The Whore of Babylon

**Lemur** · 03-13-2010, 16:44

I think the moral of this story is that we all would have been a great deal better off if the Revelation of John had been classified as Apocrypha. And if someone had smothered Nostradamus in the crib, while we're at it.

**Cute Wolf** · 03-13-2010, 17:00

Originally Posted by Lemur

I think the moral of this story is that we all would have been a great deal better off if the Revelation of John had been classified as Apocrypha. And if someone had smothered Nostradamus in the crib, while we're at it.

Hope Armageddon comes more than 1000 years from now... amen.....

**bobbin** · 03-13-2010, 17:31

Originally Posted by Lemur

I think the moral of this story is that we all would have been a great deal better off if the Revelation of John had been classified as Apocrypha. And if someone had smothered Nostradamus in the crib, while we're at it.

It was consider that by some of the early chruch leaders, shame it never stuck.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-13-2010, 22:39

Originally Posted by Lemur

I think the moral of this story is that we all would have been a great deal better off if the Revelation of John had been classified as Apocrypha. And if someone had smothered Nostradamus in the crib, while we're at it.

Quite. Luthor was inclined to agree, and so am I. Given that the Revelation is anti-Calvinistic I can only imagine that Calvin kept it in to scare people. It's worth noting that Revelation doesn't say any of the things it's commonly thought to say, the number of the Beast is not even certain, it could be 616!

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-13-2010, 23:14

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

And yet it will all still be wrong as its all rubbish try and paint people as minions for the Anti-Christ all you want it wont change the fact there is no GOD.

No reply regarding what we were actually talking about? Nice diversion, but that's another thread for another time. Note that the OP was specifically adressed to Catholics and those for whom the scripture is of some significance.

Originally Posted by Yaseikhaan

Alright, let's say you're right, and that the Roman Catholic church is the whore of Babylon. And....? What do we draw from this? Something we're supposed to actually do?

Fear the Lord? Now you mention it, I have no idea lol. I might make a video for my family so they know what to do if they miss the rapture.

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Quite. Luthor was inclined to agree, and so am I. Given that the Revelation is anti-Calvinistic I can only imagine that Calvin kept it in to scare people. It's worth noting that Revelation doesn't say any of the things it's commonly thought to say, the number of the Beast is not even certain, it could be 616!

I'm familiar with Luthers changing views on the scripture, but what maketh ye say that Revelation is anti-Calvinistic? Also, I know your position on the scripture, but if you try to look at it from the perspective of someone who believed it was all inspired (without necessarily being a literalist), how would you interpret it? I still think the historicist position is a perfectly reasonable one to take, despite the outrage it draws due to how perceptions of the RCC have change since the idea was first formulated during the Reformation.

**Philippus Flavius Homovallumus** · 03-13-2010, 23:20

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

I'm familiar with Luthers changing views on the scripture, but what maketh ye say that Revelation is anti-Calvinistic? Also, I know your position on the scripture, but if you try to look at it from the perspective of someone who believed it was all inspired (without necessarily being a literalist), how would you interpret it? I still think the historicist position is a perfectly reasonable one to take, despite the outrage it draws due to how perceptions of the RCC have change since the idea was first formulated during the Reformation.

Well, the Revelation says that people will be judged according to their deeds; it also says people can be removed from the Book of Life.

To be honest, I think John had too much Hash that night. Even if an Angel was talking to him clearly not all of it came through without some static.

Also, the whole "Seven Hills" thing doesn't stand up too well when you consider the extreme, even by Biblical standards, the prophecy has for the number.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-13-2010, 23:35

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Well, the Revelation says that people will be judged according to their deeds; it also says people can be removed from the Book of Life.

Ah, fair points. Although, comments in the same vein on both of those issues can be seen elsewhere throughout the scripture. The Epistle to James is practically dedicated to showing the importance of works and how they impact your judgment, and IIRC Moses asks not to be blotted out of the Book of Life at one point.

Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Also, the whole "Seven Hills" thing doesn't stand up too well when you consider the extreme, even by Biblical standards, the prophecy has for the number.

Aye, that is one thing that crossed my mind. Seven is one of those 'Biblical numbers', along with 3/12/40/70 etc. In the case of seven, I think it is generally used to signify the resurrection. Plus of course it is used a lot throughout Revelation with the seven seals etc.

But then it does specify the seven as referring to hills (or mountains in some translations)....

**gaelic cowboy** · 03-13-2010, 23:34

Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

No reply regarding what we were actually talking about? Nice diversion, but that's another thread for another time. Note that the OP was specifically adressed to Catholics and those for whom the scripture is of some significance.

Hmm the cowboy scan his reply and see's he did highlight the words Argued, Belief and Interpertation in your post seems they would be pertinent to the discussion. Oh I am aware it's about catholics and thats why I was mildly amused earlier on in the thread posting jokes but I have become more and more concerned you believe it this silly fiction would also endanger my own life if your idea is allowed to flourish unchecked.

**Rhyfelwyr** · 03-13-2010, 23:39

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

Hmm the cowboy scan his reply and see's he did highlight the words Argued, Belief and Interpertation in your post seems they would be pertinent to the discussion.

How so, not even in the OP did I argue that it was anything more than that. Especially when given the context in which John was writing Revelation, we can be sure that much of it was put in a sort of riddle-form, due to the authorities of Imperial Rome.

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

Oh I am aware it's about catholics and thats why I was mildly amused earlier on in the thread posting jokes but I have become more and more concerned you believe it this silly fiction would also endanger my own life if your idea is allowed to flourish unchecked.

Yes, and I live in permanent fear that the Pope is sending out his Jesuit agents to kill me in my sleep for not taking communion with him...