Tainted Evil [Non-mafia, BR style'd game] (Game Information & Summary Thread)

[Reenk Roink]

I have about 50 or so TE PM's scattered about with my billions of Settlement PM's that I didn't delete for my commentary which seems ever less of becoming a reality.

But basically, this is my synopsis:

Pregame: Hmm, sounds like a cool game. Whoops, you mean I have to choose one of these classes? Ok, I will go scout because of all the cool gizmos. What weapon? Flamer, sounds funny.

Days 1 -3: Ok, this sounded cool but have I gotten myself into? I have no idea is going on. pever seems confident enough we will win, so that's good. Now I should probably stop delaying the game and get taka my orders. Yes, I'll just move towards pever because I really don't know what else to do. Hmm, I think just telling taka "move towards pever" makes me look extremely noob like I am. I know, I'll pretend to be pro and send an orbital bombardment at a random spot acting like I got intelligence and stuff. What? I only have one atm!

Day 4-7: OH NO! pever is asking me to take over his commands for a couple of rounds. Wow, I hope I don't get ourselves killed. K, the plan will be to move close to each other. Hmm, there is some enemy close by but who? I'm too much of a sissy to find out so I'll lob some frag grenades and avoid them. Woot got orbital again and pever is back plus I learned how to use the map!

Day 7-10: pever recruited shlin. He seems pretty up to date on this stuff, so good. OMG HI BEEFY! Haha, so that's where Yoyoma is. ORBITAL! DIRECT HIT! Aw, not dead yet, still was pretty cool. K we found the relic! Wow Reenk you are so pro getting Beefy on board, orbitaling Yoyoma and finding the relic. Act all cool and stuff, only taka knows about your true noobness.

Day 11-14: Ok, , why aren't I home yet. Always getting disrupted. Hmm, after several hints taka blatantly states I am being betrayed. But who. Better send a threatening PM to shlin and Beefy saying you'll orbital them both. After all taka did say something about 2 orbitals. Or maybe not but it's a good thing to say anyway (btw did I ever get two orbitals, I think I read something but maybe I just imagined it). Damn, both of them denied it. K, well, let's go hop on Beefy's ride. I'm dead! It was Beefy! No wait, taka says it was shlin. Makes sense, that Shaylin character taka kept telling me about might have rung a bell but I'm stupid. Ah well, I get to be a machine. Better just cover pever and Beefy until they reach home. YAY!

No swearing or abbreviations of such

[taka]

Commentry

right, lets have a quick talk about all the factions:

Major factions

Space Marines - pever and Reenk

objective was to find the relic and get out. Reenk picked to be scouts, forgoing powerful grey knights and tac marines for stealth, items and abilities. pever picked termies over tac marines and assault marines.

Overall the marines were one of the weakest in terms of unit hp and firepower. However, there was two of them, so they needed to work together to get anything done. This was not an easy task though because they were on opposite ends of the map with enemies between them. Their playing style was to get as many allies and finish the mission by working together.

Reenk's was one of the weakest units along with flax, but what he had and flax didnt was the Orbital Bombardment. It had a 50% accuracy and instant death (apart from daemons) to those in the square. He wasted his first one on a totally random square and had to wait for Drop Pod to get another, which was used more appropriately on the daemon prince. Reenk's units were totally obsolete 1/3 into the game when daemons came into play. however he had huge movement (4 squares, only bested by flax's 5 squares) and when coupled with the speeder given to him by pever, a massive 6 squares. Shlin however (being infiltrated into the group and knowing what was happening) orders a Bloodthrister to scare reenk and crash his speeder, a devious move by shlin he was then later block by shlin again and then met his fate to shlin's guns. he came back as a dreadnought.

pever on the otherhand, was more powerful, but was slow at only 1 square movement. at the end, he managed to get the relic to the extraction point with the help of beefy's tanks and reenk's dreadnought, which got in the way of a powerful attack by the Lord of change.

Chaos Marines - shlin

objective was to either find the relic and get out OR to turn daemon and kill everyone, the mafia of the game. shlin picked the versatile chaos marines over raptors and berserkers.

Chaos marines had more units than most other players (aside from orkz) and admittingly, probably one of the most fun roles to play imo. he could choose his own god and legion, giving him extra powers and skills, but he HAD to be aggressive to make us of the advantage. The more he killed, the more he got from the Chaos Gods. Being the lone bad guy, shlin had the world world against him and was in the middle of the map, surrounded by his enemies. However, his commands were excellently detailed and so made his infiltration into the Space Marines group easy. The SM grp had no idea shlin was the bad guy although they suspected that somthing was wrong. Towards the end, he manages to trick everyone and grab the relic from the SM, and then turning daemon.

However, I'm not really sure if it worked out or not, but he turtled the first few rounds and didnt do much, when he could have gone out and killed a load of people, boosting his powers. He did however, use his illusionary images to confuse and disrupt a lot of people and very effectively used it towards the end to steal the relic. But his transformation to the Lord of Change was a little too late in the game to be of any great significance. If he kept the relic to himself and ran to his own extraction point, he may have won the game.

Orkz - Ares, White eyes and Yoyoma

objective was to kill all the other players, kinda like the serial killers of the game. Ares and Yoyoma chose flash gitz and white eyes storm boys.

The orkz were by far the most powerful and numerous faction at phase 1. They were there to put the pressure on everyone to stop camping. with 400hp and 250 for storm boyz, hard hitting AND constant reinforcements, the Orkz would have been incredibly hard to kill. They were a bit confused to start with and chose to defend their banner instead of going out and killing people. However, yoyoma and white eyes went out on rampage a few turns after. Ares being WOG'd wasnt really that much of a damage to the Orkz but when Yoyoma turned daemon, that was when the Orks were in trouble. The real boost came when most people were camping and so i gave the orks special powers including extra firepower, movement and stealth detection increase. They took out quite a few units from various players at this point. When yoyoma turned daemon, they lost the power and white eyes was the only ork left. This wasnt a real big problem though because white eyes became the new warboss and was given extra powers - including extra reinforcements each turn. If he retreated and regrouped (like what orks do) and amassed a new full squad, he could have done massive damage to the remaining phase 1 units. However he wanted his sup'd up unit, so I gave it him early to balance things out.

White eyes then decided to look for the relic to deprive the other players of getting it so increasing his chance of winning, but was 10 minutes too late as reenk sent his orders in just before WE. this was reflected in reenk and white eye's write-up where the relics "disappeared" right in front of him.

By the time it got into late phase two white eyes, like most of the other phase 2 units, became obsolete and had to think of different ways to win (for example allying with other units to take down the daemons etc). but this never happened.

Yoyoma as everyone knows turned to be the first daemon. His signature move was to urinate on things, like when he urinated on a tank he had defeated and onto the avatar's face to blind him. By turning to daemon, his objective kinda remained the same BUT he had to kill everyone including orks and chaos forces. When he first appeared and everyone was ganging up on him, he was VERY VERY close to being defeated, only having something like a 1/4 life left or something. If everyone else pushed on to find and kill him, Yoyoma would have been removed as a threat, but he was allowed to get to full strength and he became the game's most powerful player with 1300hp and 100 damge (the avatar was 700 hp and 150 damage, and the Lord of change was 1000hp and 100 damage)


Minor factions

Eldars - Flax

The most isolated faction of the game, Flax went with the stealthy scouts as opposed to reapers and howling banshees. He got very good skills and items, but lacked the firepower and hp.

Flax's commands were also very good, the 2nd best in the game. He used his items wisely and moved alot. He would stealthily travel south and didnt even attack anyone when he had the chance to. "patience will win the day" was his motto . He was unlucky to have met WE when he was given the powerup as he was stomped to death by WE as he only had a measly 40hp (compared to WE's 250). However, i had planned that he would come back as the counter-daemon after his death anyways.

When he was Avatar, he needed to keep harassing the daemon prince to stop him from materialising (noted from Blood ravens omnibus). he did his job well, but the daemon prince managed to escape and avoid everyone for two days, releasing his full power. after that the avatar was at a HP disadvantage, 700 vs 1300. None the less, he managed to survive an attacked by both Chaos daemons at one time.

Imperial Guards - Beefy

The second minor faction. Beefy went with ogryns as opposed to massed guardsmen and kasrkins.

also isolated at the bottom of the map with the orkz to the west and chaos marines to the north, Beefy's best chance was to find the SM and request for an alliance. He did manage to get the alliance he asked for mid-game with the daemon prince hot on his tail trying to stomp him however, he was able to stealth one round which was probably his life-saving round.
After meeting up with the SM, things started to turn out good for beefy, even with the occasional battle with the daemons or killa kan, he managed to help out the marines win, as opposed to him winning his own main objective. He was also the first player to use the map for interaction eg serch building for items, etc


Notable Events:

yoyoma's turn to daemon meant that it became much harder for the orks to win, and was a major concern for everyone else. this also unlocked Flax's Avatar and the start of phase 2 units.

shlin's betrayal disrupted the SM victory by a good few rounds and then stole the relic for himself.

Overall, i must say well done to the Victors for their organisation skills

and those that nearly made it - more alliance and deception needed from you

[taka]

I have about 50 or so TE PM's scattered about with my billions of Settlement PM's that I didn't delete for my commentary which seems ever less of becoming a reality.

But basically, this is my synopsis:

Pregame: Hmm, sounds like a cool game. Whoops, you mean I have to choose one of these classes? Ok, I will go scout because of all the cool gizmos. What weapon? Flamer, sounds funny.

Days 1 -3: Ok, this sounded cool but have I gotten myself into? I have no idea is going on. pever seems confident enough we will win, so that's good. Now I should probably stop delaying the game and get taka my orders. Yes, I'll just move towards pever because I really don't know what else to do. Hmm, I think just telling taka "move towards pever" makes me look extremely noob like I am. I know, I'll pretend to be pro and send an orbital bombardment at a random spot acting like I got intelligence and stuff. What? I only have one atm!

Day 4-7: OH NO! pever is asking me to take over his commands for a couple of rounds. Wow, I hope I don't get ourselves killed. K, the plan will be to move close to each other. Hmm, there is some enemy close by but who? I'm too much of a sissy to find out so I'll lob some frag grenades and avoid them. Woot got orbital again and pever is back plus I learned how to use the map!

Day 7-10: pever recruited shlin. He seems pretty up to date on this stuff, so good. OMG HI BEEFY! Haha, so that's where Yoyoma is. ORBITAL! DIRECT HIT! Aw, not dead yet, still was pretty cool. K we found the relic! Wow Reenk you are so pro getting Beefy on board, orbitaling Yoyoma and finding the relic. Act all cool and stuff, only taka knows about your true noobness.

Day 11-14: Ok, , why aren't I home yet. Always getting disrupted. Hmm, after several hints taka blatantly states I am being betrayed. But who. Better send a threatening PM to shlin and Beefy saying you'll orbital them both. After all taka did say something about 2 orbitals. Or maybe not but it's a good thing to say anyway (btw did I ever get two orbitals, I think I read something but maybe I just imagined it). Damn, both of them denied it. K, well, let's go hop on Beefy's ride. I'm dead! It was Beefy! No wait, taka says it was shlin. Makes sense, that Shaylin character taka kept telling me about might have rung a bell but I'm stupid. Ah well, I get to be a machine. Better just cover pever and Beefy until they reach home. YAY!

You know, reading from a host point of view, that is absolutely freakin hilarious u have no idea how much i am laughing at your synopsis

[White_eyes:D]

this was reflected in reenk and white eye's write-up where the relics "disappeared" right in front of him.

You went by what time they were sent in???? (I am not up at 3:00am most of the time.....I thought you random.ORG it....or we had a speed thing.....I am really upset with that now....


and allying with anyone.....bad idea....I was the orks.....even if I would have killed the demon....I would have been wasted by the Space Marines shortly after.....


Overall:Orks needed a better "objective" or a "super unit".....you knew when I lost most of buddies it was game over for the orks..... We had the damn thing at the start....if we would have ran away with it....like everyone else we would have won.....

[Beefy187]

What I did in the game

Day 1-14: Umm run!!

My motto was Hit and away.. I think it worked.

Good game for my Space Marines Buddies! You've made it!

Also.. Apologies to TheFlax.. So you weren't Chaos after all

I think Shlin and White_eyes had a good game over all.. In terms of deception and cunningness

[taka]

being very honest, The orks were over-powered at the beginning, and after the loss of ares and yoyoma could still hold your grounds when you became the warboss, being quite balanced althought harder to win.

on full squad, you could deal 25x2 =50 + jetpack bonus (+20) and then your opponent elimination bonus of +15% damage = 81 damage.

at peak damage you did nearly a 100 damage, rivalling that of a daemon or two Leman Russ tanks.

when you lost 6 units to the terminators you wanted to quit the game because of massive damage, but when flax was outright killed in one go, he said nothing apart from "i knew i was gonna die when i lost my sneakyness ". please dont forget that the Orks were one of the strongest units around, receiving reinforcements EVERYDAY and with higher HP and Damage than most other players right from the start. The Ork's main strategy was to 'retreat, regroup and attack' which im sure you know since you played the dwan of war series. i stimulated this by giving you reinforcements everyday. if you retreated for 2 days, that would have been 8 units recovered

i also gave you your 2nd phase unit early. if i gave you a 3rd that would have made it unfair for everyone else. if i gave u a squiggy, i would have needed to give the SM a titan and the IG a baneblade, and made shlin tzeentch himself

Most host base their happenings on time of pm received, even reenk did so in the settlement. in a game dynamic as this, thats the only way i can host it. i always press that everyone should send me their pms early, as early pms will give you advantages.

your objectives were achievable, but i admit, would be hard. thats why you need to do things with other players. if for example, you teamed up with the anti daemons (eg SM) and then turned on the anti daemons, you would have still won as your superious numbers, damage, hp and constant reinforcements gave you a massive advantage.

yes you guys did have the relic at the start, but you also encouraged yoyoma to open the box. if he kept the relic on him, how would the others have had the chance? and your objective was to kill everyone, not to keep the box

i know you are unhappy, but as a first game (thats not even a std mafia one!), theres much i need to improve on and i know that. all i can say is that next game (if i host one) i will try harder.

thank you for your support and opinion

[taka]

What I did in the game

Day 1-14: Umm run!!

My motto was Hit and away.. I think it worked.

Good game for my Space Marines Buddies! You've made it!

Also.. Apologies to TheFlax.. So you weren't Chaos after all

I think Shlin and White_eyes had a good game over all.. In terms of deception and cunningness

every turn, i would get a pm for commands and one of the lines would always be something along the lines of:

"shoot the enemy and run if they get too close"

[White_eyes:D]

I think Shlin and White_eyes had a good game over all.. In terms of deception and cunningness

You have got to be kidding me.... I just stopped camping.....and running.....shlin gets that award...
(One of my pm's, was something like....."Kill everything that moves while moving to point Ect....")


taka, you need to understand.....I live half way across the planet.....I tend to sleep when you would post and ask for orders... I knew something was up.....when I keep missing the relic...you need a speed system... its not fair that I live on the the other half of the world is it??

[Reenk Roink]

taka, you need to understand.....I live half way across the planet.....I tend to sleep when you would post and ask for orders... I knew something was up.....when I keep missing the relic...you need a speed system... its not fair that I live on the the other half of the world is it??

So do I. Too slow Mr. Ork, too slow...

[White_eyes:D]

So do I. Too slow Mr. Ork, too slow...

Yeah...but you live on the east coast.... that's three hours less

[TheFlax]

Also.. Apologies to TheFlax.. So you weren't Chaos after all

For some reason I decided to trick you into thinking I was Chaos. (My reaction was completely faked) I realized seconds later that it was completely irrelevant to the game and didn't help me.

Now unto the commentary of the mighty Eldars.

As it was mentioned, I had to chose between Dark Reapers, Howling Banshees and Rangers. Normally I would go with the Banshees since I find them pretty cool, but I chose the Rangers for the same reason Reenk chose the Scouts; neat abilities.

Even before the game started I had a strategy in mind, using my rapid movement during the day and the night to get into a good central position, plant a distress flare with a booby trap and wait for someone to come, armed with Range 3 Sniper Rifles and Grenades. Since I was pretty excited and bored by a paper for school, I wrote a little story introducing my squad and their mission, tying in to the short and mysterious description taka had written.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Xalfalai emerged from the webway gate with another ranger and at once they scanned the surroundings with their helmet's auspex. Nothing was amiss and he removed his conic helmet of blue and yellow, exposing an elongated face with a pale complexion, dark almond shaped eyes and long silky hair of a light brown. Breathing in, he looked around.

« So this is Orgah? It is not much to look at Eliandra. » Xalfalai spoke in melodious tones dripping with contempt.

His companion also removed her helmet, revealing a face with many similar features, if only more feminine and with dark hair.

« Nevertheless, the relic is on this world, as the Farseer fortold. Our task is clear. » The female Eldar replied in a similar musical voice, but devoid of emotions. Xalfalai nodded and tested the sights on his long rifle, there was not much else to do, but centurial beings were nothing if not patient.

Half a rotation later, Xalfalai noted that the wait was over. Two figures clad in a mesh armor of blue and yellow, covered with a camouflage cloak, emerged from the brush. One moment they were invisible, the next they appeared in plain view. Such was the ability of Eldar Rangers, unsurpassed in stealth and cunning.

« So? » Xalfalai asked them curtly.

The first of the two replied. « It is as the Farseer said, the world in overrun by the greenskins. The Orks have amassed a large Waaagh and strike, in typical fashion, without strategy or plan at the many settlements of this world. »

« But there is another force present here. » Interjected the second. « The Mon-keigh tainted by the warp are also here, we know not their motives, but we suspect they seek the same relic we do. »

Xalfalai frowned, these minor inconviniences, while inconsequential alone, might pose a threat if combined. « What of the humans of this world? »

« They fight valiantly » Answered the first of the two Eldars. « But they are doomed to failure, even if they do not yet know it. The forces amassed against them are too numerous and they are too primitive to devise a stratagem which could save them. »

Xalfalai stood thoughtful for a moment, before slipping on his helmet once more. « We will use the struggle of these Mon-keigh as cover for our operation. They will never know... » The Eldar stopped as his companions looked to the skies. Drop pods were descending upon the atmosphere of Orgah bearing the false God Emperor's children, the Space Marines.

« Fools! » Eliandra intoned.

« They are children. » One of the Rangers continued.

« They do not understand. » The other replied.

« Their meddling changes nothing. » Xalfalai finished. « For Alaitoc. »

« For Alaitoc. » The other three responded in unison.

In an unmarked clearing of the planet Orgah, four lithe figures disappeared into the thick woods.

Then the game started and taka announced that there was no night phase, prompting a question from me and then my denying having any night movement or abilities. (Again pointless denial ) I guess I got a little too much into character, because I was very arrogant in my refusal to adapt to this new more "action-oriented" change. I kept my plan and soon enough I had planted a beacon not far from the middle of the map.

By that time, a relic or more (??) had been taken and after waiting a round or two, I realized no one really cared about my flare. My plan had failed and things went downhill from then on. The anti-camping orbital bombardments were closing in. (Curse you taka for scaring me out of hiding. ) Around that time, schoolwork started piling up and I paid less attention to the game. I gave a few late (and very brief) commands ordering a move towards the city.

For all those rounds I had spotted about no one, then out of nowhere I got a PM telling me that some voice were approaching and talking about crushing me. I was flustered, my 95% stealth had been pierced. I ran, placing a booby trap behind me (totally useless as White_Eyes:D had jumpacks) but basically I knew at this point it was GG from the Eldars.

To my surprise I was offered to be revived into a Wraithlord (Walker) or if I waited until Phase 2, I could respawn as the Avatar of Khaine. I picked the Avatar and that very same round, Phase 2 kicked it. My main goal was to find Yoyoma and kill him and that's what I set out to do, with my decent movement of 4 and sight of 5 I quickly found him but was delayed by giving bad commands which sent me in the wrong direction. (I was tired and only glanced at the map, getting the axis' wrong.) When I finally closed in on Yoyoma, we slugged it out for the rest of the game.

In my opinion, the first phase of the game was very fun, even if the only thing I did was getting splattered by White_Eyes:D. All along until my death, I felt I had many options and had more to do than say: "Attack target X". Which brings me to the Avatar of Khaine. At first I'll admit there was a coolness factor of being 30ft. tall and pretty powerful, but soon I found playing him pretty boring. My turns came down to "Move there and Attack if Daemon Prince is in range." Maybe I missed something, but it didn't seem I could do anything else.

All in all, I had fun. Thank you for the game taka, you did very well for your first game. I have no complaints about your hosting. If you ever make a part two, I'd like it if most, if not all, units had abilities to activate. On a strategic level, it makes things more interesting.

Finally, I'm interested in seeing your notes about the game. You can email me at: the_flax@hotmail.com

[pevergreen]

Im in australia, get over it.

I got a few orks killed, but then when that killakan took out like 3 terminators in one turn, then the eldar illusions and everything.

I live though.

In hindsight, WHY DIDNT YOU TAKE GREY KNIGHTS?

And you wouldn't have given me a titan. Then I would win.

If you host another one, let me know and I'll throw in my knowledge of 40k.

Great fun, I enjoyed that much more than BR, even though I forgot I had drop pods.

[White_eyes:D]

I hate it when I lose.....and due to 10 minutes too..... it's at that point, you ask yourself..."What was it all good for???"

anyways....if we all would have fought to the end....it would have been better.. I thought the Space Marines were the "Xeno-phobic manics?"

In the end....a titan was used on us anyway....

[Yoyoma1910]

I think you all probably would have enjoyed this more if you had thought about more than just making chop chop on everyone.

I had a lot of fun with my orders... there was one where I was going to try and turn Beefy and his tanks into a pizza. Of course, then a certain Avatar stopped me.

[TheFlax]

I think you all probably would have enjoyed this more if you had thought about more than just making chop chop on everyone.

I had a lot of fun with my orders... there was one where I was going to try and turn Beefy and his tanks into a pizza. Of course, then a certain Avatar stopped me.

At least I did something right.

[Beefy187]

Catch me if you can

[Yoyoma1910]

Catch me if you can

Next time, I'm going to insist on being one of those flying monkeys from the wizard. Then you better watch out.

[taka]

thanks everyone

@flax

you have mail!

yes, looking back at the game, i think phase 2 was a bad idea in that it probably got a bit boring being a bit too "super". if i was ever to host another (maybe after beefy's Noble sons and my small mafia) i think i will keep it so that everyone gets phase 1 equivalent units and everyone gets abilities. maybe the fact that some players know that they could potentially get wiped out in one go would add more depth and careful planning to commands. thank you for the suggestion

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On the whole i think players like shlin, flax and yoyoma had a slight edge in game due to their commands being creative. this then leads me to the next point of improvement. i think apart from the mathematical mechanics to the game, a certain amount of dynamics need to be implemented. when i said chaos could not ally with loyalist, shlin comes up with some of the best commands that just make me have to bend my own rules because his commands we logical and realistic (being a hardcore fan of warhammer also helped him a lot). In the next game, i'm sure that i will take away some of the maths and let the players add more custom dynamic commands that could affect the outcome.

If there is enough players willing to join on a next one, i will deffinately host another with hopefully more improvements

[shlin28]

Me hardcore? I don't even play table top I just played the PC games and read some WH40K books

Could you also send teh notes to shlin28@gmail.com please

[taka]

you have mail too!

i did have an idea about what i was gonna do for the mafia game coming up, but im really tempted to change everything to an Inquisition based theme after reading dan abnett's eisenhorn. damn that was a good book. after finishing dawn of war omnibus, im gonna go on amazon and buy a few more books lol

[shlin28]

Buy the Horus Heresy series!!! There are 10 books out now, another coming this year, and who knows how many next year

They explain A LOT about what happened 10 thousand years before 40K, including one whole book dedicated to the awsomeness that is the Alpha Legion.

[taka]

i bought the first one and plan to buy the rest once ive done, and tell you what.......... i even bought "The Horus Heresy, collected visions".... you know, the big fat full colour hardcover one thats what got me motivated to host this game

[shlin28]

Ooh... nice! If only it was just a bit cheaper...

If you are going to buy the whole HH series up to now, I suggest that you do not buy "Battle For the Abyss". It is not related to any of the other stories so you are not missing anything.

*stops off topic chat*

[TheFlax]

you have mail too!

i did have an idea about what i was gonna do for the mafia game coming up, but im really tempted to change everything to an Inquisition based theme after reading dan abnett's eisenhorn. damn that was a good book. after finishing dawn of war omnibus, im gonna go on amazon and buy a few more books lol

I was going to mention Eisenhorn in response to some books being mentioned, because, as you said, it was awesome. It really gave me a new perspective on the Warhammer 40K universe. Space Marines in that trilogy, be they Chaos or Loyalists, are incredible. The few scenes in which they appear, you get to see how vastly superior they are to normal humans. The Karskin also get major props in one of the novels, going in hand to hand with a Greater Daemon.

I also read Faith & Fire, because I was building a Witch Hunter army and actually I haven't finished it yet. Although I love the concept and the lore behind the Adepta Sororitas, the novel pretty much fell flat after a few chapters, so much that I've been reading it on and off for more than a year. I don't really recommend it.

I'll take note of the Horus Heresy, I had dismissed it because one of my friends jumped into the Warhammer with those novels and told me he was not satisfied by the series.