Let's Play Guess the Faction! (With Maps!)

[Sir Beane]

EDIT: Thanks to GSC and his incredible new maps this post has been edited to include the new info. That means the faction lists will change, and people's suggestions in the posts below may not make a lot of sense.


This thread is there so we can use the screenshots and video screencaps of the campaign map mini-map to guess factions in each of the three theatres. This post is cross posted from another thread. I decided to start a new one because my post doesn't really fit in with the theme of that thread. Mods can merge/delete as they feel appropriate, but I feel this topic deserves it's own thread.


Anybody want to help me identify all of the different factions? Sorry that the numbers are in odd places. I tried to go anti-clockwise but it didn't work as well as planned.


Europe and India



Picture courtesy of GSC, plus me and two minutes with Paint.net

Playable factions in bold:

1. Britain (confirmed)
2. France (confirmed)
3. Spain (confirmed)
4. Portugal (confirmed)
5. The Empire of Fez and Morocco
6. The Barbary States
7. The Ottoman Empire (confirmed)
8. Persia
9. United Provinces (confirmed)
10.The Small German States, including; Baden, Württemberg, Rhineland, Palatine, Saarland, Hesse, Westphalia, Lower Saxony, Bremen, and others.
11. Denmark and Norway
12. Sweden (confirmed)
13. Hannover
14. Prussia (confirmed)
15. Poland - Lithuania (confirmed)
16. Duchy of Courland
17. Bavaria
18. Saxony/Some other German state
19. Wurttemberg
20. Swiss Confederation
21. Savoy (confirmed)
22. Genoa (confirmed)
23. Venice
24. Tuscany/Florence
25. The Papal States (confirmed)
26. Austria (confirmed)
27. Khanate of the Crimea
28. Mughal Dynasty (confirmed)
29. Mysore (confirmed)
30. Maratha (confirmed)

More factions yet to come when GSC finishes his map!


India



On the image 3 and 6 have been decided to be the same. 6 has moved to 7 (Ceylon)

1. Mughals (confirmed)
2. Safavid Persia
3. Marathas (Credit to Cynewulf) (confirmed)
4. Portugal (confirmed)
5. Mysore (confirmed)
6. United Provinces (confirmed)


North America

Thanks to GSC we have a much better picture!



I'm having trouble finding a sbetter quality screenshot of the map for North America. If anyone can find one or has one it would be helpful.

1. England (confirmed)
2. France (confirmed)
3. Powhatan Confederacy (I used screenshots to confirm this) (confirmed)
4. Spain (confirmed)
5. Caddo (Credit to Fisherking)
6. United Provinces
7. Innu (Credit to Dradem)
8. Sioux? Blackfoot? (Credit to Fisherking)
9. Chippewa (Credit to Fisherking)
10. New info suggest this is just Spain


Interestingly enough while watching video 3/5 in high definition I noticed the following territory names.

*Telico, Kaintuck territory
*Chicasa, Cherokee territory
* ???, Iroquois territory

The Whole Thing

Here is the whole thing, courtesy again of GSC. It looks fantastic!

[Noncommunist]

2. Afghanistan?

[caravel]

-Edit: Never mind.

[LordSardar]

Hmmmm...for Europe map, 9 is Persia....PARTS of area under 8 should have also been part of Persia in the period and is part of Persian/Iran today too...(Province of Azerbijan...not to be confused with the country of Azerbaijan just north of it, also probably in area 8)...no idea what faction that would be in the game. Azerbaijan the nation is probably not the faction tho cause it did not become a nation until 1920s I think...

[Sheogorath]

I'm thinking 2 is the Indians and 3 is the French in North America. Just a wild guess. But it would make more sense for the French to occupy that area.

It's kind of hard to guess some of these without a date, though...

[CBR]

AFAIK it is an older map and there has been some changes. 18 which is the duchy of Gottorp (or Schleswig-Holstein) is gone. 20 is Hannover. Saxony is the Polish coloured province south of Prussia.


CBR

[Sir Beane]

AFAIK it is an older map and there has been some changes. 18 which is the duchy of Gottorp (or Schleswig-Holstein) is gone. 20 is Hannover. Saxony is the Polish coloured province south of Prussia.


CBR

I had assumed the Polish coloured province was part of the larger Polish area. The colours are identical, even when zoomed in.

[CBR]

http://www.euratlas.com/history_euro..._map_1700.html The map is divided into 4 regions for zoomed in view.


CBR

[Fondor_Yards]

Number 3 in North America is definately New France. 2 is probably natives.

[Megas Methuselah]

I think that little, light blip of colour to the west of New France are the Five Nations (Iroquois)... It's kind of hard to see, though.

EDIT: I'm assuming #3 is New France. But so is 2, isn't it? Gah! It's too small to tell!

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Looking at CBR's map, my pick of Saxony for 20 doesn't look so hot.

US #3 might be one of the Native nations (Iroquios Confederacy?), I doubt it's the US colonists but I can't really say. If the map is from the Road to Independence Campaign it probably is a Native faction since France still has parts of Canada (and thus the Campaign would be in the French&Indian War/7 Years War phase).

2 minutes after Methuselah. :D Great minds, hopefully.

[Sir Beane]

2 in North America is definitely France, since it is exactly the same colour as continental France.

I agree that my pick of the US for 3 is probably wrong. The map is from the grand campaign, not the Road to Independance.

[Megas Methuselah]

I wonder if that light-brown faction just below the British territory at James Bay is the Ottawa? Maybe Ojibway? IIRC, the Ojibway were a very powerful tribe at this time (they had acquired guns early on through trade with the Europeans), with a lot of territory. Exactly where, though, is beyond my knowedge...

I'm confused about #3 though... Is that the Iroquois?

And where are the Hurons? After they were nearly wiped out in their early war with the Iroquois, they supposedly settled somewhere near Quebec or something...

EDIT: Good job with the clear map on North America, Sir Beane. You deserve a medal for it.

Btw, I'm completely guessing here. ^

[Thermal]

i think 6. for North america is portugal, may be wrong but i think it is

[General SupaCrunk]

It's Old Europe map, post newer!!

[Martok]

Well I'm not much use in picking out factions in Europe, and no use at all in picking out factions in India. Therefore, I'll just stick to North America....


1.) Obviously the British colonies

2.) It's definitely New France

3.) Pretty much has to be the Iroquois

4.) Again, quite obviously Spanish territory

5.) Given its location, I have a strong hunch that's the Sioux nation. They're a little too far west and south to be the Ojibway/Chippewa tribe(s).

6.) No idea

7.) Dutch (present-day Guyana, perhaps?)

8.) No flippin' clue. If they weren't so far west, I'd guess the Cherokee, but it's extremely unlikely that that's who it is.

[Martok]

i think 6. for North america is portugal, may be wrong but i think it is

Sorry, but Portugal never had any colonies in North America, only South America.

[Fisherking]

EUROPE

22 is Bavaria! The light blue tells you so…even without the checks

Saxony was in union with Poland-Lithuania by the map…not sure when it actually happened but obviously they start that way in the game.


INDIA

6 same as 3?

North America


8 Caddo alliance…no one else could be there, but the capital would be Nacogdoches. It makes me wonder where the more powerful tribes are, like the Choctaw ,Chickasaw& Creek! They were too strong and too important to leave out! But there my be subtle shades in 2

5 looks too far north to be the Sioux, but on one map I saw their capital in Black Hills.

3 Iroquois territory. Remember there are five tribes.

[Sir Beane]

EUROPE

22 is Bavaria! The light blue tells you so…even without the checks

Saxony was in union with Poland-Lithuania by the map…not sure when it actually happened but obviously they start that way in the game.


INDIA

6 same as 3?

North America


8 Caddo alliance…no one else could be there, but the capital would be Nacogdoches. It makes me wonder where the more powerful tribes are, like the Choctaw ,Chickasaw& Creek! They were too strong and too important to leave out! But there my be subtle shades in 2

5 looks too far north to be the Sioux, but on one map I saw their capital in Black Hills.

3 Iroquois territory. Remember there are five tribes.

For India six looks the same as 3 but zoomed in they appear to be different colours.

Thanks for all the help guys! It will be interesting to see how accurate these guesses are when the game os released.

[Fisherking]

Are there no better maps of North America?

Are we to believe that CA has included some of the unimportant Native Factions and included some that make practically no difference in history?

Are we going to have the Sioux and Apache in 1700 when they had no impact and leave out the Shawnee and Miami who basically held up western expansion for almost 50 years?
What are we to make of it?

And I am going to be particularly ticked off if the Choctaw are not in here. They served as scouts for Washington and later for Wayne. One of their Chiefs was commissioned a Brigadier General in the American army! What gives?

[LordSardar]

Hmmmm...for Europe map, 9 is Persia....PARTS of area under 8 should have also been part of Persia in the period and is part of Persian/Iran today too...(Province of Azerbijan...not to be confused with the country of Azerbaijan just north of it, also probably in area 8)...no idea what faction that would be in the game. Azerbaijan the nation is probably not the faction tho cause it did not become a nation until 1920s I think...

Err...can't edit my post (is it cause I am a Junior Member?)...but anyways, n/m...above post doesn't apply anymore with anymore with the new map...8 is def. Persia.

[Sir Beane]

Err...can't edit my post (is it cause I am a Junior Member?)...but anyways, n/m...above post doesn't apply anymore with anymore with the new map...8 is def. Persia.

It is because you are a Junior member. Don't worry though. Keep posting good stuff regularly and you will be a full member in no time.

[Fisherking]

The numbers have now changed on the North American map!

Now:
5 Caddo
6 United Provinces
7 ?
8 Blackfoot, maybe (way too far north for Sioux)
9 Chippewa

This map does not seem to have the same shading as the last. I am wondering if some of the tribes are the color of their allies, or nearly so?

[Martok]

Hmm. Looking at that new map of NA, I have to admit you guys are right about 8 being too far north for the Sioux. Blackfoot is as good a guess as any then, although personally I'm in the dark once more.

The Ojibway (Chippewa) would make sense for 9. They should really start with more land than that, however, as they also occupied & controlled a good chunk of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Still, a relatively minor quibble.

[Fisherking]

Hmm. Looking at that new map of NA, I have to admit you guys are right about 8 being too far north for the Sioux. Blackfoot is as good a guess as any then, although personally I'm in the dark once more.

The Ojibway (Chippewa) would make sense for 9. They should really start with more land than that, however, as they also occupied & controlled a good chunk of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota. Still, a relatively minor quibble.

I agree about the lands of the Chippewa, it is definitely lacking in size, but they moved in relatively recent times to the south. They drove out the Cheyenne and the Sioux from most of Minnesota as I am sure you know.
We can not see what is in all those empty lands.

The best I can do for number 7 there in upper Labrador is to guess that they are Inuit, or perhaps called the Sheshatshiu people.


I don‘t know what has happened to all the peoples that should be in the French territories, and some of the Spanish, but I can insure you that no matter who owned that land on paper it was not inhabited by very many if any Frenchmen.

At this point I will hazard a guess that, at least for the French, allied Tribes give them possession of a province and they can recruit from the tribes. Nothing else makes much sense from the map, because there were some very powerful tribes in those areas and only a few French trading posts. What happens later, if and when they change hands by means other than conquest I could not say.

But if there are no tribes there, who may somehow change alliance, then I may be a tiny bit upset...

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

We'll make EB fix them.

[Jolt]

It's confirmed that Portugal is a playable faction? :o

[Sir Beane]

It's confirmed that Portugal is a playable faction? :o

Nope. But I'm gonig to go ahead and assume it is until I hear otherwise. If it isn't playable then it really really should be.

[CBR]

Portugal is AFAIK not part of the 12 playable factions. But you can easily unlock it of course.


CBR

[Herkus]

19. duchy of Lorraine / Lotring