Star Fox- Lylat Wars [Concluded]

[Secura]

Ha, we knew it... first Winston was lurky as hell (both in-thread and our QuickTopic), then civplayah replaced him and acted the exact same way.

Beskar and I had been thinking that we needed to take down Andrew for the past week or two, citing the whole Andrew-Andross connection... but it became difficult to voice such an opinion when he was privy to the QuickTopic and constantly watching it, and we were banned from private communication; t'was a really nice Pizza-twist to the game and quite a nice way to screw Star Wolf over. :P

I was also suspicious of TheFlax, considering we investigated him right at the start of the game; I think Beskar should have listened to Diana on that one, she had his card marked for the past few weeks, though it seems that once the net began to close in on the Androssian team, civplayah reported this to his cohorts and the Star Wolf cull began.

Town needs to read back through the thread, find the investigation results provided by Beskar and make the right decision; Star Wolf can't help anymore. :3

[Death is yonder]

Nicely done folks

Our late trust was not misplaced

[autolycus]

Diana, why do you think there are two left? Gorgon's the only one I see remaining based on write-ups. Regardless, if there are two left, I think you're right that they're almost certainly khazaar and nightbringer, and if there's one left, it's one of them. It's theoretically possible that WEW was converted night 1, but somehow I'm not betting on it. Nightbringer's obsession for a while with me not being in the game, when I showed up in over a third of the day write-ups tips the balance for me. If only one of he and Khazaar is Androssian, it's him.
vote:nightbringer

[Romanic]

Good job Star Panther!

Let's go back again to the bad guys votes:

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(living players are highlighted in red)

merciary/Chaotix : abstain, civplayah, no vote, no vote, no vote, hell_hound, Khazaar, wideyedwanderer, no vote, Beskar, Beskar, autolycus

Winston/civplayah: JHT, civplayah, no vote, no vote, Beefy, Khazaar, no vote, no vote, pevergreen, no vote, Chaotix

Pinman: no lynch, autolycus, wideyedwanderer, Beskar

Skooma: Double A, civplayah, wideyedwanderer, abstain, Beefy, Beefy, Frozen in Ice, Nictel, Krill, pevergreen, Miotas

TheFlax: no lynch, Renata, Krill, Pinman, Seon, Beefy, Khazaar, Diana, Krill, pevergreen, ATPGood, Chaotix

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On Day 7, three Androssians, including Andross himself voted for Khazaar and the final tally was Frozen in Ice 10, Khazaar 6. That makes it unlikely that Khazaar was mafia on day 7, but it does not exclude the possibility that he was converted later.

Because of that, I see Nightbringer, the other Venomian left, as a better lynch target. I say vote Nightbringer.

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Nightbringer can't be Gorgon people. Start off with Khazaar this round.

That is all.

[Romanic]

Hmmm, Nightbringer was apparently scanned on Night 10 by Beskar and confirmed Venomian (see Post 1472)

The first kill by Gorgon & Shogun also happened on Night 10, so I guess CDF is right. Nightbringer cannot be Gorgon.

[autolycus]

Ok, so if there's one left, it can't be Nightbringer, because he's not Gorgon. In order for wideyedwanderer to be bad, he'd have to either have been bad from the start or have been converted night 1, since he was non-neutral as of night 2. And Pinman was converted early in the game or started out bad, because we lynched him early. Seems clear enough. khazaar must have been converted after he was scanned as neutral (night 7)
unvote: vote: khazaar

[Secura]

Good job Star Panther!

Oy, we're still Star Wolf. :P

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Oy, we're still Star Wolf. :P

Yeah guys, I was only leader for about one round before being nuked. I know Panther is awesome and everything, but you have to give credit to the real brains of our team.

[wideyedwanderer]

Lynch Khazaar now!!! Khazaar and Nightbringer are the only mafia left (both of them are venomian recruits).

We can win town, if all townies lynch Khazaar. Everyone MUST vote the same person, for us to win. This takes away their kill for tonight I'm thinking (being recruits they have to have 2 to make a kill). So townies if you do this, there shouldn't be any kills on the next night phase.

* feels so good to be able to really talk, it was driving me crazy keeping such a low profile*

Yes Mr. Star Pig sir. Sorry for doubting you earlier. Vote: Khazaar

[Romanic]

Ok, so if there's one left, it can't be Nightbringer, because he's not Gorgon.

I think there's two Androssians left, don't be too quick to dismiss Nightbringer. It's not because we don't hear about them in the writeups that they are not around. Remember Rock Crusher (Skooma) was killed without killing anyone.

[Nightbringer]

I think there's two Androssians left, don't be too quick to dismiss Nightbringer. It's not because we don't hear about them in the writeups that they are not around. Remember Rock Crusher (Skooma) was killed without killing anyone.

Almost the entire game people have being calling me mafia. after being scanned as venomian i was trusted for all of one round. I realize people have been converted and that it is possible i am one of them but i just NEVER seem to get a break with being called scum. (although somehow im still alive, which makes it kind of fun XD). after the game is over can someone please tell me what i do that is SO scummy ALL the time
(im not at all upset, just kind of confused by it) :)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Oy, we're still Star Wolf. :P

You're both wrong.... now you're either Star Pig...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

or star dust!

[autolycus]

I have decided that the best way to honour our fallen heroes is to emulate them. Henceforth, the Cornerian Defence Forces shall be known as Star Dog!!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Too bad the Anglars aren't here....

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

then we might have a group called Star Fish.

[Diana Abnoba]

Yes, funny honey, we are all Star Dust now.

Khazaar was converted earlier (like night 7) than Nightbringer (only 2 nights ago- night 10). They are the only venomians left, so the only ones recruited and converted. So just pick Khazaar today (all townies must vote only one, so mafia can't out vote the town), then, if I'm right, there shouldn't be any kills tonight, then lynch Nightbringer the next day phase, and we win.

[Secura]

there shouldn't be any kills tonight, then lynch Nightbringer the next day phase, and we win.

I think there could be one more kill left in these guys...

[Diana Abnoba]

We shall see, either way we need to lynch Khazaar today.

[Romanic]

Almost the entire game people have being calling me mafia. after being scanned as venomian i was trusted for all of one round. I realize people have been converted and that it is possible i am one of them but i just NEVER seem to get a break with being called scum. (although somehow im still alive, which makes it kind of fun XD). after the game is over can someone please tell me what i do that is SO scummy ALL the time
(im not at all upset, just kind of confused by it) :)

I can't speak for others, but I never read you much scummy. I thought that you were member of Star Wolf for a while, until last night when the complete group was revealed.

Now it's not a matter of looking scummy or not, but simple logic. We know that General Pepper is protecting the Cornerians from being converted, so with 2 venomians left and probably 2 Androssians left, you are a prime suspect, and you would be even if you looked pro-town the whole game.

[naut]

I said there was something off about his reveal. It just didn't make any real sense for a Star Wolf member to reveal themselves like that.

[naut]

So. The lynch targets. Which is which?

Auto: remake20 (second), Nictel (only), shlin28 (third), Pinman (middle), hell_hound (only), Khazaar (only),
Frozen (third), ATPGood (third), Chaotix (middle)

Voted by Pinman once

Khazaar: remake (first), Beefy (second), GE (only), ArpeggiateTHIS (only), Double A (only), Diana (only), ATPGood (end)

Voted by Diana, both can't be Mafia. Voted by Auto, both can't be Mafia. Voted by Chaotix, decent innocence claim.

WEW: civplayah (middle), JHT (only), Pinman (second), Seon (end), Khazaar (third), landlubber (first), abstain, Beskar (second), Chaotix (middle)

Voted by Nightbringer, both can't be Mafia. VOTED BY ALL THREE MAFIA IN SAME ROUND. Voted Khazaar, both can't be Mafia.

I get the sense that Auto is lying. Venomian PMs have an ambiguous part alluding to their recruitability. Cornerian role PMs don't. Why would a single person protect the ENTIRE TOWN, in such a unusual way. Now, that said, ATPG's games aren't ordinary by any stretch of the imagination. Looking at the final three suspects. WEW is pretty much innocent. There's nothing much to it. And it's a 50/50 split between Auto and Khazaar. One of them is, the other ain't. My shogun blast technique worked last round. Spray some accusations and a couple will stick. This, this needs delicate hands.

Then again. Auto has been consistent. So if he was converted then there should be some subtle differences from day 10 onwards. Khazaar has logged in, today infact. But, hasn't posted here. Mafia sweating it or simple townie?

[wideyedwanderer]

I have decided that the best way to honour our fallen heroes is to emulate them. Henceforth, the Cornerian Defence Forces shall be known as Star Dog!!

Orders received, General Pepper. But there aren't too many of us left...

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Khazaar

[naut]

Search of all Khazaar's Posts.

Now tell me this if you are Mafia looking to recruit who are you going to pick? An epic lurker like Khaz, who makes minimalistic posts like the above. Or someone with a bit of panache (no offence Kaz), like auto...

I think it's a fairly obvious choice here. We should be lynching auto, because he's lying. Skooma, Pinman and civplayah all made similar "plays" to try buy innocence. Pinman by claiming town investigator, civplayah by revealing his fake reveal during the night and Skooma, I forget what he did, but he tried something crafty too. So Auto's role claim fits in nicely with that style of play. Plus his reveal occurs when? Day 10, just after Gorgon appears.

He's full of it. We need to lynch Auto. Not Khaz. I place my honour on it. And here's my final bit of evidence. Shall we say the conclusion?

General pepper

Cornerian Defense Force

Why is "pepper" lower case? ATPG isn't that careless. He puts bucket loads of effort into his games, he's not going to leave a P for pepper uncapitalised. No. But, you know who would? Someone who needs to forge a role PM in a hurry. That's who.

auto is full of it. We lynch him today and it's done. Over. Finito. Va-va-voom. Bada-boom bada-bing. Eh. Eh. Yep.

Vote: autolycus

DO IT NOW! FOR ViCTORY AND FREEDOM FOR EVERYONE.

[seireikhaan]

Very well unvote, Vote: Autocylus

[naut]

Diana are there one or two Mafia left? Gorgon and who?

I can't find this second Mafia. There must only be one, balance wise that makes sense. Any more than 5 Mafia would make this game unbalanced and ATPG is a stickler for balance.

[naut]

Ugh. Must stop editing posts with votes in them. Can't have invalid posts at this critical stage.

Vote: autolycus

[Cultured Drizzt fan]

Diana are there one or two Mafia left? Gorgon and who?

I can't find this second Mafia. There must only be one, balance wise that makes sense. Any more than 5 Mafia would make this game unbalanced and ATPG is a stickler for balance.

If there is a second mafia, you guys might want to lynch Psychonaut. Especially if the attempt at getting the lynch off Khazaar works.

[Romanic]

What are you doing Psychonaut?

We know that General Pepper is in the game, every character listed in the first post was! Why would they all be and not General Pepper?

If someone else was General Pepper, he would have counter-claimed. Autolycus *IS* General Pepper!

His role claim also makes sense: So far we have seen two converted venomians: TheFlax and Skooma, who were both scanned before turning Androssians. We know that it's possible to convert Venomians, and if Autolycus claims that he protects Cornerians from being converted, I think it's legit.

Plus his reveal occurs when? Day 10, just after Gorgon appears.

It occured on Day 10 because he was ahead of the tally and had to save himself. And that's BEFORE Gorgon appeared on Night 10, not after.

And the capital "P" argument... er, it's possible that ATPG made a mistake on a single character. That's not enough to claim the role is fake.

If we lynch the wrong guy, we can lose instantly (4-2 now, then 2-2 next day, we lose).
Are you ready to gamble the game on autolycus, when at least three members of Star Wolf/Fox are telling you to lynch Khazaar?

[Romanic]

Very well unvote, Vote: Autocylus

khaan!!!

Move your vote back to Khazaar please! Don't listen to Psychonaut's ramblings!