Europeans right to own a death penalty debate

**PowerWizard** · 04-11-2009, 02:41

The death penalty is nothing short of barbarism. It is also exceptionally expensive, totally counter-productive and inevitably results in the murders of innocents and the freedom of some of society's worst criminals due to miscarriages of justice. Basically it's a pre-Enlightenment practice. Wait.. no. It is a notion so barbaric that in 1800BC the Hittites had collectively liberalised their capital punishment laws, reserving it for crimes against the Gods. If you support it you are developed as a early Babylonian shite cleaner.

**Marshal Murat** · 04-11-2009, 02:45

I appreciate your criticisms but they lack a certain spirit, namely facts.

**PowerWizard** · 04-11-2009, 02:49

Originally Posted by Marshal Murat

I appreciate your criticisms but they lack a certain spirit, namely facts.

Which facts are you looking for? I can help you with your research. Just say the word.

**Marshal Murat** · 04-11-2009, 03:06

totally counter-productive and inevitably results in the murders of innocents and the freedom of some of society's worst criminals due to miscarriages of justice.

Are death penalties counter-productive?
Do they always result in the "murders of innocents"?
Are "societies worst criminals" absolutely freed through "miscarriages of justice"?

I would also like to point out that while the United States doesn't outlaw the "death penalty", it as a country doesn't fully support it as a method of justice. Only certain states support the death penalty, others have completely outlawed it as a method of justice. The United States as a country doesn't on a whole outlaw or entirely allow the death penalty. To rank it with Iran and the PRC as endorsing total death penalty is misleading to say the least.

**Sheogorath** · 04-11-2009, 03:14

Originally Posted by PowerWizard

The death penalty is nothing short of barbarism. It is also exceptionally expensive, totally counter-productive and inevitably results in the murders of innocents and the freedom of some of society's worst criminals due to miscarriages of justice. Basically it's a pre-Enlightenment practice. Wait.. no. It is a notion so barbaric that in 1800BC the Hittites had collectively liberalised their capital punishment laws, reserving it for crimes against the Gods. If you support it you are developed as a early Babylonian shite cleaner.

This post offends me as an anthropologist. The history...It's all so very, very, wrong.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 04-11-2009, 04:16

To my knowledge, the death penalty is not abolished in all German states by the law of the state. Some states, if I recall correctly, still legislate its use. However, the federal government has outlawed it, meaning that the states cannot use it even though they have it in their own books.

**Proletariat** · 04-11-2009, 05:56

If you take every choice and opportunity and everything else from a human by taking their life, you should have your life taken.

Now where is the Babylonian shite and do I at least get a mop and rubber gloves?

**KarlXII** · 04-11-2009, 06:01

Originally Posted by Proletariat

If you take every choice and opportunity and everything else from a human by taking their life, you should have your life taken.

This.

You know what you did. When you take the life of another innocent human being, what right do you have at that point to live?

**Crazed Rabbit** · 04-11-2009, 07:18

Originally Posted by PowerWizard

The death penalty is nothing short of barbarism. It is also exceptionally expensive, totally counter-productive

I've seen some studies that say for every actual execution, several murders are prevented.

and inevitably results in the murders of innocents and the freedom of some of society's worst criminals due to miscarriages of justice.

The freedom of criminals? How so?

Anyways, I am not theoretically against it. In practicality, I'm leaning against it, because of all the problems with police, prosecutors, eyewitnesses, etc.

CR

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 04-11-2009, 07:58

The comparitive cost of life in prison (with the added bonus that we can at least let people out if we've wrongfully convicted them) make me prefer it to the death penalty.

**Banquo's Ghost** · 04-11-2009, 08:08

The original post of this thread was insulting and plain trolling.

The subject is one for considered debate, which is unlikely to develop from such a start.

Thus, the thread is sentenced to be taken from this place, where it will be hanged by the neck until it is dead. The body may be given up to the resurrectionists.