which means I am in the clear, as my invasion started order 4Excellent.
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which means I am in the clear, as my invasion started order 4
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How could you? You have nothing to gain...Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan
which means I am in the clear, as my invasion started order 4
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I have everything to gain, and far more to lose if I sit back. You really don't get how doomed you are......Better to be the victor than neutral. I stand to gain much by acting, and you frankly gave me no offer, while the Swiss are giving me quite an acceptable one.
You should have tried to get allies in this war France, now you are basically all alone.You brought your doom down on yourself.
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Wow, I was expecting everyone to gang up on me, I guess being kind to switzerland paid off.
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Depends if you forgot your orders or not.
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I did, I did. Geeze.
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We were going to gang up on you, but France decided that he desperately wanted to die. Now, I am envisioning the exact same peaceful western europe, except with Spain instead of France as my ally to the west of me.
And yes, being nice to Switzerland is what made that happen.
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I love how everyone is saying that I was a bad diplomat, but in fact, it's the opposite. I was, admittedly, going in for brinkmanship. I do not deny that. However, it was on the basis that everyone else would react rationally in order to counter rising powers. People did not act rationally, as everyone has sided with the world's biggest power to help it take down it's strongest opponent.
Err, what? That is logical how? Spain has already proved it's untrustworthiness, and taking out it's biggest obstacle isn't good for anyone. It's only a matter of time before, as you say, "my doom upon myself" results in doom spreading across Europe. I have at all times made calculating decisions, expecting other states to behave rationally. Instead, I have seen Switzerland embark on a war of conquest and then trade away half of those lands in return for some as of yet unspecified return (Probably Mercs), Saxony, for some totally bizarre and non-RP reason attempt want to start a war over land it shouldn't have owned due to a fault in the game mechanic and that I was merely trying to restore to it's proper owner, not for any sort of personal gain.
I at least expected the Netherlands and England to stay neutral; by attacking me, you're hastening your own doom. Although France is tolerant towards Protestants (Edict of Nantes FTW), Spain most certainly is not, and you'll find scores of Armadas in the the Channel, thanks to your own rash actions.
I'm not trying to stop you from declaring war; it's too late for that. And I've probably lost the game, with the nation of France divided up between Switzerland, Spain, Netherlands, and England in what promises to be the most unrealistic and improbable conquest of a nation I've ever seen in any game. And Why? Because you wanted land. And because you want it, you take it. Which just happens to be the total opposite of how international diplomacy worked in the 17th Century, with the formation of the Westphalian System of International Relations affirming the sovereignty of the state and nation.
So that's it then; my prophecy is written here. It will be fulfilled, because the motives and lack of understanding which have led to France's demise will lead to yours as well.
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Its logical because people realy hate it when you try to pick on the little guy, attacking little switzerland after it has finally gathered the courage to take a step out of it's mountains makes you look like more of an expansionistic evil empire than I do.
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hey i haven't declared war on you.
all of my land grabs have been through diplomacy and fair rights.
RP, psh if i was role playing i wouldn't be expanding at all. id try to survive not win as we are supposed to. what you did was very anti- rp as well.
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So you are admitting you are an expansionist evil empire?
To France you are missing the point. Brinkmanship is all well and good, but only when you have the muscle to back it up
I have only reacted in this game, never acted on my own. I do not JUST want land, but when I see a situation where by not acting I am going to lose both influence and power then I am going to do something about it. You tipped my hand by getting the whole world to declare war on you.
The problem is you are seeing this as history trying to repeat itself, something that after the first round I threw away as a logical way to play the game. When you have the swiss conquering a ton of land in one round then you can not expect to be successful by playing as France historically would. Trying to bring historical claims into the game was foolish and lost you Saxony as a possible ally.
You took an ally, the Swiss, who had bought the Spanish area in France and was willing to hand it over as a show of good faith, and you invaded them.
This has already shown itself to not be the thirty year war, and I am not going to get bogged down and lose simply because of that.
This game can not at all show the intricacies of European politics at the time, I mean minor nations are there to take with no repercussions! Because of that you can not expect real world politics to win the day here.
Also, I was quite afraid YOU would become the rising power. Savoy gave its lands to you and then you thought to attack switzerland? gah! Am I supposed to let you gain such large amounts of land when you are so near by? Spain may be tough, but we are all pretty much united in saying if he does anything funny then we will curb stomp him into last century. He is on thin ice and he knows it. THat is why he is allowed such freedom.
I have done my best to RP this game, but this game has gone in a very different direction, and where I had originally thought to stay out of war and play a diplomat, I can see that will end in my own destruction. You forced my hand,
Good luck though, I will be impressed if you can come out of this alive.
You have forgotten the Northern Alliance France, which I am pretty sure would help me and the Netherlands kick Spain to the Curb.
But that is about all I have to say.
(BTW, No Offense Spain, I am pretty sure you already know this anyway. Also No Offense to Ibn, this game is already insanely complicated. No game could EVER come close to showing European Politics as it was back then, by my eyes you have done a Darn good Job. )
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^ yeah what he said.
and maybe this could all have been avoided if you hadn't antagonized me over s. germany
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As an OOC matter, it has been a pleasure hurling playful diplomatic barbs back and forth with you, Subotan. That, more than the actual war, has been interesting to me, and what I derive the most joy from in these games. I hope you don't feel unwelcome or picked on in any sort of out-of-character way.
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yes it is really the best part of these games. that and getting to plot out my moves on a map.
i really like writing up diplomatic deals as everyone who has been involved with me has seen
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As do I. Hopefully after this war is over we can get back to those simpler times.
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I hope you at least don't mention how MUCH I paid you...
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fine ill stop gobbling up land like its mad eout of cookie dough.......for now
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I want to hear the Rules behind Making Protectorates are.
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No offence taken CDF.
Well I dont know about you guys but I think it is time to be thinking about sorting out our demands should france decide to surrender. I'm thinking that his army should be castrated, say he's only allowed one army of five units and cannot recruit mecenaries. These will be voided if he's attacked by someone else of course but I think that is a good way to make sure he doesnt go on a rampage again. Oh and we are going to have to make sure that all the land he didnt have before the war goes to Switzerland Savoy becomes a seperate state again and, say, 3 hexes from each region is surrendered to the neigbouring side as compensation for making us waste our men's lives on him and to make sure he cant use the regions bonus' against us.
Last edited by Greyblades; 11-24-2009 at 02:09.
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i think its all up to the player cdf. one of the best parts of this game. and i think i know what you are planning......... heehee
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I am afraid I am much, much more heavily invested in this war, perhaps more than anyone else. I have debts to pay and such. I cannot stand for France to exist as a state unless I am fully compensated for my war costs, which are beyond extensive.
I also will not declare peace without the southeast third of France under Swiss protection. That's the price of conflict... a buffer zone. And not a neutral one either.
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everything good about that blades except the savoy thing. we need a new player for that. i say we either give it to swiss or we need a new player.
this plan sounds eerily like the treaty of versailles. *cough ww2 is coming cough*
i know im not in the war but at the end plenty of saxon soldiers will have died......
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I dont know what you mean.
No seriously I have no idea what you think I am planning, I think just castrating his army and splittiing his land is a pretty good plan as it is.
Last edited by Greyblades; 11-24-2009 at 02:18.
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Enlighten me.
I personally think you guys should smash his head into oblivion, but then that wouldn't leave an opportunity for him to retaliate, and you better believe that I'll be looking forward to that!
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greyblades that was directed a cdf's post not at you.
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Maybe we should work it out by PM and see what France thinks about not dieing. He may fight to the death after all, although I would prefer to not have to destroy him. I think Me, You, Atpg, and Beskar should start talking about what we are going to do. I gave the Swiss some money, but I don't need that back. We can work out compensations among ourselves.
but, We might want to see if France even wants to talk terms.
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you will have to want to do some sort of diplomacy with me than as all of my agreements are confidential.Enlighten me.
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You could always replace their names with X. I'd really just like an example. You've piqued my intereset.
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I gave the swiss 10 grand I sure as heck want that back.
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I would be happy to assist the Swiss in paying back their debts if they have gone the way of a more peaceful solution. At least in part, not in whole
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