Far-right Surge Shocks France

[Sarmatian]

Sanctions, sanctions...

Obviously we can not allow ultra-nationalist leaders in the heart of Europe, therefore I call for sanctions, air strikes and eventually direct occupation if all else fails.

On a serious, note, far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who inherited FN from her father, leads in the polls, 23 point to Sarko's 21. Presidential elections are supposed to take place next year. link

How serious is this? Is she gonna win? What would the consequences of that win be?

Gentlemen...

[Louis VI the Fat]

Shock? What shock? Ever read the posts of Meneldil lately, or, sadly, mine? It's sheer fascism galore.

As for Marine, she'll make it into the second round. There she will be defeated by a grand alliance, who'll vote with their noses held. It'll be 2002 all over again.


And you can keep your airstrikes until France descends into full fascism and starts etnically cleansing it gypsie population....

[gaelic cowboy]

This time may be differ though Louis surely unlike 2002 people wont get caught out wasting there voting thinking they can go back to there preferred socialist/conservative candidate in the second round.

At worst she soak few votes of Sarkozy but typical of any election she is making the running early always a bad sign for electability.

[Brenus]

Right. First look at how the survey was done, then comment.

It is THE plan to push the French to vote “useful” so to vote for either Sarkozy or the IMF director the social traitor Dominique Strauss Khan.

I will not fall in the trap this time.

If, thanks to the social and economical politic followed by both of them, le Front National will succeed, it will be.
Unless the so-called Socialist Party comes back to the roots of socialism, I will not vote for the Party whose policies and actions are at best to accommodate the Conserva-thieve programme.
I will either abstain or vote Left (JL Melenchon, for the French).

Then, even if elected as president, the FN won’t be able to get a majority in the Parliament, so it would be fun.

[gaelic cowboy]

Well thats your right Brenus but ask yourself if it is good longterm for French elcetions to be having an election every couple of years where 20%-30% of your vote are from people who only voted for you cos the other fella was worse but they still hate your guy too. Eventually the people stop voting and they maybe marine whats her face does get through due to cynicism.

[Sarmatian]

Shock? What shock? Ever read the posts of Meneldil lately, or, sadly, mine? It's sheer fascism galore.

As for Marine, she'll make it into the second round. There she will be defeated by a grand alliance, who'll vote with their noses held. It'll be 2002 all over again.

So, she either wins in the first round or she doesn't win at all, huh? I don't know, look at the "commie" Brenus, he won't vote for Sarkozy even if it means Marine for president. I don't think this is so benign as you portray it.

And you can keep your airstrikes until France descends into full fascism and starts etnically cleansing it gypsie population....

You sure? They're going cheap these days...

Well thats your right Brenus but ask yourself if it is good longterm for French elcetions to be having an election every couple of years where 20%-30% of your vote are from people who only voted for you cos the other fella was worse

Why not, it works for Serbia... oh, I see your point...

[drone]

Well thats your right Brenus but ask yourself if it is good longterm for French elcetions to be having an election every couple of years where 20%-30% of your vote are from people who only voted for you cos the other fella was worse but they still hate your guy too. Eventually the people stop voting and they maybe marine whats her face does get through due to cynicism.

I would like to be the first to say, Welcome to America!

[gaelic cowboy]

I would like to be the first to say, Welcome to America!

It's much simpler in Ireland we just have two centre right parties problem solved.

[Rhyfelwyr]

It's much simpler in Ireland we just have two centre right parties problem solved.

Who doesn't these days?

[gaelic cowboy]

Who doesn't these days?

[Furunculus]

On a serious, note, far-right leader Marine Le Pen, who inherited FN from her father, leads in the polls, 23 point to Sarko's 21. Presidential elections are supposed to take place next year. link

How serious is this? Is she gonna win? What would the consequences of that win be?

Gentlemen...

and not just Sarko's crowd, marine also out-polled the socialist crew.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-election.html

[Strike For The South]

A few antagonizing brown people move in and the so called vanguard of the enlightinment goes reactionary so quick I nearly mistook them for Poles

I am dissapoint

[Louis VI the Fat]

A few antagonizing brown people move in and the so called vanguard of the enlightinment goes reactionary so quick I nearly mistook them for Poles

I am dissapoint

What if the enemies of the enlightenement simply happen to be brown? Must Reason and Republican values be abolished simply because their enemies are brown?

It is THE plan to push the French to vote “useful” so to vote for either Sarkozy or the IMF director the social traitor Dominique Strauss Khan.

I will not fall in the trap this time.

Antisemite.

[Strike For The South]

What if the enemies of the enlightenement simply happen to be brown? Must Reason and Republican values be abolished simply because their enemies are brown?

The unknown and misunderstood is always feared. In 100 years when little muhammed has married your daughter and they go around firebombing churches and mosques you will be at peace

Tis a rough patch in your history, no reason to go off the deep end

[Brenus]

Ok. The polls were done on line, without knowing who was answering the question. So, it is impossible to know the background of the “representative” panel.

Now, I think it is a deliberate manoeuvre from one of the Big Party (I suspect the Sarkozist one, but it is because I hope the “Socialist” Party kept some moral values from the past, that it didn’t abandon all of them on the road to Social-Democracy and “realism”).

They play back the music on which we are supposed to dance and I fear it will work. So instead to have the conserva-thieves we will have the Social Traitors lead by the actual director of the IMF, the same one who implements a program that makes Maggie looks like a soft lefty smoking herbs.

Abstention is the main problem because the betrayal of the result of the people votes. And the 2 main streams of the French political life are guilty of it.
So, whatever we vote we have the same policy.

I will not vote for the Sarkozy or the Conserva-thieves, but nor I will for the Social Democrats that are not social and democrat.

I will not be trap again in voting against a Le Pen, because this Le Pen is the creature built by these parties as the result of the increase of poverty, despair and uncertainty of the economical policy shared by the 2 parties.
They created Marine (and in fact her real name is Marie then few other names) they will deal with her.

I can’t see what worse she can do than the two others. The French laws will prohibit her to implement her programme and if she tries to modify the laws it will be rejected by the Constitution.

Don’t they see or smell the anger raising? Are they so blind they don’t see the turmoil coming?
Thanks to their stupidity they made the old slogan from the ultra left in 1968 “Election piege a Cons” (Election, trap for #£$£”%) a reality.
We voted, and they said it didn’t matter… We were, I was #£$£%ed.

They denied the corner stone, the base of Democracy that is the expression of the people by casting a vote. They are as much in contact with the reality than Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette were when dancing in the Tuilleries.

[Brenus]

“Antisemite” Because I refuse to vote Sarkozy?
And I did vote Fabius.

[drone]

Isn't the burka ban about to take effect? That should solve all these problems.

[Furunculus]

I will not be trap again in voting against a Le Pen, because this Le Pen is the creature built by these parties as the result of the increase of poverty, despair and uncertainty of the economical policy shared by the 2 parties.
They created Marine they will deal with her.

^ word ^

if your mainstream parties fail to represent the electorate in a plurality system then watch and weep as the political extremes eat you lunch.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Is Marie le Pen even that extreme anyway? The first thing I noticed on the article is that she has disavowed her father's anti-semitism. As I always said, as these sorts of parties get bigger they will become more mainstream and lose the nastier elements. They are a good option when faced with the typical corrupt centre-right parties.

[Shibumi]

There is a far-right surge all over Europe, it is not limited to France.

And it will grow, and grow, and...

People are just being fed up with the multiculturalism, it has been tried and failed. Time to accept it and work out a reasonable solution. And no, far-right politics is absolutely not a reasonable solution, however, it is good that opposing voices are raised. Otherwise the debate never would get started.

Immigration has been a problem for years, but it is only now when the economy is down that people really start to object. The PC-phrase "we need more people to fill the jobs" worked when people had jobs. Now we have loads and loads of people wondering why the jobs and money gets thrown at Muhammed and KuntaKinte, while they get none. Similarly noticing how society at large grows colder and less pleasant for every immigrant crossing the border.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Immigration has been a problem for years, but it is only now when the economy is down that people really start to object. The PC-phrase "we need more people to fill the jobs" worked when people had jobs. Now we have loads and loads of people wondering why the jobs and money gets thrown at Muhammed and KuntaKinte, while they get none. Similarly noticing how society at large grows colder and less pleasant for every immigrant crossing the border.

This is the reality, and the left has to admit that it has failed the its own working-class communities, shame on Labour for becoming New Labour, New Conservatives would be a more appropriate name for them.

The fact is that immigration is very bad for our own working-classes. It might benefit business owners when they can use immigrants to dodge the minumum wage, and then middle-class liberal lefties get all offended when people point out that these people are taking jobs off the native population. And then they go and celebrate Ramadan to prove how 'tolerant' they are so they can feel all warm and fuzzy for sticking up for the poor immigrants.

But who are the ones that are really downtrodden? It is not the immigrants, but the people that can't get jobs because of them.

I have nothing against Muslims/Poles/whoever, it is not their fault since all they want to do is build a better life, fair play to them. The problem is the leftist and centre-right parties that do not respect the needs of their own population.

If the more self-proclaimed "englightened" folk get offended at such "reactionary" rantings, I suggest they go for a tour in Bradforstan. Have fun!

[gaelic cowboy]

I recently attended a wedding in Gloucester and was reliably informed the place was basically 70-80% muslim, it shocked me to be honest. Gloucester is like Tipperary to my mind, basically farming county with two biggish cities in it, practically rural conservative 30-35yrs ago I'd say so something like that only happens when it's let.

I have no idea what this can mean or if it really means anything but I got no doubt these EDL types make great Gloucester hay with it.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I can't find it now, but a guy over at TWC had a study that showed how the Muslims in Ireland were getting pretty radical. It was like I've always said, the first lot were fine, but its the younger generations that are born there that go all Wahhabi and global-jihad in the head. Over half of IIRC the under 26's wanted an Islamic state in Ireland.

SFTS is far too complacent, he makes out like there will be an inevitable path towards gradual assimilation, but that's not what's happening, in fact its the opposite, the young'uns are the crazies.

[gaelic cowboy]

I can't find it now, but a guy over at TWC had a study that showed how the Muslims in Ireland were getting pretty radical. It was like I've always said, the first lot were fine, but its the younger generations that are born there that go all Wahhabi and global-jihad in the head. Over half of IIRC the under 26's wanted an Islamic state in Ireland.

SFTS is far too complacent, he makes out like there will be an inevitable path towards gradual assimilation, but that's not what's happening, in fact its the opposite, the young'uns are the crazies.

Yea thats true apparently at least in a broad sense, luckily there small in number and probably likely to re-emigrate to Birmingham anyway. The extremists problem is that he does not have the big ghetto to breed islamo-extremism, they are exclusively for the whites I'm afraid. There has been actual isolated inter-islamic violence on occasion as the newer breed meet the older members of the community who tend to work in the medical profession etc etc there fully middle class and have no intention of setting up Lahore on the Liffey.

But the Gardai are fully aware of it and they must feel it is manageable as the major stuff would have to be organised at the mosques and we only have a few really, after that your trying to police thoughts etc and we will never need to be that safe we have to watch them in there homes.

[Strike For The South]

SFTS is far too complacent, he makes out like there will be an inevitable path towards gradual assimilation, but that's not what's happening, in fact its the opposite, the young'uns are the crazies.

As an American I am all to fimilar with this sort of thing

HO HUM

[Brenus]

“Isn't the burka ban about to take effect? That should solve all these problems”: Aaaah, that is what Sarkozy and Co wanted the good people to believe and well, it worked very well. Now, the battered, despaired, poor exploited and unemployed French got a good scapegoat.
By a policy aimed to favour the Rich and to weaken even more the Poor and pointing to one part of the population, the 2 main parties have created a perfect storm trooper. Le PenTm is in better position to fill the position as people prefer original to the copy.

The problem is not emigration as such but the result of policies followed from years and years.
Not that there is no problem with some stupid youth “from the emigration” as portrayed by the French Media…

In order to give more money to the rich, they had to cut in Education (less teachers, no more surveyors), police forces (no more police of proximity), Armed Forces (no more National Service and Conscription). These three bodies were parts of the building of a citizenship. Wrecked by greed but as it was not enough they sold to relative, families and friends all the once efficient National Enterprises as EDF, SNCF, water supplies etc. This of course had as result to low down the services and to increase the prices. Last winter the National railways discovered trains stopped by dead leaves (same in UK by the way), problem never experimented before, but hey, they cut the maintenance staff to increase the profit.
By greed, they delocalised industries and large part of the French workers and employees were put on temporary contracts, in order to improve “competition” and “flexibility”.
The Social Contract guaranteed by the State (reason why we do have a State) was all forgotten for an Economical Model putting self-interest at its heart.
Because both main parties bowed to this system so created this situation (poverty and scapegoat), the French had no others options than to turn to what is left.

I don’t believe in this kind of survey. They are just tools to manipulate the public, to tell us what we think.
Le Pen will not be elected. France resisted Fascism before and it took an invader to impose one on the French.
The left still have one year to come back to their senses and to become an opposition and an alternative. If they do, they will crush Sarkozy and the conserva-thieve. If not, well, abstention will come and perhaps Marie Le Pen will become for few days President of the Republic and then will have to deal with an hostile parliament during 5 long years…

[Shibumi]

As an American I am all to fimilar with this sort of thing

HO HUM

The USA is different to Europe.

You had no strong cultural memes to begin with, or rather, the ones you had you wiped out or put in reservations. With original memes wipes out, it was far easier to make some sort of multicultural free for all. With that said, it is not like the US has been without it's own multicultural problems.

The US of A is not an example of working multiculturalism. It rather shows that for multiculturalism to work you need to wipe out the original memes, if anything.

Jugoslavia, Africa, Israel are better examples of the effect of multiculturalism. Or from my own country, Rosengård or Södertälje.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I'm encouraged by France's return to the hereditary principle for rulers (or aspiring ones). With the USA long since embracing hereditary dynasties, that's both the uppity "founding" republics back in the fold.

It's not quite Salic Law, but we can wait.

[rory_20_uk]

The USA is different to Europe.

You had no strong cultural memes to begin with, or rather, the ones you had you wiped out or put in reservations. With original memes wipes out, it was far easier to make some sort of multicultural free for all. With that said, it is not like the US has been without it's own multicultural problems.

The US of A is not an example of working multiculturalism. It rather shows that for multiculturalism to work you need to wipe out the original memes, if anything.

Jugoslavia, Africa, Israel are better examples of the effect of multiculturalism. Or from my own country, Rosengård or Södertälje.

I disagree. America was incredibly firm in forcing all newcomers to become American - one language, one country. Pleurality of religion was sort of allowed, but make no mistake it was a Christian country. Here we fall over ourselves to say that every other way of doing things is at least as good as ours if not better. Can't read an English leaflet? Oh, we'll translate it to whatever you speak, and get you a translator... Religion? Oh, they're all equally good of course. Better make sure no existing ones offend any newcomers. English flag? Oh, that's almost a racist symbol. National anthem? An embarassment. Swear allegance to the countrry or monarch? Praying east is almost the same, right?

[Strike For The South]

The USA is different to Europe.

You had no strong cultural memes to begin with, or rather, the ones you had you wiped out or put in reservations. With original memes wipes out, it was far easier to make some sort of multicultural free for all. With that said, it is not like the US has been without it's own multicultural problems.

The US of A is not an example of working multiculturalism. It rather shows that for multiculturalism to work you need to wipe out the original memes, if anything.

Jugoslavia, Africa, Israel are better examples of the effect of multiculturalism. Or from my own country, Rosengård or Södertälje.

lol, yes only cherry pick those which support your theory