Let's Play Guess the Faction! (With Maps!)

[Fisherking]

Here you go. This should tell you most of what you need to know.


Condensed from Wiki:


Sioux comprise three major divisions based on dialect and subculture:

Santee or Eastern Dakota residing in the extreme east of the Dakotas, Minnesota, and northern Iowa,


Yankton or Western Dakota residing in the Minnesota River area, they are considered to be the middle Sioux


Teton or Tetonwan and are often referred to as the Lakota the westernmost Sioux

The seven branches or "sub-tribes" of the Lakota are Sicangu, Oglala, Itazipco, Hunkpapa, Miniconjou, Sihasapa, and Ooinunpa.

Today, the Sioux maintain many separate tribal governments scattered across several reservations, communities, and reserves in the Dakotas, Minnesota, Nebraska, and also in Manitoba and southern Saskatchewan in Canada.


Map http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sioux01.png

[Sir Beane]

Thats pretty useful info Fisherking. I have to admit I know next to nothing about the history of North America, aside from vaguely remembered info taken from watching old Westerns.

It's actually nice to get to play a game set in a location that I know very little about. Seeing the various factions, towns and units should be an interesting experience for someone like me. Plus I have the advantage of not knowing how histroically (in)accurate it will all turn out to be

[Megas Methuselah]

But was that where they were in 1700? That info seems rather modern...

[Fisherking]

But was that where they were in 1700? That info seems rather modern...

You can read the article on the Sioux at wiki. It said they were first contacted in what is now Minnesota, which the Map shows.

The green is original areas they lived and the orange are reservations.

Their oral traditions tell of a great fight with the Chippewa and their being driven out. The Cheyenne tell almost the same story and even though they speak an Algonquin Language they were traditional allies.

(I have another map of America from E:TW but I lack the software to blow it up, If anyone wants it PM me and I will try to e-mail it to you)

[Obadiah]

Is anyone else unable to see the maps in the initial post? All I get is a small icon that reads "Bandwidth exceeded- upgrade to Pro today!". What type of graphic are maps? Not pdf's, I guess?

[Sir Beane]

Is anyone else unable to see the maps in the initial post? All I get is a small icon that reads "Bandwidth exceeded- upgrade to Pro today!". What type of graphic are maps? Not pdf's, I guess?

They were .png files, and unfortunately no one is able to see them. I was using photobucket to host the maps, but it seems I used all my bandwidth hosting screenshots for another thread. Until I can find a solution I'm afraid the maps and screenshots will be unavailable.

The factions lists are pretty accurate though, so at least that part of the post is still useful :)

[Obadiah]

Well - delete the other graphics, get the maps back? This is the most interesting thread!!

[Sir Beane]

Well - delete the other graphics, get the maps back? This is the most interesting thread!!

We are back in business! The maps are back up and running, this time hosted by Imageshack rather than Photobucket. Glad you like the thread

[Lokar]

This is probably just a mistake, but in the map labeled "The Whole Thing" there is a small gray colored (same color as North America) territory just west of the Caspian Sea. What is it?

[Fondor_Yards]

It's dam hard to tell, but in the beginning of the 3/5 trailer like 29 seconds in, you can see the city of Tarki. And according to glorious wikipedia, that was controlled by the Shamkhals at the start of the game, who controlled most of modern Daghestan.

[Sir Beane]

This is probably just a mistake, but in the map labeled "The Whole Thing" there is a small gray colored (same color as North America) territory just west of the Caspian Sea. What is it?

It's no mistake. It is definitely a faction, although I don't know which faction specifically. It isn't on the bigger map because the zoomed in map of Europe and India is not finished.

[Fisherking]

In the game map of America from the time of the Revolution that I have, you can see the French have a little spot in South America (French Gahanna ) but nothing in the north. However, there are two provinces colored very similar to the French, which is what I meant in a remark I made about shading, earlier. These could be a couple of tribes. Maybe Cherokee & Choctaw or some similar. There are also several other native factions shown. You can just make out that the British hold the Bahamas and Jamaica. The Spanish have also spread into the southwest.

The British province south of Hudson Bay has turned light green! So it is either native or Hudson Bay Company has formed its own faction. The British hold Florida while the Spanish hold Louisiana
and native factions appear on the bordures.

[Lokar]

It's dam hard to tell, but in the beginning of the 3/5 trailer like 29 seconds in, you can see the city of Tarki. And according to glorious wikipedia, that was controlled by the Shamkhals at the start of the game, who controlled most of modern Daghestan.

Good catch, I think you're right. Here's a snippet from wikipedia:

According to oral tradition, Tarki sits on the site of Samandar, the capital of Khazaria until the early 8th century. In 1396, Tamerlane passed through Tarki on a military campaign. In the late 15th century, Tarki became the capital of the Shamkhals who held sway in Dagestan until the early 18th century, when their territory contracted to a tiny strip of the Caspian shore.

The Shamkhals submitted to Russian authority more than once, first in the early 17th century, then during the Persian Expedition of Peter the Great and Persian Expedition of 1796. As early as 1559, Ivan the Terrible had a Russian fort constructed there. In 1668 the town was sacked by the Cossacks of Stepan Razin.

So they are the Shamkhals, and will be another obstacle to Russian expansion in the south. Must be why CA decided to include them. Anyway they're wedged between the Russians the Persians, which seems like a bad place to be lol.

[Sir Beane]

Nice find! Thanks Fondor_Yards and Lokar. Unfortunately I can't add it in to the OP because the province doesn't actually have a map reference. It's a shame the first map is unfinished.

The Shamkhals do look like they are in trouble, being sandwiched between two much larger nations.

[Sir Beane]

The new multiplayer trailer confirms that Savoy and Florence are in the game! I'm editing the OP to reflect this.

If you wonder how it confirms it watch the high def version and pause it when it scans over Italy and Southern France. Savoy is mentioned by name and you can see Florence's flag (incidentally the St George's Cross.)

[Meneldil]

This map actually makes me excited. After the disapointement that were RTW and MTW2, I trully hope the TW serie will once again reach my quality standards :D

Can't wait to kick the Brits out of the New world, either as France or the US.

Am I wrong or are many European states being represented as single provinces ?

[Sir Beane]

This map actually makes me excited. After the disapointement that were RTW and MTW2, I trully hope the TW serie will once again reach my quality standards :D

Can't wait to kick the Brits out of the New world, either as France or the US.

Am I wrong or are many European states being represented as single provinces ?

You aren't wrong. Provinces are country sized now. France is a single province, as is Spain, Portugal etc.

There will be multiple cities per province however, so the game should feel just as big and busy, if not busier, than before.

[Megas Methuselah]

There will be multiple cities per province however

I hope that really works out well...

[Sir Beane]

I hope that really works out well...

It should do. It looks good from the screenshots. And even with fewer provinces it means we will see an England which contains more than three cities. Countries like France get the worst of it really, it has gone from loads of provinces in Med 2 to one in Empire.

Plus it will be a nice tactical change if we can take entire countries with one big climatic battle, rather than lots of small inconsequwntial battles.

[Fisherking]

It should do. It looks good from the screenshots. And even with fewer provinces it means we will see an England which contains more than three cities. Countries like France get the worst of it really, it has gone from loads of provinces in Med 2 to one in Empire.

Plus it will be a nice tactical change if we can take entire countries with one big climatic battle, rather than lots of small inconsequwntial battles.

It may play out a little lopsided though. The Bahamas are a province, Spain is a province…will Russia also be a province?

[ConnMon]

I don't think you can just take a province with one battle. Maybe if I'm france and somebody takes a city, then the province is disputed territory. It'll be wierd. How will they manage the diplomatic 'Give Region' function? Will they even have it?

[Sir Beane]

Some places are more than one province. Russia for instance seems to be several.

I honestly have no idea how taking a single provoince country like France will work. Maybe in the final game France will be more than one province?

This is a feature of the game that will really be inpossible to understand until we have the game up in front of us and we have played for a while.

Still, not too long to wait atleast.

[Fisherking]

Still, not too long to wait atleast.

Oh yes it is! Much too long… an indeterminate amount of time; we have no exact release date.

It hurts so, and is so frustrating! We are all having dreams now, or is it becoming nightmares where we dream that we are playing but there is always something keeping us from succeeding.

It is intolerable, I tell you! Intolerable man. Something must be done!

Where did I put my laudanum???

[Sir Beane]

Oh yes it is! Much too long… an indeterminate amount of time; we have no exact release date.

It hurts so, and is so frustrating! We are all having dreams now, or is it becoming nightmares where we dream that we are playing but there is always something keeping us from succeeding.

It is intolerable, I tell you! Intolerable man. Something must be done!

Where did I put my laudanum???

CA have definitely done something involving mind control. I think I finally grasp the scope of their plans. They intend to drive their customers into an unholy range by never releasing the game, constantly building up expectations.

Once everyone has become mad with excitement and frustration they use their control to send us all on a massive rampage aimed at dethroning Her Majesty the Queen! All the talk of revolution in the games isn't just there for show!

We cannot let their plan succeed! I hope you brought enough laudanum for everyone.

[Fisherking]

CA have definitely done something involving mind control. I think I finally grasp the scope of their plans. They intend to drive their customers into an unholy range by never releasing the game, constantly building up expectations.

Once everyone has become mad with excitement and frustration they use their control to send us all on a massive rampage aimed at dethroning Her Majesty the Queen! All the talk of revolution in the games isn't just there for show!

We cannot let their plan succeed! I hope you brought enough laudanum for everyone.

Not…uh not just England…

Haave you seen dess…


http://www.dailyfortnight.com/world/43flockbirds.htm

[Sir Beane]

Not…uh not just England…

Haave you seen dess…


http://www.dailyfortnight.com/world/43flockbirds.htm

I'm not really sure what to think about that... who knew CA's reach extended all the way to the states, and to birds no less!

Clearly the hype around Empire has even reached the avian community. The skies are no longer safe! Hitchcock was right!

I advise everyone to stay inside their house, lock the doors and board up the windows. The bloody, feathery revolution is coming, and none of us shall be spared.

[Mithridates VI Eupator]

22. Florence (confirmed)

Are you sure about this?
I'd say that no. 22 is Genoa, while Florence would be no. 24, which is currently listed as Tuscany. The St. George's cross is Genoa's traditional symbol, if I'm not mistaken. (Might be Florence's symbol as well though, but I thought that was some flower or something).

Anyway; Very interesting thread, Sir Beane! Those maps look excellent.

[Sir Beane]

Are you sure about this?
I'd say that no. 22 is Genoa, while Florence would be no. 24, which is currently listed as Tuscany. The St. George's cross is Genoa's traditional symbol, if I'm not mistaken. (Might be Florence's symbol as well though, but I thought that was some flower or something).

Anyway; Very interesting thread, Sir Beane! Those maps look excellent.

The faction in question used a flag similar to Denmark's for land armies, but their ports seemed to feature a St George's cross (in the trailer I mean). So you could be right actually. Traditionally I think the flag was that of the Genoese navy, but I only remembered that recently. While I was writing the update I was under the impression that it was Florence who used that flag, but Wiki says no.

However I can't find any example of the Grand Duchy of Tuscany using either flag shown in the trailer. I was using a map of 1700's Europe to place the factions geographically, and Florence seemed best at the time.

To be honest the Italian states and the German states are small, complicated and confusing

I'll edit my OP to list 22 as Genoa.

[Megas Methuselah]

I provided this picture. It was me, and me alone.








Ok, fine. Fisherking played a small role. But only a small one.

[Sir Beane]

We're all very proud of you Meth .

Good pic, does it help any of those with knowledge of North America identify any factions? (I have no idea about American factions myself).