Democracy or What's Right?

**gaelic cowboy** · 05-25-2010, 17:46

But how can opinion be a good idea most people have no opinion on anything or worse they form bad ones or abuse good one's. If you use reason it doesn't matter what opinion you have it will be informed by said reason as opposed to the mob

**Furunculus** · 05-25-2010, 19:32

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

But how can opinion be a good idea most people have no opinion on anything or worse they form bad ones or abuse good one's. If you use reason it doesn't matter what opinion you have it will be informed by said reason as opposed to the mob

is this directed at me, i'm struggling to make a connection?

**gaelic cowboy** · 05-25-2010, 22:06

Originally Posted by Furunculus

is this directed at me, i'm struggling to make a connection?

Sorry yes it is

**Furunculus** · 05-25-2010, 23:18

i'm still struggling to link your comment to mine..............? :)

**gaelic cowboy** · 05-25-2010, 23:34

@furunculus your saying only public opinion matters I think thats is dangerous maybe even more dangerous than dictatorship.

**Furunculus** · 05-26-2010, 08:17

Originally Posted by gaelic cowboy

@furunculus your saying only public opinion matters I think thats is dangerous maybe even more dangerous than dictatorship.

public opinion includes civic norms and societal goodwill, which is found in Britain in sufficient measure to permit FPTP winner takes all politics and a system of governance that directly reflects the will of the British electorate.

if other countries don't have that trust then they must cripple the representative nature of their government, but that isn't my concern.

**Centurion1** · 05-25-2010, 23:46

Pure democracy is an imbecilic notion and imo people should take an intelligence test to be able to vote. Not really but public opinion is so swayed and unknowledgeable that representative democracy controlled by a political elite is the only realistic form of democracy.

And sometimes people must extend their powers. Let's look at imo the most powerfuly middle eastern nation, turkey. Why are they the dominant faction even without vast oil reserves? Because amid a sea of islamic fundementalist nation states they are secular and westernized. And why are they like this? Because whenever islamic clerics fundies of course attempt to seize power the military squashes them since ataturk. There are other reasons of course but that is key and some would argue that turkey has a better representation for its constituents than many other nations (unless your a kurd)

Other me examples egypt pakistan (before the current events there of course lol)