Hysteroi Pezhetairoi [Archive]

Torvus

03-19-2008, 07:04

jabarto

03-19-2008, 08:54

So, I see these "evolved" Pezhetairoi on the EB main page, but i'm currently running a Mak campaign and haven't seen them. I also don't see anything about Makedonian reforms in the FAQ. please advise.

There is a reform, of sorts, needed to get them. You need to trigger the vanilla Marian reforms, which happens when any one of the cities in central Italy (Arretium, Capua, Ariminium, and maybe one or two others; someone else can probably tell you exactly which ones) reaches 'huge' size.

At least I think that's how it works.

pezhetairoi

03-19-2008, 15:40

It is. Get that vanilla Marian reform and a lot of things will happen. The Maks will get Hysteroi, the KH will get Phalangitai, the Baktrioi will get Hetairoi Kataphraktoi, the Pahlava get their Grivpanvar...anymore others, guys?

anubis88

03-19-2008, 16:06

Pontos gets their new heteraoi bodyguards, and Armenia gets the Cata bodyguards :yes:

SaberHRE

03-19-2008, 17:55

Wow, the unit looks stunning!:dizzy2: Btw the Hypaspitai unit description says that they later used mail instead of bronze plate, do they appear as a reformed unit for Makedonia after vanilla Marians?

Ludens

03-19-2008, 21:22

Btw the Hypaspitai unit description says that they later used mail instead of bronze plate, do they appear as a reformed unit for Makedonia after vanilla Marians?
No, they stay the same. As do the Macedonian Pheraspides, who already wear chainmail at the start of the game.

abou

03-19-2008, 23:21

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

03-20-2008, 01:01

Expect a revised description for the Hypaspistai with 1.1.
So it's determined by now what the Hypaspistai / Pheraspides will undergo for 1.1?

pezhetairoi

03-20-2008, 05:35

As I heard, the Hypaspistai will look/be the same, but the Pheraspides are going have a major revamp in 1.1 based on the unearthing of new sources and perspectives.

...or something like that.

abou

03-20-2008, 06:47

So it's determined by now what the Hypaspistai / Pheraspides will undergo for 1.1?
For the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi?

Assuming that is the question, nope.

Tyrfingr

03-20-2008, 14:04

And, remember that the Vanilla Reforms can be triggered by cheating using: add_population <city name> <number>

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

03-20-2008, 22:33

For the Hysteroi Pezhetairoi?

Assuming that is the question, nope.
No, what I mean is what changes will happen for the Hypaspistai / Pheraspides in 1.1, if you on the team already know.

abou

03-21-2008, 08:38

No, what I mean is what changes will happen for the Hypaspistai / Pheraspides in 1.1, if you on the team already know.
Currently just new descriptions. They will make more sense though and conform with new research done by the team.

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

03-21-2008, 21:05

So it's NOT clear at the moment. Thx tho.:smiley:

Tellos Athenaios

03-22-2008, 01:43

The problem is that of the fact that virtually all sources (beyond archeology, but therein lies the problem that archeology so far has yet to supply us with some sufficiently detailed inscription or sth.) are basically outsiders commenting on the military.

It's like you are going to write an essay on the US army: you probably know there are tanks, and planes and ordinary people with guns, and ordinary people without guns, and some odd people you don't really know much about - yet do appear to play some vital role in the whole part. And you don't happen to have some contacts in the US military who can tell you all about it, so you got to go by what little you do know about them.

You can guess just how well versed, and detailed your account is going to be regarding those special guys you don't really know the first thing about... ~:)

Same with the hypaspistai, or more accurately the various 'deratives'.

keravnos

03-22-2008, 09:47

So, I see these "evolved" Pezhetairoi on the EB main page, but i'm currently running a Mak campaign and haven't seen them. I also don't see anything about Makedonian reforms in the FAQ. please advise.

In a weird twist of fate, I found this one on the net...

http://www.royalathena.com/PAGES/greekcatpages/Bronze/Armor/LH0802.html

As you see there is this amazingly beautiful evolved boetian helmet along with some mail found in what was Yugoslavia...

Does that ring a bell? :idea2:

Disciple of Tacitus

03-22-2008, 16:49

Hmmm...

I saw a Hysteric Pezhatairoi wandering the streets of Singapore not too long ago. Drunkenly mumbling something about "Lorica Segmentata".
Strange indeed. Is this what you were talking about? He was dressed rather strangely.

:inquisitive:

keravnos

03-22-2008, 18:55

Ok... :book:

This is how EB depicts Hysteroi (evolved) Pezhetairoi
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos5/mak_hysteroi_pezhetairoi.gif

from the description...

Gone was the single greave and fully bronze shield, not to mention the linothorax. They were replaced with mail armor and a wooden composite (plywood) shield of similar strength but far less weight.

This is what the faction of that link reads
http://www.royalathena.com/PAGES/greekcatpages/Bronze/Armor/LH0802.html

IMPORTANT HELLENISTIC IRON HELMET OF BOEOTIAN TYPE, WITH A CHAIN MAIL SHIRT FOUND INSIDE

This mail shirt looked like this...
https://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o276/keravnos/Keravnos4/Konos-BoetianGreatMAIL-1.jpg

Of course, the known Pezhetairoi from Singapore has every right to mumble something about Lorica segmentata. I support him every step of the way! :yes:

I have to wonder though, how much longer till another LS thread?

Disciple of Tacitus

03-22-2008, 19:18

I have to wonder though, how much longer till another LS thread?

10 days til April!!

Torvus

03-22-2008, 21:54

Hey, does anybody know if the Hysteroi Pez will be more widely available than the regular Pez. the description says that the Maks started adopting non-hellenes into their numbers.

General Appo

03-22-2008, 22:06

According to the RV, yes. Go RV!

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

03-23-2008, 00:58

OK, I see Tellos.

Hey, does anybody know if the Hysteroi Pez will be more widely available than the regular Pez. the description says that the Maks started adopting non-hellenes into their numbers.
They are already more widely available.

pezhetairoi

03-23-2008, 05:19

Who, what lorica segmentata pezhetairoi? *looks at self*

Oh...

antisocialmunky

03-23-2008, 15:09

OK, I see Tellos.

They are already more widely available.

They are pretty much everywhere you'll want to go. The only other phalangite units that come close are the Pandas and the KH Phalangites.

russia almighty

03-23-2008, 16:54

ehh, depending on the faction, the Klerks have the biggest AoR.

antisocialmunky

03-23-2008, 17:27

Hmmm. I always thought Pandas had the biggest.

General Appo

03-23-2008, 17:32

Well, the Maks can´t recruit the Klerks in all that many areas for some reason.

pezhetairoi

03-24-2008, 03:51

Hax

03-24-2008, 23:40

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/HysteroiPezoi.jpg

All these provinces+Baktra.

Strategos Alexandros

03-25-2008, 18:06

Probably because that wasn't their area in the first place? If they had gone in there and taken over the kleroi would not be as widespread as it would appear.

Now one interesting thing would be if you could link training of klerouchoi to the building of Kleroi. So if you have the right MIC without the Kleroi, you can only build Pandas/Deuteroi/Pezzies. Once you have Kleroi, voila! Instant soldiers.

You can set it for klerouchoi to be trained from the Kleroi building. I use them as settlemant garrisons only and say that they are only drawn from their homes if the settlement is under siege.

pezhetairoi

03-26-2008, 10:28

Which,of course, wasn't QUITE the way they were handled by the Seleukids... XD But i take your point. I shall go poke around soon.

Not that I'm planning to play AS ever, of course.

Strategos Alexandros

03-26-2008, 12:21

I've done it for Makedon, if that's any better.

KhaziOfKalabara

03-26-2008, 13:47

They are pretty much everywhere you'll want to go. The only other phalangite units that come close are the Pandas and the KH Phalangites.

But the Maks can't recruit Pandas, surely? (I don't have the recruitment viewer, nor have I yet attacked much of Asia Minor yet, so I'm only going on what I can view on other factions' MICs.):inquisitive:

Hax

03-26-2008, 14:48

Makedonia can train Phalangitai Deuteroi, instead of Pandatapoi Phalanigtai.

Spartan198

03-26-2008, 15:13

Noob question homing in... :embarassed:
What does 'Hysteroi' mean,anyway? Something like 'reformed' or 'improved' ,I suspect?
Feel free to pepper me with late-Republican era pila now.

abou

04-09-2008, 02:12

So it's NOT clear at the moment. Thx tho.:smiley:
BTW, those changes made it into 1.1 if you're still curious. :beam:

keravnos

04-09-2008, 09:36

Noob question homing in... :embarassed:
What does 'Hysteroi' mean,anyway? Something like 'reformed' or 'improved' ,I suspect?
Feel free to pepper me with late-Republican era pila now.

Hysteroi=The ones who come after, late, evolved

Centurio Nixalsverdrus

04-09-2008, 18:06

BTW, those changes made it into 1.1 if you're still curious. :beam:
Yes I've read they are called Peltastai Makedoniai now. Can anyone post me a screenshot?

abou

04-09-2008, 19:02

Well, no model changes - just description stuff.

Poggleit

04-09-2008, 19:15

Well, no model changes - just description stuff.

Doesn't the Epeirot version of the Peltastai Makedoniai sport a new skin?

abou

04-09-2008, 19:20

No different than what it had in 1.0, I believe.

Poggleit

04-09-2008, 19:24

Oh, I didn't think they could recruit Pheraspides(sic?) in 1.0. (It is that unit that was renamed Peltastai Makedoniai isn't it?)

abou

04-09-2008, 19:27

Oh, I didn't think they could recruit Pheraspides(sic?) in 1.0. Something to look into if that is the case.

(It is that unit that was renamed Peltastai Makedoniai isn't it?)Yes, Peltastai Makedonikoi.

MarcusAureliusAntoninus

04-09-2008, 20:48

The Epirites were missing the AoR for the Pheraspides in v1.0, but I'm pretty sure they have it in v1.1 (which is slightly changed for all factions anyways).