Mafia IX: Triumph of the Mafia [Concluded]

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Let's see if there's a pattern.

Secura was very suspicious in dethy mini mafia. She was innocent.
Then in shadow fort she was very suspicious again. But she was guilty

Chaotix was suspicious in shadow fort. But innocent.
Chaotix is suspicious in IX. Therefore he is guilty.

Therefore, we should lynch khaan.

Come on Sasaki....you know I am scum....or are you trying to make the game last a little longer?

You're just trying to convince me that you're innocent in shadow fort

[Beskar]

Vote: Methos

He must die.

[Double A]

You are a good player. But I adore your cheerful spamming skill more so then mafia playing
Also
Vote: Jooray

What if we have a naive detective who will just take up your offer?

Let's see if there's a pattern.

Secura was very suspicious in dethy mini mafia. She was innocent.
Then in shadow fort she was very suspicious again. But she was guilty

Chaotix was suspicious in shadow fort. But innocent.
Chaotix is suspicious in IX. Therefore he is guilty.

Therefore, we should lynch khaan.

I fail to see any logic whatsoever in that post.

[Methos]

Vote: Methos

He must die.

Could you do that over in the "Then there was none" game, please? Anyway, Vote: Khaan.

[Askthepizzaguy]

vote: Chaotix

Khaan is an easy target. I also like his bold leadership. He's not ready for his execution yet.

[Diamondeye]

My thoughts so far:
-The villain(s) is/are striking against active targets. Yesterday it was vets, as Beefy says.

Yaseikhaan is not providing the town with anything but unmotivated bandwagons. He is not even explaining himself. Scummy?
Sigurd has no reason to be this quiet.
Also, I am vaguely suspicious of Beefy, Beskar and to some extent still Renata for their odd voting habits.

[TinCow]

Vote: Subotan

My master commands me.

[Secura]

Secura was very suspicious in dethy mini mafia. She was innocent.

Hey! I was suspicious because you made me out that way! Attacking things that weren't necessarily scummy, jumping on the slightest thing I said, barely fronting anyone else out... I was merely doing everything I could to prove my innocence save PMing you my Role PM directly! :P

Also, Pizza, I think it's a bit of a stretch to label Yaseikhaan's antics as "bold leadership". I've never played a game with him before SF/Mafia IX, so I'm unsure if this is just indicative of his style, but I feel that if we're going to follow someone's lead each turn, I'd prefer it not to be someone who thinks that disliking a film makes you scummy.

[Kagemusha]

vote: woad&fangs. Where have you been lurking?

[Beskar]

Seriously, why haven't Methos and Renata been voted off and killed anyway for being Scum partners?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Vote: Beskar

For trying to start another bandwagon..

[Renata]

My thoughts so far:
-The villain(s) is/are striking against active targets. Yesterday it was vets, as Beefy says.

Yaseikhaan is not providing the town with anything but unmotivated bandwagons. He is not even explaining himself. Scummy?
Sigurd has no reason to be this quiet.
Also, I am vaguely suspicious of Beefy, Beskar and to some extent still Renata for their odd voting habits.

Really Beskar? I thought his vote against Methos was the best vote of the day so far, despite thinking he's probably wrong.

[Renata]

Vote: Beskar

For trying to start another bandwagon..

unvote, vote Ibn-Khaldun

[Chaotix]

For anyone who is still in confusion about my "pressure vote", I'll spell it out:

It was a ploy- a mind-game designed to get the mafia to lodge their votes- since they are looking for evidence in behavior where there actually is none. My apparent lack of sense provided such an opportunity... and once again, the suspicious Renata took the bait right off the bat.

That is why I find Renata suspicious right now. Obviously, more people are inclined to take me seriously even after I said I wasn't being serious with tthat vote...

[Renata]

unvote, vote Chaotix

I don't think it was a ploy. I think it was a bad vote.

There are certain types of comments that mafia will tend to jump on to get in a cheap vote. But if you're trying to lure them into doing so, you don't do it by actually screwing up. You do it with an ambiguous comment that has a simple innocent explanation as well as the superficially suspicious one.

You just screwed up, Chaotix. You tried to make a "I'm so pro-town look at me complaining about the lousy play yesterday" comment, but you hadn't been paying enough attention to what actually happened to make it an accurate one. And you hadn't been paying that attention because with a couple of townies on the firing line, you didn't much care.

Vote: khaan

We do NOT need another runaway bandwagon this round. Last time was forgivable since it was Day 1... but let's not continue that tradition longer than it needs to go.

I say, since there's absolutely nothing else to go on, we start voting by good old behavioral analysis. And I think we are due an explanation from our new eager bandwagon-starter, khaan. Pressure vote for now.

I re-iterate: there was no runaway bandwagon yesterday.

[Andres]

Chaotix sounds scummy, but this is the second round in a row that I find Renata's behaviour suspicious.

I'll have to meditate on this.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Chaotix, your so suspicious.

[pevergreen]

Chaotix sounds scummy, but this is the second round in a row that I find Renata's behaviour suspicious.

I'll have to meditate on this.

And by meditate, you of course mean drink.

[Diamondeye]

And by meditate, you of course mean drink.

That's a given.

I'm very suspicious of Chaotix as well.

[shlin28]

Vote: Methos

Switching a vote only a short while before the round ends? Only I can do that.

[White_eyes:D]

Chaotix, your so suspicious.

Says the man who has the quote for saying anything "suspicious"

I am going to hound you until I die.....

That's my WIFOM of the day....remember..."Heights"

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Says the man who has the quote for saying anything "suspicious"

Do you control the magic of science? Do you have a knowledge of chemistry?

[White_eyes:D]

That's clearly codewords for his "scum buddy"

I will translate...."Do you control the magic of science?" "White_eyes:D need to die in the way specified"
"Do you have a knowledge of chemistry?" "The WIFOM well be too much for people to even think it was us"

[Askthepizzaguy]

Hey! I was suspicious because you made me out that way! Attacking things that weren't necessarily scummy, jumping on the slightest thing I said, barely fronting anyone else out... I was merely doing everything I could to prove my innocence save PMing you my Role PM directly! :P

Also, Pizza, I think it's a bit of a stretch to label Yaseikhaan's antics as "bold leadership". I've never played a game with him before SF/Mafia IX, so I'm unsure if this is just indicative of his style, but I feel that if we're going to follow someone's lead each turn, I'd prefer it not to be someone who thinks that disliking a film makes you scummy.

What Khaan was doing is choosing a candidate and asking for that person to wind up dead. Such is the essence of mafia games. If he picks several times and comes up with nada, then I shall grow weary of his perspective and add his head to the pile. By requesting our votes, he is showing us that he is a leader... one who will pay for his mistakes. So early in the game, I feel he can make one or two mistakes without penalty. Maybe he didn't read the fine print... maybe I neglected to put any fine print in there... but that is how I play the game. If you want my vote to lynch someone, you'd better be right. Khaan is a bold man for his decisiveness, his leadership, and his persistence. All he need worry about is whether he can put the last mafioso to death. If he can do that, then he won't join the dead.

As for.... so-called "reasons" for voting for someone, at this stage of the game... they are nothing but gibberish. The only thing I see when anyone posts, is their vote, or lack thereof... later on I will examine what they said and who they said it to and what they were arguing, with the benefit of hindsight to assist me. For now, all that matters is where you stand.

For anyone who is still in confusion about my "pressure vote", I'll spell it out:

It was a ploy- a mind-game designed to get the mafia to lodge their votes- since they are looking for evidence in behavior where there actually is none. My apparent lack of sense provided such an opportunity... and once again, the suspicious Renata took the bait right off the bat.

That is why I find Renata suspicious right now. Obviously, more people are inclined to take me seriously even after I said I wasn't being serious with tthat vote...

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Case in point; something about pressure and mind games.

I don't know what Chaotix is trying to accomplish with such a complex strategy. I believe he's over-thinking things. At this stage of the game, analysis is about as useful as random guessing. You're presented with a list of names. 2 or fewer are guilty on this list. You have no evidence upon which to base your accusation. The kills could have been randomized, and those kill descriptions look borrowed to me. It's quite early to be thinking of vote analysis or odd tactics.

And so, I am simply lodging a vote against the man who would attack dear leader Khaan. It is not Khaan's time to die yet, in my irrational opinion.

[Winston Hughes]

Vote: Winston Hughes

Okay, so I'm going to vote: Psychonaut until I get a reason.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

unvote:khaan, vote:Chaotix

Disco was mafia in one of GH's games, and just bandwagoned at will the first few rounds. In inishmore khaan was mafia, and only showed up the first 5 rounds or so to vote for me in increasingly rainbow type colors. So, khaan should be lynched soon. It's a mafioso behavior.

[Methos]

Vote: Methos

Switching a vote only a short while before the round ends? Only I can do that.

Uh, the vote is still going on, so I'm a bit confused as to your reasoning.

[johnhughthom]

Vote: Subotan

[Centurion1]

vote: renata you have been acting scummy all game

[Renata]

vote: renata you have been acting scummy all game

Nuh-uh.