1.x AI Faction Progression Thread

[Teleklos Archelaou]

The 1.0x AI Faction Progression Thread was a great success, as were the others before it. I just wanted to get a new thread up for 1.1 games. We made a lot of changes to try and get the AI acting more like we want them to, from lessening garrisons in places where we want the AI factions to move into more easily, but keeping them strong when humans play as those factions, to more changes to steppe factions and such.

Let us see what happens in your campaigns!!

Old 1.0x AI Faction Progression Thread:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=93151

[thelord]

eh? Is 1.1 out??

update : wow I cant believe I didnt see it.

[Hax]

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/EB/252KoinonHellenon.jpg

252 BC, Koinon Hellenon

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https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/EB/RomeTW2008-02-1914-01-59-84bmp.jpg

252 BC, Makedonia

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https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/EB/Properbalancing.jpg

253 BC, Arche Seleukeia. Proper balancing

Notice the Pahlava, everyone?

Just for laughs:

HUG TIME!
https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/EB/RomeTW2008-02-2420-09-20-65.jpg

[V.T. Marvin]

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/EB/Properbalancing.jpg

253 BC, Arche Seleukeia. Proper balancing



What the heck does Baktria (?) doing in the Balkans?!?:dizzy2:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Looks like Baktria dies too fast..

[Teleklos Archelaou]

My money is on that he (as AS) conquered those places and gave the provinces to Baktria.

[Hax]

I did not. That is actually the Koinon Hellenon, recoulored.

I always felt like the KH is so..useless after the death of Makedonia, so I recoulored them, to show the change that they have actually started to take back other lands.

[SaberHRE]

Romans seem to be even worse then before :no:

Whilst, Epirotes look like a new Green death :/

Btw, why does it say Roman courage has laid low the enemy, when it was the AS who destroyed Ptolemies?

[Maion Maroneios]

The Epeirotai seem quite strong I must admit, while the Baktrians seem a lot weaker now... Maybe that's to prevent a huge Baktrian empire?

[Hax]

Baktrians start without Marakanda and Alexandreia-Eschate now.

AS should lose them pretty soon to either Saka or Pahlava, and then the Baktrians attack one of those cities (probably one taken by the Saka) and die.

[QuintusSertorius]

Romani game, 270BC:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/Kiero/EB%20screenshots/II270BC.jpg

The green death has already pushed Makedonia out of their homeland.

[STuNTz2023]

Its Winter 255BC on the northern front of my upcoming roman empire and the Epirotes attack Patavium the season before, after being kicked off Italia and forced to sign a peace treaty.
https://img516.imageshack.us/img516/7062/epirotesattackhs3.th.gif (https://img516.imageshack.us/my.php?image=epirotesattackhs3.gif)

Here also in Winter 255BC the next season their ally's the KH land an army and assault Taras.
https://img382.imageshack.us/img382/227/khinvasionwc6.th.jpg (https://img382.imageshack.us/my.php?image=khinvasionwc6.jpg)

Greece, 255BC
https://img175.imageshack.us/img175/7176/winter255bcgv1.th.jpg (https://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=winter255bcgv1.jpg)

[bigmilt16]

are u using bi?

[STuNTz2023]

if your asking myself, yes. kh caught me by surprise.

[General Appo]

I´ve started a few campaigns, and so far I´ve noticed a few differences in AI behaviour from 1.0. Firstly, the Sauromatae seems to be doing much better then usual. Secondly, perhaps most important, all the Seleukid allies seems to turn on them much earlier then in 1.0. In 1.0 I often had Hayasdan, Pontos, Pahlava and Baktria keeping the peace with the Sele´s even though they could have easily taken several regions from them. In my recently started Baktria campaign (I love the one province by the way) Pontos and Pahlava were at war with the Sele´s by 265, both having taken a region from them, and Hayasdan were only neutral to them.
Epeirote seems a lot more active in the early game, and more willing to attack the Maks at Pella, while the Romans seems more focused on Taras then before. The Carthies seems to advance slowly in North Africa, which can only be seen as positive. Overall, 1.1 definitely improves the AI´s behaviour. Great work team.

[QuintusSertorius]

Two more updates, although bear in mind I've been fiddling via Force Diplomacy and the console to give negative funds to transgressors:

266BC:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/Kiero/EB%20screenshots/II266BC.jpg

264BC:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/Kiero/EB%20screenshots/II264BC.jpg

I halted the green death, although Makedonia still seems weak. Epeiros have gone quiet now they've lost Pella and Demetrius. Their full stack doesn't seem to go anywhere. The Getai are romping home with no opposition due to the three Hellenic factions beating each other up.

Pontos is racing across Asia Minor, I recently hit them with a big financial penalty. Been giving bits and pieces to Baktria and the Hai, especially now the former are at war with the Seleukids. The Sauromatae as sweeping the far north and are even in Armenia now. That's a definite change from 1.0.

[Visitor13]

Looks like Baktria dies too fast..

Better them than Pahlava or the Saka, I say. It's more interesting to fight the latter two, whereas Baktria is not that different from the Seleucids or the Ptolies.

I'm more concerned about Epeiros kicking the fudge out of Makedonia so early on.

[Poggleit]

Epeiros Campaign, 252b.c. M/M.

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii16/Poggleit/EpeirosCampaign252bc.jpg

The map distribution seems pretty good to me, except that the Romani have been unable to take Rhegion though not for want of trying. :wall:

I've noticed that there have been more naval invasions in this version, which is a good thing.

Pontos seem to have been stalled by the garrison of Sinope: they keep sending quarter to half stacks at its garrison and being defeated, despite having a full stack in their capital and a three-quarter stack outside.

The Ptolemies and Seleukids have fought each other to something of a stalemate. I even saw a grey army shipped into Egypt proper, although in true AI style the army only contained one unit.:sweatdrop: Baby steps I suppose.

[Ower]

Wow that looks great Saka, Baktria even Pahlava are quit good, Hai has a nice kingom, the AS took Tarsus and Pergamon. Carthag is actually doing something in Iberia. Lusotann took a few setelments, It looks like the Gaullic civil war is nice and crazy. Look at the Sauromate - the stepp lords

[jtareb]

I'm playing as Romani on med/med and I've already noticed a more aggressive ai, especially in using naval landings. In 1.0 I could blitz the carthaginians out of sicily without much trouble--this time they landed two full stacks to protect lilybeaum. The getea also seem to be much more active. And having reached 210 bc the AS and the Ptolemies are still stalemated around lebanon whereas in 1.0 one would have already destroyed the other by then.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

I'm playing as Romani on med/med and I've already noticed a more aggressive ai, especially in using naval landings. In 1.0 I could blitz the carthaginians out of sicily without much trouble--this time they landed two full stacks to protect lilybeaum. The getea also seem to be much more active. And having reached 210 bc the AS and the Ptolemies are still stalemated around lebanon whereas in 1.0 one would have already destroyed the other by then.

Now that sounds absolutely fantastic! Especially the bit about a massive Carthiginian army in Sicily - finally a challenging battle for that island!

[Reality=Chaos]

I don't have pics but I'll give an update on my h/m Getai campaign 256BC. The Saka and the Pahlava are slowly eating up seluekid territory.
Baktria took Kophen but has been queit.
Hayasdan are expanding though for the past few years it has been at a sloths pace.
Saba have taken the southwestern corner of the peninsula
The ptolemies and the seleukids have a big fight going on. No clear winners yet though the grey death took Side from the ptollies. The ptollies have taken the western (libyan) provinces, though they've not taken Cyrene or the little province beneath.
Pontos is at war with epeiros and the seleukids. They've taken Ipsos from the silly's. A couple of years ago the silly's actually conquered (the then eleutheroi Galatia) Pontos has just lost Byzantion to Epeiros.
Makedonia are in a war with KH for southern Greece. They Chalkis, Myrtylene and Korinthos left (pella was taken by epeiros, Demetrias by the KH.
KH war in southern greece. Looks like stalemate at the moment.
Epeiros was on a roll, but they just walked into me. They've just lost Serdike, and an army is underway from Tylis to take Byzantion.
The sauromatae are scary (luckily I'm allied with them, for now at least..) They took Olbia and the neurii provinc in no time and have a lot of half and full stacks walking around.
Rome is doing quite decently. They've taken the peninsula excepting rhegion (and the've not been trying to take it either) And they took massilia.
The quarthadastim are slowly expanding in Africa. Mauretania (the three westernmost provinces in africa), are the only provinces left to the eleutheroi there
The luso's are slowly taking Iberia
In Gaul, the adeui have taken all of western Gaul. The averni have not expanded yet though not for lack of trying.
The Sweboz took their homeprovince except fro norway so far. They are in a rather succesful looking war with the adeui
The casse took Cornwall, and tried to take wales unsuccesfully so far

[gamegeek2]

For the record, these are what I usually saw in 1.0

Romani: Tend to take Italia and not more, maybe spill into Sicily or Green
Epeiros: Takes Pella, Demetrias and loses steam
Maks: Eat the Thracian/Getic homelands and go north
Getai: Go north, usually struggles against Maks
KH: Takes Attike, Peloponnesos, takes Demetrias and Pella from Epeiros
AS: 9/10 times gets Asia Minor, Syria screwed by the Ptollies
Ptollies: See AS.
Pahlava: Confined to warring with Saka for the steppes.
Saka: Fights Pahlava for the steppes, often eaten by Baktria later on
Baktria: Tends to go for Indo-Greco-Iranian provinces, often eats Saka homeland
Casse: Takes its first province about 250.
Aedui: Usually defeat Arverni due to easier rebel access.
Arverni: Struggle versus Aedui, but usually last until about 200.
Lusotanaan: Monopolizes Iberia, slow to break alliance w. Kart-Hadast
Qarthadastim: Take nearby Africa, sissy-fight with Ptolemies over Libya.
Saba: Little better than Casse.
Pontos: Eaten by AS or carves out a niche before the Ptollies stomp 'em
Hayasadan: Heads north instead of south.
Sauromatae: Casse-speed expansion, with the exception of Maeotis.

[Tarkus]

I haven't started a 1.1 campaign yet -- haven't even downloaded the new install -- but after reading this thread I'm struck by the sweeping conclusions people are making ("Faction X much better than before"..."Faction Y doesn't do anything anymore") based on just a few years of playing through a single campaign.

This is a simulation, folks...with each faction's activities subject to the whims of fate (Fortuna?!) over the years AND between replicate campaigns, even played by the same person on the same computer in an iterative fashion. I would think a little more experience collected by our great and enthusiastic community would be warranted before significant conclusions are drawn about the long-term strategic behavior of one or another faction. After all, it's only been four days!!!

:2cents:

[Reality=Chaos]

Still some trends are emerging. And it's all good as far as I'm concerned. Every faction is seriously trying to expand, unlike in 1.0. Some are very unsuccesful so far (like the Casse in my game) but try they do, which didn't happen in 1.0. So far I like the AI expansion. It feels more... I don't know... challenging.

[mini]

and is this with BI.exe or RTW.exe?

As I gather, BI exe gives a better AI?
I got BI, but i always get an install shield error when i put the cd in, so i'm forced to stick with rtw.exe, which installs just fine.

[Reality=Chaos]

Mine is without BI.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

BI is definitely better for naval invasions than R:TW. Any other AI improvements are only marginal.

[The General]

BI is definitely better for naval invasions than R:TW.
There are no naval invasions in RTW.

Or, well, I've never seen one.

[bigmilt16]

Naval invasions are a common occurrence in BI. In my Romani campaign, the carthaginians will invade sicily, corsica, and sardinia when you capture it from them. I've also had the Epirotes and KH invade Italy too. For the first time, I am forced to built and keep up a half-way decent navy to protect myself. The AI also assembles much better armies too (no more skirmisher armies either).

BI is definitely worth trying. It is far more challenging.

[QuintusSertorius]

There are no naval invasions in RTW.

Or, well, I've never seen one.

In my Romani game, the Karthadastim just reinforced Sicily with an additional family member and three decent pike units. Not exactly an invasion, but better than nothing.

[Yabusama's Ghost]

Sab'ryn Campaign 249BC

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/d97680eafd.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

I am using the ALEX.exe had have not interferred using forced diplomacy. "The Grey Death" seems cancelled out by "The Yellow Death", but the Epirius "Pea Green Soupy Sea of Death" seems to be winning in the Balkans :idea2:

[The General]

In my Romani game, the Karthadastim just reinforced Sicily with an additional family member and three decent pike units. Not exactly an invasion, but better than nothing.
Not an invasion. ;)

Afair in vanilla RTW the AI won't land units on foreign soil.

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Maybe it's too early for a serious conclusion but there seems to be a massive trend that the Epirotes are the new winning force of Greece. The Maks got even weaker than they were in 1.0. And that is really sad.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Maybe it's too early for a serious conclusion but there seems to be a massive trend that the Epirotes are the new winning force of Greece. The Maks got even weaker than they were in 1.0. And that is really sad.

Too soon for that conclusion.

Personally I think that Pyhrros is the best general in Greece at the start of the game, and he's giving Epirus an edge. Once Phyrros is dead, the Epirotes probably won't be so effective.

[QuintusSertorius]

In my game, taking Epiros' early Macedonian holdings off them with Force Diplomacy seems to have paralysed them. They're a Macedonian protectorate now, not at war with anyone, and have literally done nothing for the past 20 years. They have two full stacks immobile outside Ambrakia.

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

I have found so far that Macedonia is underpowered and in my experiances so far have been smashed by Eperios and KH at the same time, becuase Epeiros and KH can only go at Macedon.

I mean, in my romani game, I decided to save Macedon by giving them back Thermon and Demetrias (Not with force diplomacy, I just sent a legion, and then gave them the two cities and 100,000 out of my treasury. Also, Epeiros have pella and they are my allies and I ran out of men to take Corinth so I couldn't save them completly in the mainland)

Also, is there no way to make the Averni better? I mean they always get to a bad start, and despite me giving them over 500,000mnai (without cheats) by 230bc, they are still useless, but with full stacks in two cities!

[skuzzy]

http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/4/4/12/f_dumpm_fc1199d.jpg
255BC Romani Campaign

Makedonia is holding their own I would say although Epeiros has stacks pushing everywhere north. Epeiros took Pella, Makedonia took Ambrakia, fair trade? I haven't given cash to either of them and I'm disappointed I expanded into Northern Italy so quickly but the Aedui gave me little choice sending stack after stack against me! Makedonia also decided to run all the way around Illyria with a stack of 4-5 units and attack me for no good reason. A matter fact the only ones to behave are the Carthaginians... go figure. No Punic War for me, only Greco conquest in my future -.-

[General Appo]

Well, I think we can clearly draw the hastened conclusion that Baktria and Pahlava are much more willing to attack the Seleukids in the early game, something that I at least believes to be positive.
The strangest stuff I´ve seen so far is in my Baktria campaign, I´m only at 257 BC and the Romani holds all of Italy, Messana, Syrakousai, Massalia and Segestica. They´re doing better then most human players, even those who just wanna conquer and not sit back and wait for the right year.

[QuintusSertorius]

I have found so far that Macedonia is underpowered and in my experiances so far have been smashed by Eperios and KH at the same time, becuase Epeiros and KH can only go at Macedon.

I mean, in my romani game, I decided to save Macedon by giving them back Thermon and Demetrias (Not with force diplomacy, I just sent a legion, and then gave them the two cities and 100,000 out of my treasury. Also, Epeiros have pella and they are my allies and I ran out of men to take Corinth so I couldn't save them completly in the mainland)

Well, as I said in mine they went from almost total defeat from Epeiros to now dominating Greece and turning Epeiros into their protectorate. I've had to take a few actions to prevent them wiping out Koinon Hellenon now the Epirotes have abstained from any activity whatsoever.

All I did was give them Pella and Demetrius back with Force Diplomacy (and some money a few turns - not a lot either). They then took Tylis all on their own, after Pontos had tried several times, and Serdike after the Getai had similarly failed a few attempts.


Also, is there no way to make the Averni better? I mean they always get to a bad start, and despite me giving them over 500,000mnai (without cheats) by 230bc, they are still useless, but with full stacks in two cities!

I found the same in 1.0, they just aren't as aggressive as the Aedui. I similarly resorted to Force Diplomacy there. Firstly I gave them Galatia after the Seleukids took it. Then I wait for the Aedui to take a few of the rebel cities and FD them to the Arverni to maintain a balance. Along with giving them back their initial settlements the Aedui always seem to take off them.

[VinDic]

Guys, I know this is not the post, but how I can see the whole campaign map without fog?

[Reality=Chaos]

Get the script (the ` an ~ key) then type toggle_fow, and presto it's off. If you want to put it on aagain simply open the script again and type the sama thing again.

[Poggleit]

Well, I think we can clearly draw the hastened conclusion that Baktria and Pahlava are much more willing to attack the Seleukids in the early game, something that I at least believes to be positive.

Yeah, in every game I've played the Pahlavans have attacked the Seleukids on the very first turn.

[Reality=Chaos]

Im y Getai campaign (h/m) There is a massive scrap between the seleukids on the one hand and the pahlava and Saka on the other. The Silly's are very, very slowly losing the scrap as well. Baktria took Kophen and is currently focusing on the eleutheroi (although one army seems to be on it's way to invade the Silly's as well! I like it a lot the new war in the east.

[VinDic]

Get the script (the ` an ~ key) then type toggle_fow, and presto it's off. If you want to put it on aagain simply open the script again and type the sama thing again.

Thanks, but what or where's the an ~ key?...:dizzy2:

[Poggleit]

Thanks, but what or where's the an ~ key?...:dizzy2:

On my keyboard it is above Tab and to the left of 1.

[VinDic]

I find this thread https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=94505...

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

For me console is opened with °. Left of 1 and above Tab.

[Visitor13]

Not an invasion. ;)

Afair in vanilla RTW the AI won't land units on foreign soil.

With RTW.exe I saw Lusotann invade the Carthage-owned Balearic Islands in EB and RTR Platinum.

[Olimpian]

I might have seen an Epirote invasion of Italy in a short KH campaign with 1.1.They lost Taras early-on and around 260BC when I lifted the fow I saw they had Taras again.It could have been a revolt,but they did have a navy in the area...so who knows.I also had some random Ptolie naval actions in 1.0,landing and withdrawing a few units in some locations.So I guess it is possible...just very very rare.

[General Appo]

I´ve seen Carthage landing armies in Sicily, but only in areas controlled by them. Playing as the Sweboz with the Fow off I noticed a Carthaginian fleet with a full stack on it, but the ship just roamed around the Med aimlessly for twnty years until it dissapeared near a pirate fleet, I reckon it got them. Stupid AI.
I´ve also seen KH gather a huge army at Rhodos but only puting it just outside the city, even when they have a fleet nearby that could easily transport it to the mainland. Stupid AI.

[jtareb]

In my romani 1.1 campaign which is at 189bc the ai factions are progressing in a somewhat similar fashion to 1.0 but with a few major exceptions. Carthage will land armies in sicily if you attack them--the strength can vary. I had to face two full stacks which appeared almost out of nowhere. In Spain they had another two full stacks with pikemen as well but once they lost them they did not reinforce and lost all their provinces in spain fairly quickly. The lusotani were not as aggressive as i would have thought probably due to the strength of the rebel cities in spain.

In gaul the aedui were going strong until the sweboz showed up--now they are down to one province(noricum). The averni struggled initially but once I allied with them they began to fight back against the aedui and the sweboz and now hold most of gaul. The sweboz still run amok making a bee-line straight down towards milan and my homeland.

In the balkans there is a stalemate with the eperiotes holding their lands and macedonia and the hellenes still in control of greece. Eperios is fighting the getea with neither side making any progress. Macedonia is held to their asian lands and is involved in a war with the seleucids and Pontos. The seleucids and egypt are currently at war with neither side making any progress against the other.

As far as the east is going from what i can tell the Bactrians are the largest faction.

[QuintusSertorius]

Anyone have any ideas why Epeiros seem to have been paralysed for more than 20 years? I took Pella and Demetrius off them through Force Diplomacy and gave them back to Makedonia, and since they Makedonia made them their protectorate. They're not at war with anyone, either. But they've got two full stacks which haven't moved just sitting outside Ambrakia.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

Anyone have any ideas why Epeiros seem to have been paralysed for more than 20 years? I took Pella and Demetrius off them through Force Diplomacy and gave them back to Makedonia, and since they Makedonia made them their protectorate. They're not at war with anyone, either. But they've got two full stacks which haven't moved just sitting outside Ambrakia.

Well, if they're not at war with anyone, and there's no Elutheroi settlements adjacent to them, it's not surprising that they're inactive, is it?

[QuintusSertorius]

Well, if they're not at war with anyone, and there's no Elutheroi settlements adjacent to them, it's not surprising that they're inactive, is it?

Thermon is sitting temptingly on their southern border, KH and Makedonia ignoring it. They've got more than enough manpower to seize it, too.

[Olimpian]

https://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5839/0000no8.jpg

Experimental Pahlava campaign.It looks like a decent sized army,maybe from Athens,but I have no idea what the KH intended to do with it.Tragically,the next turn,the fleet was gone,probably sunk by the Makedonian one near-by.A shame really....

[MerlinusCDXX]

249 BC; playing as Getai on H/M

https://img182.imageshack.us/img182/6544/getaiaiprogresspz5.jpg

Epeiros gone...my fault
Lusotann gone...huh?
AS holding their own, static in east, losing slowly to Ptol. in west
Baktria expanding a little
Pahlava took 1 settlement off the AS
Makedonia-was doing well in KH war, till they attacked me, now expanding into Asia Minor instead
Ptollies doing well in Asia, static in Africa, slight edge on AS
Qart-Hadast -static
Romani- doing absolutely nada
Casse- expanding slowly
Sweboz- expanding slowly
Aedui- expanding well into Belgic territory, at the expense of the Arverni, look to have the upper hand in civil war
Saby'n- expanding slowly
Hai and Pontos- seeing a little expansion, Hai doing pretty decent considering their dirt poor starting position and early troop quality
Arverni- barely holding the land they have
Saka and Sauromatae- lords of the steppe, I may have to do something about the Sauromatae soon

[Ower]

I noticed to. AS the Release thread promised the stepes have teath now. Especialy the Sauromate. The Saka and Pahlava as well.

[Titus Marcellus Scato]

249 BC; playing as Getai on H/M
Casse- nothin' doing
Saby'n- nothing going on there


A bit unfair of you. They are expanding slowly, as they should. Considering they only start with one city and don't even have good troops (unlike the Saka's superb horse archers), slow starts are to be expected.

[General Appo]

Lusotann gone...huh?

Strange. My guess would be that they triggered Moskon´s army and he wandered around in Luso lands until he killed their last FM. I´ve seen him walk about there defeating army after army for several decades.

[MerlinusCDXX]

A bit unfair of you. They are expanding slowly, as they should. Considering they only start with one city and don't even have good troops (unlike the Saka's superb horse archers), slow starts are to be expected.

oh, my bad, didn't realize they were actually expanding (never played either of them yet, so I'm not familiar with their starting position). will edit.



Strange. My guess would be that they triggered Moskon´s army and he wandered around in Luso lands until he killed their last FM. I´ve seen him walk about there defeating army after army for several decades.

yeah, that's why I was confused about that, since it didn't look like the Qarthies or Arverni had anything to do with it.

[Maion Maroneios]

What's wrong with Moskon's army, btw? I don't seem to know this guy all too well...

[Olaf The Great]

What's wrong with Moskon's army, btw? I don't seem to know this guy all too well...
If someone(usually luso or Carthage rarely a gaul faction) attacks (Numantia?) they are attacked by a fullstack(or two?) of Celtiberian troops, led by Moskon.

This usually overwhelms the attackers, but I've never seen them destroy an entire faction like that

[Bacchus]

How do I play 1.1 under BI?
I have Bi . What else do I do/need?

[Sir Edward]

Anyone have any ideas why Epeiros seem to have been paralysed for more than 20 years? I took Pella and Demetrius off them through Force Diplomacy and gave them back to Makedonia, and since they Makedonia made them their protectorate. They're not at war with anyone, either. But they've got two full stacks which haven't moved just sitting outside Ambrakia.


It may just be me but I noticed if a faction has serious debt issues, large armies and large negatives in cities, with no hope of getting out of debt even with the money script they tend to stop moving armies around all together. Just giving them more money through script doesn't help from what I can tell, the only way is to take out some of the larger armies so the AI can get an economy again. But that is from my nonscientific observations.

Also Sarmatians are scary in my current KH campaign they some how got an army south into asia minor and its patroling the eastern shore of the agean. And it's nice to see AS back to their .7x selves, where they are more of a crumbling empire that still is a power house at the same time.

[Yossarian]

How do I play 1.1 under BI?
I have Bi . What else do I do/need?

You will not find a guide here. Try the unofficial mods forum.

[Dayve]

https://img411.imageshack.us/img411/4720/267bcgg1.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

267BC. I'm Seleukia.

Not much happening yet, will post more when i get home and play again later.

Oh and just FYI - I'm not playing BI.exe or ALEX.exe, just regular RTW 1.5

[Hax]

Dayve, you're a traitor to Seleukos I Nikator's memory! How dare you let Zadrakata, Asaak and Hekatompylos fall into those stinking nomad's wool-filled claws!

[Tyrfingr]

Romani campaign, EB on Alex.exe, VH/H, 262BC:

The arverni is my greatest threat for the moment, constantly throwing armies at me through the Alps. When the Aedui lost Mediolanum, the Arverni rushed Bibracte and the fortified rebel city west of it, thus creating their empire.

AS lost 3-4 of their eastern colonies to the parthians, but retook them and are now going into war with the Sauka Rauka, which by the way has the upper hand on the steppes.

Makedonia and the Koinon Hellenon are conquering cities back and forth from each other, and Eiperos has stopped attacking both independents and neighbours.

I have begun my conquest of Sicilia. Took Libeo from the carthaginians to prevent them from interfering with my conquest of the rest of the island by land.

https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7673/rometwalx20080417150222re5.jpg

[Dayve]

Dayve, you're a traitor to Seleukos I Nikator's memory! How dare you let Zadrakata, Asaak and Hekatompylos fall into those stinking nomad's wool-filled claws!

There was nothing to be done. War on 3 fronts is difficult. I gathered an army to take back one of the cities, hired light mercenary archer-spearmen, but was beaten back by the mountain axemen fighting under the Pahlava axemen. The battered army retreated to defend another city and its important mine from the Pahlava but it was hopeless. Poorly trained Pantapadoi, poor morale, vs. Pahlavan archers, horsemen and mountain men... 'twas a massacre.

However, we have not let them go for good. An army is being raised as we speak, heavy on the awesome Caucasian archers. The empire as it was will be once again, and perhaps even a little bigger than before?

[DaCrAzYmOfO]

Sauromatae and casse are actually doing something now. Joy.

Im playing M/vh camp, and so far i have knoticed that like others said, the steppe has finally begun to attack. crazy sauromatae have taken callatis, and as epeiros, i will probably have to fight them soon.

Everyone else is the same, especially aedui and arverni, save for the fact that the aedui are getting attacked in mediolanum by the romans.

great thing that the ai are actually doing something now lol :2thumbsup:

[anubis88]

Strange. My guess would be that they triggered Moskon´s army and he wandered around in Luso lands until he killed their last FM. I´ve seen him walk about there defeating army after army for several decades.
Something like this happened in my Carthaginian campaign in 1.0. The Lusotana attacked me with a full stack army, with 4 FMs. Once the battle was won, the lusotanians were destroyed, despite having 3 cities left!
I guess the Lusotannan women were REALLY ugly:laugh4:

[Dayve]

https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2176/263bcbn7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

263, h/m, Seleukia, rtw.exe.

Still not much happening.

What's with Hekatompylos? Population: under 600. My army: 2000+. Loyalty in Hekatompylos? 0.

[Hax]

Distance to Capital?

[Dayve]

Distance to Capital?

Definately not... My eastern-most provinces all have between 3-8 thousand population (i've been purposely building them up for when the time comes to harvest the riches of the far-east) and only one of them has a governor, and even he only has 1 influence wreath.

Their loyalty is at least 75%, and that's with high and very high taxes.

[Sdragon]

Whats the unrest level? Probably chocked full of enemy spies. Either that or you have an incompitent govenor.

[Hax]

Yep, could be either. Governor really screws things up, or spies. Was just about to say that.

DAMN YOU SDRAGON!

[mlp071]

1.1 Baktria campaign(VH/M) so far, stayed away from former provinces till 232, so Pahlava ,AS and Saka are slugging each other over it:


260

https://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/mlp071/260Baktria.jpg


250

https://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/mlp071/250baktria.jpg


240

https://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/mlp071/240baktria.jpg


230:

https://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/mlp071/230Baktria.jpg

Got most of the AS cities by managing to rebel them with 2 spies and 1 assasin, then taking them(example Persepolis in 250 pic).

Need 4 more provinces on North, so i have to face Saka tanks now.

My Prodromoi did grunt work against Pahlava Kata's.It took me 8 years of fighting with them.But they left me fully developed cities.

Only one that is asleep is Getai.

[Dooz]

I'm loving that AI action mlp.

One thing that particularly caught my eye was the Puno-Iberian wars. By 250, Carthage had almost half the peninsula, but as time went on, the Iberians united the rest of the northern tribes, and with their power consolidated, worked at taking back the southern half from Carthage. And it worked! As it stands now, they've pushed them all the way back down to just the southern coast. Good stuff.

[mlp071]

I'm loving that AI action mlp.

One thing that particularly caught my eye was the Puno-Iberian wars. By 250, Carthage had almost half the peninsula, but as time went on, the Iberians united the rest of the northern tribes, and with their power consolidated, worked at taking back the southern half from Carthage. And it worked! As it stands now, they've pushed them all the way back down to just the southern coast. Good stuff.


Yeah, Lusotanons are sieging those leftover southern Punic towns.

Sadly Pontus went other way, after promising start, they got stomped by AS:furious3:AS appears to be moving all of their forces towards me , so maybe that will give them breathing room.

Pahlava had their reform units and full contingent of their best Kata's before they went down , so that was really nice to see. I had some battles where they fielded up to 10 Kata's in addition to infantry.

+++ EDIT: I just noticed that Pontus actually landed stack in Chersonesos by sea(gotta love BI.exe). I am impressed now with 1.1 so far:beam:

[gamegeek2]

Hey, at least the Sauromatae are doing better!

[Dooz]

I'm about 20 years into a Roman campaign right now, been taking pics of the map every 5 years but I can't post them yet as I haven't been looking with the fow off. I want to do it the old fashioned way and preserve the mystery a bit, having to use spies and all that fun stuff to figure out what's going on and what the strengths are of mine enemies. Once I'm done or something changes, I'll have all those maps up and see it for the first time myself!

[Visitor13]

Anyone here playing a campaign in which the Saba actually try to conquer all the coastal rebel provinces before they head for Ptolie territory, like they used to in 1.0? So far they seem to take the first province to the east of their starting position and head west/north west from there.

[Voice]

https://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7879/baktriazf9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Baktria M/M 235BC no interference by me toward other factions, started rtw.exe, changed to bi only around 238

Should mention epeiros was cleaned up by maks after a good start, now only have 2 cities full of leftover elites/locals (and pontos has 2 stacks near byzantion)

Also, after switching to bi the maks have landed and seiged kydonia :yes:

[Midnj]

https://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2176/263bcbn7.jpg (https://imageshack.us)

263, h/m, Seleukia, rtw.exe.

Still not much happening.

What's with Hekatompylos? Population: under 600. My army: 2000+. Loyalty in Hekatompylos? 0.

Interloper trait in type 4 gov?

That gives up to 45% unrest.

[Ayce]

https://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7879/baktriazf9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Baktria M/M 235BC no interference by me toward other factions, started rtw.exe, changed to bi only around 238

Should mention epeiros was cleaned up by maks after a good start, now only have 2 cities full of leftover elites/locals (and pontos has 2 stacks near byzantion)

Also, after switching to bi the maks have landed and seiged kydonia :yes:

Maks prevailing and KH becoming the Kingdom of Karia isn't something you usually see in 1.1

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

https://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7879/baktriazf9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Very cool AI development. First time (!) I see a really cool Makedonian hegemony even on the far side of the Aigaion. Also the Romans, Pahlava, Armenia, Getai, Lusos and the Sweboz deserve an honourable mention.

Edit: Voice, I saw you voted for Medium campaign difficulty in my inquiry and I see you played this on medium too. What armies are fielded by the AI? Full stacks or three-unit-stacks? Are the AI-factions weaklings against you or do they put up a fight?

[Tyrfingr]

Romani campaign, EB on Alex.exe, VH/H

262BC (previous update)
https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7673/rometwalx20080417150222re5.jpg

252BC
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8435/rometwalx20080423004449va6.jpg

The arverni became too much of a threat, and I crossed the Alps to secure Viennos and Massalia to established easier controlled borders. Ended up taking Tolosa and Gergovia, effectively crippling the short-lived Arverni empire. I also steamrolled the rebels in Aventicos in the progress.

Otherwise quiet on the west front, Iberia has seen a couple attempts on their rebel cities, usually with the carthaginians besieging Arse and the Lusotannan besieging Numantia. No success so far...

One word needed to describe Hellas: Stalemate! Come to think of it, I believe Epirus, Makedonia and KH are all neutral with each other.

AS lost two eastern colonies, one rebelled and was taken by the Pahlava, and the other colony snatched by Saka Rauka. Baktra honoured their alliance with AS and took Sülek from the Saka Raukans, just after they conquered the rebel settlement in between.

The loss of eastern colonies have not hindered the AS, they kicked out the Ptolies from Anatolia and conquered the two rebel settlemens east of Haysdan, which by the way lost Kotais to the Sarmatians. The sarmations took Trapz-bla-bla, which I have never seen before. Meanwhile in the Anatolia, Pontos have woke up from their beauty sleep and is currently fighting AS for the title "Ruler of Modern Turkey".

[chairman]

Looks like the Sarmations wanted to show that they could outdo their predeccessors, the Scythians, in an invasion of the middle east. Can't wait to see whether they actually get around to conquering Mesopotamia or not.

Chairman

[Voice]

Very cool AI development. First time (!) I see a really cool Makedonian hegemony even on the far side of the Aigaion. Also the Romans, Pahlava, Armenia, Getai, Lusos and the Sweboz deserve an honourable mention.

Edit: Voice, I saw you voted for Medium campaign difficulty in my inquiry and I see you played this on medium too. What armies are fielded by the AI? Full stacks or three-unit-stacks? Are the AI-factions weaklings against you or do they put up a fight?


Well at the moment ive got 3 sele stacks at about 15 units each moving in to assault Baktra
Getia have 3 fullstacks standing around 1 settlement
Epeiros have both remaining cities full
Romani have a 3/4 stack moving to sicily and a couple half stacks in the north east.
Maks have half and 3/4 stacks all along northern border
Sweboz pushing every direction with good sized stacks
i think the only faction with less than half stacks are the sauro

Forgot to say they are not just stacks of cheap levies or similar, but arent full of factional elites either

[Pezlu]

https://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7879/baktriazf9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Baktria M/M 235BC no interference by me toward other factions, started rtw.exe, changed to bi only around 238

Should mention epeiros was cleaned up by maks after a good start, now only have 2 cities full of leftover elites/locals (and pontos has 2 stacks near byzantion)

Also, after switching to bi the maks have landed and seiged kydonia :yes:
uh? no interference by you? how did the saka die then? ~:confused:

[Voice]

lol well besides saka theres been no interference :sweatdrop:

[Olimpian]

AI progression in 1.1 is much better than in 1.0.The Eastern War seems to be raging in everyone's campaign :duel: and those steppes finally count :charge: Great work EB team !!! :2thumbsup:

[hrrypttrbst]

yes there you say something, because with me the AS is kicking the ptolemai back to their deserts and are winning against other factions to!!I did never see this before!So is it not strange?!

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

That sounds nice Voice. Mmmh. Isn't it too easy on Medium?

[Olimpian]

Not if you play with historical,balanced armies(no uber-all-elites)and limit the number of men you field(only a state army comprosed of a few stacks,and some regional ones).I also think it's better for roleplaying,and you don't have to fight endless stacks.So battles become more decisive,like they were in history.

[Voice]

I chose med for baktria because it was the first time i had chosen a far eastern faction :embarassed:

ive also got a h/m casse and vh/m romani in progress too

and that poll you mentioned before, i misread it for battle difficulty:oops:

[Tyrfingr]

Romani campaign, EB on Alex.exe, VH/H

262BC
https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7673/rometwalx20080417150222re5.jpg

252BC (previous update)
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8435/rometwalx20080423004449va6.jpg

242BC
https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4056/rometwalx20080424194232oo4.jpg

The stinking gauls are history. Tired of the puke-green Arverni in 248BC, I took their two remaining cities, made a "Caivs Gallivs" out of Caivs Avrelivs Cotta. The aedui marched two full-stacked armies along our borders, Caivus Gallivus made a fort, got besieged, kicked the aeduis butts and took their two only cities. End of the Gauls. I also sent an army through Illyria and conquered Dalmininion and Segestica. I'm currenly waiting for the Polybian reforms to happen before I attack any other faction.

Makedonia and KH are constantly attacking each other, staging sieges after sieges. Makedonia eventually managed to take Korinthos back and after numerous attempts finally captured Pergamon. KH has also got two new additions, Trapz-bla-bla and Karia who both rebelled from their former masters.

AS is still incredibly strong, and are managing all of their fronts pretty well. In the east, they have retaken all of their settlements from Pahvala, which by the way is down to one besieged (by AS of course) settlement.

Saka Rauka have taken back one settlement from Baktria, and also conquered the rebel settlement separating them from the sarmatians. Battle surely awaits the steppe factions. The Sarmatians have conquered one of the Crimean cities.

On the Iberian peninsula, heavy fighting between the Lusotanni and carthaginians have taken place, with neither gaining any real upper hand. The Lusotanni captured one city from the carthaginians, which was immediatly taken back. The carthaginians have also taken Cyrene from the ptolies.

[Spooky32]

Romani Campaign Alex.exe VH/M 215BC


https://img137.imageshack.us/img137/5987/rometwalx20080425115116ba9.jpg

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Wow, very rarely do you see an AI faction go from almost one side of the map to the other. I think two provinces (one on each side) could make them link up both sides of the map.

[General Appo]

Damn, that´s one big Yellow Death. And yeah, just two regions to go before they´ve united the entire map. Man, I do not envy you when you have to fight them.

[Spooky32]

Its got worse.
Dont ask me what the Lusitanians are doing they just drove straight through gaul splitting it in halve. Hopefully i can take iberia and isolate them there. i have no idea what four factions in that proximity with no where to expand is going to do.

https://img169.imageshack.us/img169/760/rometwalx20080425213451kk2.jpg

[Pezlu]

Wow, that's one of the most interesting AI expansions I ever saw!

I also see the AS managed to survive by escaping in India :P

[alatar]

Wow, Ptomely wants to out do alexander, just the hellas and the homeland and they have Alexanders empire and more.

I suggest you build defencive armies to defend greece from the Yellow Death.

Then take Iberia and Gaul (the four factions will attack each other).
Then you have enough money to start to fight, though if you were in a dangerous mood, you could gift some iberian provinces to the Yellow death. As it is alex they may attack anyway.

[Spooky32]

The epeirots own byzantium and the gateway to the asia minor, its all they own. i have three legions on border defence with the Getai.

Of all the epansion the only factional casualty has been pontus who stupidly fought the maks to the west of them and were caught unaware by the ptoleys to the east.

For Logistical reasons im going to need the Marian reform to deal with the juggernaught

[woad&fangs]

Spooky32, any chance you could upload that save game so the rest of us can take on the Ptolemys and the full stacks of panzers that they have obviously been using.:beam:

[clibanarii immortal]

gah! they completed my goal for my hayasdan v1.0 campaign before I did

[Ayce]

I just started a campaign (266 BC), guess which faction:

https://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8181/dauro1mh9.png

Europe detailed:

https://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3981/dauro2ap2.png

Casse heroic victory (the AI managed that???):

https://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2097/dauro3in2.png

[Pezlu]

What?! Sauromatae in Illirya? :laugh4:

I must admit it took me a while to find out the "missing faction" :P

Any more details about the campaign? It seems interesting!

[Ayce]

See the save game thread (or my sig for details).

As for the journey:

- Take the Chersonessos

- Build fleet

- Scout and bribe any armies besieging Dalminion

- Sail to Illyria

- Land

- Attack

- Set capital to Dalminion

- Use add_population 1700 to Dalminion

- Very High taxes to original cities

- Original cities revolt

- All this time using add_money, auto_win to survive

- Return to a normal scenario situation

[Reverend Joe]

Aren't the units kinda mismatched? :dizzy2: I mean, couldn't you use the KH or someone with a more similar recruitment roster?

[Olaf The Great]

Aren't the units kinda mismatched? :dizzy2: I mean, couldn't you use the KH or someone with a more similar recruitment roster?
Sarmatia seems to be the perfect choice really.

1-No one cares about Sarmatia
2-Ilyria has a pretty nice roster and access to lots of mercs.
3-No one cares about Sarmatia
4-Sarmatia usually becomes stagnant and bankrupt in the homelands.
5-Illryia is cool
6-See 1 and 4


Ok, actually the Sauromatae are awesome, its just that they usually stagnate and keep pwned the Armenians.

[Spooky32]

Oh Dear!

https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2808/rometwalx20080427115135nn0.jpg

[Visitor13]

'Oh dear' is right...

Is that the remnant of Carthage down there in Gaetulia?

[General Appo]

That´s got the be the first transglobal (or well, trans EB map) AI faction I´ve ever seen. Incredible, and it´s only 190 BC.

[Olaf The Great]

This is the first time -ever- I have seen the Arche fall.
And by an AI faction at that.

[alatar]

Knowing the AI their next targets will be india, maybe the rest of africa, and you

[Ayce]

Ptolemy in your campaign = Alexander reborn (for the AI)

[Spooky32]

Things arent going to well in Gaul either the Averni have been wiped out by the Lusitanians and the Aedui are down to two settlements one is under sige by the Lusitanians.

There has been a bit of a revival for the Karth-Hadast some settlements have rebelled back to them but its just delaying the inevitable.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

It's funny they've gone east to west across the whole map but haven't managed to hold onto Axum yet.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Oh Dear!

https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2808/rometwalx20080427115135nn0.jpg


The size of the Ptolemaic Empire .. well .. :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop: :jawdrop:




Good luck with them :skull:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Oh Dear!

https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2808/rometwalx20080427115135nn0.jpg
They're almost as big as the Abbasid caliphate...:hanged:

[The Celt]

@Leviathan DarklyCute:Took the words right out of my mouth! Damn!Better keep a spiked-glove hold on Spain if you want Al-Andalus to be avoided.
What do their armies look like anyway Spooky? Because I'm pretty sure that full stacks of Pantodapoi and Akonsistai couldn't do this!
:egypt:

[Lovejoy]

Sweet jesus!

I recommend you to attack soon! before they get even more powerful! If i was you I would first attack old carthage and quickly take africa. At pretty much the same time I would land stacks in modern israel.

then i would attack egypt from two directions.

soon after that i would start to move stacks into modern turkey.

anyway, good luck!

it would be nice if you wanted to upload a save-file from that game! :D

[Spooky32]

I have various saves from differrent points in the campiagn i'll up load them at some point.

currently a number of cities have rebelled back to carthage with some armies fileding silver chevron and silver upgrade elephants!.

[Olaf The Great]

Right now my only suggestion is to destroy Gaul, Germania, briton and everything in europe, build it up, then make several "Perfect AOR armies" and split them down the middle,
and if that doesn't work and they start conquering territory, it'll be EB history.
Just imagine a player character escapes his Empire and takes refuge in Britain because the Ptoleys conquered everything
Oh and http://www.truthnet.org/islam/Islam-Bible/2thequran/Islam_map.jpg

[Fish-got-a-Sniper]

I would suggest keeping one save just so you can see how big they get and on another save play as normal.

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

And upload your save so we can try too!:knight:
BTW are you using any mods in your game? (playing on ALX maybe?)

[Pezlu]

OMG!!!

You know Spooky... that's... that's spooky! (ok sorry :shame: )

And you have to KILL THEM ALL!!! to win the campaign... niiiiice...

[Hax]

Destroy or outlast

[General Appo]

Yeah, like the Saka-Rauka is going to kill them off. Could you tell us what their diplomatic relations are? I´m guessing they´re at war with the Sab´yn, in which case I doubt they´ll last much longer. Really, I don´t think any faction will last long once that juggernaut decides to crush it unders its mighty feet.

[The General]

Oh Dear!

https://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2808/rometwalx20080427115135nn0.jpg
o.o

In my games (in 1.1), Seleukids have been stronger than before, not weaker.

[hrrypttrbst]

yes,with me to.Now the AS is kicking the ptolemai

[Ayce]

Meh, they just got very lucky. (the Ptolies)

[Mediolanicus]

KH Campaign
M/M with BI

262
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/mapgreece262.jpg

252
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/mapgreece252.jpg

Pretty much every faction is doing well.
Except Macedon, that is. It was either them or me.
Audui had he bad start, but are recovering. It will be a good fight for gaul between the two tribes, unless the Romans take Insubramrog.
The Sauro's held the whole northern Caucasus at some point, but the Hai split them in two.
Epeiros has been allied to me from the start, but they recently attacked me (I'm in 246 by now). I'm also getting regular attacks by Pontos on Byzantium and on Helicarnassos by the Seleucids.

Edit : it's not very clear, but I hold Syracuse (and Messana too by now)

[konny]

https://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6118/220an3.png

220 BC
Human player: Romani

In most parts "business as usual", save for Asia Minor: After beeing pushed out from Greece Makedonia made her most glorious return as Lesbian Kingdom and has now wiped out Pontos and thrown the Seleukids out of all of Asia Minor. There seems to be a real Diadoch War ahead with four factions (including Epeiros).

[Voice]

Previous update
https://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7879/baktriazf9.png (https://imageshack.us)

Baktria M/M 235BC no interference by me toward other factions, started rtw.exe, changed to bi only around 238

Should mention epeiros was cleaned up by maks after a good start, now only have 2 cities full of leftover elites/locals (and pontos has 2 stacks near byzantion)

Also, after switching to bi the maks have landed and seiged kydonia :yes:
210
https://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6316/baktria210dq2.png (https://imageshack.us)

https://img530.imageshack.us/img530/954/bitransportsqo9.png (https://imageshack.us)
:laugh4: Loving BI ^^

Slowly making ground against the Sele's and moving into Indian territories, still allied to pahlava since day 1

Pahlava losing/taking territories with Sauro all the time and slowly losing ground to Sele's

Hai are strong , holding their recently taken territories, but seem uninterested in expanding

Pontos ignoring everything else except Mak settlements in Asia minor

Ptollies only seem interested with Sab' Yn who are always sending stacks north, though there is a half stack of Ptollies seiging Kydonia :dizzy2:

KH still hanging in with a couple cities revolting to their ownership

Maks have blitzed poor Getai who have been destroyed and are now focusing on Sweboz to the northwest, Sauro to the northeast and Pontos in Asia minor (yes they are attacking basically everyone they can ... and winning :sweatdrop: )

Romani slowly falling apart since the Carthies landed(!) and took Capua(!), they have a full stack of polybian and allied elites in Roma and Arpi to hold off Carthies who actually have alot of units in Capua, maybe from continued landings?(i have no idea)

Carthies, as above, have invaded mainland Italy, secured all Sicily and are pushing their way through southern France. Carthies and Luso's were allied untill Luso's betrayed them and took Gader. So now the Carthies are sieging Numantia and have a fullstack (in screenshot) heading to retake Gader

Arverni/Aedui are fading powers, offering minimal resistance and petty skirmishes against each other and should have been destroyed years ago if not for Sweboz fighting Maks, Romani fighting Carthies and Luso's fighting Carthies

Casse took a few territories but have stagnated :thumbsdown:

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Wow! I really like that expansion in Konny and Voice's campaigns. It shows that Macedonia really doesn't need that much help - folks who say they are wiped out in every campaign are just selectively viewing these things. That Mak Anatolia is just awesome and the Mak blitz in Voice's is very interesting too. Parthians were doing well in Voice's too till he stopped them. And I like that KH is still hanging around in multiple places in Voice's also. Carthage in Voice's is great too!

[konny]

Yes, that is first of all for the survival of Makedonia in Greece. They are usually not able to hold themselves in Pella, but really have a good starting position in Asia.

I think if we would rename the faction "Epeiros" into "Aeikides" and "Makedonia" into "Antigonides" (not ment as a serious suggestion) no one would be complaining, because Makedonia does not disspear it simply changes from one ruling hellenic family to the other, while the former rulers of Makedonia create themselves a new Successor Kingdom in Asia.

[Lovejoy]

~255BC (cant remember)
http://pici.se/pictures/klZXwxzOW.jpg

244BC
http://pici.se/pictures/xCtaSqCyu.jpg

I just conquerd those pavhlan settlements. They declared war on me after many years of peace. After taking their homeland provinces I forced them to ally with me and to give me 1000mnai for 25 turns (I love force diplomacy :2thumbsup: )

Right now I'm building up my cities and preparing an army. The Selues should be afraid!

Mac and Epeiros seems evenly matched. KH is still around, holding two provinces, Rhodes and Lesbos. :P

Both the romans and Carthage are massing in Sicily. Soon the Punic war should start.. I hope for carthago to win! :yes:

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Really cool Mak expansion konny and Voice, though seldom.:grin:

[The General]

220 BC
Human player: Romani

In most parts "business as usual", save for Asia Minor: After beeing pushed out from Greece Makedonia made her most glorious return as Lesbian Kingdom and has now wiped out Pontos and thrown the Seleukids out of all of Asia Minor. There seems to be a real Diadoch War ahead with four factions (including Epeiros).
I'm probably just tired, but I lol'd.

[konny]

:beam:

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Lesbian Kingdom
Epic win:toff:

[Mediolanicus]

Lesbian Kingdom

I'm probably just tired, but I lol'd.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7376919.stm :book:

[QuintusSertorius]

Given how much I've been mucking around with the finances, holdings and now even armies of the AI, I doubt my game counts for much. Epeiros have gone to sleep after I used Force Diplomacy to take everything they'd taken off Makedonia off them.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7376919.stm :book:

Hope the lesbians win .. eem .. you know .. not the lesbians but the lesbians .. oh well ... the people from Lesbos should win .. this is confusing :dizzy2:

[The General]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7376919.stm :book:
Heh.

Though, I wonder, how is it with other languages?

In Finnish, we got two terms:
Lesbo = A lesbian woman
Lesboslainen = A person from Lesbos

Ehrm, *remembers thread's original topic*
Maaaybe we don't need to have this conversation here. 8p

Btw, out of interest, how did one got about deleting one's messages?

[Olaf The Great]

Hope the lesbians win .. eem .. you know .. not the lesbians but the lesbians .. oh well ... the people from Lesbos should win .. this is confusing :dizzy2:
Just imagine if gay women were called "Sappho's", then the Greek Women named Sappho would revolt :(

[Leviathan DarklyCute]

Just imagine if gay women were called "Sappho's", then the Greek Women named Sappho would revolt :(
That's exactly the point~:rolleyes: But enough with that:focus:

[PershsNhpios]

ARVERNI CAMPAIGN 251BC (1058 mnai) M/M Difficulty.

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/5/4/f_EB1m_d696eaa.png (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/4/f_EB1m_d696eaa.png&srv=img33)
My campaigns are so damned lazy until 210 BC!

The Romani may look extremely disappointing - however, I have had Rhegion and Taras rebel constantly.
And it is remarkable to note, that they took Patavium, Segesta, Segestica, Dalminion and Massalia in less than a year.

Yes, that is why they are, (Hopefully), going to be pacified by this coming autumn.

Apart from that, there isn't anything greatly interesting yet.
The Sweboz scare me, they gained 5 provinces in 2 years, and have 4 full stacks.

But this is my best campaign in Total War completely, I destroyed the Aedui in 271! Ha! I overcame my fears of debt and beat them to death without losing more than 500 men, and then proceeded to take all of Gaul whilst fighting a silent, unofficial war with young Roma.

[QuintusSertorius]

That's a blandly uniform army you've got there, Glenn.

[Ravenfeeder]

Romani H/M BI.exe
Selukids can't manage a war on two fronts. When they concentrate on one the other loses fast. The Sauromatae expansion is unexpected. The Spartans looked dead and buried but are having a resurgance. Pontos is expanding but will be caught between the Black Death and the Yellow Fever.

270bc
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t31/ravenfeeder21/romani270.jpg

260bc
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t31/ravenfeeder21/romani260.jpg

250bc
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t31/ravenfeeder21/romani250.jpg

240bc
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t31/ravenfeeder21/romani240.jpg

[PershsNhpios]

No more uniform than a Marian formation really, I haven't got a great choice of units in my settlements, as I've been paying all my attention to expansion - and those swordsmen beat Lugoae, which are my only other option.

So I use my swordsmen like good cohorts, my family members are playing the role of otherwise too expensive cavalry, and the Solduros were added for a good solid base of power - and because I could afford them.

The stack following the main is 6 units of Lugoae for garrison control of my new acquisitions.

The northern stack, ensuring that Roman army doesn't stab me in the back, is far more varied - though slightly depleted - and no doubt would be easier on your eyes, Quintus Sertorius.

[QuintusSertorius]

Surely you must find a use for Iaosatae, they're pretty good as slingers go (especially for whittling the enemy down before the lines close, or during sieges). I've always gotten good results from Curepos as well - not for frontal charges mind, but clearing up routing enemies. Gaeroas/Gaelaiche are good flank-coverers too (or even better Celto-Hellenic Spearmen, cheap but solid). Aren't all those swordsmen a bit slow when it comes to mopping up at the end of a battle?

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Cool Mak & Steppe-progression, Ravenfeeder.

[PershsNhpios]

No, Curepos would simply be unneccessary when I have about 5 free family members surrounded by Brihentin, and they are my cavalry, usually creating the first great rout and thereon slaughtering all the escapees.

As for flankers, they are rarely needed, unless the AI has good cavalry - which Roma holds nothing of the like - two full stacks are in Pannonia, and they have one unit of depleted Extraordinarii between them.

You are right, I see you point of course - but I don't pick and choose varied armies until I have time to sit back and plan.

At the moment, I have to tie Rome's hands, and create fortifications on the Pyrenees - and only then will I be safe to plot.


But thank you for noticing! I'll let everyone return to the topic now.. --

((Now the page has loaded correctly - I admire your Parthia, Ravenfeeder, and most particularly - I admired Makedona before you attacked them - in fact, you may have convinced me to try BI again.))

[Voice]

Previous updates

235
https://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7879/baktriazf9.png (https://imageshack.us)
210
https://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6316/baktria210dq2.png (https://imageshack.us)

195
https://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7088/195bcqs2.png (https://imageshack.us)

Carthies showing their dominance in west with almost all Iberia taken aided by a stream of naval reinforcements, which are now landing around Massalia and moving north and east

Arverni/Aedui still holding out, Aedui having some Mak regions rebel to them before being destroyed;
Casse still stagnant

Sweboz been cut in two by the steamrolling Maks and seem to be on the defensive with a lot of full stack settlements

Romani actually very strong despite losing ground to Carthies, many full stack polybians around northern Italy

Poor KH somehow still holding on despite constant attacks against Rhodos, also having Chersonesos, Emporion and Syrakousai rebel in their favour within a few years. Almost took all Sicily in one year but were beaten back by Cart naval landing.

Makedonia ... Must have a total of ~20 full stacks from Asia minor to the Baltic sea, beating all enemies in their rather unusual path. Also taking advantage of the reformed phalanx they currently are clearing Pontic territories, putting down Aedui revolt and sieging a couple Sweboz settlements.. havent bothered with Romani or Sele's yet (being allied to them might make the difference, maybe)

Sauro declining though they still have a lot of nobles and FM's to be dealt with

Pontos holding remaining territory against Maks with full stacks in cities, yet are still losing

Hai taking advantage of the weakening Sele's along with Ptollies, Pahlava and myself. Also attacking Pontos and have several full stacks roaming around wherever they are needed.

Sele's, having been focusing more on the western enemies have lost a lot of ground mainly (if not only) to myself. Surprised me with 2 full stacks including Hyspatistia(sp) and other elites, retaking Babylon/Seleukia, and then running back to western side, leaving the cities virtually undefended again

Ptollies, besides fighting a stalemate war with Sele's have sent a few stacks Carthage's way to no avail. Defending against Saba constantly

Saba sending the best they can against Ptollies, with one emerging around Seleukia and roaming up and down the border

Pahlava has become tied down endlessly trying to take Sele controlled Hekatmopylos, which has really drained their army to the extent that they only have a couple of 5-6 unit stacks in all their territory, with minimum garrisons in all settlements.

As for myself, recently finished taking Indian regions after underestimating them half a decade earlier. Factional and regional armys pushing all the way to Arbela until both armies were severely depleted, taking advantage of weakened Sele's and a couple slaughtering bridge battles. Now have the Indo-hellenic army and factional army returning to Baktra to begin attack on Pahlava.

[Spooky32]

176BC




https://img178.imageshack.us/img178/7697/92292898ue9.jpg

[Hax]

Dear lord.

Lusotannan...

[Tyrfingr]

That is, indeed, spooky...

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Voice,

Makedonia in Denmark? Wow.

[alatar]

Look at that Lusties...

[Irishmafia2020]

@ Voice - Wow.... Greeks in India and Greeks in Scandanavia.... We would all be speaking Greek rather than Latin based languages if such had happened!

[Teleklos Archelaou]

AI Macedonians in Denmark, AI Lusotanians in all Gaul and parts of Germany, and in another pushed back into extreme NW Iberia alone, AI Saka totally out of their homelands but still with an empire. I love all that variation!

[Roy1991]

Hayasdan, 196BC:

https://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3906/hayasdanmi8.png


Looks like I won't get to fight the Romans :no:

[Atanamir]

Hayasdan, 196BC:

https://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3906/hayasdanmi8.png


Looks like I won't get to fight the Romans :no:

I have question for you..

did you menage march of time reform??

did your bodyguards change??

:sweatdrop: sorry for my bad English :sweatdrop:

[Tyrfingr]

Romani campaign, EB on Alex.exe, VH/H

262BC
https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7673/rometwalx20080417150222re5.jpg

252BC
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8435/rometwalx20080423004449va6.jpg

242BC (previous update)
https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4056/rometwalx20080424194232oo4.jpg

232BC
https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6100/rometwalx20080506122138pl7.jpg

The turn after my last update I got the Polybian reforms and started to recruit new armies to send to the fronts, and my first target was Iberia. The Lusotana had just kicked the carthaginians out, and when I conquered Emporion and Vellinka, they made the foolish decision to attack me. Two half-stacked Camillian armies in northern Iberia and two fully-stacked Polybian armies on the way, the Iberians fell like leaves. Gader rebelled to the carthaginians after my conquest from the lusotana, thus becoming the start of my second punic war. When the carthaginians lost the Iberian peninsula, they diverted their efforts towards Egypt and now share borders with AS.

In Illyria and northern Italy, I raised two armies. My Illyrian Army (consisting of only illyrians + FM) conquering all rebel lands between me and the Getai and the second army actually conquering Noricum. I sneaked in 3-4 spies in the city and ran for it, leaving Sartres out in the wilderness. He's still there, and I'm raising a new army to get rid of him.

At Taras, I have raised an army waiting for the fleet to take them to Epeirus. The ongoing war between KH, Makedonia and Epeirus have drained them of troops and money. My Illyrian army is marching south, ready to attack Pella as soon as my army from Taras lands at Ambrakia.

AS are still incredibly strong, advancing well into Egypt and have just conquered Byzantium. They also have Pontos in a chokehold, and I expect Pontos to be defeat very soon. They have also conquered the KH-kingdoms of Karia and Trapz-bla-bla. They have only started to loose some ground in the east, as Baktria declared AS war. Baktria is high on bloodlust, as they have the Saka Rauka on the run.

Hayasdan got pissed off with the Sarmatians, and took two HA armies north and is currently taking settlements from them (only to have the settlements rebel back to the sarmatians).

[PershsNhpios]

I pity Pontos! They were doing so well!

The Seleukids are fearsomely advanced for so early in the game.
As are the Carthaginians!

I would really love to see a Casse Invasion soon!

(Not in my campaign!)

[PershsNhpios]

ARVERNI M/M 248 B.C.

http://img33.picoodle.com/img/img33/4/5/8/f_EB2m_c9d6181.png (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/8/f_EB2m_c9d6181.png&srv=img33)

Well, it's finally come to this. Segestica at last.
By the end of 250 BC I had all Roman territory excepting Segestica, Arpi and Massalia.
However, a terrible defeat caused by my laziness in relying on cheap mercenaries cost me some turns near Massalia.

But one will notice the difference in the experience of my Bataroas, who have been through seven large battles with the Romani, conquered Bononia, Segesta, Arretium, Ariminum, Roma, Capua, and Massalia and never lost a single battle.

They will remain as the guardians of the new Italian provinces when this is all over.
My 6 star general will go and secure the Pyrenees.

However, I will not destroy the Romans.
I consider it far more amusing, rather than smiting them with my power, to let them be conquered and surrounded by those who were once their sub-ordinates.
And so I will take Segestica, award it to the Koinon Hellenon, and allow a Romano-Illyrian civilisation to develop.

Who knows, perhaps it will conquer Hellas one day.

As for southern Italy, those radical rascals the Carthaginians are already parading around Capua with the idea of taking it - before they even control Sicily!
For this reason I shall give Rhegion to the Koinon Hellenon also, and become their firm ally, and just south of Capua I will fortify my veteran force - instead of in Patavium where I had planned.

As for the rest of the world;

The Lusotanann are going to be unofficially declared war upon by myself as I attempt soon to take the Pyrenees, I must keep their settlements rebelling until I can create a shield out of that range of mountains.
They are progressing steadily, because after being attacked by Moskon, they were allowed to continue besieging Numantia - and Moskon went down to pummel Carthaginians near Mastia instead.
They aren't as powerful as they usually are, thank god.

Karthago is always so terribly slow to start in all my campaigns, unlike what I see everywhere else.
But this is another opportune thing for me - as I am now the ultimate object of any conquest they may attempt - save Aegyptus.
They have a poor military, have only just begun to take settlements, and are completely pacifistic.
However, once I have my current Kingdom secured - I will be invading Africa by naval expedition.. That will be the Gallic quest I think.
(Plans may be subject to change.)

The Romans.. well, there are Romans still, of course, theyare auxiliaries in my newly recruited armies - and are filling the garrison duties of southern Italy.
However, the Romans who are still in control of their own fate - are now to be known as the Romano-Illyrians - a small city state controlled by ex-consuls of the Roman Republic, who in exile managed to subvert and gain a tyranny over a large group of Illyrian villages.

The Sweboz, all though controlling five full stacks, are not so scary after all - though I must watch them.
The stacks are completely filled with levy spearmen - the weakest sort - and they have now turned braindead - staying exclusively in Germanica and ceasing their attempts to cross the Rhine.
Again, thank god.

The Casse are absent-minded also - and although this pleases me - and it will be some time before I will have to worry about a naval invasion, yet still I would prefer to be entirely sure.
And so, when I send my general to fortify the Pyrenees - I will have enough money to send a small naval expedition to Britain - and smite the town of Camulosadae and it's four units.

Epeiros is doing exceptionally well! They always do! However this time I am especially pleased because they are not simply going to war with the Getai and pushing North - but forgetting about Makedonia and besieging Bithynia and Pergamon!
They are also attempting to take Olbia.
If they continue on these three fronts, I may have a very powerful ally in the East.

Makedonia after being very nearly eradicated - the Makedonians came off Euboia and Lesbos with three full stacks - one waiting for it's turn at Pergamon, another besieging Corinth, the third is going to take Demetrias.
They may come back.

The Koinon Hellenon are rather idle.. Simply waiting out their crisis in the Makedonian counter-attack with a strange stupor.
For this reason I choose them to garrison and protect the two plug-hole provinces that will protect me from would-be invaders.

Pontos is idle... Not even any armies, as it usually has - even when braindead.. not at war with anyone.. simply spectating.

The Hai are really trying.. For once, they are really giving it a go - and not just against the reasonably powerful Sauromatae, but also the Arche - they are pushing out in all directions.

Pahlava are having trouble - with such a broad front, and being at war with Baktria and the Arche - they are just barely holding their conquests.
It will be fortune that either breaks or empowers them.

Baktria and the Saka are in the same crisis - at war with both neighbours - and unable to sustain any profit.
Those three nations are three casualties of exhaustion.. and unfortunately I predict that none will win out.

Sauromatae and Saba are stalemated by their own laziness.

The Seleukids and Ptolemaics however, are having such a violent war that, even through toggle_fow and step-by-step analysis, it is rather interesting to watch.
The many counter-attacks launched by both sides to control Antioch are vicious - and carried out by surprisingly well-built armies.
The Seleukids are desperately trying to furnish monetary support by taking Asia Minor - the Ptolemaics by Cyrenaica and Ethiopia.

And thankfully.. that's it.

[khosro-II-parviz]

hi.
casse campaing. vh/vh.
i wonder why ptolemaioi faction is so powerful in EB. because historically they weren't so crushing like this. look at the pictures. i haven't even helped a faction with diplomatic relations. nothing

http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2020-17-24-67%20copy.jpg (http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2020-17-24-67%20copy.jpg)

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2021-26-58-84%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2023-26-27-03%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2000-42-14-62%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2002-14-31-26%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2016-57-47-26%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2018-25-47-92%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2019-38-35-62%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2021-00-41-10%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2022-34-54-81%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2000-49-47-40%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2002-26-06-62%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2011-43-14-03%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2013-27-23-82%20copy.jpg

[konny]

wow very impressive, @ khosro-II-parviz. I like it how some factions that were already finished come back like the Aedui between 182 and 162 BC, or the Lusotans. Civilized factions conquering the steppe is in fact a problem, otherwise the Ptolemaic empire is not impossbile if some able king would have been able to unite it with the Seleukids.

BTW, what game where you playing? Jumping to Ireland and then doing nothing the next 70 years.

[khosro-II-parviz]

i playnig that campaing only sake show ptolemaioi power.

my campaings:

Sweboz (vh/vh)

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/RomeTW%202008-05-08%2016-01-14-87.jpg



my pahlava campaing:(m/m)

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/RomeTW%202008-05-08%2016-22-44-90.jpg

[Teleklos Archelaou]

Sweet Jebus! Ptolemaioi North to South across the whole map! :laugh4: I don't think any of us have seen that before. Some really amazing things in your campaign though: Pontos had one of the best empires I've seen them have, and then within a decade they were virtually wiped out. Carthage taking over such a huge area in Europe and then losing it all was freakin' awesome. KH exiled to just Krete and Rhodes, then coming back and taking over *all* of Magna Graecia. I like that the Sabaeans could hold out against the Ptolies, even in Africa. That Roman expansion was pretty sweet too - stopping at the alps and moving to the west is sort of what we want, but I've never seen them reach Gadir! Then getting crushed makes it so much better. It is also absolutely amazing that Baktria survived for so long just holding Alex-Eschate. I wonder what the hell happened to Carthage to have it blow up like that and lose all that territory? That is what we VERY rarely see - one of the big ones making a large empire and then losing it, but NOT losing it to another empire. Losing it to small factions. That would be really awesome to sort of figure out. If only the Ptolies hadn't gone crazy like that yours would be one of the best AI progressions I've ever seen, but even as it is it is pretty amazing. Kudos!! If we had rep here you'd get some for posting those progression images. :2thumbsup:

One reason btw that the Ptolies probably wind up doing that is that once they take Seleukid lands they share MIC's, so I'd chalk most of that up to that fact. They immediately have great soldiers in all those places.

Also, I really like Baktria's expansion in your Casse campaign. That is what we would like to see more of from them. And your Roman expansion in all three campaigns was really good too. It's just impossible to get them to cross water like we want.

[PershsNhpios]

Congratulations Khosro-Pahviz!

That is an amazing study you have!

No doubt the most entertaining piece presented in any Progression thread!

So this is what the AI do with each other when they think we have our backs idly turned...

I have to say, I was cheering on that Parthian Empire as I scrolled down past 202BC.. What a shame.. I do like how they held out for twenty years in a small colony inside Armenia!

Thank you!

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

Absolutely amazing khosro-II-parviz.

[Midnj]

The Romans seem to do much better in 1.1 - as in they actually take all of Italy quickly now.. but they seem to stall after that. I am trying to get the Romans to expand in my game and short of giving them all the cities it does not seem to be happening.

[Tyrfingr]

khosro-II-parviz,

If you wait long enough, you will have to fight Ptolies when you land in Gaul...

[The Persian Cataphract]

hi.
casse campaing. vh/vh.
i wonder why ptolemaioi faction is so powerful in EB. because historically they weren't so crushing like this. look at the pictures. i haven't even helped a faction with diplomatic relations. nothing

http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2020-17-24-67%20copy.jpg (http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2020-17-24-67%20copy.jpg)

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2021-26-58-84%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-04%2023-26-27-03%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2000-42-14-62%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2002-14-31-26%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2016-57-47-26%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2018-25-47-92%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.com/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2019-38-35-62%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2021-00-41-10%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-05%2022-34-54-81%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2000-49-47-40%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2002-26-06-62%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2011-43-14-03%20copy.jpg

http://totalwar.persiangig.ir/image/AI-Factiona-Casse-EB/RomeTW%202008-05-06%2013-27-23-82%20copy.jpg

I've never seen Pahlava kick this much ass, and the fact that they dish out all that beating to both AS and Baktria... Along with the progression of the Saka, this is a very historically satisfying AI development, which I have observed is pretty nicely a coin toss; Either Pahlava or Baktria carries the day and it does for sure represent the heavy "gambling" of both Mithradates I The Philhellene and Eucratides I.

Of course, the Ptolemaioi are unusually and often unrealistically brisk (Which usually is by itself a coin toss between them or the AS), and we have discussed it within the team. The conquest of Iran seems unlikely considering the Seleucids normally held the initiative, and more than once made severe entrances into Egypt proper, but the conquest of the steppes had me laughing; The only "settled" faction which should be able to harness any advantages in those reaches ought to be Pahlava, but due to the inflexibility of the AI, it does not often work to our intention, unfortunately.

I like your Pahlava-game though, and for sure, it shows on your screen-name as well what kind of conqueror you are as well. Well met and welcome to EB, and please do keep reporting, it's because of these we get the clues to how we should improve the machinery.

Dorûd va khush âmadî, :medievalcheers:

[Dooz]

Wow.... the Carthaginian empire that grew and held strong for decades, eventually decimated by rebellion and Lusotannans... and Greek!? wow....

[Sir Edward]

I hope that isn't the last we see of this AI expansion. My bet is that when carthage looses their last oversea colony they will focus east and may push the Ptollie out of egypt. That would be really funny to see. Kind of a second great and glourious carthaginian empire after that implosion in Italy and Gaul.

[Irishmafia2020]

@khosro-II-parviz - Good job, I am glad you came over here from TWC to post that progression, we can all learn a lot from your patience. It is by far the best and longest a.i. progression anyone has seen that is not influenced by the player. Thanks...

[DeathEmperor]

Indeed a fantastic job khosro-II-parviz! :2thumbsup:

I'll have to try it myself sometime probably with the Casse like yourself or Sweboz so I don't interfere with the ai's progressions that much.


EB 1.1
h/m with BI.exe
It took a month but I finally achieved victory with the Arche :beam:
https://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4503/archeseleukeiavictorioulp8.th.png (https://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=archeseleukeiavictorioulp8.png)


About 30 years too young but I still consider this guy my own Antiochus the Great:
https://img230.imageshack.us/img230/720/antiochosthegreatpl9.th.png (https://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=antiochosthegreatpl9.png)

[khosro-II-parviz]

Hi.
thanks for your replies:2thumbsup:
think the most important reason of ptolemaioi progress is that after they take any city of AC they can quickly retrain their units or recruit their best units that they have. specially when they conquer Antochia nothing can stop them from continuing their conquest. I played a campaign with ptolemaioi faction to see why they can progress too much like this, and when i conquered Antochia i saw that the best ptolemaioi units can be recruited without having to create buildings.

[Mediolanicus]

KH Campaign
M/M with BI


262
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/mapgreece262.jpg

252
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/mapgreece252.jpg

Pretty much every faction is doing well.
Except Macedon, that is. It was either them or me.
Audui had he bad start, but are recovering. It will be a good fight for gaul between the two tribes, unless the Romans take Insubramrog.
The Sauro's held the whole northern Caucasus at some point, but the Hai split them in two.
Epeiros has been allied to me from the start, but they recently attacked me (I'm in 246 by now). I'm also getting regular attacks by Pontos on Byzantium and on Helicarnassos by the Seleucids.

Edit : it's not very clear, but I hold Syracuse (and Messana too by now)

242
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/Greece242.jpg

232
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/Greece232.jpg

I think it's time to help the Romans if I ever want Greek Pikemen to play with...

Some strange notes : What's Baktrian army doing on Lesbos in 240B.C.?
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/0011-2.jpg

And why does Pontus has such an urge to train so many useless Greek horses?
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/0004-3.jpg
https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/Miros_G/0003-2.jpg

[Dayve]

https://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1883/237bcwv8.jpg (https://imageshack.us)
https://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1883/237bcwv8.e2876d50f9.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=110&i=237bcwv8.jpg)

This is 237BC. I am Casse. 1.1, playing with RTW.exe, absolutely no changes made to the EB files whatsoever. No formation mods, no nothing. This is pure EB.

I should think tough times lay ahead... I had to push the Sweboz back as they were expanding into Gaul, which served 2 purposes. I wanted to expand onto the mainland for trade purposes but i also wanted to keep the Aedui in the game. Averni have no hope, they have no troops and the Romans surround them with enough armies to conquer them 100 times over.

I'm not looking forward to fighting the Romans... When i play as them, Hastati seem crap. But even the best Casse soldiers are only just slightly better than Hastati, and Principes trump anything i can make. Don't even want to talk about Triarii and the Hastati Samniciti that the Romans are using in abundance.

[General Appo]

It´s good to see the Romans are finally doing something in someones campaign. Nice to see that Hiero is still free.

[Ravenfeeder]

Continuation of Romani game h/m bi.exe

230bc
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t31/ravenfeeder21/romani230.jpg

220bc
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t31/ravenfeeder21/romani220.jpg

I'm in the process of setting up client kingdoms in North Africa. I took Ambraikia from Makedon but gave it to my protectorate of Epirus. Pontos went very quickly, even with an 100k mnai influx from me. No sign of Casse invasion.

[The Persian Cataphract]

I completely love that Pahlava progression, Ravenfeeder. It is almost exactly as history had it when Mithradates began his great campaign, by carving out the very centre of Iran, that distinctive plunge right to the south once they get hold of Parthia proper and Hyrcania; Key areas such as Medea, Gabiene, Persis, Carmania... Lovely. Afterwards the detour to the East, covering the back against the Graeco-Bactrians, as far as Zariaspa... And then a storm to the West, capturing what's left of Elymaïs, and Mesopotamia. Wow. This really got me satisfied (Well, except for the Ptolemaioi... They are the odd man out for technical reasons).

Keep reporting, I live for this stuff :2thumbsup:

[Olaf The Great]

I completely love that Pahlava progression, Ravenfeeder. It is almost exactly as history had it when Mithradates began his great campaign, by carving out the very centre of Iran, that distinctive plunge right to the south once they get hold of Parthia proper and Hyrcania; Key areas such as Medea, Gabiene, Persis, Carmania... Lovely. Afterwards the detour to the East, covering the back against the Graeco-Bactrians, as far as Zariaspa... And then a storm to the West, capturing what's left of Elymaïs, and Mesopotamia. Wow. This really got me satisfied (Well, except for the Ptolemaioi... They are the odd man out for technical reasons).
Y
Keep reporting, I live for this stuff :2thumbsup:You're going to go mad once I show you what the Armenians did in my campaign :)

[mlp071]

KH on VH/M,

i am 20 years past this point, but don't want to lift FoW.

https://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/mlp071/KHCamp.jpg

To be continued....

My wars so far(up to that point) :

1) Macedonian war (272-267)
2) Epeirote war(261-258)
3) Sicily war (247-243 )
4) Italian war (243- ongoing)
5) Second Epeirote wars(233-228)

Never started war first, other then attacking Rebels.


And not to forget interesting things :

https://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa60/mlp071/Pahlava2.jpg

[Centurio Nixalsverdrus]

This is the second time I see Epeiros surviving as an alpine faction...:grin: I congratulate the EB-team to their stunning achievements. AI-progression seems to have made a giant leap forward since 1.0. :2thumbsup:

[jhhowell]

Mediolanicus - I've seen both of the quirks you've noticed. Baktria loves to bribe Seleucid troops in Asia Minor for some reason. You're seeing it at the source, I saw it as a trickle of tiny dark blue armies trying to march across my Hayasdan empire (they usually made it, including a lone FM one time; Baktria and I are allies and AS is very weak...).

I also saw the Pontus weak cavalry fixation in the same game. In my case it was because I'd pushed them out of their homeland, so for a time junk like that was all they could recruit. It's not clear if that's quite true in your game, looks like they might still hold their original capital. But certainly troops raised around Pergamon will be remarkably bad for quite a while, until the AI gets a good level MIC into operation.

[Mediolanicus]

Baktria should rather defend her own territories instead of bribing distant armies, they are down to 1 province!
On the other hand they are pumping out Indian and indo-hellenic elites.

Pontos is doing very weird. Suddenly they rush and conquer western asia minor and just as suddenly they let the seleucids conquer half their possession back. Now they have 3 stacks near their old capital doing absolutely nothing.

[mlp071]

This is the second time I see Epeiros surviving as an alpine faction...:grin: I congratulate the EB-team to their stunning achievements. AI-progression seems to have made a giant leap forward since 1.0. :2thumbsup:

Arverni created Switzerland and Epeiros is pretending to be Austria.

I will keep them there(Epeiros) till they build up towns for me , plus they are buffer between me and Sweboz.

[Tyrfingr]

Romani campaign, EB on Alex.exe, VH/H

262BC
https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7673/rometwalx20080417150222re5.jpg

252BC
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8435/rometwalx20080423004449va6.jpg

242BC
https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4056/rometwalx20080424194232oo4.jpg

232BC (previous update)
https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6100/rometwalx20080506122138pl7.jpg

222BC
https://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9905/rometwalx20080515043135kf2.jpg

Alot of action in just ten years...

One year after my last update, I cleared the world of the lusotana scum. It got hastened by a strange CTD: everytime I played a battle against Lusotana manually the game would crash. Anyhow, in 231BC the Iberian Peninsula was mine and I directed my focus to Hellas. As I shipped over some armies from Iberia, I stopped by on the Baeleric Islands and Sardinia to conquer them from the carthaginians.

My two armies, a regular and an illyrian (illyrian units only) swept all over the Epirote lands, defeating her armies where ever they made battle. Epeirus fell within a single year. Meanwhile, Makedonia took all of Hellas for themselves, only to be my next victim. My illyrian army got the newly appointed faction heir Titus Cornelius Scipio as commander and took a boat, sneaked behind the heavily defended Makedonian capital of Demetrias, and conquered Sparta from Makedonia. From there, I marched a Publius Cornelius Scipio (not related) from Pella, won two heroic victories against fully stacked macedonian armies and conquered Demetrias. A third army arrived and conquered Termon.

My faction heir continued his steamrolling of the Makedonians, conquered Korinthos and Athens, and is currently celebrating a triumph over the macedonians. Just as the years turned 222BC, my faction leader, Gaius Gallicus died, making Titus Cornelis Scipio my new faction leader.

In the north, I got attacked by the germans once...bad mistake by them as I recruited gallic armies of Verrixes, Neitos and Helvetians and marched them north. The conquest goes on.

KH have had a small revival. They have re-established the kingdom of Trapz-blabla through rebellion from AS and they have gained Byzantium also through rebellion from AS. They have however through a naval invasion conquered Crete, which is really interesting.

Another faction that has finally awaken is Sabyn. They have conquered the arabian peninsula and is currently at war with AS over Nabatea and that other desert city which I have forgotten the name of.

The ptolies have been pushed out of Egypt by the carthaginians, and are expected to be eliminated soon. They only have 1 fully stacked army, located in Erythraia and it hasn't moved since the conquest of Erythraia in 270BC!!

AS is kicking ass! In 230BC they wiped out Pontos, and when Baktria finally declared war on them, they seized Baktria. They however made the mistake of declaring war on me, and is currently besieging Tylis, which will be relieved in a couple of turns.

The first world war has started between me and the Arche Seleukia...

[Hax]

You're going to go mad once I show you what the Armenians did in my campaign :)

Can I see can I see can I see?! =D

[Skullheadhq]

Mediolanicus - I've seen both of the quirks you've noticed. Baktria loves to bribe Seleucid troops in Asia Minor for some reason. You're seeing it at the source, I saw it as a trickle of tiny dark blue armies trying to march across my Hayasdan empire (they usually made it, including a lone FM one time; Baktria and I are allies and AS is very weak...).

I also saw the Pontus weak cavalry fixation in the same game. In my case it was because I'd pushed them out of their homeland, so for a time junk like that was all they could recruit. It's not clear if that's quite true in your game, looks like they might still hold their original capital. But certainly troops raised around Pergamon will be remarkably bad for quite a while, until the AI gets a good level MIC into operation.

Baktria in Asia Minor? How did they get so far?

[Sygrod]

KH Campaign

...And why does Pontus have such an urge to train so many useless Greek horses?


If you look closer, you'll notice 2 Apeleutheroi units in there. Pergamon must have had a civil revolt (against AS?). I had civil revolt in Egypt and the ptolly armies had several Apeleutheroi units along with Tarantine cavalry (long way from home) and Merc Phalanxes, Merc Peltastai and assorted ethiopian units. It would seem that the city gets stuffed with Merc units when it revolts.

[Mediolanicus]

If you look closer, you'll notice 2 Apeleutheroi units in there. Pergamon must have had a civil revolt (against AS?). I had civil revolt in Egypt and the ptolly armies had several Apeleutheroi units along with Tarantine cavalry (long way from home) and Merc Phalanxes, Merc Peltastai and assorted ethiopian units. It would seem that the city gets stuffed with Merc units when it revolts.

They've got those Apeleutheroi because I gave them Nikaia after they'd conquered Pergamon and Halikarnassos.
That created 6 units of Apeleutheroi, two of wich defended the city from the Seleucids (and lost), and four which still run around in their armies.

[Tyrfingr]

Romani campaign, EB on Alex.exe, VH/H

262BC
https://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7673/rometwalx20080417150222re5.jpg

252BC
https://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8435/rometwalx20080423004449va6.jpg

242BC
https://img213.imageshack.us/img213/4056/rometwalx20080424194232oo4.jpg

232BC
https://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6100/rometwalx20080506122138pl7.jpg

222BC (previous update)
https://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9905/rometwalx20080515043135kf2.jpg

212BC
https://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5263/rometwalx20080518175927wn0.jpg

The world war between me and the Arche Seleucia has been postponed a dozen of times in the ten years that has passed. Byzantion rebelled from AS to the greeks, then I conquered Byzantion from the greeks and every second turn, AS is attacking Byzantion only to offer proposals of peace the next. I'm busy on other fronts, so this strange cold war between me and AS will have to continue.

Otherwise, the Aegean Sea is the most stable of all fronts, with only minor changes. I have taken Chalkis and Lesbos from the Makedonians, reducing them to Pergamon, which seems to suit them well. We are still at war, but they make no effort to attack my positions, so I will let them be. In 213BC I have also landed at Crete to conquer it from the greeks, and I was very surprised to find an almost fully stacked Makedonian army there.

In the north, the germans got slaughtered like rabbits. I even chased them into Scandinavia and even held Scandinavia for 2 turns before it rebelled to the Eleutheroi with a fully-stacked army of silver-chevron persian archers and greeks leevies (!) as garrison. I have left Scandinavia for now, I will return when I hit the Marian Reforms. My northern armies have instead marched for the shores of Belgium, to board ships for Britain. The Casse have finally conquered the whole of Britain and it's time to take care of the rest of the barbarians.

In the south, my second Punic War have started with an landing at Atiqa and Carthage, quickly establishing a beach-hold of the two cities. From there, I conquered Adrumeto to the south and Ippone to the west. An army of iberian milities and light skirmishers landed at Siga, conquering that city and went eastwards and conquered Kirtsan.

In the east, I have just recently attacked the Getai, taking two cities with barely no struggle at all (bastarnae mercenaries cuts through armour like a hot knife through butter). My goal is to push the Getai towards the Sarmatians, and expel them to eastern Europe before I take on the mighty AS.

In Egypt, the Ptolies got defeated time and again until they had no family members left and was sent to death by Carthage. During their conquest of Egypt, Carthage also got in touch with AS, and conquered Alexandria from the AS. As the Ptolemaois died, Kypros rebelled and I quickly sent an army to establish roman authority.

AS is establishing itself as my rival, and I fear the day I will have to fight them. My spies have revealed armies filled with cataphracts and elite infantry, I would much prefer to wait for the Marian reforms before I tackle this giant Grey Death.

AS have breached into India, but it indians settlements rebels to the parthians quite often, though AS always sends an army to take them back. AS have also begun to push the Haysadan out on the steppes, and although they have several cities under siege at multiple fronts, they have 3-4 fully stacked armies at every front to tackle their opponents. I will have to clear my african, european and britannic front before I can really concentrate on the AS:

[kambiz]

held Scandinavia for 2 turns before it rebelled to the Eleutheroi with a fully-stacked army of silver-chevron persian archers and greeks leevies (!) as garrison.It seems Iranians and hellens once again united against a common foe and conquerer just like they did against Alexander ! And this time oddly in heavenly lands of Scandinavia lolzj

[Olaf The Great]

It seems Iranians and hellens once again united against a common foe and conquerer just like they did against Alexander ! And this time oddly in heavenly lands of Scandinavia lolzj
Theres a few gauls and Indians in there, it was my doing.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

When a city is regarded as the rebel "capital" (one city always has to be it as long as one is rebel), it will do crazy things when it rebels. Even if it is not the capital rebel city, sometimes the rebellion will force it to be. One NW balkan province is particularly bad about this - Patavium maybe? Anyway, the whole set of rules pertaining to recruitment gets thrown out the window at that point when it is generating rebels for that one city. But it makes it interesting at least! :grin:

[DeathEmperor]

1st ever Pontos campaign, EB 1.1 with BI.exe, m/m

270 bc
https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/DominicusUltimus/270bcPontosmapv2.jpg


260 bc
https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/DominicusUltimus/260bcPontosmapv2.jpg


250 bc
https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/DominicusUltimus/250bcPontosmapv2.jpg


240 bc
https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/DominicusUltimus/240bcPontosmapv2.jpg


230 bc
https://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l101/DominicusUltimus/230bcPontosmapv2.jpg


The Sweboz, Aedui and Casse have expanded at a steady rate similar to how they do on my usual h/m settings. Averni surprised me as they're actually keeping the Romani from making the "Romani-Gallic empire" they usually make in my other campaigns. Getai haven't really expanded as much as they normally do, which is probably because of Epeiros.

Romani and Karthage are at as always with Corsica and Sardinia exchanging hands every few years. Bit of a balance in Sicily with Karthage owning Lilibeo and Romani Messana respectively. Hiero is still alive and kicking in Syracuse which is quite surprising.

Makedonia has been all but wiped out by Epeiros, and there was a standoff between KH and Epeiros until KH finally took Pella. Epeiros was the dominant power in Greece until they lost some battle to the Getai, which made them vulnerable to the KH's invasion.

I've expanded my kingdom slowly but surely in Anatolia. Hayasdan had almost all of their armies in the steppes fighting the Sauromatea so I conquered their homelands pretty easily. Declared war against the Ptolemaioi after they took Antioch (because I know what happens when they take it), and I'm currently getting ready to besiege the city itself. The Arche is falling apart as they had most of their armies fighting the Ptolemaioi in Syria and Koele-syria when the Pahlava went to town on them and split the empire in two.

I'm really quite proud of the Pahlava as their expansion in this campaign is the best I've seen by them in my 1.1 campaigns so far. As of 230 bc they're besieging Arbela, Babylon and Seleukeia itself.

Baktria and the Saka have been going at it for the entire campaign. Baktrians just took the Saka capital, but there's a Sakan full stack heading towards Baktra itself.


I'm planning on focusing on the Ptolemaioi at this point along with seizing a few eastern cities I need for the victory conditions before the Pahlava get to them first :laugh4:


Edit- Porblem with the screenies should be taken care of.

[kambiz]

When a city is regarded as the rebel "capital" (one city always has to be it as long as one is rebel), it will do crazy things when it rebels. Even if it is not the capital rebel city, sometimes the rebellion will force it to be. One NW balkan province is particularly bad about this - Patavium maybe? Anyway, the whole set of rules pertaining to recruitment gets thrown out the window at that point when it is generating rebels for that one city. But it makes it interesting at least! Yeah. In my campaign Patavium used to be their capital .But when I took it ,it changed to a Germanic city with one of those weird names. I call it gangsters' heaven:grin:

[DeathEmperor]

I apologize about the pics but at least you can see them correctly now (except for the 230 bc one) even though they're oversized :embarassed:

[Olimpian]

Nice Pahlava Kingdom you got there DeathEmperor...almost as big as the one I have...just that mine is quite literally MINE :beam:

https://img395.imageshack.us/img395/3372/0017dg9.jpg

Note: AS and Ptoleis have been at peace since 270 BC...no fighting between them at all.

[jhhowell]

Baktria in Asia Minor? How did they get so far?

They didn't. Their diplomats chose to bribe small armies there, which then tried to march home. I've seen Carthage do the same thing, both in Greece and Asia Minor.

[Nobo]

They didn't. Their diplomats chose to bribe small armies there, which then tried to march home.

Ive never seen anything like this... which version of RTW are you running?

[jhhowell]

Ive never seen anything like this... which version of RTW are you running?

RTW 1.5, EB 1.0 (though I can't imagine this would depend on anything in EB, as Mediolanicus sees the same thing in 1.1, above). Maybe it's less common with BI.exe with the AI spending money on ships to allow naval invasions. It may also depend on how far into your campaign you are - I see regular bribery in 200 BCE, and thinking back I think I first noticed the Bactrian bribes in Asia Minor around the 240s.

Might be interesting to spawn a Casse diplomat or two in northern Gaul - they're usually an absurdly rich faction, maybe some bribed armies would get them to do something on the continent. ~:)

[Mediolanicus]

I play with BI and so far I've seen a Baktrian stack in Asia Minor and a Roman stack in Trace, both certainly bribed.

[Nobo]

I'm playing on Alexander, but maybe it's been happening and I just never noticed it. I'll keep my eyes open

[Tyrfingr]

I have seen bribed armies almost everywhere. Pontic armies in India, Ptolemaic armies in Gaul etc.

Talking about dislocated armies. When I conquered Iberia in my Roman campaign from the carthaginians and the Lusotana, one half-stacked army (simple freed slaves and some spear leevies) of the carthaginians got sad with the loss of Gader and started to walk northwest.

I thought they were going to attack my poorly garrisoned italian cities, but it turned out that they were (in the AIs mind) to weak to attack anything so they started the long journey for Carthage (or at least carthaginian land)...on foot! Last time I checked, they had just defeated a rebel ambush just south of Sardis, got a heroic victory which made their captain a family member and they have just now passed Antioch. Meanwhile, Carthage have expanded and currently holds Egypt so they will be home soon...

[Roy1991]

Hayasdan, 188BC

https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4213/hayasdan188bcps0.png




I have question for you..

did you menage march of time reform??

did your bodyguards change??

:sweatdrop: sorry for my bad English :sweatdrop:


Yeah, I got the upgraded bodyguards.
Not sure whether the March of Time caused them though, I thought only the Romani could trigger that event?
The Epirotes kicked them out of Italy a long time ago ~:confused:

[Ayce]

Roy: I like what Carthage has done in your game, I thought you were playing them and Hayasdan made an abnormal AI expansion, until I saw the title.

[Roy1991]

Roy: I like what Carthage has done in your game, I thought you were playing them and Hayasdan made an abnormal AI expansion, until I saw the title.

Yeah, some surprising AI progress in this game. I don't remember Epeiros ever doing this good either.
I think Carthage will be slowed down a lot now though, because the Epirotes are conquering Gaul at a fast pace, and have several full stacks in the area, while Carthage just has some small armies.

I hoped Carthage would expand east and attack the Ptolemaioi, but they're allies so that probably won't happen soon.
Those endless stacks of phalanxes are starting to be boring :no:

[Tyrfingr]

Good ridance of those bloody sarmatians...

[Aaldaemon]

Good ridance of those bloody sarmatians...

:whip: No, no, no... Sarmatians are the bestest of the bestest, don't you know?

I've actually never seen them do well in any of my games...:inquisitive: (unless I play them of course :yes: )

[General Appo]

Talking about dislocated armies. When I conquered Iberia in my Roman campaign from the carthaginians and the Lusotana, one half-stacked army (simple freed slaves and some spear leevies) of the carthaginians got sad with the loss of Gader and started to walk northwest.

I thought they were going to attack my poorly garrisoned italian cities, but it turned out that they were (in the AIs mind) to weak to attack anything so they started the long journey for Carthage (or at least carthaginian land)...on foot! Last time I checked, they had just defeated a rebel ambush just south of Sardis, got a heroic victory which made their captain a family member and they have just now passed Antioch. Meanwhile, Carthage have expanded and currently holds Egypt so they will be home soon...

Now that´s the kinda shit someone should make a novel and movie about. Especially if they get ambushed and killed one turn away from Carthaginian lands.

[Tyrfingr]

Now that´s the kinda shit someone should make a novel and movie about. Especially if they get ambushed and killed one turn away from Carthaginian lands.

Saving Private Hannibal?

[General Appo]

Perfect! Now all we need is a loyal elephant that´s with him the entire time and we´ve got ourselves a real blockbuster.

[d'Arthez]

I have had stuff like that happen twice.

One time (Romans), when the Arverni lost their last settlement in Gaul. They started the trek to Galatia. And one time when I (Hayasdan) had torn the Seleukids apart. They still had Prophtasia and Sardis. And after they lost Sardis all Seleukid units in the west started a long, long, long, trek to Prophtasia.

On the first occasion I did not have war with the Arverni, so I had no issues with this great trek. On the second occassion, it was quite a humiliating experience for the Arche, having to go by Antiocheia, Edessa, Seleukeia Ekbatana, Susa, and Gabai (too bad they did not come past Persepolis), so I preferred them to be humiliated. Once they got back, I think I took Prophtasia within the year. :D

[Atanamir]

Hayasdan, 188BC

https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4213/hayasdan188bcps0.png






Yeah, I got the upgraded bodyguards.
Not sure whether the March of Time caused them though, I thought only the Romani could trigger that event?
The Epirotes kicked them out of Italy a long time ago ~:confused:
:inquisitive: strange :inquisitive: I thought too....

[LordCurlyton]

Perhaps the Romani made a Huge city before their demise? That pic is 188 BC, which gives plenty of time for the Romans to make the city and still get kicked out. Even if its been 40+ years since the Epeirotes won, that is still 50 years from the start almost.

[Jurdagat]

Anyone seen a unstoppable AI Roman empire?
They have been pushed to the other side of the alps in my current Hayasdan campaign.

Regretably something wrong with my console key.
Can't toggle FOW nowdays.

[Roy1991]

Perhaps the Romani made a Huge city before their demise? That pic is 188 BC, which gives plenty of time for the Romans to make the city and still get kicked out. Even if its been 40+ years since the Epeirotes won, that is still 50 years from the start almost.


I got the upgraded bodyguards 20 years ago at most. Epeiros already controlled Italy by then.

[Tellos Athenaios]

Casse 255 BC (ordinary RTW 1.5.exe)
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/5/24/f_casse255m_e4d3381.png (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/24/f_casse255m_e4d3381.png&srv=img26)

[The General]

Casse 255 BC (ordinary RTW 1.5.exe)
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/5/24/f_casse255m_e4d3381.png (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/24/f_casse255m_e4d3381.png&srv=img26)
... An interesting way to do things, certainly. :yes:

Also... Is that an Arverni Galatia that I see?

[Tellos Athenaios]

Yup. I quite liked how the diplomacy went there too:

1) Pontos conquers Galatia;
2) The Royal Pontic Satrapy of Ankyra goes for the true Celtic way of life. (Joins the Arverni; a Verrix is installed)
3) Obviously war between Pontos & Arverni now
4) The Seleukids see their opportunity and offer them an alliance (the Arverni/Galatians accept)
And that's a nice trick the Seleukids played because they are and were already losing on all fronts; but when the war broke out between Pontos and Seleukeia -- the Seleukids had an 'ally' to do their dirty work. Indeed, the reason why Pontos has yet to expand beyond Mazaka (which they took only recently) is Galatian invasions/raids of Pontos itself.

[Mediolanicus]

I'm having a wierd KH campaign (will post pics soon)

Galatia is doing exactly the same thing as in Tellos' campaign.
The Seleucids are expanding and eating up Pahlava and Armenia.
The Ptolies are behaving themselves and have a solid empirein Egypt and the Levant, but are held in their eastern and nothern advance by the Seleucids. Even although they took Antiocheia, Krakiotheriablabla (sp) (South of the Caucasus) a long, long time ago.
The Saka killed Baktria and have massive indo-scythian empire, pushing into the lands of the sauro's and the seleucids.
The Averni control the whole of Gaul and Northern Spain, reducing the Aedui to an Alpine faction. They now started attack the Sweboz who have expanded as far as they could without encountering the scripted armies.
The Romans are held by a strong Alpine faction, by a strong Illyric Epeiros (put there by me) and by me in Sicily.
The Carthies had three fullstacks of Spanish elites against 1and a half stack of Lusotans. They lost. The proto-Portugese have taken east and south Iberia. Arse is the last Carthy stronghold. Numantia and Emporion are independant and the rest is Averni.
The Casse have two fullstacks but are still scared of the Scots and Irish (perhaps with reason).

[Maion Maroneios]

Here's a pic of the AI progression in my Makedon campaign (with BI1.6 .exe);
http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/4/5/25/f_makedonia23m_43fc518.jpg
So the year is 233BC, no March of Time yet saddly, and here is a summup of all stuff that's been going on;

Makedonia (me): Unified Hellas, subdued Illyria and now conquering Anatolia with two massive full stacks with Argyraspides, Elephantes and the like. Kicking Ptolemaic as well as Pontic butt right now.

Epeiros: Having kicked them out of Hellas early, they started expanding in Italia (with my money, btw) but when I started giving mnai to the Romani, they wiped them out. That's bye bye Epeiros for some years now:sweatdrop:

Romani: Unified Italia and are now expanding into Gaul. Allied with them fearing they might attack Illyria where my precious mines are (giving them 500 mnai for 50 turns) now that I've shifted attention towards the East.

Getai: They started going on a rampage very early in the game, I even feared for my northern borders. No they have 2 full stacks waiting at Singidunum and Buridava, while doing nothing. Only thing they've done lately, is launch an unsuccessful attack at Kallatis.

Pontos: Gave them Trapezous and Anti-Kamah after seing they did nothing at all, when they started defending they territory from the Seleukidai. They even took Nikaia and Ankyra themselves, the first taken by me after they launched an unsuccessful attack upon Byzantion and the latter taken from me and given to the Arvernii. It would rebel sooner or later (the peasants where rioting) but I wanted the city to go to the losing Arvernii. They are now having they butts kicked by my Basleus:whip:

Hayasdan: Another interseting experiment through FD. I gave them Phraaspa from the Seleukidai early on, and they are now even expanding in the steppes, kicking Sauromatae butt.

Arche Seleukeia: Trully the best behavior until now by this faction, in my oppibion. They slowly started losing in all fronts, specifically in the east against the Pahlava, but they have put up an heroic struggle. Now getting their butts kicked by both the Pahlava, as well as the Ptolemaioi in Syria and Anatolia. Long being my faithful allies, I'm determined to keep them alive.

Ptolemaioi: At first they focused on Syria, losing and taking cities by and from the Seleukidai with no one gaining a upper hand. They later took some Aigyptian cities and launched an unsuccesful attack upon Aithiopia. Some years ago they build a fleet of Nees Megistai (Huge Poliremes), launched a naval invasion upon Rhodos and taking it, while wiping out my entire fleet (some Biremes:no: ). After launching another invasion on Krete, the fleet left and I gathered some forces, taking Rhodos back in the process. They lost Kypros from me next.

Saba: Inresting progression here, no FD whatsoever, with Bostra and Palmyra rebelling to them at some point. Now at war with the Ptolemaioi, they are mosty defending their northern-most territories from the Diadochoi kingdoms.

Sweboz: That's a mega-stalemate here. They have 2 full stacks outside their capital, the city itself having another 20 or so units. No intention of moving at any time soon, it seems. Might get a diplomat there sometime and give them some needed cash:yes:

Casse: Not much to say here, guys are doing well. They arenow aiming to Caledryn.

Aedui: These guys gained the upperhand in the Gallic civil war quickly, which I successfuly balanced by giving Galatia over to the Arvernii. They now lost Viennos from the Arvernii and are probabaly going to get their butts kicked, as the Romani even took Massalia, Segesta and Patavium from them.

Arvernii: As mentioned above, they where losing first but are now getng back on their feet, with just the slightest of help from ne:beam:

Lusotana: Not doing much here, they are expanding slowly towards the east. They recently became a client kingdom of the Karthadastim, though:inquisitive:

Qarthadastim: Lost Lilibeo some years ago, even launching an unsuccessful naval invasion to take the city back, they have taken some African provinces and shifted their capital to Ippone. They even forced the Lusotana to become a client state, so I guess they must have some good armies and lots of cash:sweatdrop: Apart from that, they have a small army near Kyrene, but aren't doing really that much. Even announced a ceasefire with the Romani.

Sauromatae: They where doing quite good, even launching some attacks at Chersonesos and Pantikapaion, until the Hai showed up. They're being owned right now:whip:

Koinon Hellenon: These guys proved utterly helpless, facing a complete onslaught early on. Upon losing Athenai and Sparte, they remained at stalemate, until I destroyed their army in Krete. I wanted to wait until they attacked Halikarnassos, but it took too long and I finally crushed Rhodos. That's good-bye Koinon Hellenon, the first faction to lie in the dirt:skull:

Baktria: The Baktrians proved very capable from the beggining. They took Marakanda, Kophen and Alexandreia-Eschate and the last years are becoming a real juggernaut. They are currently kicking Saka butt, badly.

Saka Rauka: Started quite well, losing badly now, as mentioned above, by the Baktrians.

Pahlava: Currently the most interesting progression I've ever see, no FD whatsoever. They started losing Asaak which they took early by the Seleukidai, but then they just started blitzing them. They completely destroyed the Seleukidai, reaching as far as Mesopotamia. They even recently took Sleukeia and Charax from them, shifting their capital to Hekatompylos and forcing the Sleukidai to shift theirs to Edessa. The seem pretty determined to become the next Persian Emire, it seems, though a little too soon wouldn't it seem?:oops:

[Aaldaemon]

I like the way your map looks in the western part Maion - the European part west of Byzantium. One thing I dislike about AI progression in general is easily seen in how the eastern part of the map looks - those Seleucid territories surviving deeeeeeeep behind enemy lines...:wall: Reminds me of how an EU (paradox game not European Union) map could degenerate into a madness of non contigous states.

[Mediolanicus]

KH Campaign with BI

262
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252
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242
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232
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222
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212
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[General Appo]

Wow, Saka-Rauka is kicking ass. Lets hope they manage to bring down the Sele´s too.

[Hax]

Makedonia campaign. No FD (yet), BI.exe

232 BC

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/EB/AI%20Progression/232BCMakedonia.jpg

222 BC.

https://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x152/Elphir/EB/AI%20Progression/222BC.jpg

So I've been playing as Makedonia, with the plan to conquer up to the Indus valley. I'll highlight the factions for a bit.

Koinon Hellenon: Dead. Utterly dead.

Epeiros: Actually, after I conquered both Ambrakia and Epidamnos, I moved all their stacks to the Italian mainland. From there, they have been going insane. They immediately conquered Capua and Arpi, then they did Rhegion, and Roma and Ariminum shortly thereafter. So I figured the Romani were kinda in a bad situation. More on that later. As of now, they look a bit like a Sikilian faction (with Taras)

Arche Seleukeia: They are fending off against all attackers (except me), pretty good. Even though the Pahlava conquered a few of their cities, and they lost Antiocheia, they did manage to capture Hierosolyma and hold it. Since they've lost all of their main cities now (Seleukeia, Babylon, Ekbatana and Susa), I figure they won't be able to keep up much longer. And I'm waiting on the betrayal by Baktria.

Ptolemaioi: My friends. Even though we share a border, they haven't been acting in a bad way at all. They are currently pre-occupied with Carthage and the Saba'en, and I have seen nothing bad.

Baktria: Baktria has been expanding pretty good, nothing out of the ordinary. Currently fighting a bitter war against the Saka, that could pretty much go either way. We'll see how it ends.

Saka: See Baktria.

Pahlava: Instead of cutting a bloody swathe through the Seleucid lands, they've figured they should start a steppe empire. They are currently ganging up on the Sauromatae with their Hai friends.

Sauromatae:Even though they expanded pretty well in early game, they are losing a three-front war against the Getai, Hayasdan and Pahlava.

Hayasdan: Killing steppe riders. Sending a lot of spies into my lands. After I capture Charax, and notice another spy, I will march up to their mountain kingdom and kick them out of there.

Getai: As Quirinus put it, they are truly the Dwarves behind the mountains. They are kinda quiet, expanding west and north mostly. I hope they will get into a war with the Romans soon.

Romani: They were my friends at first. After I saw how horrible their state was, I bribed a Carthaginian general and made a mercenary army. From their, I started to conquer back the old Romani cities and gifted them back. However, they suddenly betrayed me about 225 BC, capturing Dalminion and laying siege to Ambrakia. However, I had a Galato-Thraike army ready on a fleet, so I quickly transported them there and a big battle for Dalminion is upcoming.

Aedui: They were first winning the war against the Arverni, but ever since the Sweboz started expanding southwards, and the Romani conquered Mediolanum they have been losing the war for Gaul. They are currently under siege in Dariatorium, so I guess it's bye-bye Aedui pretty soon.

Arverni: As they lost the war against the Aedui, and the Sweboz and Romani rushed to their aid, they took the opportunity by conquering like madmen. At one point, they controlled all of what they have now plus Massilia, Velika and Numantia. I think they'll get killed anyways by the Romani and Lusotannan.

Lusotannan: Nothing extraordinary, just expanding in Iberia -shrug-

Karthadast: Lovely expansion there. Conquering the coastal holdings of Iberia and raising naval attacks on the Italian mainland (they controlled Kapua and Segesta both at one point. We'll see what happens.

Sweboz: The mightiest faction, on the side of military. They have some 10 fullstacks running around Germania and Gallia, and I expect great things of them!

Anyways, that was my AI progression for now. I'll update again in 202 BC.

[Maion Maroneios]

Wow Hax, you're certainly conquering much faster than I am! Say, what kind of armies where you actually fielding during your Anabasis?

[Hax]

1/2 General(s).
2 Argyraspides
4 Pezhetairoi
2 Agrianikoi Pelekuphoroi/Thureophoroi
2 Thraikoi Rhomphaiaphoroi
2 Eastern Archers (sharblahrdarh or something)
2 Eastern Slingers (the same)
2 Hippeis Thessalikoi/Hetairoi
2 Prodromoi/Leuce Epos

I'll also make a screenshot of my 1337 Galato-Thraike army.

[Maion Maroneios]

Interesting, I use the exact same bulk; 2 Argyraspides and 4 Pezhetairoi:yes:

[Tyrfingr]

That´s some scary germans. They even took Noricum, impressive! I rarely see an AI do that...

[Tellos Athenaios]

http://img34.picoodle.com/img/img34/4/5/26/f_casse249m_e960b7a.png (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/26/f_casse249m_e960b7a.png&srv=img34)

Ok first of all the only reason why the Aedui own Liguria, Aemilia and Ventia is that the SPQR caused a ctd. And a quite repeatable one to boot. So I teleported my diplomat, used some cheat money and bought the Romani out of those territories. Built the most apporpiate govt levels I could, and then gifted these regions to the Aedui. (Forced, actually.)

Restored the money balance -> CTD gone (?).

In this small span of time between the 'acquisition' of these territories and our war, the Aedui might just have inflicted the most humiliating string of defeats on the Romani. The Romani did have full stacks with elite and regular infatry and generals and whatnot in the region, the Aedui had to manage with levies and whatever military they had in Mediolanum and Massalia. The result is that the Romani no longer have elite stacks, and that when they chased the Aedui faction heir and another general the old king escaped. In fact, the Romani who attacked him with one of the elite armies lost by far more men than the Aedui did. And the Celtic world finally hit the first reforms. (250 BC, actually)

Anyways I'll make up for that by conquering some Aedui towns: when I gifted those regions I got a transgression warning, and I figure I be the first to start this war, while the Sweboz are more or less brain-dead.


In Mikra Asia a stalemate exists; but in the Fertile Crescent the Seleukeis are about to collapse. But perhaps Palmyra & Saba will divert Ptolemaic forces long enough...

The town of Palmyra has seen quite a bit of action: originally conquered by the Seleukeis, then conquered by the Ptolemaioi they had had enough. So they decided to call themselves Saba. Neither the Saba (who lost their single biggest customer in the process) nor the Ptolemaioi were too happy with that. The Saba made it absolutely clear to the ursurpers in Palmyra they were not amused, and hence Palmyra now counts as Eleuthera again.

However this saw some vulture-like diplomacy here as well:
1) The Saba lost their biggest client which happens to be the most feared Empire of the World.
2) The Seleukids offer an alliance, so the Saba gladly accept (one potential problem less for them)
3) The Merchants in white, plotting for world domination by means of proxies (the Carthies who lost bad against the Eleutheroi on numerous occasions) offered an alliance also. This means that the Saba are now an official member of the grand Seleukid-Carthaginian anti-Ptolemaioi coalition. Officially the Carthies still abide the peace-treaty signed after the fall of Kyrene to the Ptolemaioi; but it seems that is only because they lack serious armies which aren't stuck chasing desert jinns.

In the Far East the Baktrians declared war upon the Seleukeis, this very turn actually. I guess that's pretty accurate, actually.
The villages/towns of Xiyu and Sogdiane are hotly disputed: Xiyu was taken by the Saka who lost it to the Baktrians only to take it back and lose it yet again. Sogdiane rebelled early on from the Seleukeis, only to be taken by the Baktrians who subsequently lost it to the Saka who lost it to the Baktrians again. But then the Saka retook the region, and ever since they have been busy defending it from Seleukid wanderers, Baktrian agressors...

However these few years definitely were the years of the Hellenic Leagues. The Epeirotai and the Koinon declared an alliance, and are now busy kicking the Makedonians out of Thermon. About one full stack of eager Hellenes from the south await their turn; two more from the north are marching at Thermon also.

Finally there's the little succes story of the Parthians who are currently besieging Sousa.

[Fondor_Yards]

My 1.1 EB campaign, on 1.5 RTW with no other changes but the few I made myself. Forgot/too lazy to take pictures before this.


222 BC
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/FondorYards/EB/RomeTW2008-05-1701-28-18-80.jpg

200 BC
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/FondorYards/EB/RomeTW2008-05-2023-58-09-81.jpg

190 BC
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/FondorYards/EB/RomeTW2008-05-2403-18-01-69.jpg

181 BC
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/FondorYards/EB/RomeTW2008-05-2719-27-38-83.jpg

Casse: Have just kinda sat there, very slowly taking all the british isles.

Aedui: Took half of Gaul, made peace with the Averni and became Rome's protectorate. Just kinda sat there till the Lusitannans curb stomped them. Currenly about 5 years past this last SS, they are gone.

Averni: Made peace with the Aedui and took forever taking the other half of Gaul. Was able to hold their against Rome's limited attacks, but were weaked so weren't able to hold off their allies the Lusitannans forever. Just like the Aedui they were wiped out and the Iberians control all of Gaul now too.

Lusitannan: Slow start, but once their won their war with Carthage they became very strong and very agressive. With their allies Rome, Carthage, and Macedon they rule the Western half of the world in what I like to call the "Informal Anti-Me Alliance."

Sweboz: As you can see, did nothing for 20 years, then took all of Central Europe. Slowly losing a war to the Romans now.

Getai: Their Empire topped off around 208 BC, which is when they happened to go to war with the Romans. At one point they reached from to Ak-Ink to Nikaia. Were slowly losing ground to them whem Macedon came back from the grave, took back their lands, and attacks from the south. They collasped quite quickly. After a few years of stupid AI diplomancy, have decided to hide in their last 2 cities as roman protectorates and hope no one notices them again.

Romans: Their usual powerhouse self, have won wars with both gallic tribes, the Getai, Carthage, Macedon, and Epeiros twice. We were trading partners untill my very last turn, when they decided to seige Tylis.

Epeiros: Took Macedon, but then kinda sat there forever. When Macedon got their balls back and attacked they were saved as Taras conviently rebelled to them from Carthage. Took Arpi from Carthage before Rome took it back. Now lives as another Roman protectorate.

Macedon: Lost Pella to Pyrrhos, but were able to take south greece Byzantium, and Pergamon. Used that to retake Pella and crush Epeiros. Took cities from the Getai with easy till they bordered the Romans. After that war ended for some reason, they allied with them. Probably since they not bordered me. So I kicked them out of Asia Minor, Thrace, and Byzantium.

Koinon-Hellenon: Got kicked out of Greece by the Maks, and did their normal llive off of Rhodos and city rebellions. Controlled Chersonesos, Halikarnassos, Emporion, Massalia and Rhodos at one point. Till they lost them each to being dead, Me, Iberians, Averni, and Me.

Carthage: Pretty meh so far. Took half of Iberia, lost it. Took Sicily after Rome weakened it and South Italy. Lost South Italy. Apparently content to sit around chasing my 2 navies around and send full stack after full stack to die outside of Kyrene's walls.

Seleucids: Actually pretty decent as enemies go, much better then the Ptolemaics anyway. Only attacked me once between 272 and 250, despite me taking Marakanda and Alexandreia-Eschate from them then. Almost feel bad about crushing them under a horde of cavalry. Almost.

Baktria: Made the mistake of attacking me with their starting full stack the turn we boardered in 271 or so. It's loss hurt them badly, as they never attacked my lands again and had only taken Gava-Haomavarga by the time they died in 260 or so.

Parthia: Other then the Seleucids and Saba, one of only three wars I ever started ever started. They had taken and lost a bunch of cities from the Seleucids, and that was about it. but seeing how most of their armies were just full stacks of *much better then my* cataphracts, I decided they had to die now. Finished them off in 251 after some nasty fights.

Ptolematics: Once I took Seleucia, they had Bablyon on the other side of the river. As is their credo, they attacked the next turn, despite our 50 or so year old alliance. Decided the Seleucids could wait in Asia Minor as I drove them into the Nile.

Pontus: They seiged Ipsos. It didn't go well for them.

Hai: Have wisely decided not to attack the most powerful nation in the world. Pontus should have followed their lead. They keep sending spies into my cities and their dipolmates keep doing their little attempt to bribe thing that normally means they will attack, but apparently my massive armies and garrisons are staying their attack.

Sarmatians: Still my ally. Haven't attacked me at all surprisingly, which makes me want to wipe out the Hai to help them out. Don't feel like invading further into Europe yet, so I might go help my nomad brothers.

Saba: They just sat down there in Arabia minding their own business, till I decided to launch a surprise attack at Alexandreia from the south. On the way there my general took all their lands. I've learned two things from this. 1. Saba units suck and die very easily to arrows and/or cataphracts and 2. Their cities are really rebellious.


Currently at war with Rome, Macedon, and Carthage. Rome and Macedon ended their war and allied, probably so now they can both attack me. Rome and Carthage are still techinally at war since Carthage invaded Italy and took 4 cities there, but once Rome took them back they havn't even looked at each other hard. And since Iberia is allied to Rome, it means basicly once the germans fold they will all have nothing to do but build up to fight me at some point.

[Shadowwalker]

Wow! You rule a very impressive Saka empire, Fondor_Yards. :2thumbsup: At which difficulty level you are playing? And how do you prevent distant cities from rebelling?

[Fondor_Yards]

VH/M iirc. Keeping cities in line has been my biggest problem, since 99% of my towns are of greek culture+80% captial distance thing, mostly just huge garrisons and using the add_population cheat to reduce population to stimulate slaughtering them or moving loyal greeks/indians west or disloyal guys east.

[Olaf The Great]

VH/M iirc. Keeping cities in line has been my biggest problem, since 99% of my towns are of greek culture+80% captial distance thing, mostly just huge garrisons and using the add_population cheat to reduce population to stimulate slaughtering them or moving loyal greeks/indians west or disloyal guys east.
Me want savegame

[Tellos Athenaios]

http://img29.picoodle.com/img/img29/4/5/31/f_casse241m_6f6fff9.png (http://www.picoodle.com/view.php?img=/4/5/31/f_casse241m_6f6fff9.png&srv=img29)

It's 241 BC and those 8 years (the last update was 249 BC) have seen some massive warfare.

The Aedui quickly lost Amorica and after a lengthy siege their relief forces + the quite massive garrison of Bibracte proved unable to change the course of events --> Bibracte was sacked for some needed cash. (Actually ~6000 Mnai ....) Which means that the Aedui confederation is now without the Aedui tribe...

The Arverni took the opportunity to mount a campaign against Lemonum/Burdigalla and so far have succeeded against Lemonum. Burdigalla might prove a bit thougher challenge than expected, though. However, the Arverni managed to capture Massalia with a surprise attack, and despit initial riots in the city - the region is still in Lime Green hands.

The Aedui became/argeed to becoming a (dissapointing) Roman protectorate. But the Romani couldn't keep their hands off the Mamertines, and a *true* first Punic War was a fact. The Aedui obviously chose the side of the Qartadastim allies, and so, recently the Romani have set out for a punishment expedition. (Currently besieging Bononia, while virtually all Aedui forces are located around Aventicos/ the passes to Mediolanium. Clever AI there...)

If I had a more strict roleplaying going on in my campaign I would've said that the Arverni invited me (because they profited most as they were about to collapse against the Aedui but now seem to have fully recovered) to aid them against the Aedui; and the Aedui in turn invited the Swebozez to attack me from accross the Oder. (Because the Aedui were just about fully removed from the Transalpine Gaul theatre; however since the Swebozez 'intervened' the Aedui had enough time to consolidate their borders. So they retain a northern stronghold: Aventicos.) I wasn't caught entirely off guard and a forced march towards the Elbe + a few crushing defeats inflicted on Swebozez invaders ensured I kept my regions....

After some more manoeuvres I was enabled to go on a quick punishment campaign against Denmark & Sweden. Then I took some risk and conquered Gawjam~Rugoz. Another large battle, and now the Swebozez military is in shambles... Currently besieging the capital with ~35% of my forces in the region; the rest is to march South, be refitted and conquer that one rebel settlement next to Bibracte... (And keep an eye on my allies, the Arverni...)

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On Sicily a real Punic War took place; but the Qartadastim lost the battle for Messana in the end. Not surprising actually, as the Qartadastim forces were vastly outnumbered (the entire Roman war machine was marching south at the time...) With Messana secured the Romani signed a treaty with the Qartadastim and are now free to molest Syrakosai with the (approving) consent of the Merchants in white.

The Merchants in white seem to prefer grand-scheming against the Ptolemaioi and minor campaigns against desert jinns.

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In Spain the Lusotannan discovered what a devastating effect old age has on Eleutheroi generals: they don't have kids to take over their duties! So the crafty Portuguese resorted to a long-term strategy: waiting till the enemy dies of old age and their people is left leaderless... But just for fun, only the city of Emporion is constantly harrased by bands of Lusitanian party-goers...

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Makedonia held out against all expectations; and now seem to be a bit more than just a nuisance for the grand Koinon of the Koina... Both Epeiros and KH have dispatched forces to deal with the intrusions of Makedonike forces. On the other hand the Makedonians constantly try to subjugate Pergamon, and if they don't then the KH gives it a try from Sardis. So far no luck, though.

Epeiros is a powerhouse; using rather blunt but effective tools nonetheless agains the garrison of Ak-Ink to conquer it. Will be a while before they manage, because the governor is still alive and kicking Thracian Tribal Levies whenever he gets a chance to. But he's got to do that with fewer men each time the Thracian Subjects of the Epeirote throne get back....

In Mikra Asia, Pontos is on the rise - and quite possibly about to fall very far, very far indeed. Not content with warring against Seleukids, and barely managing to contain Ankyra's lust for Pontic gold and silver -- they decided to attack Tarsos. That might be a bad idea, a very bad idea...

Because further East the Ptolemaioi may have been unable to crush 'so-called Saba' - they have been able to finally squash Damaskos once and for all; as well as to reconquer Palmyra and grab Babylon to boot. And the Seleukids don't seem a match for the Ptolemaic forces marching at Edessa either...

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Further east, the Pahlava have finally reconquered Ekbatana. And they seem eager to oust Theorodoros Syriakos from his Hyrkanian throne too...

[General Appo]

252 Qarthadastim M/M RTW exe. Some FD.


Been playing a bit behind the back of my AAR readers (mohahaha) and things are getting quite interesting.

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Romans: After quickly taking Taras they´ve utterly failed to take Rhegion despite probably about 10 attempts. Its garrison is now so low I almost feel bad about not just sending in a Hoplitai to take the city.
But while Rhegion remains independent, the Romans are doing crazy stuff further north. They took Segesta and Massalia early on, and a few years later Tolosa.
Attacked the Aedui 258 though almost nothing actually seems to have happened in that war yet. While besieging Emporion I (like it befits a true ally) aided them with an army under Hamalcar (yes, Hannibals daddy) and they would never have taken the city without my help. Even when I removed my army from Lacetania after the battle, they still declared war on me for some stupid reason. Now I will make the threacherous dogs pay.

Lusotannan: Took Tyde, Sucum-Murgi, Carpetania and defeated Moskons Celtiberian army all in the first 5 years. Then besieged Mastia and came damn close to taking it, before I robbed them of half their cities in a lightening 1 year campaign. After defeating all their armies, blockading all their ports and all entrances to my territory plus stationing an army outside their almost unguarded capital I FD´d them to become my protectorate, they´ve remained as such since 265 and are behaving nicely, only taking Pallantia.

Arverni: Got Galatia through revolt at turn 3, have been holding on to it with a vengeance, defeating many Pontos armies. Lost Viennos to Aedui, have mostly been occupied with defending against attacks upon Gergovia by the Dark Greens.

Aedui: Going good, took Vesontio and Lemonum, are very close to taking Bratosporios and Bononia (though the Romans might snatch the later one).

Sweboz: These guys are really worrying me. Not only uniting Germania, they´ve now crossed the Rhine. Hopefully the zombie generals with their armies of the undead in Veldideno and Ebouronum will keep them occupied.

Casse: Best progression I´ve ever seen by them (including when I played them). Not much to say except that they´re kicking ass. Hoping for a Casse Naval Invasion within this century.

Getai: Have done very little after taking Kallatis and Getia Koile apart from a one time attempt to take Tylis.

Epeiros: Kicking ass big time. After kicking the Makedonians out of Makedonia they´ve been teaching a lesson to the Illyrians and Thracians, a lesson about the unfairness of life. Recently took Bysantion and are besieging Tylis.

KH: Nothing special. Liberated Korinthos and have tried to do the same to Demetrias and Chalkis, but no luck so far, though they are getting closer.

Makedonia: I really should rename them and maybe give them a new colour, for these guys aren´t the Maks anymore, they´re the Pergamon Antigonids, they´ve even moved their capital to Pergamon.
Maybe Kalos Argeades should do like Seleukos Nikator and Ptolemaios Soter did, and name his kingdom after himself.
Arche Kalos. Argeadoi. Arche Argeados. Arche Argeadeia. Arche Kaloi. Arche Kalosoi. Nah, all sounds stupid.
Anyway, these guys have taken Nikaia and Ipsos, and are threatening Sardis. However back home in the old country things are looking bad, it´s only a matter of time before the KH or Epeiros takes Demetrias and Chalkis.

Pontos: Big dissapointment. Took Galatia early but of course lost it. Tried to take Sinope and Nikaia, but utterly failed. Kinda dead now, apart from occasional forages against the ex-Maks.

Seleukids: Doing okay. Despite losing Antiocheia early they managed to hold on, and only recently lost Damaskos and Palmyra, but doesn´t look like they´re about to break. Might lose Sardis to ex-Maks but Mazaka´s got a bigass garrison that´ll likely hold of any ex-Mak, Pontos and Ptolemaic attacks.
Holding nicely against Pahlava, even nearly took them out. After losing both Asaak and Hekatompylos they retook them and had a big army marching against Nisa when the Pahlavans defeated it, earning a Famous Battle marker. Few turns later Asaak revolted, and they´be been pretty stuck like that for a while now, with small time skirmishing.
Still allied to Baktria but Saka-Rauka declared war last turn after early ceasfire, yet to see what the Red Nomads will do.

Hayasdan: Getting their asses kicked by my absolute favourite in this campaign, the Sauromatae.

Ptolemaioi: Read Seleukids. Nothing real exiting going on otherwise, the usual Sinai war against Sab´yn, but that´s it.

Sab´yn: Quite good progression. After I raided Kirtan I gave it to them just so I could get in some minor trade from there (inspired by Quintus Sertorius).
Will probably do the same with any other African regions I take.

Pahlava: Read Seleukids, they´ve done nothing but fighting them.

Baktria: Was doing good ´till Saka-Rauka took Marakanda, now seem kinda lost with no real direction.

Saka-Rauka: Been mostly passive to suddenly get creative outburst like the taking of Marakanda and Gava-Saka in one turn.

Sauromatae: Holy geez, I love these suckers. Not only conquering the Slavs and Balts, they´ve moved into Armenia, and are right now besieging Kotais. Have almost taken Olbia, hopefully will soon. Also besieging Gava-Thissakata.

Carthage: Well, I´m playing it slow (or trying to). Slowly took Sicily and Arsé, then blitzed the Brown Shepherds when they betrayed me.
I´m staying away from the African towns, except to raid some and give them to the Sab´yn. Since the Romans betrayed me I might have to attack them. Don´t know what I´ll do, I don´t want to take Italy yet but I don´t think the Romans would accept defeat unless I did something really bad, and I don´t think taking Emporion and sinking their fleet is enough.

[Ravenfeeder]

Continuation of my Romani game (see upthread)

210bc
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204bc
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I think I'll give this one up now. Fighting two or three battles against the Ptollies per turn is getting dull.

KH are about to die.

Baktria look like they have the upper hand over Pahlava. Probably due to being able to use AS regional barracks and spam Klerouch Phalangitai from them.

Makedon only survived so long due to the cold war of assassins and spies that I waged for 30 years in Asia Minor. Eventually all the Ptolemaic cities had family members and I had to turn the war hot.

A shame the Yellow Fever became so strong so early. I put it down to the sharing of barracks and the high availability of Klerouch Phalangitai accross the region.

[Tyrfingr]

Romani campaign, EB on Alex.exe, VH/H

262BC
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252BC
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242BC
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232BC
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222BC
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212BC (previous update)
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202BC
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The last ten years have been very, very busy. In about 210BC the long anticipated World War between me and the Arche Seleucia finally broke out into full scale warfare, and unable to secure any ceasefire, I grabbed what I could and prepared for war.

Short after the last update, I defeated the Makedonians, rushing my faction leader to every battle and when I conquered their last city of Pergamon, the AS decided to challenge me.

Now, the western Anatolia is the scene of several huge battles every turn. As I have conquered a couple of AS cities, they are constantly besieging and me constantly sallying out to face them. Little by little, I gain land however.

The war against AS could have ended in disaster for me, had not the Marian Reforms kicked in summer 209BC. I held out with my Polybian armies in Anatolia, while recruiting fresh Marian armies in Italy and sent them by ship to the theatre of war. Their arrival really turned the tide, and as I'm sending two additional armies I expect to conquer all of Anatolia within the next 10 years.

In the northwest, my armies in Germany have been shipped over to Britain and is slowly eating the Casse Kingdom up from the south. The trip to Britain have not been an easy one, and the Casse are controlled by a fierce AI, much more clever than I anticipated.

Meanwhile the war between Rome and AS raged on in the east, three ambitious family members conquered all but one carthaginians settlemen in North Africa. Just recently, they have conquered their way east towards Egypt to finally get rid of the carthaginian nemesis. A dull but vigorous son is currently marching for the last carthaginian stronghold in west Africa.

In eastern Europe, the Getai was swept aside by my HA armies, now making the Sarmatians my neighbour, who is currently massing up armies along our border.

Arche Seleucia

This game has really become a powerstruggle between me and the Arche, and almost every faction is involved somehow, only the Casse is unaffected by the war, every other faction is either allied to me, or to AS.

AS is such a powerhouse, they conquered the Pahlava and is chasing the Baktrians into the mountains. They was however unexpectedly thrown out of both Egypt and India, but they have fully-stacked armies in nearby allied territory, ready to take them back. Although their expansion has slowed down, they are nowhere near exhaustion.

[General Appo]

Wow, that´s one heck of a war you got going there. Just 8 factions left after just 70 years. I wonder what will have happened after another 70 years.