Question about a Unit attribute

[vartan]

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Don't get me wrong, I switch my cavalry to secondaries as well. I'm just saying that the high lethality lances are the best against horses or TABs at the cataphract level of armor.

I tend to avoid sending my heavy cav to fight AI opponent heavy cav (though I have no qualms about it in MP, if I can ever figure out how to use hamachi) because heavy cav tend to have high armounts of armor. With armor halved (by AI default lances) they can be comparable to some medium cavalry like Tarabostes. IMO I'd prefer to preserve my heavy cavalry for use against stationary general units or heavy infantry/pikes and let axemen and Dahae deal with cataphract cavalry. High skill dampens the deadly effect of AP, and on top of all they're much much cheaper than heavy cav or other cataphract cav.

I don't have any fast units able to take their charge however, but a slight skirmish from the charge usually changes "charging" to "pursuing" and makes them much easier to deal with a split second later....

That and I don't trust any pikemen without axes to deal with cataphract cavalry. None at all. Pantodapoi Phalangitai and Machimoi are probably the only pikemen I use when facing off against that sort of cavalry. I learned my lesson the hard way when the Baktrian BG caused huge casualties to my Agryspides but got slaughtered mainly by my Pantodapoi Phalangitai right next to the Agryspides. Both took significant casualties but one was cheaper and much easier to replace....

What's this TAB abbreviation I keep hearing? and Hamachi is simple enough, but limiting and restraining. Tunngle is not working at the moment, it's not on our side. Refer to my post here to learn more about Wippien. I used to think it was a Hamachi clone but I did my homework. We need people to get themselves signed into that and add each other (we'll be forming a list of people with Wippien accounts) {off-topic, but just replying to your Hamachi note}.

[WinsingtonIII]

What's this TAB abbreviation I keep hearing?

TAB is just short hand for the Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou (Hellenic Elite Spearmen) of the Arche Seleukia, you know (I'm sure you already do), the extraordinarily heavily armored elite spearmen draped in chain mail. I believe Grade A Beef was merely referencing them as an example of an extremely heavily armored unit against which high lethality lances are the most effective cavalry weapon as opposed to secondaries.

[Grade_A_Beef]

Yeah, just units that rely overmuch on armor, although that of course is not a bad thing.

In any case I managed to find the thread. I'd love to do testing myself, but yeah....I need to understand how Hamachi works, as I'm not really proficient with computers.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...aphract&page=3

[vartan]

TAB is just short hand for the Thorakitai Agematos Basilikou (Hellenic Elite Spearmen) of the Arche Seleukia, you know (I'm sure you already do), the extraordinarily heavily armored elite spearmen draped in chain mail. I believe Grade A Beef was merely referencing them as an example of an extremely heavily armored unit against which high lethality lances are the most effective cavalry weapon as opposed to secondaries.

I can imagine how the lethality would come in handy (even if it's half attack, it's more than double lethality, but a bit slower, all in all perhaps a BIT better). TABs are a *****.

Yeah, just units that rely overmuch on armor, although that of course is not a bad thing.

In any case I managed to find the thread. I'd love to do testing myself, but yeah....I need to understand how Hamachi works, as I'm not really proficient with computers.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...aphract&page=3

Don't limit yourself. Do your homework, and help us out.

[ziegenpeter]

I still can't believe it! I always thought mace, axe and kopis were best against tanks. So you actually should only switch to it when when fighting lighter foes?

[vartan]

I still can't believe it! I always thought mace, axe and kopis were best against tanks. So you actually should only switch to it when when fighting lighter foes?

No, switch to it when fighting humans online as a form of consistency, historicity, etiquette, courtesy, respect, and because RTW doesn't automatically switch to secondaries (I've heard M2TW automatically switches to secondaries, so EBII should solve this issue for those who still want to bend the unwritten law.)

[HunGeneral]

I've heard M2TW automatically switches to secondaries, so EBII should solve this issue for those who still want to bend the unwritten law.

I can't confirm it for sure, but I think it is so - atleast in my experience on MedII the cavalry always switch to there secondary arms in battle (even Knights and other heavy cavalry - even if there charge isn't succesful they unshed there swords if locked up in meele.)

[vartan]

I can't confirm it for sure, but I think it is so - atleast in my experience on MedII the cavalry always switch to there secondary arms in battle (even Knights and other heavy cavalry - even if there charge isn't succesful they unshed there swords if locked up in meele.)

That's good, and I hope they die easier when trying to retreat for another charge...RTW is ridiculous sometimes.

[ziegenpeter]

No, switch to it when fighting humans online as a form of consistency, historicity, etiquette, courtesy, respect, and because RTW doesn't automatically switch to secondaries (I've heard M2TW automatically switches to secondaries, so EBII should solve this issue for those who still want to bend the unwritten law.)

Well but in campaign, if I'd seek for efficiency...?

[vartan]

Well but in campaign, if I'd seek for efficiency...?

In campaign stick to the lance for cryin' out loud man. Give the AI a good beating it deserves.