Dosidastakeli recruitment?

[[cF]HanBaal]

hi,

as the lusotannan i built in Vellika type 1 government, mic level 5 and still cant recruit the vasci heavy infantry aka 'dosidastakeli'...do i need to wait for some reforms to happen?

thanks

[Elmetiacos]

They've been taken out of the recruitment roster.

[[cF]HanBaal]

lol, would be fun to use their 17 attack 37 defense stats :smash:

you know why they were taken out? They still appear in the export descr unit file as recruitable by the Lusotannan (spain)

any way to mod them back in? which file would i have to mod?

[Atanamir]

HanBaal;1940269']lol, would be fun to use their 17 attack 37 defense stats :smash:

you know why they were taken out? They still appear in the export descr unit file as recruitable by the Lusotannan (spain)

any way to mod them back in? which file would i have to mod?

You should look here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=102841&page=5):book:

[[cF]HanBaal]

thanks! :jumping:

[Atanamir]

HanBaal;1940274']thanks! :jumping:

:2thumbsup::smash:

[Moros]

They were made unrecruitable because though there is some evidence. (The armor existed, they were mentioned,...) The evidence and their nature doesn't really justify recruitable units. Thus they were made unrecruitable for realism's sake.

But as you can read in the other topic (link posted above), they can be made avaible easily.

[Olaf The Great]

I just hope EB is kind enough to give us the Option of recruiting them in EB2.

[Ludens]

If I understood Sarcasm, the current Iberian FC, correctly, they are going to get axed. There's a reason their recruitment is disabled, after all, and unit slots are even more valuable in EB2 than in EB1.

[Moros]

Yeah, I don't see them returning into EB II. It was a great unit, looked cool and stuff. But then again Lorica Segmentata looks cool too. But that doesn't change the fact that isn't Historically the correct option.

[Olaf The Great]

Yeah, I don't see them returning into EB II. It was a great unit, looked cool and stuff. But then again Lorica Segmentata looks cool too. But that doesn't change the fact that isn't Historically the correct option. Uh huh, yeah ok.

Alright when EB2 comes out remind me to add Dosidataskelli(and those other guys) to the game ;)

[Jolt]

If I understood Sarcasm, the current Iberian FC, correctly, they are going to get axed. There's a reason their recruitment is disabled, after all, and unit slots are even more valuable in EB2 than in EB1.

Didn't those guys fought Emporion Hoplites or sorts? Some writer wrote about them.

[Ibrahim]

well, at this rate, the Thorakitai Argyraspidai will be the last of their breed (the super heavies that is)

[bovi]

Alright when EB2 comes out remind me to add Dosidataskelli(and those other guys) to the game ;)
Good luck modelling and skinning them.

[Moros]

Didn't those guys fought Emporion Hoplites or sorts? Some writer wrote about them.

Yes they did. Can't remember the passage. But I bet one of our historians still does.
However they functioned as a bodyguard, and in very small units. Not justifying recruitable units for a foreign faction.

[Jolt]

In EB 2, they could be recruited as a one unit only in Cantabria. It would be plausible, within EB Historical limits.

[Sarcasm]

Hey, if you guys find out what that passage is, I'll take a look at it. In the mean time, sorry, but they're going the way of the dodo.

[Olaf The Great]

Good luck modelling and skinning them.
Eh, I guess I could use the Thorakitai Argyraspidai model, but I lack the drive(I am pretty good with skins) to do it.
It was really a joke :)

BTW what is that armor, and are there pictures of it?(The "Super heavy" armor, cearann or something

[Ludens]

Eh, I guess I could use the Thorakitai Argyraspidai model, but I lack the drive(I am pretty good with skins) to do it.

That would be a good idea, if it weren't for the fact that the TA model was adjusted so the Dosidataskeli and its Goidelic equivalent could use it as well, and they'll probably go back to the original one.

[Olaf The Great]

That would be a good idea, if it weren't for the fact that the TA model was adjusted so the Dosidataskeli and its Goidelic equivalent could use it as well, and they'll probably go back to the original one. I actually thought it was the other way around? Eh, doesn`t matter, It's not like I was serious anyway, Iberia has enough great units to fill the gap anyway (they weren't very usefull anyway)

[Ludens]

I actually thought it was the other way around? Eh, doesn`t matter, It's not like I was serious anyway, Iberia has enough great units to fill the gap anyway (they weren't very usefull anyway)

No. The leftmost image is the original Thorakitai Argyres (before the inclusion of the Dosidataskeli), and the second to the right is the current one. Both the helmet and the shoudler protection have been altered to conform to the Dosidataskeli model.

https://img65.imageshack.us/img65/8621/thorakitaiargyrasdh3.png (https://imageshack.us)https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/arche-seleukeia/seleukid_thorakitai_argyras.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/lusotannan/lus_dosidataskeli.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/units/eleutheroi/british_isles/goidilic_infantry_uacht.gif

(The image of the original Thorakitai Argyres is taken from the front-page of the EB website)/

[Moros]

Note some of the changes were also due to historical reasons if I remember correctly.

@Jolt bodyguards from other tribes,...shouldn't be recruitable.Even if only one could be recruited. And if it would be limited this much, it would be waste of the model slot. Unless there is evidence that suggest they were used frequently and are effictively attested. However I don't see that happening. SO I guess we can safely state they won't make it.

The armor they use is Heavy chain mail and a layer of fishscale armor. IIRC.

[Jolt]

Note some of the changes were also due to historical reasons if I remember correctly.

@Jolt bodyguards from other tribes,...shouldn't be recruitable.Even if only one could be recruited. And if it would be limited this much, it would be waste of the model slot. Unless there is evidence that suggest they were used frequently and are effictively attested. However I don't see that happening. SO I guess we can safely state they won't make it.

I agree as to where the unit limit goes, compared to the unit quantity/province of recruitment, but I don't see any problem where a unit of bodyguards wouldn't be able to enter the game, considering it could be a Vascii King/Warlord and his bodyguards, much like there are other factions who depict nobles and their companions.

[MerlinusCDXX]

Maybe there could be the possibility of being able to get them as a merc general's bodyguard in Cantabria? This should satisfy historical accuracy, and curtail the unhistorical spamming of these guys (though I don't really see them as spammable, they were pretty expensive in 1.0).

Just a thought.