Grand Campaign Hotseat 2: The Rising Storm

[Privateerkev]

So, anyone taking bets on which faction is the first to go?

I'm thinking its either Milan, England or Scotland.

It's usually the one that keeps bringing up "faction destruction", and war with human players, the most in the OOC thread...

[Ramses II CP]

I think, honestly, that if a player takes the HRE the smart thing for everyone around him to do is band together and destroy him immediately. Otherwise he should be able to destroy them one by one fairly easily.

[Privateerkev]

I think, honestly, that if a player takes the HRE the smart thing for everyone around him to do is band together and destroy him immediately. Otherwise he should be able to destroy them one by one fairly easily.

Technically, the smart thing for everyone to do, is to make exactly one enemy, and have the rest as friends.

But, no one said we had to be smart.

And this is to everyone,

Do we really have to keep discussing war and such in the OOC thread? Let it play out in the game. Make some PM's. Make some Council declarations.

Too much OOC talk about who should be jumped first seems "campy".

Just my opinion...

[deguerra]

cecil has taken the HRE, and king knud of the danes will not take kindly to that kind of talk :D

[Cecil XIX]

EDIT: Forget what I said, I agree with Privateerkev. This entire page is inappropriate.

[FactionHeir]

Eh, are you saying Knud and Jalal are incompetent?

[Privateerkev]

Eh, are you saying Knud and Jalal are incompetent?

Without a smiley, that almost looks like "baiting" FH.

I'm not saying people shouldn't organize a "pile on" if they want to.

I'm just asking if we can keep the "propaganda" out of here...

[FactionHeir]

I coulda sworn I added in a smilie, but if you insist, you can have this one:

Nothing much to do IC as all that needs to be said has been said and we are more or less waiting for the game to start.

[Cecil XIX]

A thought just ocurred to me: Would there be any in-game penalty for marching troops across foreign lands if you had an in-character but not in-game agreement of military access?

[FactionHeir]

Well, you get a relation penalty (not that it matters among humans) and I think a very minor penalty with the pope too.

[Privateerkev]

Nothing much to do IC as all that needs to be said has been said and we are more or less waiting for the game to start.

Seeing as you felt the need to make the case in this thread, for everyone to war against HRE, you obviously felt that there was more that needed to be said.

Maybe it is how I see "OOC threads" in these games. I see them as a place for the community to come together, ask questions, banter good naturedly, bring up topics, and keep the game running smoothly.

Unless you want to plan the whole game out ahead of time, which seems less fun, I like actually playing the game and seeing what happens. If you want to organize a pile-on, I assure you it is quite possible to do so in the game. Some well placed PM's to the right people and some coordination is all it takes. If you can't find enough allies to join in your quest, then lobbying the players of the game in the OOC thread just seems to be the wrong way to go about it.

Would there be any in-game penalty for marching troops across foreign lands if you had an in-character but not in-game agreement of military access?

The "devastation mechanic" cares not for what you have agreed to in a PM. Whatever causes "devastation" will do so unless you do the in-game diplomacy.

As far as I know...

[FactionHeir]

Devastation only affects factions at war.

And I got my allies IC already. The OOC is friendly discussion, albeit more aggressive than KOTR obviously.

[Privateerkev]

Devastation only affects factions at war.

ah, thanks!

And I got my allies IC already. The OOC is friendly discussion, albeit more aggressive than KOTR obviously.

I guess I saw no reason why it had to be "aggressive" at all. Keep the angst in the game I say...

[Ramses II CP]

Sorry, I meant my comment in a more generic, 'this is what I see in the map' kind of way. If I was the HRE I would immediately move to smash one of my surrounding enemies and I don't believe any of the nations around me could stop it, so...

Point taken though, I won't discuss specifics of the matter here in regard to this game.

[Privateerkev]

Sorry, I meant my comment in a more generic, 'this is what I see in the map' kind of way. If I was the HRE I would immediately move to smash one of my surrounding enemies and I don't believe any of the nations around me could stop it, so...

Point taken though, I won't discuss specifics of the matter here in regard to this game.

Well you were certainly non-aggressive about it. But, I guess even discussing basic vulnerabilities and strategies could become too much. It's like when I was playing Risk with my old gaming group. Every Risk playing group has that one guy who very obviously says, "Wow look, Kevin left Kamchatka totally open. You could sooo break his continent."

[Ramses II CP]

Heh, I was never much of a Risk guy, more into Diplomacy where that kind of comment is expected and usually returned with interest.

[RoadKill]

Zim would you mind subbing for me as France for the week I am gone?

[Zim]

Zim would you mind subbing for me as France for the week I am gone?

Sure, just pm me directions if you want anything in particular done.

[Zim]

While I'm not going to tell people they can't do some OOC planning in here, I'm not sure it's a wise idea to talk about carving up a faction's territories. For one thing, it's likely to make you look bad. For example Poland's territorial claims will look much weaker if people think they're just trying to goad the HRE into a war with its neighbors.

However, speculative stuff (wow, I wonder why Zim betrayed his wife to the French ) is fine, and lots of fun.

[gibsonsg91921]

I feel like if I went all out and got "expansionist" with Spain then I would be accused of picking on the girl.

Don't worry, I'm not going to as far as I can see, but it will get crowded in the Iberian Peninsula.

[Zim]

Just watch for those triple gold chevron stacks I'm giving her.

Seriously, although I'd expect Spain and Portugal to cooperate in the short term (reconquista and all), I don't think anyone will be extremely offended if you tried to take out Spain later, least of all me or Molly.

I feel like if I went all out and got "expansionist" with Spain then I would be accused of picking on the girl.

Don't worry, I'm not going to as far as I can see, but it will get crowded in the Iberian Peninsula.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'll play as the Moors if you'll still have me.

I've never touched the faction before and, TBH, haven't even picked up M2TW in a while so it should be fun.

[Zim]

Glad to have you, GH. You'll need to pm me your password.

I'd advise talking to the other Muslim factions and possible neighbors, although it might be tough with the Iberian factions, what with the Reconquista and all...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Gotcha.

PMing shortly.

[deguerra]

two questions:

1. in the timeframe it was not uncommon for rulers to pawn off their lands to others for a set time, in order to raise enough money for crusading or warring. is this a bad idea in m2tw for any reason? (obvioulsy would be advisable only with human factions, and even then its obvioulsy risky. have fun trying to convince the AI to give back a settlement )

2. i realise the thought comes quite late for our game, but why does nobody do a hotseat campaign based on one of the more popular mods (lusteds lands to conquer or stainless steel say)?

[Zim]

1. I suppose you could try that with Human players, assuming they have enough florins for it to be worth it. There's no mechanism other than maybe public opinion (via the Council) to ensure players keep that kind of deal, though.

2. I think it's because it's hard to get that many people to download a mod just to play a hotseat game. KOTR is the only exception I can think of, and they worked to make it so the mod wouldn't affect your normal games.

[deguerra]

1. yeh I wasn't meaning for there to be some sort of OOC enforcement mechanism. Obviously it would be at your own risk.

2. well personally, I have an obsession to download and try out quite a few mods, so I guess to me thats no problem. I guess more vanilla-ey people, and esp. those with worse internet connections would be left out, especially bad when you have as many people as you need for a grand campaign. was just thinking...

[phonicsmonkey]

deguerra, I think there will be a few people around interested in playing a Broken Crescent hotseat when (and if) it's ever ready

I know I'm itching to play it, and Sinan has also made it clear he'll be up for BC in multiplayer

[Zim]

I'd join a BC hotseat, although last I ehard the version they were working on was for 1.2, and not compatable with 1.3.

Almost all factions are filled, and we've had plenty of time to negotiate. I'm going to start this tomorrow, as soon as I get the last few passwords.

[Privateerkev]

I'll bump the Citadel thread and announce the three vacancies.