Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

**Pinman** · 06-24-2010, 00:26

I'll get straight to the point.

I am a Cornerian, but I also have a special ability. I have the ability to conduct a ship to ship scan. On Night 2, I scanned Beskar, and found him to be the illustrious and cunning Star Wolf himself.

I have the roles of several other people as well, I think its time to prove myself to a few people.

I was intending to monitor the situation for voting patterns, but the bandwagon on me has reached critical mass, leaving me no choice but to reveal what I know. Its fairly ironic that Beskar voted for me first.

As for the accusations against me, theres really very little I can say. With Beskar's lynch, and a presumed investigation of me tonight, you will know - if you wish to. Please understand that what you identify as mafia behaviour, is the way for anybody to survive.

Vote: Beskar

EDIT: When I say Star Wolf, I mean of course, Wolf O Donnell.

**TheFlax** · 06-24-2010, 00:38

Apparently I've also been scanned and Pinman told me exactly what role I had. (Though it was possible to guess, I'll give him the stay of execution he asks.)

Beskar, you've got some explaining to do my friend.

Unvote, Vote: Beskar

**Chaotix** · 06-24-2010, 00:48

GAH!

What is it with people killing me before the first few rounds have even passed by?

I mean, I know somebody has to get killed during those phases, and I don't mind it usually.

But when it happens in literally 6 of the last 7 games I have played in, that's pretty annoying. The only one where I survived for any reasonable amount of time was Star Wars...

Inishmore, Shadow Fort, Daggers, Beefdom, Bridge Zhou Far... and now Star Fox.

**Beskar** · 06-24-2010, 00:55

Originally Posted by Pinman

I'll get straight to the point.

I am a Cornerian, but I also have a special ability. I have the ability to conduct a ship to ship scan. On Night 2, I scanned Beskar, and found him to be the illustrious and cunning Star Wolf himself.

I have the roles of several other people as well, I think its time to prove myself to a few people.

I was intending to monitor the situation for voting patterns, but the bandwagon on me has reached critical mass, leaving me no choice but to reveal what I know. Its fairly ironic that Beskar voted for me first.

As for the accusations against me, theres really very little I can say. With Beskar's lynch, and a presumed investigation of me tonight, you will know - if you wish to. Please understand that what you identify as mafia behaviour, is the way for anybody to survive.

Interesting lie, it is quite ironic I revealed you as mafia first, and you now try to spin it on me with lies.

You are trying to purposefully reverse the situation because you been caught out and now you had to resort to lying to escape, quite pathetic.

Prepare to go to the afterlife.

**TheFlax** · 06-24-2010, 01:01

Until I am more convinced either way, I will simply Unvote

I suggest people don't jump the gun, but Pinman should be removed from the lead for now.

**Pinman** · 06-24-2010, 01:03

Flax - clear your messages.

**Chaotix** · 06-24-2010, 01:11

The way to resolve this situation is simple.

Beskar, if you are not Wolf, you now have to provide your real role to us.

We choose which one of them to believe. We lynch the other. If the one we lynch is not mafia as we suspect, we lynch the other one next round.

It's really, really simple. One of these players is a mafioso, because one of them is lying.

**Romanic** · 06-24-2010, 01:10

On one side we have Beskar accusing Pinman based on a somewhat suspicious post, but on the other side we have Pinman 1) claiming scanner 2) Revealing Beskar as Star Wolf 3) Confirming TheFlax's role to him.

One accusation is much stronger than the other. If we lynch Beskar and he wasn't Star Wolf, then we can lynch Pinman. On the other hand, if we lynch Pinman, we could lose a powerful role, and Beskar will be a tough lynch because he can argue his way out of it. After all his accusation was somewhat speculative.

The ghost of Falco says: Lynch Beskar!

**Beskar** · 06-24-2010, 01:18

Originally Posted by Romanic

On one side we have Beskar accusing Pinman based on a somewhat suspicious post, but on the other side we have Pinman 1) claiming scanner 2) Revealing Beskar as Star Wolf 3) Confirming TheFlax's role to him.

One accusation is much stronger than the other. If we lynch Beskar and he wasn't Star Wolf, then we can lynch Pinman. On the other hand, if we lynch Pinman, we could lose a powerful role, and Beskar will be a tough lynch because he can argue his way out of it. After all his accusation was somewhat speculative.

The ghost of Falco says: Lynch Beskar!

It is a false claim from Pinman, I could tell you who theFlax is based on his posts alone. I could come and claim investigator myself, and tell TheFlax privately what his role is, and be seen as the shining knight. Want me to privately say it to TheFlax then he comes in here going "Beskar is right!" ? I mean, the odds are pretty 50/50% he is either is a Cornerian or a Vemon.

He is trying to back out of it, because not only me, but others have picked up on his scumtells. It is always the typical lame mafia move to "claim investigator" (See Psychonaut in Shadowfort, Sigurd in Netherworld, other many examples).

Also, there wouldn't be anyone to investigate Pinman anyway, even then, they couldn't even reveal it, could they? "Oh, I investigated Pinman, he is one of the mafia!", Pinman gets killed, the Big Bad kills that revealed investigator. It is a fishing technique, I wouldn't recommend some one to fall for such an obvious trap.

Let's do it this way. We lynch Pinman, if he turns out to be some sort of special-role, then you can direct your attention on me. Also, there is also the fact StarWolf is infact a neutral along with the vemonians, who are working against the Big Bad... yeah, his claim is very weak attempt.

Source (Pizza's starting story):

Star Wolf managed to escape, and Wolf O'Donnell vowed revenge against whoever had attacked him, and denied O'Donnell his final victory over Star Fox.

As it seems to be a Rubicon set-up, Star Wolf would be the "Vemonian pro-town", so half the town wouldn't want to kill one of their own power-roles. On the otherhand, all the town want to take out the Big Bad and mafia, which Pinman most likely is.

**Cultured Drizzt fan** · 06-24-2010, 01:24

Originally Posted by Beskar

It is a false claim from Pinman, I could tell you who theFlax is based on his posts alone. I could come and claim investigator myself, and tell TheFlax privately what his role is, and be seen as the shining knight. Want me to privately say it to TheFlax then he comes in here going "Beskar is right!" ? I mean, the odds are pretty 50/50% he is either is a Cornerian or a Vemon.

He is trying to back out of it, because not only me, but others have picked up on his scumtells. It is always the typical lame mafia move to "claim investigator" (See Psychonaut in Shadowfort, Sigurd in Netherworld, other many examples).

Also, there wouldn't be anyone to investigate Pinman anyway, even then, they couldn't even reveal it, could they? "Oh, I investigated Pinman, he is one of the mafia!", Pinman gets killed, the Big Bad kills that revealed investigator. It is a fishing technique, I wouldn't recommend some one to fall for such an obvious trap.

Let's do it this way. We lynch Pinman, if he turns out to be some sort of special-role, then you can direct your attention on me. Also, there is also the fact StarWolf is infact a neutral along with the vemonians, who are working against the Big Bad... yeah, his claim is very weak attempt.

That actually makes sense to me. If Pinman is a actual special role we can Lynch Beskar tommorow easily enough.....

But the same could be said the other way around. Ugh.

Vote: abstain. I will wait and see which side convinces me.

**Beefy187** · 06-24-2010, 01:34

I like Romanics reasoning.
Its mafia games basic tactic to lynch the guy who Cop condemned then we lynch the Cop if he was wrong.

We have Flaxy backing up the cop claim.

Worrying point is the fact that Pinman is nothing more then a average Cornerian fighter and not some major character.
But knowing pizza and his kindness to give a fair chance to everyone who plays the game, it might be possible.

Anyway I say we lynch Beskar, then if its a bad lynch... Pinman

Unvote, Vote: Beskar

**landlubber** · 06-24-2010, 01:43

Unvote, Vote: Beskar.
If Pinman can tell at least one person what role they have, then he's got to be at least legit as a scanner. So, I think Beskar's our best option.