Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

[Renata]

Of course there's one more variant that hasn't been raised: Atheotes was mafia, but his vote on white_eyes meant nothing as regards the people at two votes; he was just looking for an excuse to vote for someone and white_eyes fit the bill.

[TheFlax]

Vote: Kagemusha, for now and regardless of the White_Eyes vote.

[Renata]

Why?

They could easily drop the ruse tonight. Messing up one of our few remaining lynches with a near-100% success rate is worth a temporary drop in kills. Deed accomplished, they resume killing at full power, and we become panicky and confused.

Is it? I'd think that would be the case only in the event that they were seriously concerned one of them might be lynched today otherwise. Who, that is not on that list (and is not split) would have been a near certainty to be in lynch trouble? Giving up a kill is no small matter; if we were likely to mislynch anyway, then they did it for no gain. Which would be stupid. I don't think our mafia are stupid.

So who fits the "near-certain to come under pressure today" category, and would they know it?

[Diana Abnoba]

I understand what you (Tin Cow, and Pizza) are saying, but if he is mafia, he was a henchman and had to be picked, this is not random.org picking the mafia in this game.

Also this game is coming to an end soon, with not that many rounds left. I don't think that the mafia would volunteer to loose 1 kill each night from now on, just to fool us into thinking we got a mafia when we didn't. We were not that close to nailing the whole team yet, and we still have our own Vig kills. I would think that they would want to finish us off fast as possible, and win. I'm not a mind reader (and not the best mafia player (esp. townie) here) but this is what I think. Take it or leave it.

[TinCow]

Don't forget the equally plausible possibility that one of them just failed to get their orders in. That is, unfortunately, not an uncommon scenario here at the Org.

[Beskar]

So it is that the Mafia is pretending, if so, they keep the kills limited to attempt to fool us, which will give the town (us) more time, anyway, or we got a mafia. There is also the alternative that Diana protected some one, but I am guessing a successful protection will end up in the write-up.

Either way, this night result is win-win.

Vote: Kagemusha

[Diana Abnoba]

Beskar, see my post before, my protected person wasn't attack. Keep up please, it is bad when I'm doing a better job than you at this.

[Renata]

As Pizza said, it's not necessarily one kill every night from now on; it could be as simple as a missed order (though I sort of doubt it), or a hare-brained plan that they'll think better of by tonight. I do think if the mafia were to do such a thing, then they'd have *something* in mind to gain thereby, and I'm not convinced a guaranteed mislynch is it. As I just said, was there *anyone* (save Kagemusha, who is on the list anyway) who was dead certain to be under heavy pressure today?

[Askthepizzaguy]

It's not so hare-brained. It's been done before and it is usually effective.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

SHHH!!! I'm trying to get them to kill less!

[Diana Abnoba]

Then help us find another mafia Pizza, then they will kill less.

[Beskar]

Ok, a tip, remember to refresh your browser for new posts, before you post. When I replied, I only had Diana's and Scienters reply, when I posted, a whole page appeared. O_O

[Askthepizzaguy]

Then help us find another mafia Pizza, then they will kill less.

I'd prefer to leave my opinion ambiguous and let people weigh in without my interference.

It's easy for mafia to hide inside a pizza-inspired bandwagon that is without any merit. I have already mentioned to a few people who I think are nasty nasties, but I want to see their posts before I start accusing them. And if they don't post, well, that makes it even easier to accuse them because they are dead weight.


I want 2-3 names from everyone as a response to this question: WHO DO YOU THINK IS GUILTY?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Looking in thread is perhaps not as good as asking "who would pick atheotes". The answer to that is Beskar.

[The Stranger]

so... we got a mafia?


vote:beskar

[Beskar]

Looking in thread is perhaps not as good as asking "who would pick atheotes". The answer to that is Beskar.

Interesting idea, I fully understand what you mean. But you underestimated me.

I would have picked you and Pizza for the hilariaty of it. You remember the reaction from johnhughthom "39 yawns" ? That is what I would have counted on.

[Askthepizzaguy]

so... we got a mafia?


vote:beskar

Who are your top 3 suspects, TS?

[Diana Abnoba]

Yes, I agree. Everyone please post (or you can PM me) with your top 3 suspects.

[atheotes]

I am glad the town is looking into all possibilities and not confining the drop in kills = i was mafia. After seeing the write up i thought i will have to struggle to get the idea through but i underestimated the players here.

It is a bold move by the mafia. Curious to see how they move forward.

i understand i dont have much credibility right now...but...

I see it as good for the town that there was only one kill. Either they have to keep up the ruse or the lost kill becomes a waste.
The people who will stand to gain the most from this WIFOM will need to be pressured.
the 2 times i played as mafia with Beskar - Netherworld and Shakespearean mafia - he voted for me just to keep us his behavior and more importantly as a distancing tactic. Please get Beskar to talk more - there is nothing to lose by applying pressure.
Same goes for Kage, whose activity has dropped since he came under suspicion.

I am not sure if i am throwing additional WIFOM at the town, but that is not my intention.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Kage's activity drop is no big deal. I can see a townie not wanting to keep up with the thread + those long stylized posts. His dropping out is not suspicious.

ps: beskar is equally likely to go for the only 1 kill based on "atheotes is always guilty".

[atheotes]

Kage's activity drop is no big deal. I can see a townie not wanting to keep up with the thread + those long stylized posts. His dropping out is not suspicious.

ps: beskar is equally likely to go for the only 1 kill based on "atheotes is always guilty".

Kage dropped out when people questioned him why he was not accusing anyone (not hunting for mafia)...thats y i think it is suspicious

[Beefy187]

ATPG+ Renata (Maybe Diana or Flax...Or Beskar even)
Tincow+ Scienter (Beskar?)

Beskar could fit anywhere.

[TheFlax]

ATPG+ Renata (Maybe Diana or Flax...Or Beskar even)
Tincow+ Scienter (Beskar?)

Beskar could fit anywhere.

Your suspecting someone who has been dead for roughly 6 rounds? Beefy dear, what's up with that? Also, what's your obsession with Beskar in this game? Every other round you either vote for him or push for his death.

[atheotes]

Beefy - i am not considering ATPG to be mafia because the possiblity for that is: He has to be the Ancient One - in which case, the secret role in the game is that of the Ancient coming back to life after getting lynched. I dont know if anyone can understand what i just said

what i am trying to say is: the game is set up such that the Ancient one has to be dead before he/she can truly come back to live forever. And that is the special role in the game.

That is far fetched by any standards. hence i am willing to believe ATPG is town.

[Renata]

Do tell us who you think is guilty, then, atheotes. May as well multiply the WIFOM a bit more, since we're already swimming in it.

You say you were concerned when you saw the write-up. Not, when Diana denied a successful protection.

I'm not sure if I should be questioning a dead person like this, but really:

[atheotes]

Do tell us who you think is guilty, then, atheotes. May as well multiply the WIFOM a bit more, since we're already swimming in it.

You say you were concerned when you saw the write-up. Not, when Diana denied a successful protection.

I'm not sure if I should be questioning a dead person like this, but really:

Did we not discuss the possibility of the mafia intentionally dropping a kill? As soon as i read the write up thats what came to my mind along with the fact that i will not have any credibility. the possibility of a successful protection came only as an after thought and it was quashed very soon because Diana had already posted that info when i was reading the writeup.

[Renata]

I don't remember if it was discussed or not. Edit: I personally didn't really think they would do it, and still have some trouble with the idea. I don't see the long-term gain.

[TinCow]

My top suspects: Kagemusha, Scienter, and Renata. Kage for the reasons already discussed. Scienter because she has been exceptionally silent about this game at home (though that could be because I killed her last time we played together based on things she said at home). Renata because I can see her being a likely choice as a minion for many people.

[Scienter]

Forum ate my post! Ok, second try.

My first suspect is Kagemusha. I still think he could have been using funny posts to distract us from his true intent. Second up is TinCow, whose posts are usually more substantive than what we've seen so far.

I'd like to note that in pevergreen's game, TinCow had me killed immediately after I asked him a question about PM-ing, and I decided not to talk to him about games we are both playing, regardless of whether I have a role. I also think he knew this, so it seems random that he would bring it up. Why would he assume that I would confide in him or talk to him about the game, knowing that he he had me killed in the last one we played together? More likely that he's mafia and thinks I'm a townie and he's trying to get me killed so the vamps don't have to waste a kill on me tonight.

I don't have a third suspect, but the reasoning against Beskar, above, at least sounds plausibe.

Vote: Kagemusha, for now.

[TinCow]

I'd like to note that in pevergreen's game, TinCow had me killed immediately after I asked him a question about PM-ing, and I decided not to talk to him about games we are both playing, regardless of whether I have a role. I also think he knew this, so it seems random that he would bring it up. Why would he assume that I would confide in him or talk to him about the game, knowing that he he had me killed in the last one we played together? More likely that he's mafia and thinks I'm a townie and he's trying to get me killed so the vamps don't have to waste a kill on me tonight.

Your reaction just seems a bit more extreme than I would have expected. You went from regular discussion to absolute silence. This little back and forth between you and me is literally the only discussion we've had about the game... which is kind of hillarious since we're sitting in the same room on separate computers right now while we're posting these... but we're still not talking about it. It just seems 'off'. You've stated before that you feel useless as a townie because you can't do anything at night and you don't think you're good at thread analysis. If you're just a townie, why the mime act? You've got nothing to hide and not much to lose anyway, and if you think I'm scum, why aren't you trying to get something out of me. It just doesn't seem consistent with how you've acted before as a townie. Like I said, I understand some blowback from me murdering you, but this seems like more than that.

[Beefy187]

Your suspecting someone who has been dead for roughly 6 rounds? Beefy dear, what's up with that? Also, what's your obsession with Beskar in this game? Every other round you either vote for him or push for his death.

Then again, I forgot that each henchmen get a kill... So if one of them dies, kills drops to one?

Ok then maybe not ATPG, unless atheotes theory is correct.

I still suspect Renata though.