EB Manual in progress

[stupac]

Hello there.

I'm working on a semi-comprehensive manual for EB. This thread is for the purpose of me getting a little feedback.

EDIT: Seeing as that this project has gained some interest among several of my colleagues here, at hooahguy's suggestion I have created a wiki for those who are interested in participating in this project. If you would like to help out, pm me your email or wikispaces username (if you have one) so I can send you an invite. Or if you'd like to just go ahead and register a wikispaces username using your forum username, then request to join I'll add you as well.

Edit: If you'd just like to critique/comment on the project, discussion on any page should be open to anyone with a free wikispaces account.

Update 3/13/08: Most topics have a good amount of text, but feedback would be appreciated, please go to the wiki and review a few pages, feel free to post comments in discussion.

The wiki can be found here: http://ebmanual.wikispaces.com

Here is the basic draft outline (this is rough, and these are not official section titles):

I. Europa Barbarorum (about the mod, as well as some basic terminology)
II. Installation
  A. Steps to Install
    1. RTW
    2. Free Space
    3. Download
    4. Install
    5. Starting the mod
  B. Additional Install Notes
    1. Finding RTW Dir
    2. Parallel Install
    3. EB and other mods
    4. Vista Note
III. Playing the Mod
  A. Performance
  B. Starting a Campaign
    1. Choosing a Faction (translation of faction names included)
    2. Difficulty
    3. Quickstart Tutorial
  C. Custom/Historical Battles
IV. Campaign Map
  A. Economy
    1. Making money
    2. Army Upkeep
  B. Governments
    1. Overview of government types and advantages
    2. Nomad Governments
    3. Civic Structures
    4. Client Rulers
  C. Recruitment
    1. AOR and MICs
    2. Fleets
  D. Family Members and Agents
    1. Traits
    2. Supply
    3. Spies
    4. Diplomats
  E. Reforms
    1. Requirements (labeled as spoilers)
    2. How to get them
V. Battles
  A. Differences between RTW
    1. Fatigue
    2. Missiles and slingers
    3. Calvary
  B. Special Units
    1. Chariots
    2. Elephants
    3. Gestae
    4. Cataphracts
    5. Horse Archers
VI. Appendices
  A. Bugs and reporting
  B. BI and ALX
  C. Recruitment viewer
  D. Roleplaying
VII. Credits (EB Team and anyone I consulted for the manual)

I am planning to release the final version in .doc and .pdf, possibly in hyperlinked html as well. So far I am working with 8.5x11 page settings to preserve the ability for it to be printed on standard paper if one is so inclined. I will not be attempting to repeat items that are already in the Rome Total War manual, but trying to highlight differences between EB and RTW and maybe inserting some lesser known facts like how difficulty effects gameplay and switching weapons on calvary.

Thank you. And as always, thanks EB team, if it weren't for you this effort would be in vain.

[Bellum]

Hmm, I don't know about Alexander, but there is no need to uninstall a version of RTW with BI. Also, copy/pasting the folder works in XP, too. Otherwise, I think it's a good guide so far. Don't forget to mention the different whatchomachalits that you have to switch out for the campaign and custom battles.

[stupac]

Hmm, I don't know about Alexander, but there is no need to uninstall a version of RTW with BI. Also, copy/pasting the folder works in XP, too. Otherwise, I think it's a good guide so far. Don't forget to mention the different whatchomachalits that you have to switch out for the campaign and custom battles.

Thanks Bellum for looking at the draft. I didn't realize that in XP, haven't used it in so long and couldn't remember. I don't know what I had in mind about BI and ALX, I think I got confused because for a while I had lost my RTW discs, but I had my BI, so I could only play with BI. I don't know, I will correct that, thanks. I won't forget about the 'whatchomachalits,' but I was reserving that for the next section on playing the mod. I will try to upload a revised installation draft as soon as I have a chance to do it.

Thanks, keep em comin.

Edit: Corrected those blatant mistakes and reuploaded them in the first post. I'm sure there are many others but we'll correct those as we come to them.

[LorDBulA]

It would be nice to mention that patching order for RTW is 1.3 and then 1.5.

[stupac]

It would be nice to mention that patching order for RTW is 1.3 and then 1.5.

Point taken, thank you.

[Nikaïa's tyrannos]

Oh my GOD!!!

Thanks to your manual I finally find my saved game files. You're awesome.

It's a good beginning of the guide though I find one mistake (I think since English is not my primary language)

If these instructions do not make since to you,

Isn't it sense?

I hope I will help you more in the gameplay part. Also you could add a part about spies and diplomats because it seems (at least to me) that spies are much more efficient (to trigger rebellion in ennemy cities but also to prevent yours to rebel) and the ambassador traits make the diplomats not only useful for diplo-relations.

It would be good to insert everywhere in the guide some variation around: "Do not forget to activate the script!", "Hey! Did you see that flashing guy in the upper left corner? He wants to tell you something..." or "The scriiiiipt! Do not forget it!"

[fahrenheit]

Heres an idea, once you get th manual finished you should have it open to critique for the whole public, people can add things or suggest changes. That way it would be built by the whole community instead of one person, and therefor contain more probably better information.

[Hooahguy]

IIRC, wikipedia has an online page that allows people to edit freely on documents you post.....
ill try to get a link up soon. i would love to help with this project!
EDIT: here it is: http://www.wikispaces.com/

[stupac]

Heres an idea, once you get th manual finished you should have it open to critique for the whole public, people can add things or suggest changes. That way it would be built by the whole community instead of one person, and therefor contain more probably better information.

Absolutely. I want this to be a community product, and I'm certain it will be better for it as I don't have great confidence in my own abilities. But, we aren't there yet, and though I'm fine with writing the whole thing myself; some kind folks like BMI challenged friend, overweightninja, have offered to submit sections I haven't even had a chance to work on yet. I don't want to suggest that this is "my" project and therefore I make all the rules. I just want to urge everyone to participate in an adult manner and discuss things rationally. I've just been in too many forums and community projects that dissolve into bickering that I may be a little gun shy. Once again, I'm sure this forum is the exception. What we have is open to the community at all times for critique and as sections are added they too will be available as well.

[Hooahguy]

IMO, the only way it will be a community project is if you take the entire guide which you have done so far, and post it on the wikispaces, so others can edit it easier.

[stupac]

I just saw your edit, I will set up one as soon as I can. I'm kind of busy tonight though. I don't have much wiki experience, but it is a great idea, hooahguy, thanks.

[stupac]

I hastily created a wiki. Please note the blank pages I created were based on my outline and tentative, I'm sure as we start discussing things we'll get a better idea of the structure.

Here it is:

http://ebmanual.wikispaces.com

If anyone wants an invite, pm me your email or wikispaces username if you have one.

[Maion Maroneios]

Good idea, stupac. Keep up the great work!

[overweightninja]

Are you sure a Wiki is the best way to go? Surely that just puts us back to stage one? I would suggest that if people cannot find out some of the basic info via the existing website, and then beyond that these forums, a wiki probably wont make a huge difference.
I'm not saying a wiki is a bad idea (I thought we already had one actually but there you go nvm hehe) but its applications beyond submissions of work or simple reference I'm not sure about, I don't think it fits to the objective of a game "manual".
Cheers

[stupac]

Are you sure a Wiki is the best way to go? Surely that just puts us back to stage one? I would suggest that if people cannot find out some of the basic info via the existing website, and then beyond that these forums, a wiki probably wont make a huge difference.
I'm not saying a wiki is a bad idea (I thought we already had one actually but there you go nvm hehe) but its applications beyond submissions of work or simple reference I'm not sure about, I don't think it fits to the objective of a game "manual".
Cheers

What it does is make the document easier to edit between multiple people who want to participate in the project. Basically it will work the same way as I had it setup (me uploading drafts to rapidshare, posting here and accepting corrections and submissions through email, and discussions taking place here) just easier so I don't have to be constantly uploading and checking my email, it also makes it easier for us to discuss versions of a section. This will allow us to get the text of the document completed. Once we have all the sections completed, I will take it and convert it to a document (.doc) and .pdf, along with additional graphics, table of contents, and credits. I hope the wiki will allow us to collaborate better and faster.

[Hooahguy]

i wrote the battle section for the manual- but not the fatigue part- is there any difference with regards to that between RTW & EB?

[overweightninja]

Once we have all the sections completed, I will take it and convert it to a document (.doc) and .pdf, along with additional graphics, table of contents, and credits. I hope the wiki will allow us to collaborate better and faster.

Okay then, sounds good to me.

[keravnos]

On behalf of the team I want to thank you for your work and commitment.
Keep up the great work.

[stupac]

The interest on this project has died down considerably, but I've continued working on it. I would like some feedback, especially from EB team members if possible, but any will suffice. Looks like most topics have been completed, especially regarding game play. Please take a look, and post comments on the page (edit: you don't have to be a member of the space, but you will need a free wikispaces account) if you have a little time. Remember, that the original goal of this project was not to produce a wiki, but a single distributable document (pdf) that could be downloaded or even included in EB and also be printable if so desired (though as it is it may be too long for some folks). Thank you very much.

http://ebmanual.wikispaces.com/

[overweightninja]

The interest on this project has died down considerably, but I've continued working on it. I would like some feedback, especially from EB team members if possible, but any will suffice. Looks like most topics have been completed, especially regarding game play. Please take a look, and post comments on the page (no registration required) if you have a little time. Remember, that the original goal of this project was not to produce a wiki, but a single distributable document (pdf) that could be downloaded or even included in EB and also be printable if so desired (though as it is it may be too long for some folks). Thank you very much.

http://ebmanual.wikispaces.com/

Mate I'm still waiting on you to make me an account
I sent you a PM a while back with my e-mail like you asked, need a resend?
Cheers

[stupac]

Hmm, I got your PM and accepted your request to join the space some time ago overweightninja, and your username, overweightninja, is shown as a member on my management screen. Do you still have access to that account? I should have pmed you a while back, but I just assumed you didn't have time to help out, I'm terribly sorry. Try to get on the space, sign in and you should be able to edit pages, if you can't, then pm me and we'll figure it out.

[pezhetairoi]

Must include a paragraph on 'NO Lorica Segmentata'.

[stupac]

Must include a paragraph on 'NO Lorica Segmentata'.

Aha, I knew I must have forgotten something. Though do you honestly think it will make a difference?