An Area not Covered (I think) by TW

[LordK9]

OK, this is about (sort of) TW but, this is the best place for this, I think.

I don't believe TW has ever done anything in the chariot ages so I'm wondering if that may or may not be popular. In some ways, it'd be difficult there's really a limited number of possible empires. Later Assyria, the Hittite Empire period, and Egypt co-existed. Judea was there (and possibly Israel - I didn't research those) but it/they would be rebel areas more then likely as they were quite weak. Way too early for the Greek States. With some research, it's possible the Mittites and others might still be plausible kingdoms to use. I think it would be an interesting game but perhaps more limited like Shogun.

Thoughts?

[Crandar]

I like it, but the vast majority of customers wouldn't, which is why we are never going to get a Chariot TW. Only hope is mods.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

OK, this is about (sort of) TW but, this is the best place for this, I think.

I don't believe TW has ever done anything in the chariot ages so I'm wondering if that may or may not be popular. In some ways, it'd be difficult there's really a limited number of possible empires. Later Assyria, the Hittite Empire period, and Egypt co-existed. Judea was there (and possibly Israel - I didn't research those) but it/they would be rebel areas more then likely as they were quite weak. Way too early for the Greek States. With some research, it's possible the Mittites and others might still be plausible kingdoms to use. I think it would be an interesting game but perhaps more limited like Shogun.

Thoughts?

You'd get the Greek states -- but they'd be literally Homeric in character and tech. Chariots were "the thing" in Greece too, at least for the heroes and leaders.

[drone]

Weren't chariots in the original RTW?

[LordK9]

Yes but that was a fiction - they were obsolete even in Alexander's time. Egypt was the main user in RTW (there were others like the eastern Asian powers) but they used Greek fighters in the RTW time period - mostly Greek mercenaries as Egyptians weren't allowed in the military. Some Celtic tribes had ceremonial chariots as overly reflected in RTW.

You'd get the Greek states -- but they'd be literally Homeric in character and tech. Chariots were "the thing" in Greece too, at least for the heroes and leaders.

The Greek City States didn't form until centuries after the chariot ages. I think the tribes (Dorians) had and used them but the Athens/Sparta thing was much later. Perhaps the Mycenaeans (which were, as you said, Homeric) but they were and offshoot of the Minoan civilization - possible, but they really didn't react with anyone militarily outside of Greece and western Anatolia. I'm not sure from memory - there may have been some overlap between them and the eastern Med areas. Not at all sure what was west of the Hittites.

The game would likely have to revolve around Sumer and the various peoples of the lower Tigris/Euphrates region I'd think.

[Crandar]

Pontus and the Seleucids using scythed chariots wasn't fiction, but yes, Mummy returns Egyptians was really edjy staff.

About the greek polis, I think Seamus mistakenly thought that you were talking about the 9th or 8th century, because of your comment about the neo-Assyrian Empire. I agree that we can't mention any Greek polis before the 9th century BC, although some proto-urban elements began to appear even in 900s, in places like Crete or near ancient Mycenean centers.

[Fragony]

Hittites were notorious for using them, they are probably the first to use them, sounds like a fit for a good mod at least

[LordK9]

Pontus and the Seleucids using scythed chariots wasn't fiction, but yes, Mummy returns Egyptians was really edjy staff.

About the greek polis, I think Seamus mistakenly thought that you were talking about the 9th or 8th century, because of your comment about the neo-Assyrian Empire. I agree that we can't mention any Greek polis before the 9th century BC, although some proto-urban elements began to appear even in 900s, in places like Crete or near ancient Mycenean centers.

Yes, true but they were very useful against eastern style ground troops which were more like a mob then a unit. Darius III brought them back after a hundred or so years of non-use against Alexander at Gaugemela and they were cut to pieces after doing little harm (RTW actually handles this well - chariots are useless vs phalanx formations. They were obsolete vs disciplined troops, ie, Greek/Roman/Macedonian.