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    Angry Artist or Despicable Scumbag?

    You know, I can understand the perspective of the abortion rights people. They think a woman should have say over her body. For everything except abortion I'd agree, because I think an unborn baby is just as human no matter which side of the birth canal it's on.

    Remember in the US, we have abortion on demand up to the day the baby is born.

    Anyways, we have here a case of an 'art student' at Yale, which I formally thought had some sort of standards:

    http://www.yaledailynews.com/articles/view/24513
    For senior, abortion a medium for art, political discourse
    Martine Powers
    Staff Reporter
    Published Thursday, April 17, 2008

    Art major Aliza Shvarts '08 wants to make a statement.

    Beginning next Tuesday, Shvarts will be displaying her senior art project, a documentation of a nine-month process during which she artificially inseminated herself "as often as possible" while periodically taking abortifacient drugs to induce miscarriages. Her exhibition will feature video recordings of these forced miscarriages as well as preserved collections of the blood from the process.

    The goal in creating the art exhibition, Shvarts said, was to spark conversation and debate on the relationship between art and the human body. But her project has already provoked more than just debate, inciting, for instance, outcry at a forum for fellow senior art majors held last week. And when told about Shvarts' project, students on both ends of the abortion debate have expressed shock . saying the project does everything from violate moral code to trivialize abortion.

    But Shvarts insists her concept was not designed for "shock value."

    "I hope it inspires some sort of discourse," Shvarts said. "Sure, some people will be upset with the message and will not agree with it, but it's not the intention of the piece to scandalize anyone."

    The "fabricators," or donors, of the sperm were not paid for their services, but Shvarts required them to periodically take tests for sexually transmitted diseases. She said she was not concerned about any medical effects the forced miscarriages may have had on her body. The abortifacient drugs she took were legal and herbal, she said, and she did not feel the need to consult a doctor about her repeated miscarriages.

    Shvarts declined to specify the number of sperm donors she used, as well as the number of times she inseminated herself.

    Art major Juan Castillo '08 said that although he was intrigued by the creativity and beauty of her senior project, not everyone was as thrilled as he was by the concept and the means by which she attained the result.

    "I really loved the idea of this project, but a lot other people didn't," Castillo said. "I think that most people were very resistant to thinking about what the project was really about. [The senior-art-project forum] stopped being a conversation on the work itself."

    Although Shvarts said she does not remember the class being quite as hostile as Castillo described, she said she believes it is the nature of her piece to "provoke inquiry."

    "I believe strongly that art should be a medium for politics and ideologies, not just a commodity," Shvarts said. "I think that I'm creating a project that lives up to the standard of what art is supposed to be."

    The display of Schvarts' project will feature a large cube suspended from the ceiling of a room in the gallery of Green Hall. Schvarts will wrap hundreds of feet of plastic sheeting around this cube; lined between layers of the sheeting will be the blood from Schvarts' self-induced miscarriages mixed with Vaseline in order to prevent the blood from drying and to extend the blood throughout the plastic sheeting.

    Schvarts will then project recorded videos onto the four sides of the cube. These videos, captured on a VHS camcorder, will show her experiencing miscarriages in her bathrooom tub, she said. Similar videos will be projected onto the walls of the room.

    School of Art lecturer Pia Lindman, Schvarts' senior-project advisor, could not be reached for comment Wednesday night.

    Few people outside of Yale's undergraduate art department have heard about Shvarts' exhibition. Members of two campus abortion-activist groups . Choose Life at Yale, a pro-life group, and the Reproductive Rights Action League of Yale, a pro-choice group . said they were not previously aware of Schvarts' project.

    Alice Buttrick '10, an officer of RALY, said the group was in no way involved with the art exhibition and had no official opinion on the matter.

    Sara Rahman '09 said, in her opinion, Shvarts is abusing her constitutional right to do what she chooses with her body.

    "[Shvarts' exhibit] turns what is a serious decision for women into an absurdism," Rahman said. "It discounts the gravity of the situation that is abortion."

    CLAY member Jonathan Serrato '09 said he does not think CLAY has an official response to Schvarts' exhibition. But personally, Serrato said he found the concept of the senior art project "surprising" and unethical.

    "I feel that she's manipulating life for the benefit of her art, and I definitely don't support it," Serrato said. "I think it's morally wrong."

    Shvarts emphasized that she is not ashamed of her exhibition, and she has become increasingly comfortable discussing her miscarriage experiences with her peers.

    "It was a private and personal endeavor, but also a transparent one for the most part," Shvarts said. "This isn't something I've been hiding."

    The official reception for the Undergraduate Senior Art Show will be from 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. on April 25. The exhibition will be on public display from April 22 to May 1. The art exhibition is set to premiere alongside the projects of other art seniors this Tuesday, April 22 at the gallery of Holcombe T. Green Jr. Hall on Chapel Street.
    This sort of disgusting act, trivializing the creation of life and destroying it repeatedly like crushing pop cans, just makes my blood boil.

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    Neither, and nice poll options, perhaps you should have done it when not so "inflamed". I find what happened to be rather disgusting, but I don't hold the same views as others regarding "destroying life" as it's called.

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    I completely support abortion (in your face, pro-lifers), but i find this to just be despicable and wrong. Why get pregnant just for the sake of miscarriaging in the name of art? If she wanted to do something involving getting pregnant and art, she could have had as many children as possible, which would promplty be put up for adoption, and taken pictures of the happiness it brings into the lives of childless couples.

    This is just stupid.

    And again, i support abortion, but this isn't abortion, this is just the work of an utter cretin, an art-pillock of the highest calibre who needs to pull their head out their arse and look at what they're doing.
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    I think she has done a great disservice to the pro-choice movement. This can only further polarize the issue. It will not, as she says, promote discourse.

    Although I wouldn't label her a despicable scumbag, I would certainly describe her as a very immature little girl who wants some attention for herself, be it good or bad attention.

    Her dad probably didn't hug her enough when she was little.
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    I am pro-choice...

    but that is totally ****** up!
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    My brother goes to an art school. From what he tells of his peers, I've gotten the impression the arts attract their share of people who exemplify the old adage about the line between genius and insanity.

    Folks like this woman don't particularly help dispel the image of Van Goghian instability...
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    Next up: Art of the 13th century Mongol horde.


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    Can I get a free pass from the mods for properly making sure you guys understand how I feel about this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragony
    Can I get a free pass from the mods for properly making sure you guys understand how I feel about this?
    Tempted as I am, no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goofball
    I think she has done a great disservice to the pro-choice movement. This can only further polarize the issue. It will not, as she says, promote discourse.
    I agree with Goofball.

    It's a repulsive and highly counter-productive posturing. Being pro-choice does not mean one denies the dignity of women and the immense impact that choice has on most of them.

    There is a grave insult contained in her behaviour towards women and how they exercise their right of choice.
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    This isn't art. Simple as. It's just as despicable as people who put their excrement up for display and claim that's art. Controversy for the sake of it, being different because it is seen to be 'cool.' Big news - being different is not always cool, sometimes it makes one a total *** who is dumb...it makes one...er...yes, it makes one a *******.

    Heck, abortion is necessary in certain cases, regardless of what anyone believes or thinks. Sometimes it is the more humane option, and sometimes it means saving the life of the woman carrying the baby. But, this is not one of those cases whatsoever. To deliberately abort life and claim it is art when you take images of that destruction? Couldn't Nazis go around claiming that the Holocaust was art, then? I'm not calling this woman a Nazi. In fact, if this was art, couldn't those who beat the living crap out of their wives claim that was art? Couldn't terrorists claim what they do as art? The list goes on if you want.

    Not everything can be art, I'm afraid. It just insults the true artists out there who labour (no pun intended) day in and day out to get recognised, the true artists who work extremely hard and forgo a lot of the life everyone else has. Artists who sacrifice so much to get where they are. And someone else just comes on and claims abortion is art. Such willful abuse of the pro-creation process is not art. I'd be very afraid if she were ever to have children, given how lightly she takes the destruction of life. Keep pets away from her, too, or we might see starving dogs as art...

    Might have sounded very harsh, but I'm an aspiring animator, and it really irks me to see everything claimed as 'art.'

    One could say 'art can come from anywhere, but not everything can be art.' Otherwise you just give a carte blanche for people to come up with things like this, and claim they are amazing. No, they're not. The people on CG Society are far more amazing than this. 2 year olds claiming a squiggle is a dinosaur are truer artists than this, even.

    Yeah...er, as you were. Dismissed!
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    Same vein of art: Woman sells t-shirts that read "I was raped." Now that's art, right? Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur
    Same vein of art: Woman sells t-shirts that read "I was raped." Now that's art, right? Right?
    Where does it say 'art'? Nobody in that article is claiming the T-shirts are art.
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