Coats of Arms

[deguerra]

Hello All,

basically I have quite the obsession with heraldry (although not all that much knowledge of it) and enjoy crafting and designing coats of arms (especially round abouts the times of uni exams).

Hopefully, however, this is good news for KotR as I would like to extend an offer to any and all of you to craft your avatars their very own coats of arms, to be used however you may desire.

examples are zim and my signatures:



I have come up with/easily found base coats for each of the four houses and the empire, but other than that I am open for suggestions and have quite a lot of mainly german and french coats of arms sittinng about both on my computer and on wikipedia. furthermore, adding in elements from other images isnt too difficult. so basically anything you can give me an image of, i can incorporate.

Furthermore, I have a nice set of corwns for both Counts and Dukes (Princes also, actually) but am still looking for an Imperial one. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...z_Joseph_I.png is what im looking for, but that doesnt fit with the style of the coats of arms, if i just copy and paste it

I only have two requests:
1. Have patience, as this can take some time, and I am a bit of a perfectionist at times. That being said, sometimes the sizes are slightly off, and some crowns come out bigger than others. Don't read too much into that.
2. That being said, obviously politics can come into coats of arms (the Swabian Principality being an example) and I am happy to include all your desires/claims. Just don't shoot the messenger, is all I ask

Deguerra

edit: Current coats of arms for easy reference:

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The Emperor


Elberhard

The Duchy of Swabia


Athalwolf von Salza

Ehrhart Ruppel

The Principality of Swabia


Wolfgang Hummel

Jan von der Pfalz, Count of Antwerpen


Ludwig von Bohmen, Count of Bruges


Jens Merode

The Duchy of Franconia


Peter von Kastilien

Dieter von Kassel

Fritz von Kastilien

Dieter Bresch, Count of Magdeburg

Algarda/Andreas von Hamburg

Tancred von Tyrolia

The Duchy of Austria


Arnold, Duke of Austria


Karl Zirn, Count of Zagreb


Johann Zirn

Edmund Becker, Count of Bohemia


Lorenz Zirn, Count of Budapest


The Duchy of Bavaria


Lothar Steffen, Duke of Bavaria


Fredericus Erlach, Count of Ajaccio


Matthias Steffen, King of Outremer


Friedrich Karolinger, Count of Innsbruck


Hermann Steffen


One for Bohemia is no problem either of course :D

[OverKnight]

Very Nice. I've always had a fascination myself with heraldry. Back in my younger days I played Chaosium's King Arthur Pendragon RPG, and one of the cools apsects of character creation was making a coat of arms for your character.

Now that Matt is King of Outremer, I'm wondering what his coat of arms should be. An obvious candidate would be the arms of the Kingdom of Jerusalem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:A...salem.svg#file

But considering his home duchy and that he is an imperial appointee, I'm wondering if the Crusader Cross should be quartered with the Bavarian blue and white lozenges and the Imperial Eagle. Of course that might be a bit too loud.

Or considering this is an alternative Outremer, we could have a black Crusader Cross on a yellow field, which would be more in line with Imperial colors.

[deguerra]

(YAY: somebody acutally replied)

way ahead of you my friend :D

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was my basic idea, some of which is quite similar to yours. glad to see that.

now for matts personal arms it would be nice to add something bavarian in...perhaps have the subshield half imperial half bavarian?

will play aroud with that

edit: a) would you like a crown and
b) if yes, what would be applicable? is the crown of thorns the crown of outremer?

edit2: like this, say:

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(YAY somebody replied :D)

thanks

deguerra

[OverKnight]

The Crown of Thorns is a relic in the posession of the Kings of Outremer since Otto von Kassel, but I don't think it is worn as a crown. That might be a tad sacrilegious.

But since Matt is a King (of a whole two counties mind you) I guess he should have a crown.

I'm not sure how blue and white mixes with yellow and gold however.

[deguerra]

Hmm, Ive used the bavarian and imperial arms together multiple times and never really thought about it, but it is a bit of a sharp contrast. with that in mind, i changed the outremer arms to be more like that of jerusalem, and made the bavarian blue more like it really is (and matched the outremer blue to that), which makes the overall effect less jarring. let me know what you think.

ah, yes and added a crown :D

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[Ferret]

nice stuff deguerra! I've sent you some ideas for Dieter in reply to your PM.

[Zim]

Hmm, Ive used the bavarian and imperial arms together multiple times and never really thought about it, but it is a bit of a sharp contrast. with that in mind, i changed the outremer arms to be more like that of jerusalem, and made the bavarian blue more like it really is (and matched the outremer blue to that), which makes the overall effect less jarring. let me know what you think.

ah, yes and added a crown :D

Pure awesomeness

Hey now, no making the other players' heraldry look cooler than that of your compatriots!

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[deguerra]

Out of curiosity, why Saxony? The only thing I have against saxony is that the green sash is quite hard to get into place right :D. Anyway let me know what you think:

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deleted, sorry :D

Zim, in all seriousness, if you'd like yours a bit more personalized, let me know, id be more than happy to

deguerra

[Zim]

I was just kidding. I think the one that you made for me is fantastic.
Hmmm...is there a subshield for Antwerp? As his adopted city, maybe he should use that one instead of the one for the Palatinate.

[deguerra]

yeh i was thinking that. its a bit sketchy to find though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Antwerp_City.jpg is the best ive gotten so far. still looking

[Stuperman]

Any chance that I could get a one made with a Bavarian background, and a small empire symbol in the center?

[deguerra]

Zim, hows this one:

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Stuperman: thats what I'm here for, but are you sure you wouldnt like some more personalization. Corsican coat of arms, say? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...of_Corsica.svg

deguerra

[Zim]

Zim, hows this one:



Stuperman: thats what I'm here for, but are you sure you wouldnt like some more personalization. Corsican coat of arms, say? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...of_Corsica.svg

deguerra

I like it!

[Stuperman]

That'd be sweet if you could integrate something like that.

[Zim]

Bwahaha! Someday my Avatar's coat of arms will consist of a thousand half-shields!!!!

[deguerra]

hmm, well this is what i have currently, but without a division in the main shield, i find the subshiled looks a little out of place. let me know what you think:

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gone again it seems...I wonder where all these went

edit: zim, i think yours is too big for your siggy again. will work on that

[Zim]

edit: zim, i think yours is too big for your siggy again. will work on that

I figured it was a practice run. Come to think of it, maybe dividing the subshield would make the pictures too small after it was shrunk down to sig size?

[deguerra]

well it can do this size:

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which is pretty much what we have now. perhaps just dont go conquering too much, so i dont have to keep adding things :P

[Zim]

What's your opinion? Does the subshield look ok split in two at that size?

[Stuperman]

well, I'm not sure I like the Crown, and I know what you mean, it could use something to break it up a bit. If there is any appropriate crosses that could be placed behind the smaller shield that's work for me.

[deguerra]

i reckon the division looks ok. didnt like the red though, so i changed that. see last post. if you'd like just the antwerp shield, let me know

[Zim]

This is kind of embarassing, but I'm not sure which is the fixed version in the post.

I notice that in the top one the symbol in red is a bit easier to make out, and that in the second, it fills it's half of the shield more.

[deguerra]

somehow managed to resize the castle. the second one is the red i like better. it looks less...glaring. that being said the castle should be more like the first... :D what do you think?

edit: updated

[Zim]

somehow managed to resize the castle. the second one is the red i like better. it looks less...glaring. that being said the castle should be more like the first... :D what do you think?

edit: updated

Looks good! It took me a second to notice the shade of red is different. I like the new, darker one.

[AussieGiant]

Excellent stuff deguerra.

I was also into Coat of Arms when I was at uni.

We have a family tree in which all the coat of arms throughout the family’s history was represented.

What do you think you could do for the Dread Duke of Austria?

[deguerra]

updated the first post to make it more easy to find stuff. if you want your arms as part of your signature, let me know as it may need to be below 10kbytes and i can get rid of the black border.

thanks AussieGiant. I'm afraid my own family was naught but Silesian and Westfalian peasants, so coats of arms are unfortuntely non-present :D would be cool though.

now as for arnold:

i assume some element of austria goes without saying. I could halve it with the venetian coat of arms if you'd like, or the empire, or just leave it as the entire thing.

as for a personalized subshied, some sort of fear inspiring thing would be nice. I found a good (i thought) wolf for Elite Ferret, so it would be nice to have something esle...

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...raldika%29.PNG say
or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im..._--_buffle.PNG

or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...ure_-_Boar.svg ( I appear to be stuck on barnyard animals...well he is austrian :P)


or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...8wyvern%29.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im..._Griffon_2.svg
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...le_Griffon.svg

or
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Im...erstenfeld.png

thats the more "dreaded" stuff i could come up with but feel free to browse http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca..._arms_elements
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca...raldic_figures

and google of course

[AussieGiant]

Hi deguerra,

My family had a little more "bling" throughout history.

On one of the family trees there was the 4th or 5th wife of one of those fornicating English Kings.

The Family Motto is:

A Stag pressed becomes a Lion.

The family crest is a Red faced Stag on a Silver shield.

As for Arnold then I think you're going in the right direction.

Some part of the Austrian shield with a blood red griffon on a black background or the other way round...

...I can't find anything to date though.

[deguerra]

red griffin on a red background or the other way around?

reminds me of the frisian war flag: white eagle on a white background

i assume white in there somewhere?

edit: how about this

[RoadKill]

red griffin on a red background or the other way around?

reminds me of the frisian war flag: white eagle on a white background

i assume white in there somewhere?

edit: how about this

That is awesome, I think all the Austrian electors should have that in their sig.

[deguerra]

glad you like it :D

I am more than happy to make personalized ones for the other electors as well, though. perhaps something reflecting budapest or hungary for you? any thoughts on personal arms?

deguerra