Netherworld II [Concluded]

[Andres]

For what it's worth, I think TinCows' dead has more to do with the sportsmanship thingy then YLC being mafia and taking one down when lynched, which would be very unusual.

This probably means that the information provided by YLC was correct, but obtained through a rule violation.

Well, I could reveal the investigator's actual results, but I am not sure Khaan would allow that. Suffice it to say - you rank higher, based upon how results are given, then any protown role, yet lower then neutrals, such as me. All those who fall into your power bandwidth are capable of killing, meaning your Lamia.

The following people had roles that the investigator is aware of -

Atheotes
Beskar
Chaotix
Diamondeye
TinCow
Yaropolk
YLC

The following do not have a power role, and are alive

Double A
pevergreen
Andres

Also, TC knows of all the investigation results, as I shared them with him, and he confirm. It's not my fault none of you will believe, you'll only have to blame it upon yourselves.

Of all the people with "power roles", only Beskar is still alive.

Maybe Sigurd is indeed on to something. Sasaki, why do you ignore the fact that there are very good reasons to lynch Beskar, namely an investigation result?

johnhughtom can wait, Beskar is a better option.

Unvote : johnhughtom; Vote : Beskar

[Beskar]

I doubt we fully understand what happened there. Somehow TinCow came to the knowledge of some game-breaking information and had to be removed from the game together with YLC, who in fact was very confident at your guilt and then later voted himself for some "behind the scene" reason.

Again... assumptions.
My take on that event was that TinCow could not continue in the game and was removed. I doubt it was YLC's last act of defiance.

Anyway, continuing on, there is the fact there are currently 2 Mafia in the game, and not one. So even hypotheoticially, your argument is correct, the game would still not end with the death of Lamia. Though, from what I know, these two Mafia are on a seperate team and most likely, these two Mafia are trying to kill eachother off as they are the biggest threat to eachother. One mafia is the one who recruits people, as you saw in a write-up a couple of days ago, the other mafia, as you all know is Lamia.

Sasaki, why do you ignore the fact that there are very good reasons to lynch Beskar, namely a FALSE investigation result?

The change makes it self-explanatory.

[Andres]

The change makes it self-explanatory.

False?

Why would YLC offer himself up for a lynching because he broke the rules?

Why did TinCow die during YLC's lynch scene while there was no reason for him to be WoG'ed, and all that right after he mentioned something about a general Gameroom rule being broken?

Because of posting made up fake investigation results? Very, very unlikely.

Those investigation results must be genuine.

How those results got into the thread may be questionable, but they're here, available and I don't see a reason to question those investigation results.

Now, if you were a pro-town power role, you could already have pm'ed me and I would have let this rest and turn to someone else. You didn't. You claimed the results were false. I'm inclined to believe that you do so, because you're not on the towns' side.

My vote stays where it is.

[Beskar]

How those results got into the thread may be questionable, but they're here, available and I don't see a reason to question those investigation results.

Now, if you were a pro-town power role, you could already have pm'ed me and I would have let this rest and turn to someone else. You didn't. You claimed the results were false. I'm inclined to believe that you do so, because you're not on the towns' side.

My vote stays where it is.

Investigation result was before YLC voted himself and before TinCow said YLC was scum.
Timing makes all the difference. The rule violation and sportmanship issues came after the arguments when YLC was trying to survive. When YLC gave himself up, he dropped all the arguments and the issues.

Also, if I was a pro-town role, why would I PM you? That is scummy in itself. Only some one scummy would try to lie out about being a pro-town role to cover themselves, infact, it is far easier for me to claim pro-town role using the results. However, I believe in the truth, you should know this already from YLC's other game. I claimed using the results in the town I was a confirmed townie when I was, even then, people seemed to magically not believe it. So don't blame me when I think you are just after an easy lynch, as you said in your quicktopic in that game.

[Andres]

Investigation result was before YLC voted himself and before TinCow said YLC was scum.
Timing makes all the difference. The rule violation and sportmanship issues came after the arguments when YLC was trying to survive. When YLC gave himself up, he dropped all the arguments and the issues.

Also, if I was a pro-town role, why would I PM you? That is scummy in itself. Only some one scummy would try to lie out about being a pro-town role to cover themselves, infact, it is far easier for me to claim pro-town role using the results. However, I believe in the truth, you should know this already from YLC's other game. I claimed using the results in the town I was a confirmed townie when I was, even then, people seemed to magically not believe it. So don't blame me when I think you are just after an easy lynch, as you said in your quicktopic in that game.

Attack is the best defense, hm?

Why are you trying to discredit me by stating that I'm going for an easy lynch?

Voting Sigurd now and next round johnhughtom without much comment would be far easier if that would be what I'm after.

My viewpoint is valid, your viewpoint is less valid; there's no need for you to add a few lines in an attempt at throwing suspicion at me.

You're starting to smell fishy.

[Beskar]

Attack is the best defense, hm?

Sasaki taught me that in the early days, as I used to defend myself, but for some reason, that was classed as more scummy and got my constantly lynched as a townie.

[Andres]

Sasaki taught me that in the early days, as I used to defend myself, but for some reason, that was classed as more scummy and got my constantly lynched as a townie.

I suggest we change that pattern and make sure that in this game, it gets you lynched as a mafioso...

[Joooray]

johnhughtom can wait, Beskar is a better option.

Unvote : johnhughtom; Vote : Beskar

I second that motion. So Unvote : johnhughtom ; Vote: Beskar.

I strongly urge everybody who is town to change there vote from Sigurd, he is has been cleared of being Lamia by TC in a previous night. I can not assure you that Beskar is indeed mafia, but Sigurd most likely is not.

[Joooray]

Oh I forgot my tally:

Sigurd: 4 (Beskar, johnhughthom, Thermal Mercury, Double A)
Beskar: 3 (Sigurd, Andres, Joooray)
Johnhughthom: 1 (Psychonaut)

[pevergreen]

Vote: Beskar

[naut]

Hmmm. Beskar tweeked me last round. I'm inclined to change my vote. Just to clear up all this TinCow-YLC-Beskar business and allow the game to progress.

Unvote; Vote: Beskar

I'm still slightly torn though. To Beskar or not to Beskar. That is the question.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.

[A1_Unit]

vote:A1_Unit What?!?! I'm not dead yet! I order you to lynch or kill me!!!!

[Beskar]

Yeah, like imaginary business for the game to process, which magically wasn't here earlier untill this scum bandwagon started by Sigurd.

Don't worry, game isn't ending with my death.

[naut]

Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.

Some input from the dead would be useful.

Yeah, like imaginary business for the game to process, which magically wasn't here earlier untill this scum bandwagon started by Sigurd.

Uh... actually three days ago you tweeked my gut:

Some input from the dead would be useful. Beskar looks pretty suspect, as he was overly emotional in his posts yesterday. And johnhugthom is trying to dodge the spotlight.

Just a quick note. Beskar is very emotional in his posts either defending himself, or attacking YLC. He is rather eager to shift the focus from himself to YLC. It may be nothing, it may be something. But, it sends out some bad joo-joo.

[Beskar]

Uh... actually three days ago you tweeked my gut:

Can't blame bad reasoning which has been defuted many times before, even in the game before which ended. But hey, good game Mafia. With a cheap tactic like that, you are bound to win.


Ask Andres, he even said it as a Mafia in YLC's game. The "Play Beskar as Scum-card", it always works.

[TinCow]

Maybe psychonaut should be the next to go, that's two scummy posts this round.

Psychonaut is not Lamia. I cannot comment on whether he is a role beyond that, but he is definitely not Lamia. YLC targeted him on a night when Lamia was active, and Lamia did not appear in an illusion.

[Beskar]

Psychonaut is not Lamia. I cannot comment on whether he is a role beyond that, but he is definitely not Lamia. YLC targeted him on a night when Lamia was active, and Lamia did not appear in an illusion.

So he is the other Mafia then? Better than a townie (me) getting lynched.

unvote: Sigurd; vote: Psychonaut

[TinCow]

So he is the other Mafia then?

All I said was that he was not Lamia. That was conclusively established by YLC before he got recruited. I have no evidence that can be discussed regarding the identity of any mafioso role beyond Lamia.

[Andres]

So he is the other Mafia then? Better than a townie (me) getting lynched.

unvote: Sigurd; vote: Psychonaut

You're quick to jump to conclusions, aren't you?

TinCow only said that Psychonaut is not Lamia. And what's this talk about "the other Mafia"? Do you know something we don't?

[Thermal]

unvote
vote: psychonaut

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Do we still have to lynch hades?

[Beskar]

You're quick to jump to conclusions, aren't you?

TinCow only said that Psychonaut is not Lamia. And what's this talk about "the other Mafia"? Do you know something we don't?

No, but I am actually paying attention to the game and I am getting lynched while you are flying blind. To quote TinCow:

That was conclusively established by YLC before he got recruited.

Aka, YLC was recruited, which occured a couple of days ago, if you remember. The recruiter in the write-up was saying he was warring with both the good gods (which would be Garuka, most likely) and the bad gods (which is Laima) to destroy them both, and the humans (normal town).

As I said earlier, there is a 3 way battle between Garuka, Laima and this super evil overlord which I guessed might be a Titan in Greek Mythology or something different. Whatever it is, it is a big threat to the town.

The game will end when two of these roles die. Which I said previously.

TinCow has shared some of the information with me int he course of the game. Hence why I know about Garuka, which was the doctor protecting him. (I might have spelt that name wrong, forgive me).

These are things I said before, then funnily enough, I give out this information to head the town, and I end up with a bandwagon on me. Do you think that is more than a coindence? No, I am being silenced since I am a threat.

As for the whole YLC-TinCow thing, the third link isn't "Beskar", I don't who it is, but it is the person "the other mafia" which is a threat.

This theory hasn't been confirmed, but YLC was working closely with TinCow, untill he got recruited by this other mafia. YLC, being very angry over this, told TinCow who it was, for TinCow to deal with. For obvious reasons, this is within the rules, but very unsportmanship. The idea was for TinCow to reveal who this mafia is so they get lynched, and hopefully YLC gets freed of his control. This is why YLC ended up quitting and why TinCow acted weird.

Through gut instinct, I suspected YLC was the converted which is why I voted for him, as it was clear he was a "neutral" and on the day TinCow revealed YLC. That night, he gets magically converted, hence why I put 1+1 together. Then YLC tried to prevent his lynch by putting a case against me, and luckily failed and as the scum he became, he was luckily lynched for the sake of the town.


As for TinCow's post, I read that as possibly meaning Psychonaut is "the other mafia". TinCow never said "Sigurd isn't Lamia" or "Johnhughthom isn't Lamia", as if there was a valid investigation result, he would actually know who Lamia is, thus can reveal. However, he doesn't, but he does know who "isn't Lamia" if they are the other possible role.

Thus...

See?

[Double A]

unvote, vote: Beskar

I'm going to have to reread all that, but Beskar seems more guilty right now. Maybe that'll chance after reviewing all that.

[Andres]

EDIT: @Beskar

Lynching you won't silence you

I could be wrong and I'll apologise after the game if it turns out you were a townie, but I have no reason to doubt the investigation results posted. You claim townie, which is impossible considering those results.

You're the most obvious choice to lynch today as you are a known power role, still alive and your counterclaim is impossible.

To be honest: whatever you say won't make me change my mind.

[Beskar]

You're the most obvious choice to lynch today as you are a known power role, still alive and your counterclaim is impossible.

Yet the fundamental point still remains: It wasn't a real investigation.

In the words of the pro-town:

I have no evidence that can be discussed regarding the identity of any mafioso role beyond Lamia.

TinCow can REVEAL Lamia
Thus, if I was Lamia, all TinCow has to say is "Beskar is Lamia".

Seriously, it is not even funny. Why wouldn't TinCow know these magical pro-town investigation results?


Anyway, updated that earlier post.

[Double A]

After reading the last page or so I have come to the following conclusion:

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Calm down Beskar! Jez you're acting like lynching you will bring on the freaking nuclear apocalypse!

You're either the doctor or mafia, and there's a 2/3 chance you're anti-town so my vote stays, for now.

[Beskar]

After reading the last page or so I have come to the following conclusion:

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Calm down Beskar! Jez you're acting like lynching you will bring on the freaking nuclear apocalypse!

You're either the doctor or mafia, and there's a 2/3 chance you're anti-town so my vote stays, for now.

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No, I am annoyed at peoples.... "inability".

I always get annoyed when this happens, see Creeping Darkness where YLC reveals I am a confirmed innocent townie and I almost got lynched. I was furious then as well.

Since I am dead anyway, I will leave you with this, though it would most likely go unheeded and people will fail miserably.

If anyone claims investigator, lynch them, lynch them and don't doubt it. That is your Mafia.

[Sigurd]

As I said earlier, there is a 3 way battle between Garuka, Laima and this super evil overlord which I guessed might be a Titan in Greek Mythology or something different. Whatever it is, it is a big threat to the town.

Wait... So you have information that there are presently 3 power roles left?

This theory hasn't been confirmed, but YLC was working closely with TinCow, untill he got recruited by this other mafia. YLC, being very angry over this, told TinCow who it was, for TinCow to deal with. For obvious reasons, this is within the rules, but very unsportmanship. The idea was for TinCow to reveal who this mafia is so they get lynched, and hopefully YLC gets freed of his control. This is why YLC ended up quitting and why TinCow acted weird.

Through gut instinct, I suspected YLC was the converted which is why I voted for him, as it was clear he was a "neutral" and on the day TinCow revealed YLC. That night, he gets magically converted, hence why I put 1+1 together. Then YLC tried to prevent his lynch by putting a case against me, and luckily failed and as the scum he became, he was luckily lynched for the sake of the town.

As for TinCow's post, I read that as possibly meaning Psychonaut is "the other mafia". TinCow never said "Sigurd isn't Lamia" or "Johnhughthom isn't Lamia", as if there was a valid investigation result, he would actually know who Lamia is, thus can reveal. However, he doesn't, but he does know who "isn't Lamia" if they are the other possible role.

Right so YLC - TinCow - w&f wasn't all involved in the conversion thing?
But if you aren't the snake woman - then who are you?
TinCow shared info with you -Why? It implies a role for him to trust you.
You are about to be lynched. Lay all your cards on the table.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

After reading the last page or so I have come to the following conclusion:



Calm down Beskar! Jez you're acting like lynching you will bring on the freaking nuclear apocalypse!

You're either the doctor or mafia, and there's a 2/3 chance you're anti-town so my vote stays, for now.

But this is exactly what we need more of, vigorous argument. You can't catch the mafioso when everyone just drops in and says "Vote:so and so because I find them to be most suspicious right now". It's kind of boring too.