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It does bear further observation however I wouldn't be surprised if the SPLC got a little zealous in there painting of FAIR....they do tend to do that.
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name:
Establish a massive scale guest worker program, tell them that any worker who wants work can sign up and register and will be provided free access to come and go into and out the US without trouble and minimum wage so their low socio economic status is removed from the equation (hilarious I know, since the minimum wage hasnt been increased since 97 because republicans dont believe in inflation). At least it will keep track of the problem in terms of numbers and will work against drug cartels throwing immigrants in harms way by using them as drug mules.
Republicans believe in inflation, what they do not believe in is the minimum wage.Establish a massive scale guest worker program, tell them that any worker who wants work can sign up and register and will be provided free access to come and go into and out the US without trouble and minimum wage so their low socio economic status is removed from the equation (hilarious I know, since the minimum wage hasnt been increased since 97 because republicans dont believe in inflation). At least it will keep track of the problem in terms of numbers and will work against drug cartels throwing immigrants in harms way by using them as drug mules.
A broader and more easily used "guest worker" program probably does have to be part of any reasonable solution to this issue.
Originally Posted by Lignator:
Wasn't the minimum wage raised to 7.25 just last year?
You are correct, I was not aware of this until now. Looks like in 2006 or 2007 they set some sort of established increase over the three years. Before that though, it was ten years that it had gone unchanged.Wasn't the minimum wage raised to 7.25 just last year?
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Republicans believe in inflation, what they do not believe in is the minimum wage.
A broader and more easily used "guest worker" program probably does have to be part of any reasonable solution to this issue.
I just dont understand what is wrong with telling them that as long as we know who they are and as long as they obey our laws they can come over and take in a piece of American prosperity by doing the jobs we dont want with American pay.Republicans believe in inflation, what they do not believe in is the minimum wage.
A broader and more easily used "guest worker" program probably does have to be part of any reasonable solution to this issue.
Americans will do these jobs. Illegals get hired because the companies can bilk the tax man
They should make it so illegal immigrants have to be paid at least the minimum wage. If they aren't, the companies will have to pay the costs owed to them.
What this means, if that the illegals can sue the companies, which get the companies in a big mess in legal fines and pay-outs, also, the immigration officers can deport the illegals back to Mexico.
This means that companies will not hire illegals due to fear of law suits and fines, thus not deprive the "hard-working Americans" from their jobs and also allows the Feds to remove the illegals from the United States.
Win-Win.
What this means, if that the illegals can sue the companies, which get the companies in a big mess in legal fines and pay-outs, also, the immigration officers can deport the illegals back to Mexico.
This means that companies will not hire illegals due to fear of law suits and fines, thus not deprive the "hard-working Americans" from their jobs and also allows the Feds to remove the illegals from the United States.
Win-Win.
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name:
I just dont understand what is wrong with telling them that as long as we know who they are and as long as they obey our laws they can come over and take in a piece of American prosperity by doing the jobs we dont want with American pay.
That might be a bit more broad a guest worker program than I'd go thought about, but as long as ID and proper screening occurred during entry, that might end up being okay.I just dont understand what is wrong with telling them that as long as we know who they are and as long as they obey our laws they can come over and take in a piece of American prosperity by doing the jobs we dont want with American pay.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
Americans will do these jobs. Illegals get hired because the companies can bilk the tax man
Then it still brings me back to my solution. Create the guest worker program, catalog the workers and force companies to pay them the minimum wage so its an even playing field between the Americans and illegals.Americans will do these jobs. Illegals get hired because the companies can bilk the tax man
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
That might be a bit more broad a guest worker program than I'd go thought about, but as long as ID and proper screening occurred during entry, that might end up being okay.
Awesome, we agree then. -High fives-That might be a bit more broad a guest worker program than I'd go thought about, but as long as ID and proper screening occurred during entry, that might end up being okay.
Interesting details emerge:
The law recognizes a driver's license from another state as proof that one is not "an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States," but only if that state "requires proof of legal residence in the United States before issuance." According to this fairly recent summary, about half a dozen states don't. So Latino drivers from, say, Michigan could be in for a real hassle if they happen to be pulled over in Arizona, even if they are native-born U.S. citizens. Considering that a perfectly legal visitor from Mexico was nabbed by Arpaio's deputies and detained for almost nine hours even though he presented several forms of ID, including a valid visa, Latinos from states that don't meet Arizona's criteria probably should carry a passport. Or just avoid Arizona.
Originally Posted by Lemur:
...Latinos from states that don't meet Arizona's criteria probably should carry a passport. Or just avoid Arizona.[/indent]
Which is, I suspect, the real intent of this law....Latinos from states that don't meet Arizona's criteria probably should carry a passport. Or just avoid Arizona.[/indent]
Robert Rodriguez comments on the Arizona immigration bill. With a trailer for his movie Machete.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44943
It's a red band trailer, watch at your own risk. Although it is hilarious.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/44943
It's a red band trailer, watch at your own risk. Although it is hilarious.
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
American children disciplined for wearing American flag apparel on Cinco de Mayo.
I heard about that on the radio last night. Hi-larious. Especially since Cinco de Mayo is more like Jose Cuervo Day than anything else. As one caller said, "Did the school not fly the US flag on May 5th?" Hopefully the school admin gets canned.American children disciplined for wearing American flag apparel on Cinco de Mayo.
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger:
American children disciplined for wearing American flag apparel on Cinco de Mayo.
HAHA. They do realize Cinco de Mayo isn't celebrated in MexicoAmerican children disciplined for wearing American flag apparel on Cinco de Mayo.
Idoits.
The kids were probably doing it to be douchebags but the school is just... 
So what? Is it not a day to celebrate a Mexican military victory? Are Mexicans not the primary celebrators? What does it matter what they do in Mexico? Mexicans in the United States think Mexico is the greatest country on earth. Mexicans in Mexico know it's a load. Telling kids that they can't wear American flag shirts EVER is absurd.
There is probably more to the story - like the kids were screaming racial slurs, but the idea that kids would get in trouble for wearing the flag of their country anywhere within their own country is pretty obviously stupid.
There is probably more to the story - like the kids were screaming racial slurs, but the idea that kids would get in trouble for wearing the flag of their country anywhere within their own country is pretty obviously stupid.
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh:
Which is, I suspect, the real intent of this law.
Hey, hey. The intent of the law is not to keep latino's out. The intent is to force the issue so that other states and the Federal government enforce our immigration policies and secure the border. Most people recognize the need for large levels of immigration within the confines of law and responsibility. To suggest that reasonable people can't have any interest in a legitimate strategy to contain the border is disingenuous.Which is, I suspect, the real intent of this law.
I'd like to see a tougher crackdown on businesses who use illegal immigrant labor and a substantially increased worker visa program. Couple these things with Immigration checkpoints in border states and federally funded prisons for illegals in Mexico. I think the most important part of this idea is the increased worker visa program. We need immigration and we need to make it easier for immigrants to get here, but we need to know who they are and store substantial amounts of biometric information about them. "Amnesty" regarding citizenship, beyond creating a time sensetive window to register for a work-visa program for those already here, is not a realistic, healthy or just option. Create a road to citizenship with a certain amount of military service, even for those here illegally.
Hispanics are the modern Irish and Italians. This has very little to do with race and EVERYTHING to do with security and our economy. We need immigrants AND the rule of law.
Originally Posted by TuffStuffMcGruff:
So what? Is it not a day to celebrate a Mexican military victory? Are Mexicans not the primary celebrators? What does it matter what they do in Mexico? Mexicans in the United States think Mexico is the greatest country on earth. Mexicans in Mexico know it's a load. Telling kids that they can't wear American flag shirts EVER is absurd.
There is probably more to the story - like the kids were screaming racial slurs, but the idea that kids would get in trouble for wearing the flag of their country anywhere within their own country is pretty obviously stupid.
Mexicans do not celebrate the holidaySo what? Is it not a day to celebrate a Mexican military victory? Are Mexicans not the primary celebrators? What does it matter what they do in Mexico? Mexicans in the United States think Mexico is the greatest country on earth. Mexicans in Mexico know it's a load. Telling kids that they can't wear American flag shirts EVER is absurd.
There is probably more to the story - like the kids were screaming racial slurs, but the idea that kids would get in trouble for wearing the flag of their country anywhere within their own country is pretty obviously stupid.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
Mexicans do not celebrate the holiday
As I understand it, Cinquo de Mayo is celebrated about as much as we celebrate Bunker Hill. A monument visited once in a while and a few para's in the history texts. Can any of you yanks name the date of the Battle of Bunker Hill off the top of your head without a quick Google to help? I know I cannot and I very much am a history buff. Mexicans do not celebrate the holiday
Where I was raised in Jersey and then Virginia, Cinquo de Mayo was the day for the Mexican restaraunts to get a big bar crowd and have some live mariachi and other bands for a change. When I was a kid, I assumed that it was at least as important to Mexicans as St. Pat's was to the Irish. Of course, then I read that St. Pat's was -- until recently -- mostly a big thing here and more of a quiet holy day in Ireland.
Our whole relationship with Mexico is a perversion. We are neither acting rationally nor acting according to our ideological tenets, nor -- and this is the wors part -- even remotely consistent.
Originally Posted by Strike For The South:
Mexicans do not celebrate the holiday
Where I live they do, last saturday they had a cinco de mayo event at the local catholic church, a couple of my mexican friends went and I believe a lot of the participants where mexican.Mexicans do not celebrate the holiday
Originally Posted by Lignator:
Where I live they do, last saturday they had a cinco de mayo event at the local catholic church, a couple of my mexican friends went and I believe a lot of the participants where mexican.
Where I live they do, last saturday they had a cinco de mayo event at the local catholic church, a couple of my mexican friends went and I believe a lot of the participants where mexican.
In our area... Small parties, but nothing much.
Don't come here illgealy. My great-grand parents from the Austrian-Hungarian Empire (former solider/salior my great-grandfathers on my mom side were) and on my dad side (1 fought in Haller Blue Army aganist Russia) from Poland came here legally and they didn't speak good English. But they still came here legally. So don't hand me this crap we need to treat illegials nice. Come here legally or Stay out!
So because something is against the law, it must be bad? Whilst simultaneously, everything that is legal is good?
Originally Posted by Subotan:
So because something is against the law, it must be bad? Whilst simultaneously, everything that is legal is good?
I suppose your verbal trap could have been more obvious, but other than a flashing So because something is against the law, it must be bad? Whilst simultaneously, everything that is legal is good?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
He's asserting the simple premise that illegal immigration is just that, illegal. He suggests, as have many others, that those side-stepping the system are at least implicitly showing disrespect for those who emigrated according to the rules/procedures. He's wrong about "treating them nice," of course. They should be very politely treated and respectfully addressed as they are returned to their country of origin.
I tried to find a large TRAP sign, but I couldn't find one big enough.
Regardless, surely the point of illegal immigration is to keep thugs and criminals out? What is wrong with purely economic migrants?
Regardless, surely the point of illegal immigration is to keep thugs and criminals out? What is wrong with purely economic migrants?
Originally Posted by Subotan:
Regardless, surely the point of illegal immigration is to keep thugs and criminals out? What is wrong with purely economic migrants?
The point of illegal immigrantion is to decide who you want in by democratic means, not by the luck of the desert.Regardless, surely the point of illegal immigration is to keep thugs and criminals out? What is wrong with purely economic migrants?
What is wrong or not about economic migrants is open to democratic debate, which will then turn this into law.
What is wrong with speeding? Surely the point of driving is to get from A to B?
Originally Posted by |Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88:
Come here legally or Stay out!
That's what I keep telling you people, but that just makes you all mad or something. Not my fault the truth isn't in your favour.Come here legally or Stay out!
Originally Posted by Lignator:
Where I live they do, last saturday they had a cinco de mayo event at the local catholic church, a couple of my mexican friends went and I believe a lot of the participants where mexican.
Where I live they do, last saturday they had a cinco de mayo event at the local catholic church, a couple of my mexican friends went and I believe a lot of the participants where mexican.
Those people are not Mexicans. They are Americans
Illegal immigrant student hope she spurs reform.
What the article doesn't say is how much financial aid she received, if any, for her degree.
If so, she should be required to pay it back. Then returned home to Mexico to apply for a work visa to come to the US legally. Why should she, and the reportly thousands of similar illegals, get a free & easy pass for breaking the law while other immigrants who go through the legal process bear the sacrifices that go with it?
My step-daughter will be attending her first college semester this August. Her eligibilty for financial aid = just about 0. That's okay, we'll sacrifice to pay for it. Through taxes we'll sacrifice to pay for those who do qualify for financial aid, but I'll be
to agree to support those who feel entitled to these benefits who are here illegally and knowingly breaking the law.
What the article doesn't say is how much financial aid she received, if any, for her degree.
If so, she should be required to pay it back. Then returned home to Mexico to apply for a work visa to come to the US legally. Why should she, and the reportly thousands of similar illegals, get a free & easy pass for breaking the law while other immigrants who go through the legal process bear the sacrifices that go with it?
My step-daughter will be attending her first college semester this August. Her eligibilty for financial aid = just about 0. That's okay, we'll sacrifice to pay for it. Through taxes we'll sacrifice to pay for those who do qualify for financial aid, but I'll be
to agree to support those who feel entitled to these benefits who are here illegally and knowingly breaking the law.[QUOTE=Strike For The South;2488417]Those people are not Mexicans. They are Americans[/QUOTE.] Some of them were American yes, but some of them were Mexican immigrants also.
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