Losing 96 provinces in one year-part 2

[Knight Templar]

One of my friends played with the Egyptians couple of days ago. It was his second campaign so he didn't know about 80-100 % rebellions. Anyway, he did quite well (excellent, I'd say). He gave me savegame from 1271, and I auto-calced all battles in the 1272. Here are the pics:

[HopAlongBunny]

Oweeee!

Thanks for the pics

[dgfred]

Oweeee!

Thanks for the pics

My thought exactly!

[Roark]

Jeez...

Hammered!

[Kralizec]

Yeah, this happened to me every time I played a campaign beyond the 60% mark. Eventually I just stopped playing MTW campaigns alltogether because of the sheer annoyance.

[antisocialmunky]

There's usually a civil war at 60%... If you're looking for a 100% victory, you have to beat that. But 96 province is just slightly ridiculous.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

That will make the game more challenging!

[Ironside]

Yeah, this happened to me every time I played a campaign beyond the 60% mark. Eventually I just stopped playing MTW campaigns alltogether because of the sheer annoyance.

You can have very little rebellions if you play well and avoids the things that triggers those massive rebellions. The only thing that can make those rebellions is then war with a faction with a big navy, but even then you can reduce the rebellions.

BTW did he attack Corsica with his king or something?

[King Kurt]

I am near this point in my current campaign, so this interests me a lot. Is it because the king is cut off in Corsica? - I can't see a port on the screenshot - also the garrisons looked very low. Is the answer to build lots of happiness buildings like militas, cathedrals etc before this point. I had a rash of revolts about 20 years back, but a bit more conquering, a new King and starting a couple of cathedrals seem to have helped. Perhaps the unfortunate Egyptian should have spent his enormous treasury on some bricks and mortar - mind you, he could bribe his way back as well.

[Ciaran]

Ouch, that must have hurt. And I thought I had it bad with my civil war in the HRE, but in the end I only lost Livland and the neighbouring province. Plus, it seems to me, civil war broke out in all neighbour nations, the English (owning most of France) and the French (owning most of England ) lost a considerable amount of territory to rebellions as well. Good for me, now that I´ve cleaned up the rebellion I can snatch new territories without anyone screming murder about it

[el_slapper]

World record!!!!!

Irrealistic? Well, the whole known world is ruled by a tyrant. Then the tyrant loses controle with the known world. Isn't it the ideal situation for a massive rebellion to happen?

[King Kurt]

World record!!!!!

Irrealistic? Well, the whole known world is ruled by a tyrant. Then the tyrant loses controle with the known world. Isn't it the ideal situation for a massive rebellion to happen?

If it isn't, it should be!!

[Vladimir]

Good, aggressive game. To bad he wasn't smart AND aggressive.

[Mithrandir]

Gah!

[Dutch_guy]

Wow ... that's all I can say...

He Mithrandir , didn't you mean to say camels

[bretwalda]

In my Irish game I fought off two massive rebellions: when another massive navy cut my lines of communications. One was further worsened by an earlier excommunication and the death of the king in the same year the seas were blockaded (that damn heir - new king popped up in Ireland!!!!!) I was able to fight / buy back myself in ten years.

EDIT: What was most funny: at then end I was attacked by the Fatimids (thats Egypt, btw) in Sicily and when I removed their sea conncetion there was a loyalist rebellion in Sicily that was joined by 12 provinces: those I could not take back yet... So I got them back for free

[Vladimir]

In my Italian game the Egyptians are in a perpetual civil war. I have no idea where their king is (or the horde for that matter, they keep asking for an alliance but I can't see them from the coast) but they keep having small scale rebellions all the time.

[yesdachi]

I had a tough time after a rebellion where I had about 40% of the map and lost all but 6 provinces, I eventually came back to win but I don’t think I could come back after your friends mess, WOW!

[King Henry V]

Well, at least he has Sardinia. In some of my games I would have loved to have Sardinia!

[Vladimir]

I wonder what the troop quality of those units are. I would have had to slash and burn the entire map so those bastards would starve.

[Mithrandir]

Wow ... that's all I can say...

He Mithrandir , didn't you mean to say camels

It's obvious he didn't use camels, or he'd never have lost so many provinces :).

[NodachiSam]

A very dramatic fall. I am surprised not more factions reemerged though 5 isn't a bad number. I wonder what spurred it on. Possibly a succession. I imagine you could replicate this by disbanding tons of your troops, destroying tons of your buildings, raising taxes and removing access to your king.

With all that money I imagine you could start bribing back armies to start the reconquest

Thanks for sharing

[Ciaran]

Just how do you get so much money? I never can make so much, even though I´ve got my navy on all seas and trade buildings developed as high as possible in the respective provinces. I´ve difficulties scratching together the 4.000 for citadels, let alone the money for anything bigger.

[EatYerGreens]

Just how do you get so much money? I never can make so much, even though I´ve got my navy on all seas and trade buildings developed as high as possible in the respective provinces. I´ve difficulties scratching together the 4.000 for citadels, let alone the money for anything bigger.

I'm right with you on that. I'm more often than not on the wrong side of 4k myself.

It's 'snowball effect' though. The more you pull in from trade, the more you can expand trade post to merchants and upwards, which pulls in ever more trade income, so you'll soon have 80% farms and mine complexes everywhere. Each Acumen feather counts for 10% boost on province income, so stripping/reassigning governor titles such that you have Acumen 9 types looking after Constantinople and Flanders, rather than Arabia/Cyrenacia means you make the most out of the 90% booster.

Given time, you might reach a stage where every province you own is building or training something but the cashflow still exceeds the expenditure. The longer builds interrupt spending on a province for a lot of years, which only add to this.

The real key, though, is to have extended periods of peace, so that you can trade at all. There must come a stage, somewhere between 60-100% where you run out of factions to trade with at all and, the minute you declare war on the last remaining faction, all the massive trade income will be cut off completely and you'll go into massively negative cashflow if it turns out you've over-built your armies.

It's a pity the AI isn't programmed to realise that when about to be crushed by a large empire, which is peacefully turtling to earn vast sums of money, could extend its survival time by simply demolishing all its ports.

It's unlikely to do that, however, as they earn 20% of of what the exporter's getting, so waiting too long to finish them off could mean the final opponent is a bit more tough to finish off than you might expect.

Great screenshot though. This game is just packed with surprises.

[Shambles]

After Playing As the welsh in VI.

II find Money is to easy to accumilate When playing as egypt in the later campaigns,
And i often find my self with 17k And nothing to spend it on when i am using them,

Strange that others find it difficult to gather money.

ShambleS

[The Wizard]

Basically I have never suffered that. Amazing

[Vladimir]

Yes, at first I was lousy with money but after you learn the game it's quite easy.

[Budwise]

Say screw it, the computer just cheated so its your turn. Use the -ian cheat and become the French. Then use the .deadringer. cheat and bribe all those armies that are rebel.

[Budwise]

World record!!!!!

Irrealistic? Well, the whole known world is ruled by a tyrant. Then the tyrant loses controle with the known world. Isn't it the ideal situation for a massive rebellion to happen?

Depends if your a Tyrant. I never have much dread but a lot of happiness because I don't slaughter prisoners (even ringleaders) and I support happy building making. In fact, I wish some countries would just open the door to my rule because if I lived in a country and a nice leader wanted to "save us" from a Tyrant, I would not only drop my arms but I would support anyway I can. Don't quote me but when the Americans recaptured France and other territories, they weren't 100% sure that we wouldn't just keep them like the Nazis. I think faith and a less tyranical ruler would do wonders in persuading the public that life would be better WITH staying with a "Current but Foreign" leader than backing an evil but "National original" leader

[Budwise]

A few common steps will help to cure mass rebellions. I can speak because I have played to 100% four times now and if you do the following, the odds will be a lot less of that happening again.

1. Make sure when you have the money than you will ever need, build more troops in ALL territories as well as build "Happy" buildings.
2. Place at least two spys (I do three) in every territory you own.
3. NEVER EVER EVER use your king in ANY operations that would take him off the mainland - EVER!!!!!
4. This ones harder but to make absolutely sure they don't rebel, do this.

Right before you reach a certain percentage of territories that would trigger a mass rebellion, prepare with what I put above plus do this. Build up a massive army in every territory AND Make ALL your heirs in one stack, that way they can't rebel and kill your king off if hes old. Make sure his successor is AS YOUNG AS POSSIBLE. Then mass attack EVERYTHING, take over the world before your king dies and no mass rebellion.