why cant u give it away (BI RTW stupid A.I)

[sjmxru]

why cant u give it away! i dont seem to be able to give regions away to AI factions, i usually get the response we cannot match your offer...huh! i'm givin it away! is there a rectification to this?

also my allies wont join in the fight claimin they wont see my troops on the battlefield when they are right there waitin to go

i have BI installed, no mods

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Hi sjmxru,

why cant u give it away! i dont seem to be able to give regions away to AI factions, i usually get the response we cannot match your offer...huh! i'm givin it away! is there a rectification to this?

Sorry, but no - the AI is harcoded. In other words, it cannot be changed through basic modding. Its shame, since the AI often isn't very wise - especially when it comes to diplomacy.

There is a way of cheating your way around it though. Just before you submit your offer/demand press the ` key, directly below the "Esc" key, on your keyboard to open up the console.

In the area provided type:
"force_diplomacy accept"

Then press enter, and close the console using the ` key again.

This will force the AI to accept the deal placed before them. It is a very useful cheat when used in moderation, and under sensible circumstances (i.e. when a "real" player would probably accept your deal).

Other useful cheats related to diplomacy are:
"force_diplomacy decline" - forces the AI to turn down your diplomatic offer
"force_diplomacy off" - cancels out any previously entered "force_diplomacy" commands.

also my allies wont join in the fight claimin they wont see my troops on the battlefield when they are right there waitin to go

I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused as to your meaning. Could you describe this problem in more detail please? Thanks.

[caravel]

The diplomacy in RTW is notoriously flakey. In my current campaign as Egypt, which is one of my favourite, if rather ahistorical, factions in the game. I have had multiple ceasefire offers from the Seluecids and Pontus, whom have been attacking me year after year. Every time they offer a ceasefire I counter the offer with a demand that they give Sardis (Pontus) or Damascus (Seleucid). This works every time and they accept even though the proposal would "shame a helot". Then either the same turn or the following one they besiege the city they've just handed over to me. Damscus I've held on to for years and have now developed. Sardis in it's isolated position I simply couldn't reinforce but have defended it a few times successfully after stealing it from under their noses no less than three times through the ceasefire diplomacy trick.

I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused as to your meaning. Could you describe this problem in more detail please? Thanks.

I think maybe he's referring to the "ask faction x to attack faction y" type diplomacy and of faction x refusing?

[sjmxru]

thanks Al, i'll try that cheat when it seems, as u say, a player would accept

caravel your on the money, its attack if i do but they wont even when they are rivals

i get offers of ceasefire & become protectorate & like u say next turn bang, even when u get them to cough up a city or cash, nutters!

[caravel]

My favourite one is: "Ceasefire - accept or we will attack". So stop the war or you will attack me eh? Then if you offer the counter proposal the default is "please do not attack - accept or we will attack". It seems to me that a faction begging for a ceasefire is in no position to really threaten an attack if you don't accept it?!

[sjmxru]

i find that once u have been refused once then they dont want to know u, so i take it bit at a time, trade rights..... alliance......map info for..... give region f(rom me as gift)

on the flip side of stupid AI, u gotta love the greeks, doesn't seem to matter how many times u batter them in RTW they will always cough up for a ceasfire (i've funded campaigns on them)

& is it me of do the egyptians not form alliances with anyone?

[caravel]

I had forgotten, but the Greeks also once attacked Sardis in the same campaign I'm playing. I had accepted Pontus' ceasefire with the additional clause that they hand over Sardis, which they accepted and then was sitting back for the usual scenario where the evicted pontic army then lays siege to my new garisson of peasants and nubian spearmen. This time though the greeks moved in and laid siege. A few turns later they attack, and my men retreat to the square and hold them off almost to the death, causing them massive casualties (considering the greek army was three times the size of my garisson then they didn't do to badly) but ultimately losing the city to the greeks. So the next thing I decide to offer the greeks a ceasefire (just to restore trade income) and thinking they won't accept anyway add in the usual "give Sardis"........... and lo and behold "the proposal would shame a helot"... and sure enough here we go again, and the next turn Pontus lay siege to Sardis...

[sjmxru]

the're quite mad

[sjmxru]

Alex that cheat, can u spell it out only i tried it last night & it didnt work!

pushed ` in scroll area(after offer, before send), console came up, typed in force_diplomacy accept & got err try help?

even tried puttin whole thing between "" just incase

any ideas?

[rvg]

From what I have seen, when A.I. starts to refuse gifts like provinces/maps/etc, that usually means they are gearing up to attack you. I have never seen them refuse a one-time cash infusion though (but they will turn down a yearly tribute if they are on the warpath).

[Celtic_Punk]

i have the same problem

[vegetable]

Yeah, no fan of the diplomacy A.I. While playing as the Scipii, I had the Julii down to their last army/faction member and (I think) holding no territories. I gave them 3 territories and asked them to become a protectorate. They refused. I gave them 3 territories and asked for a ceasefire (hoping they'd ally with me later). They still refused.

[mrdun]

I have never had a protectorate!!

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

I have never had a protectorate!!

Yes, protectorates are a struggle to get hold of. It gets very irritaing if you are a Roman faction and the senate is demanding that you get your hands on one.

I have found though that pressure is often a good way of convincing your foes that entering your protection is probably an advisable measure. Placing all but one enemy city under siege and mass blockading of ports typically makes the enemy more willing to accept the treaty, although even then gaining their signature is fairly challenging. Cash sometimes helps with the more persistent factions, but very often its easier faster and less tedious to quite simply wipe them out.

[guineawolf]

which 1 gain more garrisson value in RTW:Barbarian Invasion? peasant or soldiers????

[mrdun]

Do garrisons go on troop number rather than quality. I think they do.

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

Do garrisons go on troop number rather than quality. I think they do.

In R:TW, that is correct. In BI, however, all units with the "peasant" attribute have half the public order effect that another unit would of that size. In vanilla BI, this attribute is only applied to the units identified under the name of "Peasants".

[guineawolf]

are they any way to modified it to Vanilla RTW value??

Coz i oredi get used to train peasants as garrisons(for PO of coz),just a little hard to handle the new way of public order management,and thanks for answering me!

[Celtic_Punk]

i find the best way to get a protectorate,Omanes Alexandrapolites, is to take every settlement but 2 or 1, and then move your armies in around their capitol, then blockade their ports (if any) and tell them youll kill them if they dont accept.

using their capitol to discuss matters seems to get more response, and or talking with the faction leader.

always juice up the deal with the promise of cash... nothing says "I love you" like a chest full of gold!

[Upxl]

why cant u give it away! i dont seem to be able to give regions away to AI factions, i usually get the response we cannot match your offer...huh! i'm givin it away! is there a rectification to this?

To increase your changes for a Ai faction to accept your settlement throw some denarii in the deal.
I usually give around 3000 - 5000
Most of the time it does the trick.

[Spartan198]

There is a way of cheating your way around it though. Just before you submit your offer/demand press the ` key, directly below the "Esc" key, on your keyboard to open up the console.

In the area provided type:
"force_diplomacy accept"

Then press enter, and close the console using the ` key again.

This will force the AI to accept the deal placed before them. It is a very useful cheat when used in moderation, and under sensible circumstances (i.e. when a "real" player would probably accept your deal).

Other useful cheats related to diplomacy are:
"force_diplomacy decline" - forces the AI to turn down your diplomatic offer
"force_diplomacy off" - cancels out any previously entered "force_diplomacy" commands.

I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused as to your meaning. Could you describe this problem in more detail please? Thanks.

That force_diplomacy cheat doesn't seem to work.

[Quirinus]

Yea, I thought it was just me. It didn't work for v1.3, now it doesn't work on v1.5 (albiet with VBM). I wanted to try and simulate some actual, logical diplomacy (i.e. I offer terms which are logical and very reasonable to human players, but know that the computer won't accept).

[Omanes Alexandrapolites]

That force_diplomacy cheat doesn't seem to work.

It turns out that it's one of the mystical cheats that was documented by the CA, but never actually worked correctly. It's a shame really - the diplomatic AI often could do with a little "assistance" in making its choices.

[Quirinus]

"You'll hand over lousy, poor Noricum for 10000 denarii."

"Ha! Preposterous! Bandying vords with you iz a pointless vaste of time."

*waves hand*

"You want to hand Noricum over to the Senate and the People of Rome."

"I vant to hand Noricum over to the Senate and ze People of Rome."

"You want to attack the filthy Dacians next."

"I vant to attack ze filthy Dacians next."

:3

[Brave]

Lots of money sweetens the deal.

[Hound of Ulster]

"You'll hand over lousy, poor Noricum for 10000 denarii."

"Ha! Preposterous! Bandying vords with you iz a pointless vaste of time."

*waves hand*

"You want to hand Noricum over to the Senate and the People of Rome."

"I vant to hand Noricum over to the Senate and ze People of Rome."

"You want to attack the filthy Dacians next."

"I vant to attack ze filthy Dacians next."

Jedi mind trick.

I've tried cash inducements and they never work for me. It seems certain factions get a bug up the butt for your hide and won't stop until either you are the AI faction in question have been knocked out.

[CaptainBlack]

Lots of money sweetens the deal.

Yea.. I usually use the money cheat before giving away a region. I give them a nice sum of money along with the city and they don't refuse.

[Quirinus]

Heh, that's an idea. Since it doesn't benefit the player, and it does the job in the place of the broken force_diplomacy, I don't suppose it should be considered as 'real' cheating.

How much money do you commonly give them?

[CaptainBlack]

Yea..In all honesty since when is giving them a province cheating lol.

But I usually put the money cheat in for 40000 then give them that same amount. It has worked for me everytime, I usually use it to start wars with countries, or aid a country.(which really doesn't work in the long run because if you help them out to much they get big-headed and attack you)

[Lt Nevermind]

I haven't had protectorates for quite a while so I'm not 100 % sure about how things were after a succesful bargain. Anyways I think that your protectorate pays you a certain amount of tribute each turn - I believe the amount was the protectorates treasury minus their current spendings, in other words, their leftover cash. This seemed to result in a situation where you get virtually all your 'bribery' cash back on the next turn due to the factions inability to spend X0,000 denarii on a turn. Hence, if you have lots of money already, you don't even have to use cheats for softing the alliance because you get your money back right away. I emphasize however that this is an 'ad hook' memory.