US deserves terrorism?!

[Ar7]

I have seen a number of programs that were stand alone investigations about Usama bin Laden. They pointed out that Usama was first brought to live and recieved all the initial training from the US. The US goverment used him against the USSR forces in Afganistan and later used him to pressure Kuwait.

On another note, Iraq has been quite close to the US, they have been "allies" in some sort until the Gulf war of course. Once again the US helped Iraq to develop chemical weapons that were used against the Kurds in Iraq.

So basically their own weapon back fired againts themselves, I believe they deserved the terrorist attacks that were made against them ( I stress US as a state deserved it, not the people that have died, they were just unlucky to pay for the mistakes of their goverment ) The USA brought terrorism to life, first by simply sponsoring it and then by bringing the chaos of war to Afganistan and Iraq.

[Templar Knight]

Yea bin laden was a CIA operative fighting against the USSR by rasing fighters in Afganistan

No one deserves terrorism!

[The_Emperor]

Yes it does seem interesting that the greatest problems America has faced in recent years have come from former "Allies" during the cold war era. We used them to get the dirty jobs done and cut them loose when they were no longer needed...

I guess this proves that the Enemy of your enemy is not your Friend after all.

[Templar Knight]

The problem was that bin laden and his network had raised so many men that when the US cut them loose they had nowhere to go, so they started to target the US and western interests

[The_Emperor]

The problem was that bin laden and his network had raised so many men that when the US cut them loose they had nowhere to go, so they started to target the US and western interests

oh they had somewhere to go alright, Afghanistan. The same place we used them in, and drove them out of the capital of a couple of years back.

The problems came about because we did nothing to help sort out Afghanistan after the Soviets were driven out, and after that they then started fighting their bloody little civil wars.

We left it to grow into the lawless, terrorist haven it became for many years.

[Byzantine Prince]

As bin Laden hiself has said already all the US have to do is get the hell out of the Middle East and change it's foreign policy with Israel. Then he'll stop humiliating them over and over again to the rest of the world.

Yes the US does deserve an attack. I think it would have been better if he had just attacked the Whitehouse, the Pentagon, and the CIA headquarters. That outta send a good message. We wouldn't have that retard as the most powerful person on earth. I think it was a mistake to kill innocents, then again it's hard to not to seeing as they used civilian planes.

You are right though, the US does deserve terrorism, just not on the civilian level(except they are KKK members or Republican's, lol).

[Big King Sanctaphrax]

This thread is completely insane. Nobody 'deserves' terrorism.

[Templar Knight]

This thread is completely insane. Nobody 'deserves' terrorism.

Thats what I said

[Byzantine Prince]

This thread is completely insane. Nobody 'deserves' terrorism.

No one deserves any crime against them. But if you think about all the cirmes against humanity the US has commited then I wouldn't say they don't deserve a little backlash.

Contrary to popular belief Islamic foundamentalist terrorism is no different than the state terrorism of Israel. In fact terrorism started out as state terror. If you think about it the US government is no better then the terrorists it's trying to kill off (lol). Just because you're from the West and they are from the Middle East doesn't make your loss of life any heavier than theirs.

So far around 1,100 american soldiers have died in Iraq... so far something like 100,000 Iraqis (almost entirely civilian) have died. How many people died in sept. 11? 3,000. Who lost more?

Oh and this not to mention the 3,000,000 Vietnamese that they wiped of the face of the Earth. That's not war, It's genocide.

[The_Emperor]

Well I for one agree that nobody "deserves" terrorism, but I agree that today's Bin Laden was created by the USA who trained him and set him loose on the Soviets.

[Kaiser of Arabia]

I have seen a number of programs that were stand alone investigations about Usama bin Laden. They pointed out that Usama was first brought to live and recieved all the initial training from the US. The US goverment used him against the USSR forces in Afganistan and later used him to pressure Kuwait.

On another note, Iraq has been quite close to the US, they have been "allies" in some sort until the Gulf war of course. Once again the US helped Iraq to develop chemical weapons that were used against the Kurds in Iraq.

So basically their own weapon back fired againts themselves, I believe they deserved the terrorist attacks that were made against them ( I stress US as a state deserved it, not the people that have died, they were just unlucky to pay for the mistakes of their goverment ) The USA brought terrorism to life, first by simply sponsoring it and then by bringing the chaos of war to Afganistan and Iraq.

Ok, because you said that I'm going to say that the Jews deserved the holocost because they, as a whole, did not leave Germany when they had the chance. I say this against judiasm as a religion, not the people who died,

Now did that statement seem racist, prejudiced, etc? Because it's the same thing you said, but with slightly different word changes. The above statement is not meant to be offensive but merely to demonstrate a point.

[PanzerJaeger]

What a great meeting of the minds we've got here. The genius represented in this thread is hard to argue with.

Ar7-

How dare America... help UBL liberate Afghanistan? I find it hard to understand how helping him gave him good reason to kill americans? Show me where the deal was that we would support afghanistan after the soviets left...

And how dare the evil imperialist america... support a secular government against a radical islamic government? How could they justify withholding support after the evils of saddam came out.. they deserved to be hit! What? Youre going to have to explain to me how america deserves to be attacked because of it.

I guess your just thinking on a higher plane than me, because from down here you just look like an extremely offensive idiot.

As bin Laden hiself has said already all the US have to do is get the hell out of the Middle East and change it's foreign policy with Israel. Then he'll stop humiliating them over and over again to the rest of the world.

^Another brilliant mind at work. He sure is humiliating me in his cave... Did it ever occur to you how america ended up in the middle east? UBLs own country asked for US assistence. Of course facts dont get in the way of


Yes the US does deserve an attack. I think it would have been better if he had just attacked the Whitehouse, the Pentagon, and the CIA headquarters. That outta send a good message. We wouldn't have that retard as the most powerful person on earth. I think it was a mistake to kill innocents, then again it's hard to not to seeing as they used civilian planes.

Im struggling to find the words to match your stupidity and offensiveness. Youve got Ar7 beat for sure.

Do you realize there are people on this board who lost family on 9/11? Im not even going to try and reason with someone so immoral as to justify and call for a terrorist attack.

Why dont you jump on your short bus and head on down to iraq and join your comrades in arms living out your desires. Of course that would take balls wouldnt it? Its easy to sit up in Canada and declare that the US deserves to be attacked, but a wimpy little punk like yourself wouldnt ever consider doing it would you? Your content to justify it..

You are right though, the US does deserve terrorism, just not on the civilian level(except they are KKK members or Republican's, lol).

Inst that considerate of you... Only republicans deserve to be blown to pieces.

Hey, when you meet Usama in hell, tell him I said hey.

[Gregoshi]

This is a question/statement that is sure to degenerate into ugly words being exchanged. There are few around who could discuss such a topic in a rational and intelligent way. Therefore I'm closing it before it gets out of hand. Also, the topic, as presented, is in the wrong forum.

Edit: I see we took another step in the downward spiral while I was posting this.

[CrackedAxe]

( I stress US as a state deserved it, not the people that have died, they were just unlucky to pay for the mistakes of their goverment ) .

You don't seem to make any sense. Terrorism is nearly always targeted at civilians, thats were you achieve maximum terror. You say the US deserves terrorism but that simply means more of the civilians that you call 'unlucky' will be victims of it. The simple fact is NOBODY deserves terrorism.

Anyway, isn't this thread in the wrong section?

[Gregoshi]

Yesterday, after I closed this thread, Ar7 (this thread's creator) PMed me and asked me to add an additional post from him to better explain what his point and intent for this thread was. Seeing that things didn't turn out quite as he had hoped, I'm adding his message as a courtesy to him. Unfortunately, the thread will remained closed.

I am sorry that this topic has gotten out of hand, when I started it I didn't want to hurt any feelings or offend anybody. I simply wanted to hear different opinions from around the world.

Perhaps when I used the word deserves I was wrong. I merely wanted to point out, that the US doesn't have the right to talk about freeing the world and blaming other countries for sponsoring terrorism, as they were infact the ones who created the threat that the world is facing today. Because most of the largest terrorist organisations are linked to Alkaida or Usama in one way or the other.

I also wanted to say that the US not only doesn't want to admit their mistakes, but also continues to repeat them and blames others for actions they were also responsible for. The wars they started are creating a perfect enviroment for terrorism. I shall bring one example, the amount of heroin that is coming from Afganistan to Russia has almost doubled after the Americans took the country under control. It is not hard to assume that the terrorist organisations recieve a pretty large percent from the drug income.

Terrorist attacks are not aimed against the civilians directly, they are commited to influence the politics of a certain country. The terrorist attacks aimed at the US should have influeced the US politics and should have made them realise their previous mistakes. But instead we see a situation where the US continues to endanger its citizens and continues it's politics the same way they did thus creating more terrorism along the way and worse still, using the war against terrorism as an excuse to increase it's presense and influence in the region.

I just wanted to point out that the US goverment is largely resposible for what is happening today and that these attacks should have changed their politics and thus the word "deserved" in the topic.

I hope I explained myself better this time and I hope I caused no serious offence. I in no way support terrorism as I am a Russian and the latest attacks have influenced me as well. I just wanted to say that people who can change this, do nothing and thus endanger more and more people.

I hope you post this message for me as I really didn't want this topic to end the way it did.