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    Default Italian Wars Total War

    I have moved this thead previously in the entrance hall to hear as i felt that this was the proper place for this thread. I will now sum up all the ideas and development I have done. It will be based approximately between 1300-1500. This will hopefully be a mod with a campaign.
    Firstly the Factions
    Papal States
    Sicily
    Savoy
    Florence
    Siena
    Venice
    Milan
    Naples
    Genoa
    Turks (unplayable)
    French? (unplayable)
    The reasons for the turks is that i will include the balkans on the map as on the coast there were venetian colonies. The rest of the balkans were controlled by the turks and the venetians and the turks had a period of warfare. Also the french in 1494 invaded Italy and this was the starting point of italian occupation. I was thinking i could have them working like the mongols in mtw.
    Italy in this period was dominated by mercenaries in the early parts there were many foreign mercenaries such as french knights, almograves and longbowmen. However later on they became less depandant on foreign mercenaries and used more mercenaries from Italy. Also earlier on they focused on miltias heavily however they became used less and less later on. The name for mercenaries were conditorri these tended to be heavily armoured knights. To represent the amount of mercenaries around such units as conditorri heavy cavalry and stradiots ( i will describe later) you will be able to build normally however you will need an inn to train them. However foreign mercenaries such as english longbowmen will only be availaible through normal ways.
    I also would like to have a different system for miltia as there were different types of miltia units. Therefore town guards will be required for building different types of miltia and also upgrades for town guards will improve the discipline of miltia units. As i said miltia units became more obscure and they were replaced by peramant units called provisionati who were professional soldiers.
    Standard Unit List (this shall be the the basic unit list for everyone)
    Conditorri Heavy Cavalry
    Cavalleria leggiera (light cavalry, conditorri, demi-lances)
    Mounted Crossbowmen (conditorri typically)
    Miltia Bowmen
    Miltia Crossbowmen
    Miltia Spearmen
    Mounted Nobles (rural petty nobles classed as miltia)
    Crossbowmen-provisionati
    Targhieri (Pavise Crossbowmen)-provisionati
    Schiopettieri (handgunners)-provisionati
    Lanze Spezzate (normal heavy knights)-provisionati
    Bowmen-provisionati
    Arquebuisters-provisionati
    Light Infantry (spearmen+large sheilds)-provisionati
    Spearmen-provisionati
    Rotulari (sword and buckler)-provisionati
    Halbedirs-provisionati
    Bombard
    Carriochas (will discuss later)
    The Carriochas were universal in all italian armies they were carts pulled by oxen, the cart carried the colours and heradry of the armies they were souce of moral and a rallying point. Therefore i think i could have it so that they gave your army a moral bonus however if they were ever destroyed then the moral of your army would suffer.
    These will be the standard units for everyone at the moment not including mercenaries.
    Hear are some Mercenary Units
    Landsknechten (german pikemen)
    Swiss Pikemen
    English Longbowmen
    Almograve
    I have included all foreign knights into the conditorri heavy cavalry.
    Hear are some units for perspecific factions
    Stradoti (balkans light cavalry used throwing spears, bows)-venice
    Swiss Guard (swiss elite halbedirs)-papacy
    Genoese Crossbowmen (fought during the 100 year war)-genoa
    Sfakioty (cretan archers)-venice
    Arsenalotti (doge's guards)-venice
    Here are someother ideas. The milanes were famous for there armourers therefore the province of milan will give troops an armour bonus. Venice was a major naval power as was genoa before it lost to venice. So venice will have a bonus to its ships built in the province venice. The pisans were also quite famous for their crossbowmen so in this province crossbow units will gain have added valour to crossbow units. I would like to thank Angelnessuno as his post in the two crowns forum helped with many venetian units, nomad for telling me about the post, Al Khalifah for adding his views and helpful suggestions, Historycaesar also for his suggestions and views. I am still in the devlopment process and changes can be made at any point so if anyone has any information and suggestions please post. In my next post i may add some pictures. But please express your views and post.
    Also if anyone would like to do a part of the mod help would be welcome especially on the camp map.
    Last edited by saundersag; 08-18-2004 at 10:19.

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