Hello people.
On behalf of two of the most loved generals of EBO (me and Robin) *snickers* we present to you, our proposals, faction wise, on what needs, according to our honest opinions, to be done about the current rosters. We aim to provide suggestions to make as much Units useable as possible .
Arche Seleukia
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- Eastern Axemen be made cheaper
- Jewish spearmen be made cheaper, given more men.
- Hypaspistai, and Elite Peltast be made cheaper, they are extremely cost inefficent compared to better elites such as TAB, they are worthelss.
- Thureophoroi be given very_hardy and 1 extra point of morale
- Klerouchoi Phalangitai, made into a sort of "inbetween" type of unit between the Pandatapoi and Pezhetaroi, cost reduced to 1.6 1.7k , given more morale, should lose to Pezhetaroi and win comfortably vs Pandatopoi.
- Thraokitai be cheaper, mid 1.9k.
- Argyraspides and elite phalangites in general be given 120 men.
- Persian Archers still win against every archer in the game beside Bosporans, they be given -1 attack.
- Peltastai be given more morale, more men, be made cheaper.
- Arabian Light Infantry also need a cost reduction.
- Median Cavalry be given more charge..
- Hetaroi Aspidophoroi be made cheaper. They do not justify their cost.
- Iranian Light Cavalry be made cheaper.
- Galatian Heavy cavalry are ridiculously expensive, be made cheaper to around 3.3 , 3.4k region.
- Global price reduction on skirmisher cavalry.
- Shortsword still seems very underpowered, lethality should be upped to .17
- Cappadocian Hillmen cavalry bonus be removed.
- Hyrkanian Hillmen repriced to 1.1k 1.2k or 1.3k, 1.8k for such a light unit is just ridiculous.
- Parthian Spearmen be made cheaper.
- Probably the biggest proposal of all, Heavy Persian Archers be made into supermen, 1.4k price, 4 attack 100 men. Regular Persians should have 3 attack.
Archer Balance
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- Persian Archer < Cretans
- Persian Archer < Imperial Roman Archer
- Persian Archer < Syrian Archer
- Persian Archer < Bosporan Archer
- In all the above, the Persians successfully managed to waste the enemies ammo while being much much cheaper than their counterparts.
- Bosporan Archers = Imperial Archers
- Bosporan Archers > Kretan Archers
- The Kretans cost much more for most factions and are very crap in melee.
- All of the above mentioned armored archers do not manage to kill off their opponents completely.
Getic Skirmishers - Who to pick?
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:This is a slightly more complicated test. In this one, I pick 5 each of 4 different skirmishers,
- Komatai
- Komatai Elites
- Thraikian Peltast
- Komatai with 1 chevron
All the tests were carried out firing un-interrupted into the backs of 5 Roman Legionnaires.
Below are the results of what they managed to do, in the second screenshot, the last 5 Komatai are the ones with a chevron.
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As far as I can see, it is not really worth it to get more than five of any skirmisher, and with the current system, do not bother at all with 80 man skirmishers, Gund-i-Palta and Akontisai could achieve similiar results as the Komatai, but they do not have the same melee capabilities.
Above all, this makes a really big case for the Iberi Velites and Numidian Skirmishers, both when upgraded with a chevron are reasonably cheap, though you would have to sacrifice significantly in other components of the army.
Baktria
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:First of all, for those who wish to know the background for these changes, here is the chatlog.
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[21:43:38] << CHAT LOG BEGIN RECORD\
[21:43:41] << \lol
[21:43:42] << :D
[21:43:51] >> warning sign?
[21:43:57] << yea'
[21:44:21] << did you host?
[21:44:23] << i dont see
[21:44:24] >> yes
[21:44:34] << ggarrrhh
[21:44:36] << reconnecting now
[21:45:04] [Brave Sir Robin - 5.213.159.137] messaging in on
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[21:45:28] << idk what wrong
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[21:45:46] [Brave Sir Robin] left all your networks
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[21:46:10] << ............
[21:46:47] >> your not showing up in the lobby at all
[21:46:57] << see me now?
[21:46:57] >> can you see storm or vega?
[21:47:01] << i have warning signs
[21:47:04] << no
[21:47:06] << cant see anyone
[21:47:08] >> in the lobby? no
[21:47:22] << il try restarting my system
[21:47:28] >> its ok
[21:47:38] >> we don't need to be on the same loby
[21:47:40] << yea
[21:47:41] << ok
[21:47:43] >> we are just going over units lol
[21:47:45] << /CHAT RECORD
[21:47:48] << i like doing that
[21:47:58] >> baktria
[21:48:01] << now
[21:48:02] << z
[21:48:02] >> have it loaded up?
[21:48:07] << yea
[21:48:15] << lets elave the x amount of axe units :D
[21:48:24] >> yeah, we went over them
[21:48:30] << first of all
[21:48:33] << sreni
[21:48:33] >> and even ASM sees a need to change them lol
[21:48:35] << patt yodha
[21:48:46] << i like these guys
[21:48:47] << thoughts
[21:48:49] >> fine
[21:48:51] << i think they are fine
[21:48:51] << yea
[21:48:54] << indian spearmen
[21:48:56] << cheap
[21:48:57] << numerous
[21:48:58] << crap
[21:49:00] << awsome
[21:49:00] << :D
[21:49:02] << fine?
[21:49:05] >> fine
[21:49:12] << panda were done
[21:49:15] << peltast were done
[21:49:19] >> yes
[21:49:23] >> panda done
[21:49:29] << panda phalanx is fine already
[21:49:30] >> indo hellenic spears?
[21:49:32] << hmm
[21:49:35] << they use swords
[21:49:38] << shortword
[21:49:49] << id say they are a little tougher than thureos
[21:49:51] >> i think they are fine
[21:49:55] >> yeah slightly
[21:49:57] >> but no javs
[21:50:03] >> i don't like them but some do
[21:50:10] << bah these javs are pathetic
[21:50:23] >> not against my poor bataroas :(
[21:50:33] >> thats why i use teskastos now :)
[21:50:46] << lol
[21:50:56] << soo
[21:51:03] << i still think they are not that bad
[21:51:08] << hold really well
[21:51:12] << for such a tiny unit
[21:51:13] >> for their price they work
[21:51:16] << yea
[21:51:17] << as saka
[21:51:20] << they were awsome
[21:51:38] << now
[21:51:43] << baktrian royal guard
[21:51:57] << i do not know what these are
[21:52:02] << kmt used them once
[21:52:11] << they lost badly to my libyan elites
[21:52:20] << but are seemingly unbreakable
[21:52:22] >> they are similar to hypaspists
[21:52:24] << on the flank
[21:52:28] >> one higher attack
[21:52:31] >> one lower defense
[21:52:33] << idk
[21:52:39] << i think they are a nice ish unit
[21:52:44] << but they should be changed
[21:52:48] << like the hypasists
[21:52:51] >> slight lower of cost
[21:52:55] << if the hypasists do get changed
[21:52:57] << yea i agree
[21:53:01] << hmmm
[21:53:04] << skimming through
[21:53:08] << Indian longbows
[21:53:08] << wait
[21:53:09] << brb
[21:53:15] << you type your thought
[21:53:30] >> do indian longbows secondary still have ap?
[21:54:19] << let me check
[21:54:28] << and compare differences to june
[21:54:29] >> it looks like no
[21:54:35] << wait
[21:55:17] >> yeah not ap anymore
[21:55:18] << nope
[21:55:19] << no ap
[21:55:22] << +2 attack
[21:55:33] >> thats fine
[21:55:36] << lol
[21:55:40] << 2.6 lethality
[21:55:41] << :D
[21:55:45] >> yeah
[21:55:51] << id say they are fine
[21:55:52] >> they are expensive as shit for crap archers tho
[21:55:58] << though id do with more range though
[21:55:58] >> so thats fine
[21:56:00] << and more arrow
[21:56:12] >> nah, your not bring them to shoot stuff
[21:56:22] << we indians were known for our shootyness ;)
[21:56:24] >> they are more hybrid unit than archer
[21:56:33] << yea id agree
[21:56:48] << defence also got buffed
[21:57:03] << hmm
[21:57:04] << now
[21:57:07] << baktrian light infantry
[21:57:12] << i dont like these guys
[21:57:13] << first off
[21:57:17] << 1.4 is too expensive
[21:57:21] >> what about indo hellenci peltasts?
[21:57:23] << and most axe units have 8 attack
[21:57:26] << they have 8
[21:57:27] << oops
[21:57:30] << after these guys?
[21:57:38] >> ok
[21:57:54] << either give them 1 or 2 more attack or make them cheaper
[21:57:58] << thoughts?
[21:58:08] >> cheaper in line with other eastern axe unit changes
[21:58:14] >> they just happen to be skirms
[21:58:17] << yea
[21:58:19] << no
[21:58:24] << they dont have skirmish mode iirc
[21:58:26] << or do they?
[21:58:27] >> yes they do
[21:58:32] << ok then they are fine
[21:58:36] << but still too expensive
[21:58:39] << 1.2 or 1.3?
[21:58:43] >> yes
[21:58:54] >> we will see what the axe units get changed to
[21:59:02] >> 1.3 sounds goo
[21:59:03] >> d
[21:59:05] << yea
[21:59:09] << indo hellenic peltast
[21:59:22] >> good unit
[21:59:23] << buffed up hellenic peltast?
[21:59:24] >> i like them
[21:59:24] << yea
[21:59:25] << i like
[21:59:41] >> maybe slightly higher jav attack
[21:59:45] >> they lost a point idk why
[22:00:18] << lemme check
[22:00:39] << no
[22:00:40] >> if any changes are made to regular peltasts, these guys should also benefit
[22:00:50] >> no?
[22:00:51] << no changes
[22:00:52] << to june
[22:00:55] >> oh ok
[22:01:01] >> im getting confused then
[22:01:06] << ok next
[22:01:13] << katas?
[22:01:15] << ive tested
[22:01:16] >> we can skip bg
[22:01:17] << kataphracts
[22:01:24] << lose to iberians lanceari 1v1 :D
[22:01:29] >> ?
[22:01:32] << yea
[22:01:35] << im not shitting here
[22:01:43] << when both use secondary
[22:01:46] << iberians win
[22:02:03] >> hmm
[22:02:11] << i dont know what to do about that
[22:02:13] >> probably because their defense skill is low
[22:02:16] << it seems appropriate though
[22:02:19] >> i think its fine actually
[22:02:19] << armor piercer
[22:02:21] << beats a tank
[22:02:22] << :D
[22:02:25] >> yeah
[22:02:38] >> they still kill infantry better
[22:02:40] << now the next units are fine
[22:02:43] << yes
[22:02:46] >> i was wondering
[22:03:00] >> could indian elephants be made a tad cheaper?
[22:03:08] << they were bigger
[22:03:13] >> people usually only bring the small african ones
[22:03:14] << id say more men and remove the archers
[22:03:22] >> because you get more elephants per unit and they are cheaper
[22:03:39] << or we could make the archers 1 attack so they dont matter and are just cosmetic
[22:03:43] << now
[22:03:50] << Baktrian Hippotoxotai
[22:03:54] >> they already don't matter lol
[22:03:56] << these are so crap
[22:04:01] << i cant find a word for it
[22:04:18] >> for the price yes
[22:04:21] << yea
[22:04:34] >> can they get cantabrian circle at least?
[22:04:43] >> that would make them immensely more useful
[22:04:47] << lemme check if they have it
[22:04:52] >> they don't
[22:04:57] << no
[22:04:59] << they dont
[22:04:59] << yea
[22:05:04] << id say give it and make em cheaper
[22:05:10] >> yes
[22:05:25] << almost done
[22:05:37] << indo hellenic hoplite
[22:05:46] << elite
[22:05:52] >> i recommended to gg2 changing them to non-elites
[22:06:05] >> so there was a difference between them and baktrian and saka elites
[22:06:06] << i agree
[22:06:07] << yea
[22:06:15] << 2k heavy hoplite?
[22:06:25] >> yeah something like that
[22:06:35] >> with a longsword :)
[22:06:37] << lol
[22:06:44] << INDIAN LONGSWORD BABEH
[22:06:46] << now
[22:06:51] << Taxilan Agema
[22:06:54] << crap?
[22:07:00] >> i wish they were good
[22:07:08] >> have you seen their armor ratings?
[22:07:14] << let me
[22:07:15] << check
[22:07:15] >> through the roof
[22:07:36] << w
[22:07:37] << o
[22:07:37] << w
[22:07:37] >> they have defense skill of 27 which is same as remi iirc
[22:07:41] << no
[22:07:42] << w
[22:07:45] << i wish they wer e cheaper
[22:07:47] << id say
[22:07:49] << cheaper
[22:07:50] >> they should be
[22:07:50] << much cheaper
[22:07:53] << about 3k
[22:08:00] << and 1 more secondary attack
[22:08:02] >> yeah
[22:08:07] << that should teach those lanceari ;)
[22:08:13] >> they are actually decent anti cata
[22:08:16] << yup
[22:08:24] << unexpected anti cata
[22:08:37] << baktria hippies
[22:08:40] << i like them
[22:08:42] << mini cata
[22:08:44] >> fine as is
[22:08:47] << ok
[22:08:53] << /chat loggging offs
[22:08:55] << mehehehe
- Change the Baktrian Elite Infantry on the same model as the Hypaspists
- Reduce cost of Baktrian Light Infantry to around 1.25 or 1.3k , give 1 extra attack.
- Give Indian Elephants more elephants, no price change.
- Give Baktrian Hippotoxotai cantabrian circle and make them cheaper.
- Change the Indo Baktrian Elites into a non elite heavy Hoplite with a longsword (Massalian Hoplite/Hypaspist Hybrid)
- Reduce the cost of Taxilan Agema to around 3k Region, buff up sowrd attack1 or 2 points.
Well thats pretty much it, Baktria has a smallish roster so not much thought needed , just some sprucing up.
Hayasdan
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Spoiler Alert, click show to read:[22:14:45] [Brave Sir Robin - 5.213.159.137] is online
[22:14:48] << /CHATBEGIN
[22:15:11] << we were at?
[22:15:22] >> umm the elite infantry
[22:15:24] << yae
[22:15:28] >> we decided to leave them as is
[22:15:31] << yes
[22:15:33] << next
[22:15:35] << caucasians
[22:15:39] >> fine
[22:15:42] << fine
[22:15:45] << 7 attack
[22:15:48] << when upgraded
[22:15:53] << but not enough armor
[22:16:09] >> scythians are fine as well
[22:16:12] << yes
[22:16:12] >> great range
[22:16:20] << Median Cav
[22:16:23] << are done?
[22:16:30] >> these are armenian mediums
[22:16:34] >> different
[22:16:37] >> better unit
[22:16:40] << they look better
[22:16:44] << but more expensive
[22:16:46] << no i dont like
[22:16:48] >> better morale, attack, defense
[22:16:49] << medians are better
[22:16:54] << because they are cheaper
[22:16:59] << and 2 of them still murder a cata
[22:17:14] >> well knock down the price by 100 then
[22:17:18] << yep
[22:17:21] << no stat change
[22:17:38] >> armored ha
[22:17:49] >> more expensive than pahlava ones but i think that is fine
[22:17:55] << are they better>
[22:17:56] << ?
[22:17:58] >> since hai should rely more on infantry
[22:17:59] >> no
[22:18:03] >> same i believe
[22:18:12] << parthia and steppes have discounts
[22:18:17] << fine unit
[22:18:19] >> thats why then
[22:18:29] >> yes its a good unit for its price
[22:18:37] << but takes an archer slot
[22:18:38] << ...............
[22:18:47] << we need atleast 4 persians
[22:18:51] << so 1 of these?
[22:19:02] >> ?
[22:19:08] >> hai can go steppe too you know
[22:19:13] << no it cant
[22:19:14] << iirc
[22:19:18] >> yes it can
[22:19:24] >> hai, baktria and getai iirc
[22:19:59] >> yes just confirmed it
[22:20:02] << yes
[22:20:05] << you are right
[22:20:08] << hmm
[22:20:12] << that opens a new chapter
[22:20:22] << Hai are no longer shit in my mind now :D
[22:21:16] << ok so armenians armoured HA are fine
[22:21:18] << next
[22:21:20] >> yeah
[22:21:24] >> their light HA are ok
[22:21:28] << georgians
[22:21:37] >> basically same as pahlava ones but a little more expensive
[22:21:47] >> pontic spears?
[22:21:54] >> scythian axes?
[22:21:56] << i think we do them for pontus
[22:22:00] >> ok
[22:22:03] << scythian axes....
[22:22:06] << pontus?
[22:22:10] >> sure
[22:22:20] >> gerogians swords are another eh unit
[22:22:30] << they sadden me
[22:22:35] << they could be awsome
[22:22:40] << if they costed as much as thureos
[22:22:47] << would not need to change price
[22:22:51] >> higher attack is needed tho
[22:22:56] >> 11 with shortsword
[22:22:59] >> is low
[22:23:00] << yep
[22:23:09] << +2 or +1?
[22:23:13] << i say +2
[22:23:17] >> yes i agree
[22:23:20] << but no price hike
[22:23:26] << make em 1.4k
[22:23:26] >> no
[22:23:46] >> with +2 attack no price reduction is needed
[22:23:53] << ok
[22:24:05] << mardian archers
[22:24:05] >> mardian archers
[22:24:06] >> fine
[22:24:10] << never used these
[22:24:22] >> they are sorta in between steppe and persian archers
[22:24:36] >> more towards the steppe ones
[22:24:40] << ok
[22:24:43] << no change?
[22:24:49] >> nah
[22:24:54] << persians were done
[22:25:03] >> yes
[22:25:03] << medium easter cavalry?
[22:25:06] >> fine
[22:25:11] >> crappier version of medians
[22:25:15] << cheaper
[22:25:17] >> yes
[22:25:19] << do they have axe?
[22:25:21] >> yes
[22:25:25] << fine then
[22:25:29] << khuveshavagan
[22:25:35] << i LOVE these guys
[22:25:35] >> good unit actually
[22:25:37] << 3.2k cata
[22:25:39] >> like them for the price
[22:26:05] << i think these got changed
[22:26:07] << gotta check
[22:26:51] << formation got changed somewhat
[22:27:01] << and price was increased
[22:27:06] << i think they are awsome
[22:27:19] << but seem to die to arrows
[22:27:27] >> they are not arrow proof
[22:27:31] << meh
[22:27:32] >> but thats fine
[22:27:34] << dont have to be
[22:27:42] << archer war will be either a draw or a win
[22:27:44] >> armenian catas
[22:27:49] << Hai cannot possibly lose the archer war
[22:27:55] << will have to see changes on these
[22:27:56] >> ...i liked them better before
[22:28:12] >> they used to be good stamina cataphracts with slightly less armor
[22:28:13] << hmm ok
[22:28:17] << armor got buffed
[22:28:21] << given full armored horse
[22:28:32] >> yes, bascially changed to the pahlav catas
[22:28:41] >> but more expensive since they don't recieve discount
[22:28:44] << defense skill got buffed
[22:28:45] << to
[22:28:45] >> i guess its fine
[22:28:55] << but price hike of 200 (!!!!)
[22:29:03] << morale got increased 2 points
[22:29:46] >> they are fine i suppose
[22:29:57] >> you have to pay more for cav as hai than pahlav
[22:30:09] >> but your infantry is better
[22:30:14] << somewhat
[22:30:22] << ok fine then
[22:30:24] << next
[22:30:24] >> it should be more than somewhat
[22:30:30] >> thats what these changes are for :)
[22:30:32] << yep
[22:30:34] << next
[22:30:43] >> scythian HA
[22:30:51] >> the reason you would never buy armenian HA
[22:31:02] << lol
[22:31:02] << ya
[22:31:05] << same as daha rider
[22:31:06] << s
[22:31:12] << steppe riders
[22:31:18] >> nah i talking scythian HA
[22:31:23] >> not scythian riders lol
[22:31:25] << crappier more expensive version of scythian riders
[22:31:31] << eh?
[22:31:33] << o ya :D
[22:31:44] << wao these are only 1k !! :D
[22:31:51] >> yeah lol
[22:31:52] << mercs?
[22:32:07] << pretty much done now
[22:32:16] << eastern lights are fine
[22:32:26] >> haha the scythians aren't mercs for hai
[22:32:51] << wao
[22:32:52] << ok
[22:32:54] << done?
[22:32:55] << lets play
[22:32:56] << now
[22:32:56] << :D
[22:33:03] >> ok
[22:33:08] << /CHATLOGGING OFF
[22:33:10] << mehehehehe
[22:34:27] << i deleted the previous one -.-
[22:34:34] << your have to correct some of my mistakes now :D
[23:08:23] << cannot see ur chat
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[LIST][*]Give armenian medium infantry +2 attack[*]Armenian Spearmen to be cheaper.
- Knock down the price of Armenian Medium cavalry by 100 or so.
- +2 attack to the Georgian Infantry.
- Well thats about it, hopefull more attack will solve Hai infantry being incredibly useless compared to everything else in this game.
For the Saba, the only thing robin says is Red Sea axemen should be cheaper.
Makedon
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[00:05:29] >> ok start makedon
[00:05:31] >> ?
[00:05:37] << /START TEH MAKEDON
[00:05:39] << WROOM WROOOM
[00:05:40] << lol
[00:06:12] >> galathraikes
[00:06:21] << good unit
[00:06:24] << longswords
[00:06:27] << though morale
[00:06:29] << is finicky
[00:06:34] << and not enough armor
[00:06:37] << to warrant that price
[00:06:37] >> they have excellent morale
[00:06:40] << 12
[00:06:43] << no 13
[00:06:47] >> that is good for a barb unit
[00:06:48] << 13 is finicky :D
[00:06:50] << i say
[00:06:57] << what are they meant to be anyways?
[00:07:08] >> medium hacking infantry
[00:07:15] >> sorta like the belgae swords
[00:07:19] >> but not quite as good
[00:07:25] >> and priced accordingly
[00:07:27] << than they should be something like 1.6 or 1.55
[00:07:35] >> no they are fine
[00:07:41] << they do not have the "push" of the milnaht
[00:07:51] >> their formation isn't as tight thats true
[00:07:59] >> but milnaht also cost more
[00:08:05] << hmm yeah
[00:08:08] << still they are good unit
[00:08:14] << a great use of a merc slot
[00:08:17] >> and these are in rosters of civilized factions
[00:08:31] >> so they fulfill a different role
[00:08:49] << i stand corrected
[00:08:52] << they are an awsome unit
[00:09:00] << in 2,1
[00:09:02] << 2.1
[00:09:11] << jav range got decreased a few.11
[00:09:14] << BUT
[00:09:17] << morale
[00:09:19] << got bugged
[00:09:22] << buffed*
[00:09:24] << 2 points
[00:09:26] << to 15
[00:09:32] << impetuous was removed
[00:09:33] << and
[00:09:35] >> who are we talking?
[00:09:37] << diciplined
[00:09:38] >> agrianians
[00:09:39] >> ?
[00:09:40] << galathraikes
[00:09:44] >> oh
[00:09:46] << id say
[00:09:50] >> lets move on
[00:09:51] << these are line infantry mate
[00:09:54] >> they are fine as is
[00:10:00] << ok
[00:10:02] << agrianians
[00:10:06] >> also fine
[00:10:10] >> i love me some agrianians
[00:10:15] << they are unchanged
[00:10:17] << yes
[00:10:23] << Makedons answer to thorkies
[00:10:28] << love these guys
[00:10:40] >> skip lugoae
[00:10:43] << yes
[00:10:47] << triballi
[00:10:48] >> triballi
[00:10:53] >> these are tricky
[00:10:59] >> do they have higher armor than galas?
[00:11:02] << wait
[00:11:07] << armor or defence as a whole?
[00:11:13] >> armor soley
[00:11:15] >> defense is the same
[00:11:28] << yes they have more armor
[00:11:44] >> morale?
[00:11:53] << same
[00:11:55] << impetuous
[00:12:03] << more expensive
[00:12:05] << hmmm
[00:12:05] << idk
[00:12:11] >> lower jav attack
[00:12:19] << does not matter that much
[00:12:34] >> yeah but for a more expensive unit it does
[00:12:48] << yea theyd need a bump
[00:13:00] << unchanged they are
[00:13:26] >> maybe change their defense skill to be equal to galas?
[00:13:30] << yes
[00:13:33] >> or maybe +1 attack
[00:13:41] << make the more expensive unit worth it
[00:13:47] >> yes
[00:13:48] << on
[00:13:49] << no
[00:13:51] << longswords
[00:13:54] << id say
[00:14:00] << should have more or less uniform attacks
[00:14:04] >> lol
[00:14:09] >> gaesatae have 14 attack
[00:14:12] << yea that sounds wierd
[00:14:18] << most others mid tier have 10
[00:14:23] << above them
[00:14:29] >> yeah
[00:14:32] << thigns like galathraikes and triballi 11
[00:14:37] >> ok
[00:14:43] >> then higher defense skill
[00:14:48] << yeah
[00:14:57] >> makes sense
[00:15:02] >> and i like triballi
[00:15:08] >> i'd like to see them succees
[00:15:12] >> succeed
[00:15:20] << price should still be the same
[00:15:24] >> yeah
[00:15:26] >> moving on
[00:15:29] >> elite thracians
[00:15:32] >> fine
[00:15:33] << fine
[00:15:37] >> orca
[00:15:38] >> fine
[00:15:39] << orca
[00:15:40] << i lieks
[00:15:43] >> love these guys btw
[00:15:48] >> one of my fav units now
[00:16:01] << hyps and peltast done
[00:16:09] << classical hoplite and thureos done
[00:16:11] << pez done
[00:16:17] << deuteroi phalanx...
[00:16:19] >> celto hellenics are fine too
[00:16:20] << what are these
[00:16:34] >> can we do a test of deuteroi against panda real fast
[00:16:36] >> ?
[00:16:40] << ik
[00:16:42] << k
[00:17:08] >> i hope i picked flat map
[00:20:45] << ok
[00:20:56] << so Deuteroi need a bigger pike attack i thinks
[00:21:15] >> lets compare their stats
[00:21:23] >> including morale, discipline etc
[00:21:30] << k
[00:21:45] << you tell the panda stat
[00:21:47] << i look it up
[00:21:50] << and compare it to june
[00:21:53] >> i got deuteroi
[00:21:57] >> first
[00:21:58] << k
[00:22:04] >> 14 attack
[00:22:10] >> 8,7,2 defense
[00:22:18] << yes
[00:22:21] >> 10 morale, normal discipline, highly trained
[00:22:26] << mine is 772
[00:22:27] >> hardy
[00:22:38] << 9 morale low highly trained
[00:22:50] >> they got extra armor point i guess
[00:22:55] << hardy
[00:22:56] >> and morale
[00:23:00] << they need that extra attack
[00:23:10] >> they need to be cheaper i think
[00:23:16] >> they are still levies
[00:23:18] << yes
[00:23:19] << 1.3
[00:23:32] >> after all these are greeks fighting for greeks
[00:23:37] >> not foreigners fighting for greeks
[00:23:42] << i think they would win on guard mode against panda
[00:23:44] << that way
[00:23:50] << it wont go into seondary mode
[00:23:53] >> yeah
[00:24:01] >> so drop the cost
[00:24:10] >> that helps makedon and epeiros a lot too
[00:24:17] >> since they can afford other shit
[00:24:36] << yes
[00:24:38] << moving on
[00:24:44] >> ok pez we did
[00:24:49] >> argyraspides we did
[00:24:55] << we did?
[00:25:00] << i dont think we did
[00:25:02] << did we?
[00:25:03] >> for AS yes
[00:25:07] >> no change
[00:25:07] << ye i remebmers
[00:25:14] >> tho gg2 may change them himself
[00:25:20] << i think everything here is fine
[00:25:21] << just
[00:25:25] << those hysteroi phalanx
[00:25:34] << they need a massive price cut
[00:25:44] >> yes massive
[00:25:49] << like
[00:25:50] >> to 2.4 or 2.3
[00:25:52] << same as pontice
[00:25:54] << eya
[00:25:56] << well
[00:26:00] << id say thats a given
[00:26:04] << and the rest is fine with maks
[00:26:11] >> agreed
[00:26:32] << ok
[00:26:43] >> what about galatian shortswords?
[00:26:43] << man its raining so heavily i cant hear myself
[00:26:50] << didnt we do them?
[00:26:52] << as AS?
[00:26:53] >> idk
[00:27:08] >> i think we agreed that all shortsword units should be cheaper
[00:27:15] >> if we weren't going to raise lethality
[00:27:20] >> or we could raise attack
[00:27:24] << yes
[00:27:27] >> from 12 to 13-14
[00:27:27] << ok
[00:27:29] << moving on
[00:27:32] << next faction?
- Buff Triballi defence skill, 12 or 13 . Or add an extra attack.
- Reduce cost of Deuteroi phalanx, make a difference in quality mor noticeable to the Panda phalanx.
- MASSIVE cost reduction needed for the Hysteroi phalanx, make those reformed pikes worth it, cut price down to 2,3 or 2,4k , same as the Chalkispededes.
Well thats pretty much all there is, just reducing the cost of pikes allows Makedon to afford some of their better non pike units.
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