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    It was in Bosnia and Kosovo under Clinton .

    How we trained al-Qa’eda
    The Spectator ^ | 9/6/2003 | Brendan O’Neill

    Posted on 09/12/2003 12:34:22 PM PDT by JohnGalt

    How we trained al-Qa’eda 9/6/2003

    Brendan O’Neill says the Bosnian war taught Islamic terrorists to operate abroad For all the millions of words written about al-Qa’eda since the 9/11 attacks two years ago, one phenomenon is consistently overlooked — the role of the Bosnian war in transforming the mujahedin of the 1980s into the roving Islamic terrorists of today.

    Many writers and reporters have traced al-Qa’eda and other terror groups’ origins back to the Afghan war of 1979–1992, that last gasp of the Cold War when US-backed mujahedin forces fought against the invading Soviet army. It is well documented that America played a major role in creating and sustaining the mujahedin, which included Osama bin Laden’s Office of Services set up to recruit volunteers from overseas. Between 1985 and 1992, US officials estimate that 12,500 foreign fighters were trained in bomb-making, sabotage and guerrilla warfare tactics in Afghan camps that the CIA helped to set up.

    Yet America’s role in backing the mujahedin a second time in the early and mid-1990s is seldom mentioned — largely because very few people know about it, and those who do find it prudent to pretend that it never happened. Following the Russian withdrawal from Afghanistan in 1989 and the collapse of their puppet regime in 1992, the Afghan mujahedin became less important to the United States; many Arabs, in the words of the journalist James Buchan, were left stranded in Afghanistan ‘with a taste for fighting but no cause’. It was not long before some were provided with a new cause. From 1992 to 1995, the Pentagon assisted with the movement of thousands of mujahedin and other Islamic elements from Central Asia into Europe, to fight alongside Bosnian Muslims against the Serbs.

    The Bosnia venture appears to have been very important to the rise of mujahedin forces, to the emergence of today’s cross-border Islamic terrorists who think nothing of moving from state to state in the search of outlets for their jihadist mission. In moving to Bosnia, Islamic fighters were transported from the ghettos of Afghanistan and the Middle East into Europe; from an outdated battleground of the Cold War to the major world conflict of the day; from being yesterday’s men to fighting alongside the West’s favoured side in the clash of the Balkans. If Western intervention in Afghanistan created the mujahedin, Western intervention in Bosnia appears to have globalised it.

    As part of the Dutch government’s inquiry into the Srebrenica massacre of July 1995, Professor Cees Wiebes of Amsterdam University compiled a report entitled ‘Intelligence and the War in Bosnia’, published in April 2002. In it he details the secret alliance between the Pentagon and radical Islamic groups from the Middle East, and their efforts to assist Bosnia’s Muslims. By 1993, there was a vast amount of weapons- smuggling through Croatia to the Muslims, organised by ‘clandestine agencies’ of the USA, Turkey and Iran, in association with a range of Islamic groups that included Afghan mujahedin and the pro-Iranian Hezbollah. Arms bought by Iran and Turkey with the financial backing of Saudi Arabia were airlifted from the Middle East to Bosnia — airlifts with which, Wiebes points out, the USA was ‘very closely involved’.

    The Pentagon’s secret alliance with Islamic elements allowed mujahedin fighters to be ‘flown in’, though they were initially reserved as shock troops for particularly hazardous operations against Serb forces. According to a report in the Los Angeles Times in October 2001, from 1992 as many as 4,000 volunteers from the Middle East, North Africa and Europe, ‘known as the mujahedin’, arrived in Bosnia to fight with the Muslims. Richard Holbrooke, America’s former chief Balkans peace negotiator, has said that the Bosnian Muslims ‘wouldn’t have survived’ without the help of the mujahedin, though he later admitted that the arrival of the mujahedin was a ‘pact with the devil’ from which Bosnia is still recovering.

    By the end of the 1990s State Department officials were increasingly worried about the consequences of this pact. Under the terms of the 1995 Dayton peace accord, the foreign mujahedin units were required to disband and leave the Balkans. Yet in 2000, the State Department raised concerns about the ‘hundreds of foreign Islamic extremists’ who became Bosnian citizens after fighting against the Serbs, and who pose a potential terror threat to Europe and the United States. US officials claimed that one of bin Laden’s top lieutenants had sent operatives to Bosnia, and that during the 1990s Bosnia had served as a ‘staging area and safe haven’ for al-Qa’eda and others. The Clinton administration had discovered that it is one thing to permit the movement of Islamic groups across territories; it is quite another to rein them back in again.

    Indeed, for all the Clinton officials’ concern about Islamic extremists in the Balkans, they continued to allow the growth and movement of mujahedin forces in Europe through the 1990s. In the late 1990s, in the run-up to Clinton’s and Blair’s Kosovo war of 1999, the USA backed the Kosovo Liberation Army against Serbia. According to a report in the Jerusalem Post in 1998, KLA members, like the Bosnian Muslims before them, had been ‘provided with financial and military support from Islamic countries’, and had been ‘bolstered by hundreds of Iranian fighters or mujahedin ...[some of whom] were trained in Osama bin Laden’s terrorist camps in Afghanistan’. It seems that, for all its handwringing, the USA just couldn’t break the pact with the devil.

    Why is this aspect of the mujahedin’s development so often overlooked? Some sensible stuff has been written about al-Qa’eda and its connections in recent months, but the Bosnia connection has been left largely unexplored. In Jason Burke’s excellent Al-Qa’eda: Casting a Shadow of Terror, Bosnia is mentioned only in passing. Kimberley McCloud and Adam Dolnik of the Monterey Institute of International Studies have written some incisive commentary calling for rational thinking when assessing al-Qa’eda’s origins and threat — but again, investigation of the Bosnia link is notable by its absence.

    It would appear that when it comes to Bosnia, many in the West have a moral blind spot. For some commentators, particularly liberal ones, Western intervention in Bosnia was a Good Thing — except that, apparently, there was too little of it, offered too late in the conflict. Many journalists and writers demanded intervention in Bosnia and Western support for the Muslims. In many ways, this was their war, where they played an active role in encouraging further intervention to enforce ‘peace’ among the former Yugoslavia’s warring factions. Consequently, they often overlook the downside to this intervention and its divisive impact on the Balkans. Western intervention in Bosnia, it would appear, has become an unquestionably positive thing, something that is beyond interrogation and debate.

    Yet a cool analysis of today’s disparate Islamic terror groups, created in Afghanistan and emboldened by the Bosnian experience, would do much to shed some light on precisely the dangers of such intervention.
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    Heres more on the wrong war for the wrong reasons.

    Which Terrorists Are Worse?
    Al Qaeda? Or the KLA?
    by Jared Israel
    [Posted 12 December 2001]
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    Slobodan Milosevic, the kidnapped former President of Yugoslavia, appeared before The Hague 'Tribunal' yesterday. (1)

    "Asked how he pleaded to the charges, guilty or not guilty, Mr. Milosevic reacted like his old defiant self and said: 'This miserable text is the ultimate absurdity. I should be given credit for peace in Bosnia, not war.' Responsibility for the Bosnian war, he went on, 'lies with the Western powers that broke up Yugoslavia and their Yugoslav agents.' Because he failed to respond with a plea, the court entered a plea of not guilty... (1)

    "The charges against him in Kosovo, he said, 'will inevitably open up the issue of the Clinton administration's cooperation with the terrorists in Kosovo, including the bin Laden organization.' He was referring to ethnic Albanian rebels of the Kosovo Liberation Army who, he contends, attacked Serbian forces with help from foreign Islamic militants." ('N.Y. Times,' 12/12/01 * Note: the 'Times' uses the term Islamic, meaning Muslim, when it should use 'Islamist,' meaning Muslim clerical-fascists.)

    The charge for which Milosevic has been tried and convicted in the Western press is that he suppressed a popular movement using brutal methods. (2)

    But what if they lied to us about Kosovo and Milosevic, just as they lied to us about the bombing of the Red Cross, or that bin Laden was fighting the CIA throughout the 1990s? What if in fact Yugoslavia used relatively humane methods to fight the U.S.-supported secessionists in Kosovo - which by the way is the oldest part of Serbia. What if this contrasts favorably with the tactics employed by the U.S. in Afghanistan - which is not part of the U.S.A.? (3)

    What if the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) is a terrorist organization, created by the USA and Germany, trained by U.S. and British covert forces, installed in power in Kosovo as a proxy force for NATO?

    What if hundreds of thousands of Serbs, 'Gypsies,' Slavic Muslims, Turks, non-fascist Albanians and Jews have been driven from the province by the KLA - with NATO's apparent approval? (4)

    These are the issues Milosevic promises to expose.

    We have posted evidence of the KLA's ties to Osama bin Laden's terrorists. (5)

    New evidence emerged today. We are informed that an Australian, captured in Afghanistan, had previously fought for the KLA, then went for training with al Qaeda in Pakistan, and ended up a Taliban soldier. (http://au.news.yahoo.com/011212/2/1onh.html )

    But the KLA is terrorist regardless of its links to al Qaeda. The evidence is overwhelming. Consider, for example, the case of Mr. Ramush Haradinaj.

    According to a December 4th BBC report, Mr. Haradinaj, who leads the so-called Democratic League of Kosova (sic!) or LDK, has been meeting with leaders of the Alliance for the Future of Kosova (also sic!) to plan a 'broad based' government in the province. (Why did I put 'sic!' after 'Kosova'? See footnote 6 )

    Who is Ramush Haradinaj?
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    Well, if we're going to take anybody's word it should be Slobo's ...


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    Typical right wing revisionist history. It is scary watching you take sides with Milosevic, completely destroys my opinion of you.
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    Typical right wing revisionist history. It is scary watching you take sides with Milosevic, completely destroys my opinion of you.
    Now now there you go again accusing me of things I didnt say. I have always stated that both sides had behaved abombitably here. Its scary watching you defend terrorists.
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    Does it matter who trained them ? Isn't it more important to get rid off them...

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    Hang on - I thought Gawain didn't accept that the US was responsible for any of the acts of terrorism? Now it's only Clinton?

    You really are a walking, talking tedium machine Gawain.
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    Hang on - I thought Gawain didn't accept that the US was responsible for any of the acts of terrorism? Now it's only Clinton?
    I didnt say its only Clinton. It seems I may have been wrong. The more I study this issue the more disturbing it gets. Its seems we really are confilcted here.
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