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Thread: The Logic and Strategy of Suicide Terrorism
al Roumi 13:44 03-22-2010
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf:
Let me give one minor nitpick in tis... Islam is a religion of peace... when they know the philoshopical meaning written in their quran... and consider philoshopical archievement was more worthy than literal archievement... (who was the majority attitude for now, but the fanatics always try to impose literal meaning over philoshopical meaning, that's why we didn't have the WW3 yet) - I appreciate all of your action to defend them, but in fact, you spur the growth of terrorism in the guise of "tolerance".

CW - NOTE : that was the words of my muslimah ex-girlfriend, that said that so I won't hate her religion as a whole...
This is the crux of this matter. Not all Muslims stand for the same thing, in the same way as not all Christians, aethiests or whatever else stand for the same thing.

Personaly, I have a big problem with the denial of equality for women and the favorisation of any group (religious or other) over another. So I deplore the instances where such has been attempted as you describe above. Similarly, I abhore the situation in Saudi on this matter.

Not all Muslims stand for these things, and those that do, I would have issue with. The problem is that there is a tendency to label the whole of Islam and all Muslims as intolerant fanatics -which they aren't!

Extremism and militancy are the problems, not a religion.

Labeling the whole of Islam and Muslims as terrorists actually plays into the hands of Al-Qaida -by rejecting and ignoring the non-extremist Muslims. It focuses more attention on Osama as the supposed voice of all Muslims -which is completely wrong. The more polarised views become, the more likely a conflict -intolerance breeds conflict.

Cute Wolf 14:02 03-22-2010
Originally Posted by alh_p:
This is the crux of this matter. Not all Muslims stand for the same thing, in the same way as not all Christians, aethiests or whatever else stand for the same thing.

Personaly, I have a big problem with the denial of equality for women and the favorisation of any group (religious or other) over another. So I deplore the instances where such has been attempted as you describe above. Similarly, I abhore the situation in Saudi on this matter.

Not all Muslims stand for these things, and those that do, I would have issue with. The problem is that there is a tendency to label the whole of Islam and all Muslims as intolerant fanatics -which they aren't!

Extremism and militancy are the problems, not a religion.

Labeling the whole of Islam and Muslims as terrorists actually plays into the hands of Al-Qaida -by rejecting and ignoring the non-extremist Muslims. It focuses more attention on Osama as the supposed voice of all Muslims -which is completely wrong. The more polarised views become, the more likely a conflict -intolerance breeds conflict.
But ironically, what Hax have done... will almost spur their growth, because they install some sense of security barrier in the western wolrd, by saying that quran doesn't order killing of kaffirs... and such denial of any harmful ideas...

Originally Posted by :
My Translation From Ulil Abshar Abdalla (the president of Liberal Islamic Network of Indonesia) :

But the truth is just simple, quran did have the killing of infidels... but that was more for philoshopical tought, and you should inspect their "background story", before interpreting them towards today's live... and inspect ourself, what can we do to improve the wellness of others, wellness of our family, and the wellness of ourself?


al Roumi 15:09 03-22-2010
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf:
But ironically, what Hax have done... will almost spur their growth, because they install some sense of security barrier in the western wolrd, by saying that quran doesn't order killing of kaffirs... and such denial of any harmful ideas...
Ha! Al-Qaida and other extremists are only too pleased to see people saying that the Qu'ran says it is Muslims' duty to kill non-believers -it's exactly what they go around saying themselves.

Cute Wolf 15:17 03-22-2010
Originally Posted by alh_p:
Ha! Al-Qaida and other extremists are only too pleased to see people saying that the Qu'ran says it is Muslims' duty to kill non-believers -it's exactly what they go around saying themselves.
I said that was really written, and they should interpret it philoshopically, not literally... and yes, radicals interpret that quite literally. You could always read it was written... or did you ignorant enough to ignore the real facts that it's textual proof had a lot of violence and hatred if we took LITERAL INTERPRETATION? I said LITERAL INTERPRETATION, but in actuality (and what moderate muslims said), the quran is meant to be learned on PHILOSHOPICAL INTERPRETATION...

al Roumi 15:34 03-22-2010
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf:
I said that was really written, and they should interpret it philoshopically, not literally... and yes, radicals interpret that quite literally. You could always read it was written... or did you ignorant enough to ignore the real facts that it's textual proof had a lot of violence and hatred if we took LITERAL INTERPRETATION? I said LITERAL INTERPRETATION, but in actuality (and what moderate muslims said), the quran is meant to be learned on PHILOSHOPICAL INTERPRETATION...
Er, yes but only on every 3rd Friday? I'm not sure what you mean. I know the Qu'ran even says there can be only 1 religion on the Arabian peninsula, but that does not mean much to most Muslims these days -except Al-Qaida, as they want US troops (and the Saudi Royal family they are "protecting") out of Arabia.

This argument about what Islam stands for is almost over the body-politic of Muslims. Al-Qaida want faith in Islam to equate to their violent extremist beliefs, the more that view is promoted by everyone else (as well as by Al-Qaida themselves), the stronger Al-Qaida are.

The real problem is that there is no non-extremist rival of equivalence to Osama, non-violent Islam does not have the same strength of message -or resonance in the media.

Cute Wolf 16:02 03-22-2010
Al Qaeda (and every fanatical muslims) didn't want to rule only middle eastern world, their aim is the entire world (just translate the website I give before, browse, and you'll soon understand).

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