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    Festival of mass animal sacrifice begins in Nepal

    By GEMUNU AMARASINGHE (AP)

    BARIYAPUR, Nepal — The ceremony began with prayers in a temple by tens of thousands of Hindus before dawn Tuesday. Then it shifted to a nearby corral, where in the cold morning mist, scores of butchers wielding curved swords began slaughtering buffalo calves by hacking off their heads.
    Over two days, 200,000 buffaloes, goats, chickens and pigeons will be killed as part of a blood-soaked festival held every five years to honor Gadhimai, a Hindu goddess of power.
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    While cows are sacred and protected by law in Nepal, animal sacrifice has a long history in this overwhelmingly Hindu country and parts of neighboring India. The Bariyapur festival has become so big, in part, because such ceremonies have been banned in many areas in the neighboring Indian state of Bihar.

    And while it is criticized by animal-rights protesters, the festival is defended as a centuries-old tradition.

    Many Nepalis believe that sacrifices in Gadhimai's honor will bring them prosperity. They also believe that by eating the meat, which is taken back to their villages and consumed during feasts, they will be protected from evil.

    Taranath Gautam, the top government official in the area, estimated that more than 200,000 people had come for the ceremony in Bariyapur, some 100 kilometers (60 miles) from Katmandu. Some brought their own animals to sacrifice.

    "I am here with my mother who had promised the goddess she would sacrifice a goat. It was her wish and promise and I am glad we were able to fulfill it," said Pramod Das, a farmer from the nearby village of Sarlahi. "I believe now my mother's wishes will come true."

    Animal rights groups don't have much power in Nepal, but they have staged repeated protests in recent weeks. Local news reports say some activists set up stands in towns on the way to the Bariyapur temple, offering Hindu pilgrims coconuts and other fruits to sacrifice instead of animals.
    There was no sign of them Tuesday.

    "We were unable to stop the animal sacrifices this year but we will continue our campaign to stop killings during this festival," said Pramada Shah of the group Animals Nepal.

    The ceremony, which goes back for generations, has enormous resonance in a country where per capital income is about $25 a month, illiteracy is widespread and vast social divides have left millions working as tenant farmers for feudal landlords.

    Even many educated Nepalis see value in the tradition. Om Prasad, a banker from the nearby city of Birgunj, brought offerings of fruit and flowers to the festival, but said he believed people should be able to sacrifice animals if they want. "It is their tradition and it is fine if they continue to follow it. No one should try to tell them they can't follow what their ancestors did," he said.

    Experts say it will take many more years before there are changes in these deeply rooted traditions. "They continue these animal sacrifice rituals because they believe it is a tradition that can't be broken," said Ram Bahadur Chetri, an anthropology professor at Katmandu's Tribhuwan University. "The people who follow these traditions believe that if they discontinue, then the gods will get angry and there could be catastrophe in the country."
    Buffaloes, goats, chicken and ducks are sacrificed at most Hindu homes in Nepal during the Dasain festivals, which fell in September this year.


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    The name on everyone’s lips on Tuesday, when the slaughter of buffaloes started, was that of Raman Thakur, a farmer from Sitamarhi in Bihar who sacrificed 105 buffaloes to show his gratitude. The goddess, Thakur said, had answered the prayer he had made five years ago by granting him a son.

    Men, women and children poured in from Bihar, most of them carrying kid goats and roosters, many of which had been smuggled across the porous Indo-Nepal border, bypassing the few Nepali quarantine posts. “My son Vishnu has been ill for years and can’t walk,” said Kalaiya Devi, pointing to a severely malnourished child in her arms whose legs looked like matchsticks. “I am going to sacrifice a pigeon now and come back with a buffalo at the next fair if the goddess gives him the strength to walk.”
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    I eat meat, and I have little illusions about the treatment and slaughter of the animals I eat. Even so, there is something very unsettling about this mass sacrificial slaughter.
    200000 buffalo and other animals slaughtered for the grace of imaginary gods.
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    Never knew about this, yeah this is sick no free pass from here this has to stop I don´t care about their imaginary friends this has no purpose at all.

    edit, this is really horrible, good luck respecting it.
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    not so much respect or lack thereof, because sacrificing to imaginary gods seem daft, but given that they supposedly eat it all afterwards; lack of interest.

    it they were dumping it all afterwards i'd be the first to yell; "muppets", but they aren't, so i won't.
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    This has been done ever since the dawn of mankind. It's the same as saying "Hey look, humans kill other humans! Oh, the shock!"
    BLARGH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    not so much respect or lack thereof, because sacrificing to imaginary gods seem daft, but given that they supposedly eat it all afterwards; lack of interest.

    it they were dumping it all afterwards i'd be the first to yell; "muppets", but they aren't, so i won't.
    You are right but I still have swine flue and I am currently in consequence emotionally unstable.

    I like animals.

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    I'm sorry but I don't see anything wrong with it, i mean, they eat the meat afterwards, is normal cattle, feed and breed with the purpose of eat it in the end, slaughtering them all together or one on one doesn't do any difference. Religion, tradition, I don't care, many of you eat turkey for thanksgiving others ham in Christmas, do you stop to think about the turkey/pig slaughter, do you think it is any better? Yes images are gruesome as in any industrialized meat factory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    I'm sorry but I don't see anything wrong with it, i mean, they eat the meat afterwards, is normal cattle, feed and breed with the purpose of eat it in the end, slaughtering them all together or one on one doesn't do any difference. Religion, tradition, I don't care, many of you eat turkey for thanksgiving others ham in Christmas, do you stop to think about the turkey/pig slaughter, do you think it is any better? Yes images are gruesome as in any industrialized meat factory.
    Mass, unorganised, slaughter by beheading is different to ordered execution with a bolt gun.
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    No price is too high to keep the gods happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Mass, unorganised, slaughter by beheading is different to ordered execution with a bolt gun.
    this is Nepal*.

    $20 dollars a day
    life expectancy of around 45
    little fellows in Mao jackets and machetes who still believe communism wasn't a stupid idea

    i don't think they are too concerned about the method of killing.

    besides, if you had heard stories about what british mega-abatoirs are like you would not be so gung-ho to criticise these guys!


    * not tibet as originally mis-stated, same difference tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Mass, unorganised, slaughter by beheading is different to ordered execution with a bolt gun.
    Trust the Space Marines to keep a slaughter organized.


    This week is the end of probably the largest animal slaughter in the western world. By beheading. So I don't really see a problem with what the Hindus are doing, the meat is being eaten. To condemn this a day before saying grace over a dead turkey would be the height of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Mass, unorganised, slaughter by beheading is different to ordered execution with a bolt gun.
    Have you seen such gun in action?

    So now is a matter of organization? not about religion? Animals suffer, one way or another they always do, so the difference is in meat factories there are methods to reduce that suffering... right because companies care to much about their product suffering...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    this is tibet.

    $20 dollars a day
    life expectancy of around 45
    little fellows in Mao jackets and machetes who still believe communism wasn't a stupid idea

    i don't think they are too concerned about the method of killing.

    besides, if you had heard stories about what british mega-abatoirs are like you would not be so gung-ho to criticise these guys!
    Did you even read it? It's Nepal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lars573 View Post
    Did you even read it? It's Nepal.
    my bad, slip of the toungue.

    same applies, given that is what i meant anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla View Post
    Mass, unorganised, slaughter by beheading is different to ordered execution with a bolt gun.
    But this doesn't actually say anything.

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    Mmmm, goat! I wanted to be there!

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    I have a feeling that the whole "we eat them all" argument is a little over stated. That's a lot of animals to transport, skin, butcher and refrigerate before the meat goes bad. But then again, it's Nepal, and stank meat may be in fashion. One could make a killing getting a butcher license and moving to nepal for the week just to take advantage of this free meat.

    I bet a lot of them are left to rot and tossed out and never touched for food.

    I don't care either way, I hate cows. And the Gods.
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    I don't see what's wrong with it. The animals aren't killed in inhuman fashion ie. they aren't made to suffer and the meat is eaten afterward. Since eating the meat is allowed, I really doubt it is left to rot afterward in a country where average salary is 25$.

    As drone said, how many millions of turkeys are slaughtered in the US every year for thanksgiving? Just because it is done industrially doesn't make it different.

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    Exactly. In a world where humans get slaughtered like cattle, animals and their problems need to take a back seat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    I don't see what's wrong with it. The animals aren't killed in inhuman fashion ie. they aren't made to suffer and the meat is eaten afterward. Since eating the meat is allowed, I really doubt it is left to rot afterward in a country where average salary is 25$.

    As drone said, how many millions of turkeys are slaughtered in the US every year for thanksgiving? Just because it is done industrially doesn't make it different.
    Well, I wouldn't call chasing terrified calves around and hacking them to death with machetes while the other calves watch humane. What really strikes me as odd is all the people who gather to watch it. I love my cheeseburgers, but I've never had an inkling to stop by the alughterhouse to spectate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump View Post
    Well, I wouldn't call chasing terrified calves around and hacking them to death with machetes while the other calves watch humane.
    You mean other calves may develop emotional issues later on?

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Robert Dump View Post
    What really strikes me as odd is all the people who gather to watch it. I love my cheeseburgers, but I've never had an inkling to stop by the alughterhouse to spectate.
    Neither have I, but let's remember this isn't done for fun but as a religious ritual.

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    I thought it looks like fun. Must be the mood I'm in.
    Finally a way to slaughter through hundreds of bodies without ending up in jail.
    If they eat them afterwards I don't see what the outrage is about, there may be more humane ways to do it but then the (for those people) very real gods would probably not be pleased.

    Would you want to displease the gods?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    You mean other calves may develop emotional issues later on?



    Neither have I, but let's remember this isn't done for fun but as a religious ritual.
    Calves that watch other cows being slaughtered grow up with a horde of emotional issue which make them more likely to be calve molesters, thieves and abusive bulls.
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    Ever wonder what society could create Gurkhas?

    If any animal is going to die by a group that has competent knife work it would have to be in Nepal.

    In NZ cattle on farms are shot whilst sheep have their throats slit (can remember seeing that at age four). Bit different in Abattoirs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarmatian View Post
    Neither have I, but let's remember this isn't done for fun but as a religious ritual.
    So? Doesn't make it any less silly and/or disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meneldil View Post
    So? Doesn't make it any less silly and/or disgusting.
    I doubt they are disgusted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papewaio View Post
    Ever wonder what society could create Gurkhas?

    If any animal is going to die by a group that has competent knife work it would have to be in Nepal.

    In NZ cattle on farms are shot whilst sheep have their throats slit (can remember seeing that at age four). Bit different in Abattoirs...
    i was about five when i watched a pig gets its throat slit in africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    Have you seen such gun in action?
    I have, done a lot of business with slaughterhouses, also kosher and halal. I know a shooting pin looks horrible but the animal is instantly braindead, they shake violently but they are already gone. People should be complaining about transportation instead, that is cruel, the actual butchering, not so much. Everything is cleaned afterwards, they have no idea what's going on and then it's over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meneldil View Post
    So? Doesn't make it any less silly and/or disgusting.
    Well, considering silly, in my opinion everything related to religion is silly, which doesn't mean other people shouldn't practice their religious customs.

    Disgusting is too strong a word. Distasteful would be more appropriate.

    It's still true however that:
    1) those are clean kills
    2) the meat is eaten afterward

    So it's just like a slaughterhouse but outside.
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    To be honest, I don't actually care. Although I would never hurt an animal out of maliciouness, this doesn't raise the slightest bit of emotion in me.

    Why? Because there are plenty of examples of humans suffering much worse circumstances than these bloody cows. Animal rights is a non-issue, and should remain so until every human being on the planet has freedom from want and freedom from fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riedquat View Post
    Have you seen such gun in action?

    So now is a matter of organization? not about religion? Animals suffer, one way or another they always do, so the difference is in meat factories there are methods to reduce that suffering... right because companies care to much about their product suffering...
    Actually, we only slaughter by fours here, and we usually use an iron hammer.
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