Native Bowmen:best counter?

[oz_wwjd]

How best do you counter these things? I've had the hardest time countering an army that had no fewer than 6 of them and 6 lancer units,while I was dealing with a full-stack of native mob units as well. Basically the reinforcement army deployed on my flank and pelted my units from extreme range,while any of my line infantry that attempted to get in range came under fire,then came under a charge from the lancer and routed. I had some success with artillery using canister to blow holes through them,but again,they outrange my 12-pounder foot artillery units,or seem to by quite a bit..

I was using Colonial Line inf and Hessians at the time,with a few calvary and no fewer ann 4 artillery cannons..

[peacemaker]

The simplest way to deal with any light infantry/skirmishers is cavalry. Just keep them away from normal infantry or they'll get slaughtered.

[FactionHeir]

Cavalry isn't too advisable against native bowmen unless you feel like losing your horses quickly. Those bowmen's attack is really terrifying actually and the way I go about killing them is to go on the offensive with my line, advancing my infantry against them. Luckily, they got fairly low morale so a few massed volleys and they'll rout rather quickly unless backed up by a general. Then you should just get those bayonets out and charge them.

Outside of that, the best counter is to use native bowmen yourself to get them to shoot your bowmen and then envelop using cavalry or infantry. Just don't let your cavalry attack them whilst they are not engaged.

[Hermann the Lombard]

Nasty combo with bowmen+lancers and both in quantity. Obviously the bowmen don't outrange your 12-lbrs (100 vs 400), perhaps you mean outranging canister (I don't know that range).

I also rush bowmen with line infantry but that shootout isn't a cakewalk at all, and getting countercharged by lancers isn't easy either. I guess right now exploit the bug that allows infantry to form square while in melee, that will mess up the lancers who will also be taking friendly fire from the bowmen.

[FactionHeir]

Any type of square with or without bayonets will kill any cavalry. Just form the square when you notice the enemy cavalry charging you (i.e. notice which unit in particular they are going after.)

[Husar]

IIRC with the french I overran most natve armies with cuirassiers, four units of those can be quite effective.

[Slaists]

IIRC with the french I overran most natve armies with cuirassiers, four units of those can be quite effective.

the problem is... in the early game, you do not have cuirassiers... and that's exactly when the bowmen are a problem.

Bowmen are nasty in vanilla 1.3; they are even nastier in the Imperial Splendor (IS) mod. There they have range of 150 and can snipe your unsuspecting line while still being hidden from the view. Luckily, in IS, canister range is 250. So, I'd advance a scouting cavalry unit to disclose the location of the bowmen and then canister them into routing. The native axemen auxiliaries seem to be quite efficient fighting the bowmen too.

[A1_Unit]

The best counter for bowmen? I used cannons, riflemen, or Heavy cavalry.

[crazyviking03]

I think hte best way to counter Bowmen is to use The Rights of Man mod. It raises line infantry range to 90, and light infantry to 115, and brings your inf to a bit more lvl field with the range of the bowmen. They will still be outranged by a little bit, but not much. this mod has made fights with the native americans feel the most 'right' out of anything ihave used so far

[A1_Unit]

The "A Proper Empire: Terra Incognita" mod rasies line infantry range to 100 and light infantry also to 115.

[Hermann the Lombard]

Come on, guys. I don't think the question was which *mod* is the best counter to bowmen!

[Fiddling_nero]

Best way to counter the American Natives is to adopt their tactics. Keep sections of your own forces hidden while you send out a bait unit and draw them into an ambush.

Line Inf. can only hide in the woods, but militia can hide in the grass too.

Then one gets into the Light Infantry class then you have your best ambush units available with your rangers/light inf. or natives of your own.

Best way to not reveal yourself prematurely is to turn off fire at will then wait for the right moment to strike.

[oz_wwjd]

The problem was that my full attention was devoted to my main line,as the sheer number of native mob units they had was threeatening to break through my line. I only actually saw them,when I noticed the excessive number of lancers on my flank,which where for once,not doing suicidal charges into my sqaure formation line infantry.

And when I reffered to them outranging 12-pounder artillery,yes I did mean that they outranged the Canister Shot ability, I did attempt to neutralize them with outflanking moves by my line infantry,but such moves triggered a mass lander assault on my outflanking units. My break finally came when the cheif charged my artillery and was received by a double canister barrage,killing him. Also I was able to bring my victorious units once the mobs units had been defeated to assist my hard-pressed flank.

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[antisocialmunky]

Why has no one said War Elephants yet?

[Vlad Tzepes]

Horses, horses, horses!

Any kind of cavalry will do. I once routed 7 or 8 native bowmen units using 3 native cavalry units and one flintlock citizen militia (on H/H). I used the militia do distract attention and the cavalry for charges in the back and flanks. Even with the low charge bonus of native cavalry, it was enough to start routs. If it weren't for the AI bodyguard, I would have won the fight.

What you don't want to do is stand still in a shootout with bowmen.

[ollicompolli]

If you got decent bayonets, charge them with your line infantry, supported with cavalry on your flanks.

[Didz]

Just chase them down with cavalry.

[A1_Unit]

Just chase them down with cavalry.

Always does it for me.

[antisocialmunky]

Always does it for me.

Elephants are better.

[Hermann the Lombard]

Rather a later period than ETW or NTW: The King of Siam offered elephants to help the Union in the Civil War. Lincoln politely declined, saying that he did not think they would thrive in America.

[A1_Unit]

Haha! Union soldiers on elephants!

[Hermann the Lombard]

Haha! Union soldiers on elephants!

...with cannon!

No, wait, wrong game...

[antisocialmunky]

Elephant with mounted Gattling Gun, Cannons have too low ROF :).

Always wondered why they didn't put that thing on a hot air balloon or something.