Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Secura]

Secura, was Beskar actually the scanner or not?

Beskar's claim to be a scanner were absolutely true; he was permitted to scan or vig-kill each night, as you may have guessed... the 1-2-1-2-1 systematic killing just happened randomly and I guess he decided to continue with it.

I didn't always trust in his judgement (I suggested a scan of Joooray rather than vig, for example), but at the end of the day, we had personal goals to pursue as well as a town victory and I fully understand why Beskar did what he did, especially as his own personal goal was the hardest of the Star Wolf members.

[Choxorn]

especially as his own personal goal was the hardest of the Star Wolf members.

Killing me? :p

[Secura]

Killing me? :p

[Death is yonder]

I wouldn't be so sure my feathered friend. It took you this long to accidentally stumble into killing me, much like my brother, the mighty pinman, by sheer luck. You incompetent cornerians couldn't even get Star Wolf right, WE had to do it for you. Pathetic. Think it's a coincidence ??? killed Fox? Foolish fools! You should know better then oppose Lord Andross. Falco, if you beg me nice enough, I may ask my Lord to make you a deal. Our Lord is a merciful one. Hopefully you won't outlive your usefulness like the last one.

Drone drone drone

We had you pegged many rounds ago already.

Surprised Guys?

Not really, after the shogun and gorgon droids appeared I suspected Androssian team was likely making play for the end game, it just wasn't substantial enough to propose it though.

I knew that was coming straight away, it was so transparantly obvious; perhaps now the peanut gallery will finally buck up and understand what Beskar and I have been saying all along... we're on your side.

Beskar is prohibited from posting, but he asked me to pass on a message; Andross is in the list of unscanned roles, so go back and look over them all, and go through them. Search their posts, find the inconsistencies and then lynch those lurking ********.

It may well seem like an impossible mission, what with Star Fox all dead and Star Wolf without their two leaders, but the game is still very much in your hands guys... you can still win.

Yes indeed, remember, I was never advocating lynching Beskar

One good thing that came out of all of that, was that now we have more in thread opinions to analyze. Androssian team would have likely realized that supporting Beskar in thread (IE: Skooma) would help gain them some credibility and maybe even a potential reprieve, or the reverse may be true. Anyway, the previous days after I started posting more substantially should be closely looked at as well.

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Anyway, I died doing good, that's good enough for me.

Go forth and bring the towns to victory then, Star Wolf team, the previous round was not a failure. Now nobody has reason to distrust you, you guys are verified neutrals. And we got Skooma out of all it too.

After the game I suppose I really want to know Beskar's motives for doing several things, which you can find reading our QT post-game.

That is all.

[naut]

Autolycus:
Role claimed. Voted by Mafia couple times. Non-gut-tweak posts.

Chaotix
Constantly voted obvious innocents. Not town.

civplayah
???

Cultured Drizzt Fan
Non-gut-tweak posts.

Diana Abnoba
Gut-tweak posts.

hell_hound
Constantly voted by Mafia.

Khazaar
Constantly voted by Mafia.

Nightbringer
Very scummy posting style.

TheFlax
???

Psychonaut
Scanned Town.

wideyedwanderer
Constantly voted by Mafia.

Yaseikhaan
Scanned Town.

[Diana Abnoba]

Vote: Chaotix

[Nightbringer]

I know you can't respond, but my position here was voting for Skooma. THE MAFIA!

Thanks for your thoughts on the voting patterns. It's clarified for me who the mafia is. WEW is not, he was quick to jump on the Pinman vote, before it turned into a wagon. Chaotix has constantly been voting innocents, and obvious innocents at that.

Vote: Chaotix

EVERY REMAINING CORNERIAN/VENOMIAN/STAR WOLF MEMBER VOTE CHAOTIX.

Second. Autolycus's claim could mean he's forged a cover PM, maybe not. It shouldn't be ignored. Nightbringer's posts are scummy as all that is holy, and thus I'm willing to paper over this for now.

Thirdly Diana Abnoba is also Andross. Boom. Done and dusted.

So we're back to calling me scummy? i was just confirmed as neutral like 2 rounds ago.
Anyway, my whole case is we can't ignore autolycus. Ever since the heat got off him he has gone quiet again. He ran in to post a faked role pm when targeted then drops off the board once the heat is off, stinks of scum to me. We should also note that only after almost getting everyone to lynch autolycus is the night Beskar finally gets killed. Maybe he got killed because he was on the right trail and the mafia is just hoping everyone will give up on it with star wolf gone. In any case, i think papering over the matter is the last thing we want.

[Nightbringer]

Nightbringer
Very scummy posting style.

And scanned venomian.
In any case, I guess I just have a scummy posting style, I don't know what it is, its probably because I'm new. But I'm venomian, secura can confirm that based on star wolfs scan result.

The mafia votes on autolycus does make the case against him weaker, but weren't those in the early game, when there was no real threat of him actually going. Maybe they were just trying to make him look innocent? idk

[Romanic]

Autolycus' claim has to be legit.

1) We know that General Pepper should be in the game.

2) We know, from Skooma, that neutrals can be converted (Skooma was previously scanned neutral, but he turned out to be Rock Crusher). Therefore neutrals can be converted. Therefore autolycus' claim that he's protecting Cornerians from being converted makes a lot of sense.

You cannot risk killing someone who might be protecting the remaining Cornerians from being converted. What a mess it will be if you do!! Cornerians are confirmed townies, but it will change if we lose Pepper.

****

Our best bet for now is to lynch Chaotix. He was marked as a lynch target last turn by Beskar, and he claimed Venomian.

[Romanic]

Here's a list of the remaining players, with the scan status from Beskar's posts from yesterday:


Autolycus - ?Claimed General Pepper? - Unscanned
Chaotix - ?Claimed Venomian? - Unscanned
civplayah - Scanned Venomian
CDF - Scanned Venomian
Diana - Scanned Venomian
hell_hound - WOG bait, has not voted for 2 days - Unscanned
Khazaar - Scanned Venomian - [scanned neutral by AA on Night 7]
Nightbringer - Scanned Venomian - Claimed Venomian
Psychonaut - Scanned Cornerian
TheFlax - Scanned Venomian
Wideyedwanderer - ?Claimed Cornerian? - Unscanned - - [scanned not neutral by AA on Night 2]
Yaseikhaan - Scanned Cornerian - [scanned not neutral by AA on Night 5]

*****

So 4 unscanned players left. Lynching Chaotix is consistent with what Beskar asked us to do (lynch unscanned players).

Other unscanned are: Autolycus (good roleclaim), hell_hound (WOG bait) and wew (claimned Cornerian).

Chaotix is definitely our best lynch if we want to stick to unscanned players.

[autolycus]

Psychonaut's analysis seems right to me. Unvote, vote: Chaotix

[naut]

So we're back to calling me scummy? i was just confirmed as neutral like 2 rounds ago.
Anyway, my whole case is we can't ignore autolycus. Ever since the heat got off him he has gone quiet again. He ran in to post a faked role pm when targeted then drops off the board once the heat is off, stinks of scum to me. We should also note that only after almost getting everyone to lynch autolycus is the night Beskar finally gets killed. Maybe he got killed because he was on the right trail and the mafia is just hoping everyone will give up on it with star wolf gone. In any case, i think papering over the matter is the last thing we want.

And scanned venomian.
In any case, I guess I just have a scummy posting style, I don't know what it is, its probably because I'm new. But I'm venomian, secura can confirm that based on star wolfs scan result.

The mafia votes on autolycus does make the case against him weaker, but weren't those in the early game, when there was no real threat of him actually going. Maybe they were just trying to make him look innocent? idk

Crazy logic aside Nightbringer. You're just making yourself look scummier. So switch your vote to Chaotix, the Mafia.

[Romanic]

@Psychonaut

Pinman's votes: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar.

Skooma's votes: Double A, dead player*, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, miotas.
(* civplayah, but his first role, not the current one. He's currently replacing winston)

How can you say that hell_hound and Khazaar are constantly voted by the mafia? I can't find a single vote for them by the 2 confirmed Androssians.

[Nightbringer]

[QUOTE=Psychonaut;2526047]
Oh, I missed the whole skooma scanned as neutral so we know people can be converted thing. That makes what people are saying make a lot more sense.
I hate the idea of voting for someone when some1 explicatively says "switch your vote to Chaotix," but its clear to me that autocylus is a bad choice at this point
unvote
I'm still not convinced about Chaotix though. There doesn't seem to be much of a case against him so far and WEW has been called up as possible scum for a long time now without being scanned, its a tough pick

[naut]

autocylus is still very scummy in my opinion, and with no one giving evidence of his authenticity he is my top candidate.
vote: autocylus
WEW sounds like a decent choice as well though, and my vote will of course switch if i hear a scan report on autocylus confirming his identity

but its clear to me that autocylus is a bad choice at this point

LOL. In the course of a few hours you go 180 degrees on auto. You're the other mafia.

[naut]

@Psychonaut
How can you say that hell_hound and Khazaar are constantly voted by the mafia? I can't find a single vote for them by the 2 confirmed Androssians.

I'm writing this on the fly, so my trains of thought are almost certainly getting muddled. I appreciate the double-checking and input though, helps with this hunt.

Pinman's votes: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar.

Skooma's votes: Double A, dead player*, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, miotas.
(* civplayah, but his first role, not the current one. He's currently replacing winston)

How can you say that hell_hound and Khazaar are constantly voted by the mafia? I can't find a single vote for them by the 2 confirmed Androssians.

Unlikely WEW is Mafia. Likely Auto is not either. So, Nightbringer's two targets for lynch today are likely innocents. Hmmm.

[wideyedwanderer]

Very well then. I stand corrected. Unvote, Vote: Chaotix.

[wideyedwanderer]

I know you can't respond, but my position here was voting for Skooma. THE MAFIA!

Thanks for your thoughts on the voting patterns. It's clarified for me who the mafia is. WEW is not, he was quick to jump on the Pinman vote, before it turned into a wagon. Chaotix has constantly been voting innocents, and obvious innocents at that.

Vote: Chaotix

EVERY REMAINING CORNERIAN/VENOMIAN/STAR WOLF MEMBER VOTE CHAOTIX.

Second. Autolycus's claim could mean he's forged a cover PM, maybe not. It shouldn't be ignored. Nightbringer's posts are scummy as all that is holy, and thus I'm willing to paper over this for now.

Thirdly Diana Abnoba is also Andross. Boom. Done and dusted.

If she's Andross, why are we voting for Chaotix? I was thinking she was part of Star Wolf. Can any members of Star Wolf verify this?

Vote: Chaotix

Interesting vote...right after Psychonaut accuses you of being Andross.

[autolycus]

I think Psychonaut was saying that Diana is part of Team Andross at this point. She was scanned venomian at some point, so she didn't start out that way. We think Chaotix is Andross himself.
I'm mildly entertained that I seem to have wound up really playing my role. Well-intentioned, but not really getting much done without extensive help from people outside the system. Although this time it seems to be Star Wolf more than Star Fox.

[Romanic]

If she's Andross, why are we voting for Chaotix? I was thinking she was part of Star Wolf. Can any members of Star Wolf verify this?

First, dead Star Wolf members cannot answer this without breaking the rules. Second, a living Star Wolf member will be immediately targeted by Andross if they reveal in the game thread.

I'm sure Star Wolf members know better, but just in case: Don't answer this question

Which side are you Wideyed?

At this point we don't want to force a role reveal from any Star Wolf player. Haven't you seen three pro-town power roles die last night?

[Choxorn]

Also, it wouldn't prove anything even if some guy said "Hai everyone, I'm Star Wolf, and Diana is Star Wolf", because there would be no way to prove that he wasn't lying- There's more Androssians than Star Wolf Members right now, sadly.

But for now, lynch either Chaotix or WEW, please. Leave hell hound alone, he's just going to get WoG'ed anyway. Some others like Diana are certainly suspicious, but they can wait. The others we can deal with later. Star Wolf, I hope you guys have some kind of abilities left that can be used to fight the Androssians, or we're screwed.

[Nightbringer]

LOL. In the course of a few hours you go 180 degrees on auto. You're the other mafia.

You did a lot of work to convince me of autolycus and as soon as you convince me you call that proof that i'm scum? I even specifically said in the first post you quoted that if i heard about the scan i would switch, so i heard about the scan, then i switched.

Whatever, you'll probably call this further proof but everyone seems quite sure of chaotix so ill go with that.

I was just trying to ask what the case against chaotix is...

[Nightbringer]

double post to keep vote on chaotix valid
vote: chaotix

[Secura]

Star Wolf, I hope you guys have some kind of abilities left that can be used to fight the Androssians, or we're screwed.

We have a few tricks up our sleeves yet... :P

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Chaotix

[TheFlax]

I should have done this in my post earlier.

Vote: Chaotix

[wideyedwanderer]

First, dead Star Wolf members cannot answer this without breaking the rules. Second, a living Star Wolf member will be immediately targeted by Andross if they reveal in the game thread.

I'm sure Star Wolf members know better, but just in case: Don't answer this question

Which side are you Wideyed?

At this point we don't want to force a role reveal from any Star Wolf player. Haven't you seen three pro-town power roles die last night?

Why can't Secura answer the question? She's already dead and hasn't been barred from posting. If she says Diana isn't one of theirs, then boom, we lynch her.

[Chaotix]

wideyed was confirmed innocent? Well, I need to pay more attention to the aspects of this game that are not Star Wolf.

Unvote, Vote: autolycus

Believing that claim less and less now.

Also, lynch me if you want, but you basically ensure the doom of the town by doing so. However scummy you may find my posting style to be (which is more or less the same as it is usually), the fact remains I'm just vanilla Venomian. I stand by my previous votes so far, except those that I've changed due to not being informed (my own fault).

[pevergreen]

Why can't Secura answer the question? She's already dead and hasn't been barred from posting. If she says Diana isn't one of theirs, then boom, we lynch her.

Because if shes dead, she shouldn't be revealing stuff like that.

Have you people no ethics?

[wideyedwanderer]

Because if shes dead, she shouldn't be revealing stuff like that.

Have you people no ethics?

My mistake.