StarWars: Return of the Sith [Concluded]

[TinCow]

Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight

This is a Sigurd game; that means the mafia have cover roles. This is almost certainly one of them.

[Methos]

Three of them confirming them 100%, one being Mace Windu, Jedi Master, the other Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight, and another claiming the Expedition Leader.

Well, at least we know who the anti-network folks are not.

This was fun to read at first...

the other Anakin Skywalker,

The other one, so who is the first?

[atheotes]

It would have been 6 if I was on in time, given the candidates.

People are voting pretty predicatably, It simply isn't worth wasting another vote on Beskar, yet at least. ATPG is just a victim of his own talkative nature, nothing more.

I'd rather vote for ACIN than 2 players which are probably pro-town, from what little information we have.

I agree Beskar could be pro-town...but why do you think ATPG could be protown? And why was ACIN a better vote?

[naut]

This is a Sigurd game; that means the mafia have cover roles. This is almost certainly one of them.

Yes and no. May simply be susceptible to conversion.

All in all, this Beskie business is just a distraction, it's allowing the Sith to sneak on by.

[a completely inoffensive name]

My life is the perfect example of the recklessness of these "experienced" players being in control every time and once someone doesnt follow their plan, they eliminate them in a quick sweep. Pretty evident how all of a sudden the ATPG bandwagon was completely routed by 5 sudden votes for me. Getting sick of this network dominated by the same players game.

I guess being one of the biggest jedi heros the expanded universe has seen doesnt matter when you openly challenge ATPG, Sasaki and Beskar.

[Andres]

Can somebody please explain to me why exactly ACIN got lynched?

FoS whoever voted ACIN after he had two votes already.

Out of ACIN, Beskar, ATPG and Sasaki, ACIN was the worst choice for a lynch

[johnhughthom]

I guess being one of the biggest jedi heros the expanded universe has seen doesnt matter when you openly challenge ATPG, Sasaki and Beskar.

True Jedi heroes don't metagame.

[Kagemusha]

Actually, I had plently of people confirm my credentials. Three of them confirming them 100%, one being Mace Windu, Jedi Master, the other Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight, and another claiming the Expedition Leader.

Then again, they are going to reveal to me as they would know my creditials are correct, however, they are not going to reveal to you nor reveal in public. One of them said "I was tempted to step in to defend you, but I would most likely get lynched myself just for defending you", plus the fact, in revealing, the Sith know who to kill.

As others have said, if I was lying, one of the other 4 who will know my story 100% from their own experience, or any investigators would have revealed that I was a Sith.

Stop trying to grasp at straws to fuel your futile witch-hunt. You know you are wrong, you are just doing it intentionally, because you are most likely sith yourself. You are too good of a player to be trying to lynch me if you was a genuine townie, which leaves you either 1) sith 2) metagaming.

Feel free to choose between the two.



Yes, because it is in the best interest to reveal any innocents or pro-town in a virtual covering them in red paint with a sign saying "kill me" sticking out of them. Don't be stupid.

So basically the rest of us can just stop playing and leave it to you. Well i was kind of busy anyway.

[TinCow]

Yes and no. May simply be susceptible to conversion.

I certainly believe that, but it's clear this game started with at least 2 Sith. Those people are around here somewhere, and I seriously doubt that they don't have a cover role. If they didn't, in the write-ups it would expose them instantly with a 'Darth' name or some such, and that doesn't seem balanced. No game host reveals the role of a person instantly when they die. So, they're going to have cover roles. The cover role will make sense, we're not going to have Chewbacca being a cover role for Emperor Palpatine. No, we'll have Anakin Skywalker being a cover role for Darth Vader, Count Dooku being a cover role for Darth Tyranus, etc. We've probably got a mix of dark-side covers and potential dark-side recruits, so just seeing a name like that doesn't indicate a Sith. However, it is worth being extremely wary of, as I think they are, at a minimum, potential Sith. We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.

[naut]

We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.

[Beskar]

So basically the rest of us can just stop playing and leave it to you. Well i was kind of busy anyway.

Stop trolling. I never even suggested anything of the sort. It means start actually playing Sigurds good game instead of whining and attempting to sidetrack and ruin his game about something that has not even occurred.

We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.

Funnily, that would be too obvious. Converting is a game mechanic, not a fact.

[TinCow]

Funnily, that would be too obvious. Converting is a game mechanic, not a fact.

I'll believe it when I hear it from someone whose role didn't end up with the title Darth. If you truly do have a pro-town group working together, I strongly suggest you get a new spokesman. Any information coming exclusively from you (which is, so far, everything) is going to be inherently tainted.

[Beskar]

I'll believe it when I hear it from someone whose role didn't end up with the title Darth. If you truly do have a pro-town group working together, I strongly suggest you get a new spokesman. Any information coming exclusively from you (which is, so far, everything) is going to be inherently tainted.

There is no pro-town network working together, it is just a bunch of people in contact with eachother. Also no, it won't be inherently tainted since there is not taint, only a false one you applying, which means you are purposefully shooting yourself in the foot at the benefit of no one.

[TinCow]

Also no, it won't be inherently tainted since there is not taint, only a false one you applying, which means you are purposefully shooting yourself in the foot at the benefit of no one.

Your role was one of the main bad guys in the movies, and you've openly admitted it's possible for you to be recruited. How is that not a taint?

[Subotan]

There is no pro-town network working together, it is just a bunch of people in contact with eachother.

That is the definition of a network.

[Beskar]

That is the definition of a network.

Then everyone here is guilty. If you spoke to anyone out side of the thread, you are in a network, under that definition.

[Beskar]

Your role was one of the main bad guys in the movies, and you've openly admitted it's possible for you to be recruited. How is that not a taint?

Only if I attack some one, this is also the same for Mace Windu too and other roles. Oops.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I certainly believe that, but it's clear this game started with at least 2 Sith. Those people are around here somewhere, and I seriously doubt that they don't have a cover role. If they didn't, in the write-ups it would expose them instantly with a 'Darth' name or some such, and that doesn't seem balanced. No game host reveals the role of a person instantly when they die. So, they're going to have cover roles. The cover role will make sense, we're not going to have Chewbacca being a cover role for Emperor Palpatine. No, we'll have Anakin Skywalker being a cover role for Darth Vader, Count Dooku being a cover role for Darth Tyranus, etc. We've probably got a mix of dark-side covers and potential dark-side recruits, so just seeing a name like that doesn't indicate a Sith. However, it is worth being extremely wary of, as I think they are, at a minimum, potential Sith. We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.

Well, my character was never turned to the dark side. Will you trust me then?

[Renata]

My life is the perfect example of the recklessness of these "experienced" players being in control every time and once someone doesnt follow their plan, they eliminate them in a quick sweep. Pretty evident how all of a sudden the ATPG bandwagon was completely routed by 5 sudden votes for me. Getting sick of this network dominated by the same players game.

I guess being one of the biggest jedi heros the expanded universe has seen doesnt matter when you openly challenge ATPG, Sasaki and Beskar.

It had better not continue. But dang ACIN you left yourself open to it in more than one way. Not only what Diana pointed out, but just your whole attitude. You made yourself perfectly clear that you had no interest in actually playing the game but rather only in pursuing personal grudges. Sucky as the bandagon on you was, I personally would have vigged you for that attitude, if I could have.

[Renata]

I certainly believe that, but it's clear this game started with at least 2 Sith. Those people are around here somewhere, and I seriously doubt that they don't have a cover role. If they didn't, in the write-ups it would expose them instantly with a 'Darth' name or some such, and that doesn't seem balanced. No game host reveals the role of a person instantly when they die. So, they're going to have cover roles. The cover role will make sense, we're not going to have Chewbacca being a cover role for Emperor Palpatine. No, we'll have Anakin Skywalker being a cover role for Darth Vader, Count Dooku being a cover role for Darth Tyranus, etc. We've probably got a mix of dark-side covers and potential dark-side recruits, so just seeing a name like that doesn't indicate a Sith. However, it is worth being extremely wary of, as I think they are, at a minimum, potential Sith. We trust people like Yoda and Obi-wan, not people who turned to the dark side in SW canon.

Two people have so far stated the "kill and you become susceptible to the dark side" thing, that I know of personally. One is Beskar, with a "bad" name. The other claims a "good" name.

I'm tending to think that this information is accurate. Possibly some players are *more* susceptible than others, but that's just speculation.

[Niklas]

Only if I attack some one, this is also the same for Mace Windu too and other roles. Oops.

I believe the pressing concern should not be whether you are already tainted or not, but rather that you admittedly have the option to effectively choose to become tainted, should you wish. If this game goes badly and you had the option to switch sides, would you pass on the opportunity? Naturally you would say now that you would never fall to the dark side, but how far can we truly trust that?

I am inclined to believe what you have said so far. That does not mean that I would trust you with any sensitive information. You are simply a risk. That might be more or less true for everyone as far as we know, definitely if we are to take your words for it. But everyone else being unknown as well doesn't really imply that you are to be trusted any further...

[Renata]

Well said.

[TinCow]

Two people have so far stated the "kill and you become susceptible to the dark side" thing, that I know of personally. One is Beskar, with a "bad" name. The other claims a "good" name.

I'm tending to think that this information is accurate. Possibly some players are *more* susceptible than others, but that's just speculation.

I believe it's accurate as well, because it makes sense. However, we have no way of knowing who has killed and who hasn't. Someone could easily vig and then deny it. So, it is important that there not be a single mouthpiece for this proto-network that Beskar is setting up because a single voice will never be fully trusted. Beskar may not like me being the bearer of bad news, but don't blame the messenger. Since he is a potential Sith, he cannot expect his word alone to be good enough for the town, particularly when it comes to his own night actions. He has to be backed by others or he has to get used to being grilled on a daily basis.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I think it's pretty easy to tell whether Beskar(or othe Jedi Masters) have turned to the dark side. If we see a vig kill in the write up then that's it. Then Beskar should be send to the space and this time we will not allow him back in. I think once he turns to the dark side he looses his power that helped him in the first time. It would be just weird to have a Sith who we can't lynch!

Also, to all the Siths out there!

I challenge you. If you dare then attack me during this night phase. A lightsaber duel to the death! You probably will not attack since we all know that Siths are cowards!

[atheotes]

Agree with TC...Beskar should take into account how many people are suspicious of him. It will continue to be the case if he is lone mouthpiece. If he really wished to do some good to the town he will have to find another way.

[Renata]

I'm not sure we'd be able to distinguish a vig kill from a Sith kill with complete reliability, nor distinguish one potential Sith wanna-be from another.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I'm not sure we'd be able to distinguish a vig kill from a Sith kill with complete reliability, nor distinguish one potential Sith wanna-be from another.

Sith have a red lightsaber while a vigilante will have lightsaber with another color.

[Niklas]

Like Renata said, how would we know which vigilante to throw into space? And how much damage can they do before that, with all the information entrusted to them? If any, that is, which I hope will be the case. But if our illustrious expedition leader has already revealed to Beskar as he claims, that line seems to have been crossed already.

[Beskar]

Like Renata said, how would we know which vigilante to throw into space? And how much damage can they do before that, with all the information entrusted to them? If any, that is, which I hope will be the case. But if our illustrious expedition leader has already revealed to Beskar as he claims, that line seems to have been crossed already.

Well, I doubt our expedition leader can be killed anytime soon anyway.

Also, there are currently two attacks per night, and they have trade-marks. Anyone vig-attacks will be obvious from the write-up. In that same vein, it is pretty obviously I won't be betraying the town, I am in the spotlight. Plus, I would have killed GeneralHankerchief already.

[Niklas]

I reiterate that even though a vig attack would be obvious, the identity of the vigilante might not be. You claim you are not the only one with such abilities, so how would we know who to kick out the air-lock? You "obviously" wouldn't betray town since you have the spotlight on you - nice WIFOM there, should it ever happen.