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    Greetings fellow EB players!

    The mod progressed a bit. We got help from some talented guys, even EB team members, and work has began on this mod. We are still a small team, and we will glady use any assistance that can be found. We need experts on all sides, and the only thing we require is that if someone does volounters to help, he is serious about it.

    If you wold like to assist on the mod, PM me or gamegeek2. Even if all you can do is research, and have no modding knowledge, we will gladly hear with what you came up.

    I will update this post frequently, everytime something important happens.

    The date we decided on is 80 BC

    Why?

    Some of the main reasons :

    -Rome is the major Mediterranean superpower, but the Empire is far from complete
    -Ongoing conflict between Rome, Pontus, and Armenia
    -Famous historical characters such as Pompey, Caesar, Sulla, Cicero, Crassus, Lucullus and more for Rome; excellent roleplaying opportunities
    -Mithradates VI for Pontus and Tigranes the Great for Armenia
    -Vercingetorix for the Arverni (though only 2 years old)
    -Nabatu are in their golden age; Hasmoneans are alive and kicking
    -Parthia is a major power
    -Axum is getting started (if included)
    -Indo-Saka, the Kingdom of Maues are getting started
    -Burebista is the King of the Dacians
    -Major war-zone in Spain with native tribes, Romans, and the Roman rebel Sertorius



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    The factions:

    This is a list of the possible factions. We have decided on which will be used, but we won't tell you yet The ones in bold are definetly in.

    SPQR
    Parthia
    Armenia
    Pontus
    Sweboz
    Lugiones
    Arverni
    Haedui
    Belgae
    Suessiones
    Boii
    Getae
    Mauretania
    Numidia
    State of Sertorius
    Nabatea
    Hasmoneans
    Hymarites
    Saba
    Iceni
    Catuvelani
    Cantabri
    Sarmatians
    Scythians
    Yuezhi
    Indo - Saka
    Indo - Greeks
    Astures
    Axum
    Meroe

    Also it is fair to say, that we will probably use the BI.exe platform for the mod. We have some ideas how to use the religion mechanics and such...

    Check out our first previews in the following pages! We previewed the Sertoriani, Ptolemaic Egypt, Numidia, Pontus, the Hasmoneans and the Nabatu!
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    WIP - My humlbe suggestion - mod in Augustus's time

    Start date 27 BC - 16. January, Octavian get's the title Imperator Caesar divi filius Augustus

    Why? Rome finaly got a picture of itself, and all the civil wars ended. There would not be a civil war for 200 years ( of course except the year of 4 emperors), so the picture is pretty clear cut.
    At this point Rome was near it's maximum expanison. It had 28 standing legions, and a decent economy, however Rome didn't have the strenght to conquer Germania. If anyone thinks Rome was too powerful at this time, think again. When Teutoburg forest happened, Rome didn't have the strength to raise new legions, and instead retreated to the Rhine.

    It would give the player a similar chalenge that in EB the Arche Seleucia; but on an even larger front, with armies ranging from the tribesmen of the northen forests, especially the powerfull germanics alliances, the nomads of the north - east, the mighty Parthians in the East, with a Jewish state still alive and kicking. Also, the Nabatean Kingdom would come to life, and perhaps the Ethiopian armies of Meroe preparing to invade Egypt, while Mauretiania would wait in west africa to start a new African Empire. Also, there is still life in the last Iberian tribes, who held more then 150 years the Romans at bay, and are willing to do so for as long as it takes. The Dacians have shown as well they can be a mighty foe under a strong king, like Burebista a has shown a while ago.
    A year ago the Romans started an expedition to Arabia Felix, but got defeated by the Saba with ease, who would remain in control of that side of the Red See. Surely Rome would try to conquer it again.
    The Romans may also fantisize to attack the mystical Island of Britain, to which Gaius Julius Caesar went 25 years ago.

    Starting possition for Rome and other factions on the EB map;
    THE MAP
    Remember, this is WIP, i will add new factions when i can...
    Note - Dark red - dunno if it's already under Rome control or not, will research it, for others, it's just a representation where the factions would start:
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    (WIP of course)
    There are 20 factions IIRC for being in. This are the faction's i would say would definetly be in such a mod, and i've kinda added them where they should be on the map. This factions are :

    Roman Empire Difficulty: Medium
    Augustus has just gotten the his title; the empire is ready for new challenges, but one wrong step, and the turmoils may begin again, the though of a republic is still very much alive with the senators, so you must make wise decision with your goverment and foreign policy. Be careful about how you treat the provinces. The massive expansion of the late empire has brought many new lands to Roma, but most of them are not happy with the situation.
    The Romans would have a very versatile army, drawing auxilias from many provinces, perhaps a bit weak on cavalry, but the best regular infantry in the game.

    Parthian Empire Difficulty: Medium
    After a lot of civil strife, the Parthians again stabilized their situation somewhat. Phraates IV will definetly try to expand the borders of his country, and try to imitate his great predecessors. It will be key to try and centralize your power, and once Parthia is strong inside, the outside can only fear them and watch their horsemen taking over land after land.
    The Parthians would have the best cavalry in the game, all the units which took a long time in EB I to unlock, would be there from the start. May your cataphracts bring death to the Romans and all other lesser people!

    Kingdom of Armenia Difficulty: Very Hard
    Perhaps not as strong as 40 years ago, Armenia still remains an independent power between the two superstates. This is in fact in interest of both, since a border so long would inevitably lead to full-scale war. The kings of Armenia are influenced by foreign powers, like they used to be in the old days, but even then Tigranes II became King of Kings, and many people bowed to him. Why shouldn't this happen again? There are many small kingdoms around Armenia, which also dwell betwenn Rome and Parthia, and conquering them should be difficult for a great king. But carefull diplomacy is needed, ally with one power and attack the other; fight both on your own peril.
    The Armenians would have a wide range of units, most simmilar as in EB, able to fight on every ocasion, however much depends on the general leading his men

    Dacians Difficulty: Hard
    Not long ago, the Dacians and the Getae made their first alliance, and were a major power under the king Burebista. Many tribes fell under his power, including the once powerfull Boii. They have proven, like Decebalus will 100 years from now, that a strong king under this great warriors, can accomplish much, and conquer many lands.
    The units will be most the same as in EB, a great mix of ambushers, falxmen and elite warriors!

    Marcomanni Difficutly: Hard
    An obscure germanic tribe, that would be a major power for the next 300 years; the Romans were always careful with dealing with this people, the king Marobodus being greatly feared by Augustus. When the Romans finally waged full-scaled war with them, it almost costed them dearly. Marcus Aurelius defeated them after a full-scaled war, and yet the Marcomani persisted.
    The Marcomani were not unlike other germanic tribes, relying mostly on infantry, but they had a strong cavalry arm as well. The fact that they fared so well against Rome, shows us that a strong king could perhaps even bring the Empire to it's knees!

    Cantabri and Astures Difficulty: Nigh impossible
    One of the last Iberian tribes, now joined together to fight of Rome. Only one thing need to be said for you to know of their power. It took Rome 8! legions, + auxiliaries to defeat them, the number of men surpassing 80.000! That's more then it took to bring down Macedonia and the Seleucid Empire combined! The war was so important, that it was lead on the Roman side by Agrippa and Augustus himself! The Romans feared the Cantabri, knowing they preformed well with Hannibal, and knowing they had the strenght to break the siege of Numantia 100 years ago. They prefered to fight a guerilla war, like most Iberians tribes, and the knowledge of their homelands gave they great advantage. They could also raise large armies if needed, based on the population estimate perhaps even 100.000 men! They were old proud tribes and a success against Rome on their part, could raise the defeated people of Iberia once more in a rebellion, and crush the Roman hold on the peninsula.
    Their army would differ much from that of the Lusotana in EB, + they would have awesome regionals at their disposal, like the Asturian axemen, and Cantabrian cavalry.

    Kingdom of Thrace
    Judean Kingdom - under Herod the Great
    Sarmatians
    Kingdom of Nabatea
    Kingdom of Saba
    Cappadocia
    Skordisci
    Cherusci
    Indo-Saka
    Yuezhi

    Important figures/Faction Leaders :
    Rome:
    Augustus Caesar - no introduction needed, 35 years old
    Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa - Octavians most trusted friend, great general of Rome, 36 at the time
    Tiberius - future emperor, one of the greatest imperial generals, would be 15 at the time
    Nero Claudius Drusus Germanicus - brother of Tiberius, another great general, 11 years old at the time
    Publius Quinctilius Varus - only one reason for his inclusion :)

    Parthia:
    Phraates IV - King of Parthia
    Phraates V - Prince of Parthia

    Marcomanni:
    Maroboduus - a child at the time, but the succesor to the throne. It is said that he could field an army over 70.000 men during the reing of Augustus, for which he was feared.

    Kingdom of Judea:
    Herod the Great - King of Judea - around 35 years old, friend of Rome
    rest to follow...

    Cappadocia:
    Archelaus IV - King of Cappadocia ruled for more then 50 years, appointed by Antony, but stood with Octavian in the later part of the civil war

    Mauretania:
    Juba II - became king in 25 BC, Son of Juba I, who supported Pompey as the King of Numidia against Ceasar. Decisivly defaeted at Thapsus. He and the Romans lead many campaings against the tribes in Afrcia, forging a very powerfull state, closely allied to Rome.
    Other possible factions:

    Kingdom of Kartli? Not much of a power, but independant and with great potential. The king Pharasmanes II was a cause for concern for Rome, even at the height of it's power. Even before that the Kings were pretty strong, managing even at capturing Artaxarta in in the year 35 AD

    Germanic tribes - , Suebi, ,Quadi... (don't remember more of them atm)

    Britanic tribes -, Icenii.... (don't remember more atm) :D

    Iberians - , Astures

    on the balkans - Jaziges, Delmats,

    Africa - Meroe?

    Asia - Osroene, Adabiene...

    Others- Rhaetians, Pannonians, Kingdom of Noricum

    For some factions - Roman Empire, Parthia, Armenia, Dacia, Sarmatia, Catuvellani, Astures and Cantabri, Mauretania, Capadoccia, Thrace, Indo-Saka... We could use many units if not all from EB; the other faction also have their most important units made in EB, so it would be just a case of filling out their roster

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    Suggestion by Fluvius Camillus
    Start Date: 171BC

    101 years after the EB start.
    The map: Very WIP; some mistakes have been spoted, i'll wait for Fluvius to update the map and give the new one
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    Important men:
    Perseus I of Macedonia (41 years old)
    Antiochos IV Epiphanes (44 years old)
    Ptolemaios VI Philometor (no regency yet, 15 years young, darn it).
    Mithridates I of Parthia (approx 24 years old)
    Marcus Porcius Cato Maior (63 years old)

    Important upcoming historical events:
    3rd Macedonian war
    6th Syrian war
    Parthia vs Baktria and a lot more expansion by Parthia

    Suggested factions:
    SenatusPopulesqueRomanus
    Qarthadastim
    Arche Seleukeia (under Antiochos IV Epiphanes)
    Ptolemaioi (under Ptolemaios VI Philometor)
    Antigonid Makedonia (under Perseus I of Macedon)
    Arsacid Empire (under Mithridates I of Parthia)
    Pontos (under Pharnaces I)
    Pergamene Kingdom (under Eumenes II)
    Baktria (under Eucratides I)

    Roman Rebels (some time later, the first Slave revolt comes).

    Here we can use a lot of units from EB I.


    This 2 ideas were dropped ... look at the post above
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    What about the culture slots? IIRC both the "eastern greek" and "western greek" culture is not used by any factions during this era (except for the Bosporan Kingdom and/or other client kingdoms ).

    Maybe this can be used for something.
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    Yeah, come to think about it, August had a few wars with Meroe(which could use a new slot), so it would be nice as well. Any suggestion are welcomed
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    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88 View Post
    Yeah, come to think about it, August had a few wars with Meroe(which could use a new slot), so it would be nice as well. Any suggestion are welcomed
    Hmm if they are to be included as a faction then new portraits have to made as well.

    Oh and the Judean Kingdom as well as the roman rebels are of the "emerging" faction and "rebel" faction type,I presume, if so than doesn't this mean that this mod would be BI- only? As the RTW exe doesn't have the "emerging" faction nor "rebel" factions.

    note: I will probably not be able to help much with this mod, since my knowledge on both this period in history as well as modding is rather limited I'm afraid.

    Oh and a lot of units can be reused from EB IIRC, limiting the work that has to be done somewhat.
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    Well, let's put that timeframe a bit earlier... at the middle roman republic, and diadochi are still strong.... as well as Germanic tribes allready ravages the north, and Nomadic incursions has grown harsher!!!!

    Should we made.... *cough* year jump mod for EB
    *. and prepared to random... "late game" situation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88 View Post
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    Suggestion by Fluvius Camillus
    Start Date: 171BC

    101 years after the EB start.
    The map: Very WIP; some mistakes have been spoted, i'll wait for Fluvius to update the map and give the new one
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

    Important men:
    Perseus I of Macedonia (41 years old)
    Antiochos IV Epiphanes (44 years old)
    Ptolemaios VI Philometor (no regency yet, 15 years young, darn it).
    Mithridates I of Parthia (approx 24 years old)
    Marcus Porcius Cato Maior (63 years old)

    Important upcoming historical events:
    3rd Macedonian war
    6th Syrian war
    Parthia vs Baktria and a lot more expansion by Parthia

    Suggested factions:
    SenatusPopulesqueRomanus
    Qarthadastim
    Arche Seleukeia (under Antiochos IV Epiphanes)
    Ptolemaioi (under Ptolemaios VI Philometor)
    Antigonid Makedonia (under Perseus I of Macedon)
    Arsacid Empire (under Mithridates I of Parthia)
    Pontos (under Pharnaces I)
    Pergamene Kingdom (under Eumenes II)
    Baktria (under Eucratides I)

    Roman Rebels (some time later, the first Slave revolt comes).

    Here we can use a lot of units from EB I.


    This 2 ideas were dropped ... look at the post above
    New factions, units from EBNOM and many other changes. Welcome https://cloud.mail.ru/public/FFiA/dGbQmrKpJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88 View Post
    ...

    SPQR
    Parthia
    Armenia
    Pontus
    Sweboz
    Lugiones
    Arverni
    Haedui
    Belgae
    Suessiones
    Boii
    Getae
    Mauretania
    Numidia
    Sertorian Roman rebels
    Nabatea
    Hasmoneans
    Hymarites
    Saba
    Iceni
    Catuvelani
    Cantabri
    Sarmatians
    Scythians
    Yuezhi
    Indo - Saka
    Indo - Greeks
    Astures
    Axum
    Meroe...
    this is so confusing...

    aren't BI only have 20 slots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plutoboyz View Post
    this is so confusing...

    aren't BI only have 20 slots?
    I doubt that they are waiting for EB2 :*)



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    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post


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    You misspelled Pontos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    You misspelled Pontos.
    pwned!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jirisys View Post


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    Quote Originally Posted by vartan View Post
    You misspelled Pontos.
    Quote Originally Posted by plutoboyz View Post
    pwned!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by anubis88 View Post
    Βασίλειον του Πόντου - The kingdom of Pontus


    The great Kingdom of Pontus...
    Choose a letter or gt*o

    Be less ambiguous and decide the ******* name

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    If you can read Greek, you'll see that it says the Kingdom of Pontos.

    P.S. I don't think I need to say which people would call the Kingdom Pontus.
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    Pontou, or Pontoi as people now would say

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    I'm making this one too easy for you guys. But I can't help it...this faction is going to be awesome.



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    Default Re: Europa Barbarorum : Novus Ordo Mundi

    The shield makes quite clear is Judea, if I'm not much mistaken XD

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    Iadioi Taxeis...
    Lonchoporoi Hippeis...

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    Default Re: Europa Barbarorum : Novus Ordo Mundi

    Either is acceptable, "Pontus" is the Roman spelling while "Pontos" is the Greek. Although the Greek spelling would make more sense, as it was the main language spoken in the kingdom.


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    The work goes perfectly... And...Jeah...Please stop the music quarrels...
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    Default Re: Europa Barbarorum : Novus Ordo Mundi

    Quote Originally Posted by bobbin View Post
    Either is acceptable, "Pontus" is the Roman spelling while "Pontos" is the Greek. Although the Greek spelling would make more sense, as it was the main language spoken in the kingdom.
    Indeed... It should be Pontos... I was just confused by the fact that what jirisys wrote was the genetive form -tou Pontou... and "ou" is read as "u" in ancient greek... My bad
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