the university.

i.e. total cobblers.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Interesting, Rhy and I have been arguing so long we've started paraphrasing each other.

[Strike For The South]

The bible says so.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The bible says so.

No, it really doesn't.

[Strike For The South]

No, it really doesn't.

I have my KJV in my room. I can go get it!

The world is 6000 years old, gay people are icky, capitalism is WWJD, Xenophobia is a good thing, and reach out to your fellow man only if agrees with you.

It's all there.

[Prussian to the Iron]

No, it really doesn't.

you gotta cut him some slack though, remember (SFTS dont read this)

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

he's texan

than again im souther californian, so i should believe boob-jobs and plastic surgery are gods







maybe that post went a little far...

[Aemilius Paulus]

Also, the Youtube comments section is the stupidest place on the internet, a black hole of ignorance, even taking into account several other places that shall remain nameless.

Yeah, seriously, 4chan looks like a gathering place of upper-crust academics or the Royal Society in comparison to YouTube... To debate there is more pointless than... I am at loss of words.

I would simply ignore the bloke, PI - not like anything will change

EDIT: And get this, he's not Republican OR Conservative!!! And he called me a liberal....when I had stated that I was Republican....just to show you how stupid this guy is.

Seriously, if he is that stupid and reactionary, then ignore him. Debating with a Young-Earth, KentHovind/KenHam creationist is more pointless than debating with any other group I know of. I learned this from my personal experience. Believe me, I live in the South . But you will learn this too, Prussian Iron.

We all have to, on our own. I debated, like you, in RL, few years ago, with Young-Earth creationists. And I quickly came to understand that few groups are more close-minded. Not that most humans are better... Everyone stick to their beliefs - but they do it more than most Neo-Nazis I know

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I have my KJV in my room. I can go get it!

The world is 6000 years old, gay people are icky, capitalism is WWJD, Xenophobia is a good thing, and reach out to your fellow man only if agrees with you.

It's all there.

Yeah... the dates are only in the later re-reprints.

[Strike For The South]

Yeah... the dates are only in the later re-reprints.

[Prussian to the Iron]

I have my KJV in my room. I can go get it!

The world is 6000 years old, gay people are icky, capitalism is WWJD, Xenophobia is a good thing, and reach out to your fellow man only if agrees with you.

It's all there.

i cant help but think hes just screwin witcha Phillipvs. i dont think hed say gay people are icky and the rest.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

i cant help but think hes just screwin witcha Phillipvs. i dont think hed say gay people are icky and the rest.

Note the ""

[Cronos Impera]

You tell me Mother Gaia is old. How impolite, you never ask a lady her true age. Mother Gaia is always 5000 years old. Look, she has the cosmetics bill to confirm that.

[Ironside]

The Genesis (first part of the bible) contains a timeline from Adam and forward, which put the flood 1429 years after the creation of earth. Going with the literal interpretation of course.

It goes down to Moses IIRC but gets more annoying to keep track on the exact years fairly soon after the flood.

Abraham is born 292 years after the flood. Stopped counting because it's get really hard to keep track, but Moses should be something like 200 years later.

There's multiple bible versions on the net nowadays.

Slam on historical sources (aka written sources) and if they counter with thier total age, point out that the tower of Babel is post flood and none seems to have noticed the flood (that wiped out 99.999% of the human population or something) in historical time...

Can be worth noticing that Noah's grandfather died the same year of the flood and that Noah doesn't seem to have cared one bit about the drowning of his brothers and sisters.

[Subotan]

Yeah, seriously, 4chan looks like a gathering place of upper-crust academics or the Royal Society in comparison to YouTube... To debate there is more pointless than... I am at loss of words.

4chan can generally be described as smart people doing stupid things (Although that's not always true), Digg is stupid people doing smart things (Bloody Lolbertarians) but Youtube is definitely stupid people doing stupid things. (And the Orgah is generally smart people doing smart things ).

I would simply ignore the bloke, PI - not like anything will change

I have only ever managed to convince someone to my point of view via debate over the internet, as I convinced a Ron Paul supporter of the existence of something called society virtues, and of the virtues of social democracy, on /b/, funnily enough.

But yeah, I would probably give you a medal if you managed to not only engage in serious debate on Youtube, but to make this guy repent his YEC sincerely. It's actually impossible.

Seriously, if he is that stupid and reactionary, then ignore him. Debating with a Young-Earth, KentHovind/KenHam creationist is more pointless than debating with any other group I know of. I learned this from my personal experience. Believe me, I live in the South .

I dunno, trolling can be pretty fun, especially on Youtube. Remember that game Meth invented?

We all have to, on our own. I debated, like you, in RL, few years ago, with Young-Earth creationists. And I quickly came to understand that few groups are more close-minded. Not that most humans are better... Everyone stick to their beliefs - but they do it more than most Neo-Nazis I know

The weirdest scenarios are when they try to be scientific in order to give legitimacy to their arguments, and yet completely fail in every regard.

My detailed research indicates 2 possible other existential reasons for the internet (in no particular order):

1. Pornography
2. "Headshot"

Hmm, interesting, I must explore the concept of "Headshot Pornography" further.

[Ronin]

Hmm, interesting, I must explore the concept of "Headshot Pornography" further.

Anyone who has seen a porno movie should be able to grasp that concept quite quickly.

[Subotan]

Btw you totally need to post the link where this debate is happening.

[miotas]

I have my KJV in my room. I can go get it!

The world is 6000 years old, gay people are icky, capitalism is WWJD, Xenophobia is a good thing, and reach out to your fellow man only if agrees with you.

It's all there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95hH1H5qK08#t=42s (language warning)

[A Very Super Market]

Gee, maybe he's a trooooolllllll?

Oh my gooooooooooooooooooood

Seriously, making up a silly argument and repeating the same phrase is easy to do. You bit. This isn't an argument, this is just you biting hard and refusing to let go. For all you know, he's a professor of biology at Stanford with too much free time.

[miotas]

More likely a psychology professor I reckon.

[Prussian to the Iron]

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Hmm, interesting, I must explore the concept of "Headshot Pornography" further.

Anyone who has seen a porno movie should be able to grasp that concept quite quickly.

yeah, nothing like watching people in fallout 3 having sex than get their heads blown off!!!


oh...wait.....is that not what you meant? ohhhh..........................

*embarassed FO3 Modders step out of the room*

[Strike For The South]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95hH1H5qK08#t=42s (language warning)

I don't know what those Germans are on about but they are certianly burning in hell

[Centurion1]

lol you can never win an arguement about faith. See many threads in the backroom for proof.

[Centurion1]

lol i read it backwards..... the guy arguing about islam is a TOTAL fundamentalist as is the christian (flob?).


stupid people, pi dont even bother.

there are surprisingly a good comments mixed in there