Concert of Europe

[Kagemusha]

France wellcomes the logical and lawfull stand of the British in the current situation.

[Subotan]

With all respect to Russia and her Czar.Like we said already this is not issue to settle between France and Prussia.This issue is about Prussia violating the autonomy of Netherlands..

Rubbish. I am taking the initiative to restore Europe to stability, whilst you were the one who nearly drove it to madness. The facts on the ground have changed, and trying to restore the status quo ante bellum permanently is impossible and foolish.

France will accept that, but in that case the responsibility of protecting the autonomy and integrity of German states and Netherlands will move completely to the other members of the concert and France will not partake in any efforts concerning Germany or Netherlands after such decision.

Essentially, "do what I say, or else". Why is Prussia not surprised.

Statement from The Duke of Wellington

We welcome the policing action of the French army in restoring order. It has our wholehearted support. We are concerned by the belicose stance of Prussia and hope that such expansionist policies will cease immediately.

I am dismayed at the position of the United Kingdom. I would like to stress that Prussia's action most certainly is not expansionist; we stressed that a moderate, non-Great Power leader should ascend to the throne of the Grand Duchy, and we suggested the Duke of the tiny state of Anhalt. The Prussian government is convinced that Luxemburg, with it's German population, and in order to restore stability to the region, has to be ruled by a German prince. To say otherwise is to merely stave off this crisis for another day.

[Kagemusha]

Non Monsier. You still dont understand that you are not in any position to suggest rulers over Dutch holdings.That is the bottom line and i cant understand your continuos talk about Luxembourg and its German population.In matter of fac the majority of Luxembourgians talk French, but that does not change the fact that Luxembourg is part of Netherlands and Prussia does not have a say about the rule of anything inside the Dutch domain.

[Subotan]

Luxemburg City (The area you have occupied, and I am asking you to share the occupation with) is predominantly German, whereas the country to the West is dotted with French-speakers. Regardless, none of them are Dutch, so it is clear that Protestant, Dutch King would not be able to maintain control of the region.

And as I have stated before, we have a say when your actions lead to riots within Prussia, regardless of whether you say so or not.

[Kagemusha]

Luxemburg City (The area you have occupied, and I am asking you to share the occupation with) is predominantly German, whereas the country to the West is dotted with French-speakers. Regardless, none of them are Dutch, so it is clear that Protestant, Dutch King would not be able to maintain control of the region.

And as I have stated before, we have a say when your actions lead to riots within Prussia, regardless of whether you say so or not.

Since when does nationality have had anything to do with Kingdoms? Are you suggesting that Austria should be dismantled also as it is comprised of several nationalities? About the problems in your domain.Dont blame me if your people are unhappy being subjects of Prussia.

[Subotan]

Certainly not! Do not put policy into Prussia's mouth! All of the Habsburgian Peoples in Austria all appreciate their Emperor, and admire his rule. The people in Luxemburg are not happy though. They resent the rule of a foreign King who does not have the legitimacy or the authority to rule them, and who can only remain in control with desperate pleas for help from foreign troops. Had the Dutch wanted to restore authority to a constituent member of the German Confederation, they would have been better using Federal troops, or a condominium between Prussia and France.

Second, as I have said, Catholic Prussians are rioting for two reasons. One is their status as second class citizens, which I have corrected. The other is France's actions towards fellow German Catholics in Luxemburg. You sparked the disturbance, and I must intervene to preserve the stability of the Prussian state.

You seem to be confusing my two separate proposals, one of which is short term, and the other which is long term.

1. My first is that you withdraw 3/4 of your army, to leave a force of 10,000 French soldiers in Luxemburg, whilst I will send a total of 10,000 Confederate soldiers to maintain stability in the fortress and surrounding region. As I have said before, Luxemburg is a state of the Confederation, and the use of non-Confederate, non-Dutch troops to restore order is grossly insulting to all members of the Confederation, as well as the Luxemburgers.

1a. The other reason why I want us to share the occupation is because French control of the Gibraltar of the North is deeply unsettling to Prussia, and we are very concerned that such a strategic point should come under unilateral, non-neutral control. Dutch troops are not in a position to retake control of the fortress at this moment in time, so in order to restore the international balance of power and reassure the Concert, the occupation must be shared.

I can see no reason to dispute the above suggestions. The proposals are tempoary, and do nothing to compromise the interests of France. To refuse is to reveal plans to permanently occupy Luxemburg.

2. This brings me to my next point; the long term solution to this crisis. The revolt occurred because of Dutch intervention into France, and fears of Protestant oppression, yes? Thus as long as a Dutch King rules Luxemburg, there will be no peace. We are open to anyone ruling Luxemburg, so long as they politically moderate. Our original choice, Leopold of Ansbach, was short sighted, as Leopold is Protestant, but a Catholic noble would be an ideal Grand Duke of Luxemburg. Prussia also recommends that a German Noble is also the one chosen to rule over the predominately German population. We welcome suggestions of the international community for nominations.

[Kagemusha]

Well thank you for proving us right. By stating that Dutch King does not have legitimacy to rule them is direct attack against the Concert, as it is the Concert who gave him legitimacy to rule over Luxembourg. By denying that you are violating the Concert and its authority. Also you do not have any authority to send German confederations troops anywhere as you do not rule German confederacy. Last it is still internal affair of Netherlands to decide who will rule Luxembourg. So your suggestions are illegimite to begin with.

[Subotan]

So you disagree with my second proposition? That is fair enough, so long as I hear your proposal for bringing long term stability to the region.

But you disagree with my first? That is far more worrying and a much more dangerous attack on the authority of the Concert than my intervention into the Luxemburg Crisis. By refusing to temporarily share Luxemburg, you are making a stand which is totally incompatible with Prussian, Confederate and international interests. You actions are an incredible statement of hostility towards the Prussian state.

In the absence of a representative from the Confederation, we propose to use Prussian Troops nominally under the control of the Confederation, to spare smaller member of the Confederation and Austria the cost of deployment. We take this as our responsibility and duty, and we will evacuate jointly with French troops once a settlement is agreed.

[Kagemusha]

Cant you understand that i am not in any position to allow you to enter the lands of Netherlands.Only the Dutch King can allow you that and after your earlier comments i am most certain he will not allow it for you. Also you should consult the confederacy before telling that you will order their forces anywhere, as they are not very likely to obey you after your remarks of sending them where you please.

Also dont blame me from hostility towards Prussian state.I was building a friendship with your predecessor which was progressing nicely, but as you took over. It was you who decided to as your first act to attack France verbally and use propaganda efforts against France to show our peace keeping operation as an invasion. Another affair you have only yourself to blame.

[Master Magic Mage]

That the Prussian monarch suggests changing the borders of Europe, while at the same time stating that they are promoting stability, contradicts the noble sovereign. Simply because the populace of Luxembourg is predominantly German, it does not justify blatantly robbing it of the Dutch King and handing it a Prussian Puppet. If we were to take such a view on these things, then maybe the french should grant it's lawful land in Alsace and Lorraine, which are 'German' to another Prussian noble! The idea of it goes against the Concert, and the Prussians should accept as such.

Charles Felix

[Subotan]

There are not enough players in the game for me to consult the Confederacy (Which I'm not sure even exists, after the establishment of the Frankfurt assembly), so I am acting on my own initiative for convenience. Regardless, the effect would still be the same, as the Confederate troops would be the same as Prussian troops. Luxemburg is a state of the Confederacy, and it is the duty of the Confederacy to intervene. Semantics isn't going to get you anywhere.

And, as I have said many times before, the Dutch King has lost control of the situation. He hasn't even responded to our debate. Besides, you're the one controlling the fortress!

It is easy to spin a nice friendship with words, but is actions which count. The original occupation itself was not very controversial, but it is your refusal to share the occupation of such an important castle which worries the Prussian state, and would have worried King Csargo.

@Sardinia.

We are dismayed to hear that you do not agree with our second proposition, as Prussia sincerely believes it is the only way to bring peace to the region. A German, non-Prussian ruler (Maybe an Austrian noble?) would most certainly not be a puppet of Prussia, and we are disappointed that you have come to that conclusion when we have stressed so much that Luxemburg must be independent of Great Power control. What would be your proposal to restore peace to the area?

We would also like to hear your opinion on our first proposition, i.e. the tempoary sharing of the occupation in a condominium with France.

[Master Magic Mage]

A rather simple proposal: Retaining Luxembourg under the Dutch King. The matter of the Occupant forces should be Decided by the Honourable Dutch Monarch. Perhaps the French could assist their fellow sovereign by conscripted a local, yet dutch, force to garrison the Fortress, until stability has returned.

[Kagemusha]

There are not enough players in the game for me to consult the Confederacy (Which I'm not sure even exists, after the establishment of the Frankfurt assembly), so I am acting on my own initiative for convenience. Regardless, the effect would still be the same, as the Confederate troops would be the same as Prussian troops. Luxemburg is a state of the Confederacy, and it is the duty of the Confederacy to intervene. Semantics isn't going to get you anywhere.

And, as I have said many times before, the Dutch King has lost control of the situation. He hasn't even responded to our debate. Besides, you're the one controlling the fortress!

It is easy to spin a nice friendship with words, but is actions which count. The original occupation itself was not very controversial, but it is your refusal to share the occupation of such an important castle which worries the Prussian state, and would have worried King Csargo. Considering Franco - Prussian relationship. Prussian rulers propaganda and verbal attacks against France wont certainly help building good relations between the two countries.

@Sardinia.

We are dismayed to hear that you do not agree with our second proposition, as Prussia sincerely believes it is the only way to bring peace to the region. A German, non-Prussian ruler (Maybe an Austrian noble?) would most certainly not be a puppet of Prussia, and we are disappointed that you have come to that conclusion when we have stressed so much that Luxemburg must be independent of Great Power control. What would be your proposal to restore peace to the area?

We would also like to hear your opinion on our first proposition, i.e. the tempoary sharing of the occupation in a condominium with France.

OOC: Consult Franc when he returns.He playes all the other factions that are not player controlled.

France greets and supports the proposal of Sardinia.Dutch King should decide the affairs of Dutch domain. We are happy that both Britain and Sardinia can understand this issue correctly.

[Subotan]

A rather simple proposal: Retaining Luxembourg under the Dutch King. The matter of the Occupant forces should be Decided by the Honourable Dutch Monarch. Perhaps the French could assist their fellow sovereign by conscripted a local, yet dutch, force to garrison the Fortress, until stability has returned.

There are no Dutch in the area to conscript, and by the sounds of it, the Dutch King will be lucky to have Limburg under his control, let alone Luxemburg.

OOC: Consult Franc when he returns.He playes all the other factions that are not player controlled.

Thanks I have done so

France greets and supports the proposal of Sardinia.Dutch King should decide the affairs of Dutch domain. We are happy that both Britain and Sardinia can understand this issue correctly.

Nothing more than a foolish attempt to turn back the clock.

[Kagemusha]

To Prussia,

You are only digging yourself a deeper hole with your unlawfull comments. It has become clear that you have no respect for Concert of Europe and its decisions and you should be treated accordingly.

[Subotan]

I fail to see how the comments made by just Britain and Sardinia constitute the will of the Concert, especially seeing as how your Dutch King has not commented, and neither have the Austrians, or the Russians.

[Kagemusha]

Well im quite sure we will find out sooner or later. You just continue attacking the influence and authority of Concert meanwhile.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I am saddened to say I will resign my position as Austrian Kaiser 2 days after Chapter 14 is released. I also be leaving the forum that particular day also. I can't take much more of this wrist pain, and since this is summer vacation and I am not required by school to use the computer now, I have no need to come on anymore and quite frankly, I'm lost interest in this IH.

I stay on for the remainder of this chapter, then I am resigning after 14 long chapters, almost 2 full years to a role that was close to my heart.

[Kagemusha]

Thank you for playing with us , while i have only played this one only for a while. Also thank you for all your contributions to Chapter house in general.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Thank you for playing with us , while i have only played this one only for a while. Also thank you for all your contributions to Chapter house in general.

It was fun having you as a IH host Kagemusha, and even though we will play with each other for 2 chapters (13 and 14), it was fun playing with everyone here and trust me, I will go out with a bang .

[Prince Cobra]

It was fun having you as a IH host Kagemusha, and even though we will play with each other for 2 chapters (13 and 14), it was fun playing with everyone here and trust me, I will go out with a bang .

OOC: Although I perfectly realise Warman retires from active rule, he stays Kaiser Franz. I will still rule as Metternich. He's been a nice partner and that's my way to thank him.

P.S. Now I concentrate on reading the declarations

[Prince Cobra]

Gentlemen,

I see the whole quarrel for Luxemburg as a big misunderstanding. I see the new Prussian Prime minister believes the French must be blamed for the unrest in Rheinland. Few would agree with such a conclusion. We should not blame the Prime minister of Prussia but look somewhere else. And the reports of the Austrian secret police lead to one conclusion. There are few but well organized groups of terrorists and anarchists and people who try to spread discontent between the European Great powers. These people, though atheists themselves, stay behind the rebellion in Rheinland and in Brussels as well as behind the unrest in the Southern German states. Now these people have taken control in Frankfurt, Brussels and Rheinland manipulating the mobs. Their purpose: to destroy the old order and the monarchies, to sink Europe into blood and destruction so that the radical elements can take over. These have misled the new Prussian minister and are secretly triumphing. But I hope the European monarchs will not allow them triumph.

First, we should continue our efforts in Brussels and Luxemburg. I need to explain to the Prussian King that the crushing of the uprising was done by request of the Duke of Luxemburg, who is also a King of the Dutch, (with the consent of Austria and Prussia). I would say this represents the solidarity principle and that is: the monarchs should help each other against the revolutionary threat. Such things have been done before and they are done now, naturally. I really doubt France would try to keep the occupied lands for herself. And Prussia should not feel threatened. Of course, the rebellious elements I mentioned above try to encourage such rumours and with the power of their speeches they lure the innocent and naïve souls to a mortal sin: the rebellion against their master.

In order to sum up these thoughts, the evil is neither in France, nor in Prussia or anywhere else but rather in those dark powers who control (by skillfully manipulating the mobs) in Belgium, Rheinland, Hessen and Frankfurt right now. The Confederation exists, only the members of the Parliament have wisely ran from the chaos in Frankfurt and are somewhere in Southern Germany. In my home town, the beautiful city of Koblenz, in Rheinland, I saw what these terrorist encourage people to do thirty years ago. Hours, no – days and even weeks of plundering, rape and disorder. The envy and greed ruled and ruin only stayed. Now I hear the same is heard about Frankfurt and other areas controlled by the rebels in Rheinland and Brussels. The King of Prussia should not withdraw his trust from his representatives in the Confederation: the German Confederation is still the only legal base for the German lands. On a different matter, the current assembly in Frankfurt is made of illiterate mob and skilful manipulators, not even from whole of the Confederation but from the most radical elements in Rheinland and the rebels from Baden and Hessen. We have to move quickly and punish those, who deserve. We should give an example to the rebels that we determine the fate of Europe, not those anarchists and revolutionists and that our states lie not on a sand basis that can be destroyed by the blow of the slightest breeze but on a massive rock. I believe the big five: France, Great Britain, Prussia, Russia and Austria as well as the other smaller states should stop quarrelling and resist.

Klemens von Metternich, Chancellor of Austria

[Vladimir]

Metternich speaks true, as always. However, one wonders if the silence of the Dutch king is indicative of an affiliation with this threat.


Vladimir

[Prince Cobra]

He seems to avoid appearing in public and he has been politically inactive recently. I would make the brave assumption that the recent problems in his thriving state brought him to depression. I believe in his stregnth as a monarch and that he would soon take over the reins of his country once again. We all hope so.

[Kagemusha]

France congratulates Austria for having a such a chancellor! We agree that the great powers should work together to maintain order in Europe and we are glad to see that Russia agree´s with Austria. If indeed Prussia will withdraw its statements that France is to blame for the problems in Germany and regognices the Dutch King as the solem authority in affairs inside his domain. We are ready to leave behind this exchance of hostile words and start from a clean table in our diplomatic relationships with Prussia.

Louis-Philippe I, Royaume des Français

[Warluster]

The recent affairs within the states of this nation have dis-allowed me from appearing publicly. The storm of political problems has collapsed onto the state; and it seems, prolonged the rebellion of a select few.

A few things need to be made clear. As the wise Chancellor of Austria has stated, it was I, acting under my given and complete control of Luxembourg as the Grand Duke of Luxembourg, requested that French forces could possibly act as a police force within the city to ensure that no harm is brought to those who are not involved in this rebellion. I believe the French King has done this admirably, and I give many thanks. I also would like to point out the problems of having Luxembourg moved to a Prussian or French puppet; as it has been pointed out the countryside is French and the city is German so by having a neutral party rule does not cause political problems, as much.

I would also like to thank to the Prussian King for the high levels of concern which he shows for Europe and the German people. I assure you, like the care and attention we have shown the French population in Southern Belgium, or the German population in Eastern Holland, we will also treat the German population very respectfully in Luxembourg. The contribution of a Prussian Police Force, as was previously promised by the former and late King, would insure the continuing survival and care for these populations.

As for the rebellion in Brussels, we are quite certain that this is only a few who are acting rashly and violently. What the Belgian rebels seem not to realise, and we hope the Concert takes this statement into full account, but we are offering the Belgian Kingdom full independence and equality in a twin Belgian - Dutch Kingdom. Though the Royal House is currently dominated by Dutchmen, we would be forced to, if this offer of freedom is agreed to, take on many Belgian ministers. We are asking for the Belgian nation to make this a Dual Monarchy. We hope the Concert will help us enter negotiations with the Belgian rebels and present this, as it is the best solution and outcome. A possible international force of diplomats to negotiate would contribute hugely.

Sincerely,
King William,

[King Kurt]

I am saddened to say I will resign my position as Austrian Kaiser 2 days after Chapter 14 is released. I also be leaving the forum that particular day also. I can't take much more of this wrist pain, and since this is summer vacation and I am not required by school to use the computer now, I have no need to come on anymore and quite frankly, I'm lost interest in this IH.

I stay on for the remainder of this chapter, then I am resigning after 14 long chapters, almost 2 full years to a role that was close to my heart.

Warman
It is sad to hear that you will have to withdraw from this IH and the forum as a whole - your contributions will be sorely missed. I have always enjoyed your high levels of enthusiasm in this and other IHs and will miss your showers of PMs with ideas, questions or just chasing me for answers or orders. Hopefully some rest and medication will lead to you returning in the future. You have in your Metternich an able supporter and I am sure PC will continue in his excellent historical style. I hope you will continue to pop in occasionaly just to read what is happening.

The art of these IHs is reading the fellow players - you have always been active, a little headstrong, full of ideas - the occasional one quite good!! and have always tried to act in line with the historic character you portray. But most of all, you have always been a true ally when needed and in times of need that has been the most impotant virtue of all.

Get well soon my friend - I hope to see you back on the boards soon.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Warman
It is sad to hear that you will have to withdraw from this IH and the forum as a whole - your contributions will be sorely missed. I have always enjoyed your high levels of enthusiasm in this and other IHs and will miss your showers of PMs with ideas, questions or just chasing me for answers or orders. Hopefully some rest and medication will lead to you returning in the future. You have in your Metternich an able supporter and I am sure PC will continue in his excellent historical style. I hope you will continue to pop in occasionaly just to read what is happening.

The art of these IHs is reading the fellow players - you have always been active, a little headstrong, full of ideas - the occasional one quite good!! and have always tried to act in line with the historic character you portray. But most of all, you have always been a true ally when needed and in times of need that has been the most impotant virtue of all.

Get well soon my friend - I hope to see you back on the boards soon.

[Vladimir]

I was doing a little research and happened upon this interesting little find:

http://www.amazon.com/Constantinople.../dp/0312187084

You can read the first chapter for free. Food for thought.

[King Kurt]

Happy Birthday to the Conductor of the Concert!!! I hope the family came up with a birthday cake Franc!!!