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The Lunar Whale
Note: There will, undoubtedly, be spoilers in both the intro and throughout the game
Note 2: Shlin, if you're reading this, I swear I had this in my mind before you started your space mafia game. Mine was up on the signup list before yours, so please don't think I'm copying you or anything.
Cecil the Paladin and the other heroes have just defeated the Giant of Babel at its core. After a long discussion with the Dark Knight Golbez, he learns that his arch-enemy, who killed the King of Baron, and stole the Crystals in order to summon the monstrous titan that he just defeated, is his own brother. But despite this, Golbez is not the true villain. He was under the control of Zemus, a man imprisoned in the core of the moon, whose goal is to destroy all civilization on Earth, so that he might live there himself. This same Zemus had also been the one who controlled Kain, Cecil's friend and the commander of Baron's Dragoons, and forced him to betray his allies. Now, however, Golbez has regained his consciousness, and plans to go to the moon, along with the Lunarian FuSoYa, to redeem himself of his bloodstained past. Cecil and his friends cannot leave them to go alone, however. They hurry to the Lunar Whale, the only vessel that can take them to the moon, in an attempt to follow Golbez.
But it seems Golbez and FuSoYa have been stopped in their tracks by a plot hole...
FuSoYa: If I may ask, Golbez, how are you going to get us to the moon without the use of the Lunar Whale?
Golbez: That's easy, you old fool, we just have to... err...
FuSoYa: Evidently, you let Zemus do the thinking when you were under his control.
Golbez: Hmph. We'll just have to get there before Cecil and company take off with the intent of helping us. Although I'd hoped not to involve him any more...
Later, at the Lunar Whale, Cecil, Kain, and the Ninja Edge were planning on leaving to go fight Zemus alone. However, Rosa, Cecil's love interest and a White Mage, and Rydia, a Summoner, would have nothing of it. They argued for hours over the topic, and soon Cecil's other friends arrived, with the intent of helping. One by one, Yang the Monk, Edward the Bard, Cid the Engineer, and the Twin Mages Palom and Porom arrived. By the time the argument had ended, Golbez and FuSoYa had showed up as well. Now all of them would go to the moon, and defeat Zemus. With 12 of the world's greatest warriors, there was no way he would stand a chance! But Zemus, of course, had other plans...
They all went up to the command deck in order to start up the ship. But as soon as they arrived, they noticed that the Crystal which would teleport them to the moon had been shattered! Someone, undoubtedly under the control of Zemus, had sabotaged their plan! Now they would have to use the backup engine, which, despite being more powerful than any airship's engine, would take them several days to get to the moon. During the long trip, the one under Zemus' control would probably try to pick them off, one by one. If the heroes were going to live to see their arrival at the moon, they would have to take matters into their own hands and find the saboteur.
Characters:
Cecil
Kain
Rosa
Rydia
Edge
Yang
Edward
Cid
Palom
Porom
FuSoYa
Golbez
Players:
Askthepizzaguy
Warmaster Horus
Quintus.JC
Tiberius of the Drake
shlin28
El Diablo
Elite Ferret
FactionHeir
Aries777777
glyphz
Caius
Each character will have a special ability that they'll be able to use to the advantage of their side.
I would ask that the saboteur and anyone who has an active ability email me at Chaotix2732@yahoo.com instead of pm-ing me, in order to prevent people from trying to catch the saboteur that way.
There will be 1, or possibly 2 saboteurs, 1 vigilante, and the rest are 'town'.
Private reveals are not allowed.
Abstaining from vote is not allowed.
Quoting pms, from me or anyone else, is not allowed.
The dead can not post.
Each phase will last 24 hours, if I am on time.
The game will start with a day phase.
I ask that you post in order to sign up, and feel free to ask me questions or make suggestions, because this is my first time hosting a game. I would also appreciate it if the people who signed up by pm also posted here before the game starts. Thanks!
Also:
-Although it is true that Golbez and Kain were once under Zemus' control, the saboteur could be anyone. There is no greater chance that it will be one of those two than any other, although it is still possible.
-Your character may be a girl. Please don't cry. I'm picking them all randomly. :grin:
Signups Closed.
Caius has been added, making 11 players to start.
Quintus.JC
08-27-2008, 19:53
In.
Warmaster Horus
08-27-2008, 20:12
In.
Whew. Sorry about that. Writing an hours worth twice is definitely not fun. In any case, the full intro and rules are up!
IN!
Interesting... saboteur(s) in a (air)ship... :devilish:... wonder where have I heard this before...
El Diablo
08-27-2008, 20:57
In - although I am often have limited access to inter-web-thingee on the weekends.
If this will be an issue then please take me off the list...
ED
Thats fine, El Diablo, although you may miss a vote or an ability-usage, you'll have to understand. I won't WoG you or anything, though.
Interested Players:
Askthepizzaguy
Warmaster Horus
Quintus.JC
Tiberius of the Drake
shlin28
El Diablo
ooooooooo, in.
FactionHeir
08-27-2008, 22:38
:yes:
So if someone doesn't vote, they get WoGed since abstain isn't allowed?
If it happens more than once and you don't have an excuse, yes, I might just WoG you. Does this mean you're playing, FactionHeir?
Alright, guys, we still need 3 people before we can start. I may have convinced one....
Tiberius of the Drake
08-28-2008, 23:07
Innage
FactionHeir
08-29-2008, 01:42
3-2 = 2? :inquisitive:
No, Tiberius was on the list from the beginning because he returned my pm and asked to be signed up. Only Aries is really a 'new' signup.
IN
Let's get this started before "Spirit'" sign-up finishes:smash:
edit: oh wait, there's 1 more seat to be filled. Oops
Yes, I was also hoping that I could start this game before I go back to school in a week or so. :laugh4:
I'm glad that I'm getting some people that I didn't pm to join.
Askthepizzaguy
08-30-2008, 03:07
I am in, of course.
Wha- Why?? There's only one more slot to fill. Why are you dropping out, if I may ask?
Edit: I was really hoping to play with the full cast of FFIV, but if I'm not gaining players and starting to lose them, I may have to make some changes and start with 10 people. Regardless of how many people I have, I'm starting the game 16 hours from now, which is 12 PM EST.
I am sending out role pm's now. There will be 10 people in the game.
Role PMs are all sent. Let the Games begin. It starts with a Day Phase, so get voting!
Cid fired up the Lunar Whale's backup engines, and the 12 heroes set off. Or so they thought...
After a while they realized that Edge and Yang were missing. Zemus's minion must have thrown them overboard just before they took off! Now there were only 10 heroes, and at least one them was controlled by Zemus, and still on board, waiting for the night to kill them all...
And so Day 1 begins.
Still Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Warmaster Horus
Quintus.JC
Tiberius of the Drake
shlin28
El Diablo
Elite Ferret
FactionHeir
Aries777777
glyphz
Day 1 will end 24 hours from now.
FactionHeir
08-31-2008, 18:00
vote: Aries
Welcome to mafia.
Vote: Faction Heir
I dont really have a reason as everyones a suspect at this stage, but i thought i'd return the favour,
Don't no why but Glyphz just sounds a tad shady, maybe because its a similiar name to golbez, who should always be suspected, my vote is not final yet....i must root out who i believe to be dangerous, and bring them to the light!
vote:Askthepizzaguy
He is the most evil person at the org, he must be mafia.
El Diablo
08-31-2008, 21:14
If we are going to get into this whole "name sounds evil/dodgy/scummy" I am going to go get my coat now....
Vote glyphz - his name sounds evil(er)
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Sorry had to do that.
Aries, we use to vote someone because he or she is newbie in the .org mafia.
Vote:WH
Aries, we use to vote someone because he or she is newbie in the .org mafia.
Vote:WH
thanks for avoiding me then :sweatdrop:, but just in case... :hide:
Err... Caius, you're not in this game. I guess I could put you in it if you want, since it is only the beginning, and there were still 2 slots open.
Quintus.JC
08-31-2008, 21:30
Vote: Tiberius of the Drake :shrug:
I would vote abstain but that's not allowed.
I know private reveal isn't allowed and I know I'm not allowed to quote PMs, but is public reveal allowed?
Err... Caius, you're not in this game. I guess I could put you in it if you want, since it is only the beginning, and there were still 2 slots open.
I am not playing in this game... I fooled everyone!
I did not realized that... :shame:
Public reveal is indeed allowed, although it's obviously sometimes not a good idea. But if you want to reveal your character, go ahead.
If we are going to get into this whole "name sounds evil/dodgy/scummy" I am going to go get my coat now....
Vote glyphz - his name sounds evil(er)
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Sorry had to do that.
Mine's more evil you say... :mellow:
I don't have a vote yet, but a tally will do for now
1 vote:
Aries7s (FH)
FactionHeir (Aries7s)
AskThePizzaGuy (Elite Ferret)
glyphz (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake (Quintus.JC)
Quintus.JC
08-31-2008, 21:38
I am FuSoYa, the guardian of the Lunarians.......
I am revealing myself because surprisingly I have 3 extra lives, 'the strong Lunarian blood flowing in your veins' has made me somewhat into an invincible character. I'm still vulnerable to lynches but the mafia can forget about trying to murder me.
Unless anyone else claims to be FuSoYu then I think everyone can be positive certain that I am not lying.
Caius is now in.
He could be town or mafia.
As the Lunar Whale took off, the heroes inside were already arguing with each other about who they thought was guilty. They did not realize the figure clinging onto the bottom of the spacecraft. The shadowy figure made his way inside of the Lunar Whale, and to everyone's surprise, showed up in the main hall.
FactionHeir
08-31-2008, 22:13
Shadowy?
unvote: Aries. vote: Caius
Vote: Elite Ferret
Your old username sounds cooler.
It was fun for a time, then everyone started calling me Elite Turkey... :brood:
Quintus.JC
08-31-2008, 22:40
It was fun for a time, then everyone started calling me Elite Turkey... :brood:
Everyone? ~:idea:
from what i gather on mafia games, the first turn is really hit an' miss
unvote:faction heir
still dont no who to vote for, lynchings a serious matter
and this shadowy figure should explain themselves, an unknown person comes in from no where? my guess is hes a spy, or maybe something worse...
hmmm...caius must be edge or yang by the looks of it, unless choatix changed peoples roles around...?
Shadowy?
Would that mean he's Edge? Or maybe Yang?
Either way he's a protagonist in the original, but his allegiance is unknown here.
Anyway, I'd like to chat with the 'ladies' here, but ...but I don't know who they are? *sigh*
Clarification of the Rules:
Before anyone dies and starts talking, let it be known that the dead cannot post.
I am FuSoYa, the guardian of the Lunarians.......
I am revealing myself because surprisingly I have 3 extra lives, 'the strong Lunarian blood flowing in your veins' has made me somewhat into an invincible character. I'm still vulnerable to lynches but the mafia can forget about trying to murder me.
Unless anyone else claims to be FuSoYu then I think everyone can be positive certain that I am not lying.
Why would you do such a thing?
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 06:32
Ok, let's work this out together, shall we?
______________________________
Day one: Blind lynch
Night one: murder, vigilante killing
3 dead, 8 remain
______________________ Follow me so far?
Day two: Blind lynch
Night two: murder, vigilante killing (if the vigilante still lives)
6 dead, 5 remain
_______________________ This will happen, most likely. Unless we tie up the votes. DONT tie the votes unless it can kill two suspects on the final night.
Day three: Blind lynch
Night three: murder, vigilante killing (if the vigilante still lives)
9 (most likely) dead, 2 remain.
Victory conditions achieved for town or Mafia, because either Mafia are all dead, or one is left to kill the remaining townie, which means town loses.
We only get three shots at this, unless we accidentally kill the vigilante. And since Quintus claimed he is immune to 3 murders/kills (but not lynchings), it is likely impossible for Mafia to kill Quintus. Only town can kill Quintus, in most likely scenarios. That means either Mafia wants him dead, or he IS the Mafia.
Which means either my reasoning sucks, Chaotix came up with some very exotic rules where normal mafia logic doesn't apply, or Quintus is the Mafia and trying to trick us, or Quintus is town and just pulled a Spartan. Hurting his own team when trying to help them.
In any case, I suggest that he has hurt whichever side he is on, and therefore should be lynched. And unfortunately I should be lynched on night two or three, because I suggested it.
:no:
If he is telling the truth, then Mafia wants Quintus dead and only town can deliver it. If he is lying, he must be lynched. If Quintus dies and the game continues, then I have to be lynched or vigilante killed next turn or the turn after to be on the safe side.
I don't suppose it would help town if I tell them I am a townie. Sigh... :wall:
I know for sure I am town, but you guys don't. That means if I am wrong, not only am I responsible for bandwagoning an innocent player with a good townie skill, but also responsible for my own lynching, which doesn't help town either.
:wall:
Still, I can think of NO situation where Quintus' reveal helps town, or even his own side.
IF: Quintus is town:
He just told mafia not to kill him, which would waste their kill. WHY???
He just told town something which would make him seem suspicious, so we kill him. WHY???
IF: Quintus is mafia:
He just said something which makes him appear VERY guilty. WHY???
He told town the ONLY WAY TO KILL HIM is to lynch him. WHY???
IF: Quintus is town, but made an error in revealing:
Then Quintus is hurting town, and is a bad townie, and we need good townies to survive. Lynch.
IF: Quintus is mafia, but made an error in revealing:
Then Quintus is a bad mafia, and he's hurting mafia's side. And a mafia would not intentionally do that. But it helps town to eliminate him. Lynch.
_________________________________
Is there any case where the reveal helps town?
Now, here is an exotic idea:
Imagine Quintus is Mafia, but IMMUNE TO LYNCHINGS! He can only be killed by the vigilante, let's say.
Even so, his reveal makes him suspicious and people will vote for him. This will end up with the following result: Either he doesnt die, proving he lied and is therefore scum and can only be killed by the vigilante, or he doesn't die and everyone who voted for him died. Then the vigilante HAS to kill him next turn or else town loses.
Conclusion:
Even in this farfetched scenario, nothing Quintus is doing is helping his own team, and therefore should be lynched by town AND killed by any mafia teammates he has, just to be on the safe side.
And finally I could be on a wild goose chase here, but I think the reasoning holds up.
Vote: Quintus.JC
Sorry, buddy.
And Town, if I am wrong, I'm very sorry. :wall:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 06:55
Sorry for the double post, but am I missing something? Everyone please look at my reasoning, and QJC, feel free to refute. WHY would you do what you did? We have roughly 10 hours to work this out.
I'm not sure how Quintus.JC's reveal even help the town.
The mafia won't be wasting one night now trying to kill Quintus, since he knows who he is, which renders his ability somewhat useless...
If he's indeed good (a mystery, but no one's challenging his claim to be Fusoya), it'd be a waste lynching him.
Indeed, do you mind telling why you revealed, Quintus?
1 vote:
Caius (FH)
Quintus.JC (AskThePizzaGuy)
AskThePizzaGuy (Elite Ferret)
glyphz (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake (Quintus.JC)
Elite Ferret (shlin28)
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 07:33
We need to eliminate the very large tie that we have. Someone should add a vote to an existing candidate, or explain why any of those not being voted on are more suspicious than the existing candidates, and why.
1 vote:
Caius (FH)
Quintus.JC (AskThePizzaGuy)
AskThePizzaGuy (Elite Ferret)
glyphz (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake (Quintus.JC)
Elite Ferret (shlin28)
If many would agree that we should test Quintus if he's telling the truth (ATPG's suggestion) i'll put my vote on him.
(since this is Rnd 1, and the most random of lynchings ...revealing this early will only attract unwanted attention)
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 08:00
About 8 hours or so to go... too bad everyone is asleep.
I wish day phase was longer. Everyone really needs to see this debate.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 08:56
I revealed because I don't want to be lynched...
Okay, maybe I'm a bad townie then, but definitely not a bad mafia. Please don't lynch me, let the vigilante have his go, if I am able to survive his attack then it should prove my innocence, because clearly the mafia wouldn't need 3 lives.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 09:10
Sorry, I don't believe ya. You had no reason to fear a lynch because no one was voting for you, and you have no reason to fear a lynch anyway if you're town. Townies should never fear a lynch, even if they had a super massive uber awesome special ultra cool talent like yours.
Town will survive without you, I am sure. :yes:
I'm town and I have uber pwnage hidden talents too but I'm not going to care if town lynches me. :smash:
I revealed because I don't want to be lynched...
Okay, maybe I'm a bad townie then, but definitely not a bad mafia. Please don't lynch me, let the vigilante have his go, if I am able to survive his attack then it should prove my innocence, because clearly the mafia wouldn't need 3 lives.
I'm sure you're aware that everyone, even the mafia, does not wish to be offed. Your revelation, on Day 1 no less, has likely put you on top of others' suspicious list, including mine.
Night's calling and I was just about to place my (permanent) vote on you, just before I head to bed.
I'm open to have the vigilante have a go at you, and hope that s/he actually does, but that does not mean that s/he will.
Thus, for now Vote: Quintus.JC. (temporary)
I'll (begrudgingly) try to wake up prior to the deadline, and make any changes if there's a need to do so.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 09:17
Let the Viglante have his go, don't lynch me. I'm only trying to make this show entertaining.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 09:21
I would disagree with my good friend glyphz, here...
we should have separate lynch and vigilante kills, because if we are right with one the other will be wasted. If Quintus survives tonight we lynch/vigilante (whichever didnt happen today) tomorrow.
3 anti-murders is teh ubor pwnage. At this point, if Quintus isn't the real saboteur, then the sabateur could jump up and down and say "I'm the saboteur" and I would still find it less suspicious.
:laugh2:
sorry to put an indelicate point on it, but thats how I feel.
EDIT/ADD: Dont waste a vigilante on Quintus if we're voting him, please.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 09:26
You shouldn't waste an vote on me if you're gonna set the viligante on me. I'm inviting him/her!!!
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 09:31
Quintus, didn't you just reveal that you have 3 lives and, basically, that only lynches can kill you? Now you're asking us to waste a vigilante on you.
either you're lying or asking us to waste a lynch on a 3 day mafia game. We only have 3 shots. Even if we are right that you're the killer we cannot afford to waste a vote and a lynch on you in one day.
I suppose we could vigilante you tonight and lynch you tomorrow, but even so you'll be dead and that takes twice as long. I don't see the point. Either we let you live entirely or we lynch you now.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 09:33
I suppose we could vigilante you tonight and lynch you tomorrow, but even so you'll be dead and that takes twice as long. I don't see the point. Either we let you live entirely or we lynch you now.
Well, if you're asking me we should let myself live entirely. I'm 'armless I swear.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 09:37
Well, if you're asking me we should let myself live entirely. I'm 'armless I swear.
Oooohhh he's 'armless, he swears. Well no one ever lied before in a mafia game. That cinches it. He's innocent folks.
Note how he said 'armless, not "harmless". I say hes an armless saboteur.
:clown:
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 09:41
Oooohhh he's 'armless, he swears. Well no one ever lied before in a mafia game. That cinches it. He's innocent folks.
Note how he said 'armless, not "harmless". I say hes an armless saboteur.
:clown:
That was just an abbreviation, I was supposed to say harmless, anyway how can I kill people if I'm armless. Do you really think a mafia would be that dumb into attracting this much attention on himself this early on? People should know when I'm the mafia I was never like that.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 09:50
So that begs the question;
Why ARE you attracting this much attention to yourself this early on?
Also, if I made a mistake and people pointed it out, one of my defenses would be "Do you really think I'd be THAT dumb?"
I suppose we can have the investigator check you out to see if you're clean, and wait until tomorrow to turn you into Quintus.JCrispy. I hate to waste a turn on that, though, seeing as you reek of scummy goodness. My vote stands as is. I suppose the other townies can decide your fate. As long as we dont waste an investigation, vigilante kill, or lynch by having two or more against the same person, I'm happy.
You just seem to be panicking at the thought of a lynch. I think this smiley looks like you: :sweatdrop:
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 09:55
Give me another chance... pretty please. :saint:
What time zone are you in?
We still got more than 7 hours to interrogate you... so you better make up lots of excuses :devilish:
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 09:58
What time zone are you in?
We still got more than 7 hours to interrogate you... so you better make up lots of excuses :devilish:
My location is written on my location. GMT
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 09:59
Give me another chance... pretty please. :saint:
:laugh4:
I think you're trying to convince me you ARE the saboteur now. There's no other explanation for this weak defense. I haven't been following your mafia games but I've been told by reliable sources that you're good. Better than this.
Sorry, Quintus. You know I say this with all due love and respect:
Burn the scumbag!
:smash:
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 10:04
:laugh4:
I think you're trying to convince me you ARE the saboteur now. There's no other explanation for this weak defense. I haven't been following your mafia games but I've been told by reliable sources that you're good. Better than this.
Sorry, Quintus. You know I say this with all due love and respect:
Burn the scumbag!
:smash:
Good or not I've never been lynched in the first round. I'd hope to continue my good record, let the detective and the viglante have their share of work.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 10:07
Good or not I've never been lynched in the first round. I'd hope to continue my good record, let the detective and the viglante have their share of work.
I'm flabbergasted. Are you trying to keep yourself alive for one more turn, or trying to help town win the game? You're talking about your record, which is a ego-serving and entirely off-topic red herring.
By the way, have you heard about my duel record and my blitzmaster title? :clown:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/converse.php?u=27925&u2=23872
Let's take our little chit-chat public.
If you wish to defend yourself, enlighten me. What was your strategy? Assuming you're clean, why would you help the mafia by telling them not to bother wasting kills on you? Assuming you're clean, why would you distract town by saying something so suspicious? Just plain old misspeaking? Or is there a sinister motive behind all this?
Warmaster Horus
09-01-2008, 10:09
Anybody who uses an angel with a halo in mafia games is trying to be too innocent.
Vote:Quintus.JC
Good or not I've never been lynched in the first round. I'd hope to continue my good record, let the detective and the viglante have their share of work.
Bah, getting lynched on the first round is fun, I did it lots of times :yes:
The way I see it, you shouldn't have revealed yourself, as if the mafia attacked you you would have survived, and thus flummoxing the mafia, thus giving town a chance as they potentially waste another kill on you as they think you got some special role.
Thus, Unvote: Elite Ferret
But I'm not gonna vote Quintus.JC yet as I just saw WH's vote and I do not want to be the bandwagonner...
Edit: Spelling
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 10:42
So no second chance then? :embarassed:
your severe want to be saved shows you arent noble and fearless, as a good townie should be, but i may give you the benifit of the doubt
vote:Caius
his shadowly figure and lack of interest in convosation is worrying, especially when no one else has pointed this out in the whole Quintus J.C scenario
tally
Quintus.JC, 3 votes (AskThePizzaGuy) (WH) (Glyphz)
Caius, 2 votes (FH) (aries)
AskThePizzaGuy, 1 vote (Elite Ferret)
glyphz, 1 vote (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake, 1 vote (Quintus.JC)
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 13:25
Come on people, give me the benifit of the doubt and let the vigilante and the detective to decide wether I'm the mafia or not.
I don't think QJC is guilty, while I was very impressed with ATPG's analysis I have been paired with QJC as mafia before and he didn't behave at all like this, then when he knew he was going to die he accepted it and admitted he was mafia and when he was alive he did not make up any reveals or make any false claims, but actually tried to help the town, posted good reasoning albeit leaving himself and I off because we were actually guilty, I urge you not to lynch him, he is not acting like mafia.
there are only a few hours left, unless theres an extention if shlin, tiberius or caius are online, you might want to do your vote before the time expires...
So... Other than Quintus, what other lead do we have?
Who would be a better Rnd1 lynch vote?
Quintus.JC, if you cannot put up a better defense, I cannot unvote you...
The only alternative I can think of is, to give us a name...
Who do you think is more deserving of getting lynched?
Who else should we be more suspicious of? Why?
So far, you voted for Tiberius of the Drake. Why do you vote against him?
Vote: Quintus
I have heard enough :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 15:01
So far I see a very weak defense from Quintus, basically urging people to lynch him due to the lack of any case whatsoever. He doesn't even respond to my point that lynching him would waste a precious move, as he has already claimed thats ineffective. He has no other suspects.
Then I see a defense of Quintus by Elite Ferret. This makes me suspicious of Elite Ferret because it all boils down to: "I vouch for Quintus. Take my word for it. Have I ever steered you wrong?"
Sorry, EF, but I don't buy your arguments either. You cannot know if Quintus is innocent, so why are you defending him unless you're also a sabateur and you happen to know he's guilty? Private role reveals are not allowed.
I cannot change my vote, and I urge people to hang Quintus. Then I have to FoS: Elite Ferret for suspicious defense of the one known as QJC.
I really hope I am not wrong, because if I am... sigh.... town made a boo-boo. :wall:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 15:10
hmmmm.... On second thought I believe there is a case to be made against Caius, as I argued with glyphs earlier last night, it would be the perfect place to sneak in a very unsuspicious character to be the second sabateur.
Why lynch just one suspect when we only have 3 nights, and on the final day the remaining player gets murdered anyway?
I call for a double lynch, Caius and Quintus. This will double town's chances of catching the scumbag, and it will NOT reduce their chances of winning at all by even one night. Work it out on paper.
This is the only instance where I would condone a double-lynch.
unvote: Quintus
Vote: Caius
Tally:
Quintus.JC, 3 votes (Shlin) (WH) (Glyphz)
Caius, 3 votes (FH) (aries) (ATPG)
AskThePizzaGuy, 1 vote (Elite Ferret)
glyphz, 1 vote (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake, 1 vote (Quintus.JC)
Do we even know we can have a double lynch?
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 15:14
usually in mafia games, if town is undecided between two top candidates, the moderator lynches both. I see no reason why he would not, unless of course, as in my game, all town ever did was double lynch.
But if Chaotix will rule on whether or not we can double lynch, that would be great.
In most small games I have played if there is a tie there is an extension of 24 hours to decide which one gets lynched :book:
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 15:19
Grrr....
That sucks. Maybe I should have done that for my game. Would have lasted longer that way.
Ok, well if we cannot double lynch, I'll keep my vote floating until I see the final score. Quintus is my top suspect and I don't want Caius to go down before Quintus does.
unvote: Caius
tally:
Quintus.JC, 3 votes (Shlin) (WH) (Glyphz)
Caius, 2 votes (FH) (aries)
AskThePizzaGuy, 1 vote (Elite Ferret)
glyphz, 1 vote (El Diablo)
Tiberius of the Drake, 1 vote (Quintus.JC)
So far I see a very weak defense from Quintus, basically urging people to lynch him due to the lack of any case whatsoever. He doesn't even respond to my point that lynching him would waste a precious move, as he has already claimed thats ineffective. He has no other suspects.
Then I see a defense of Quintus by Elite Ferret. This makes me suspicious of Elite Ferret because it all boils down to: "I vouch for Quintus. Take my word for it. Have I ever steered you wrong?"
Sorry, EF, but I don't buy your arguments either. You cannot know if Quintus is innocent, so why are you defending him unless you're also a sabateur and you happen to know he's guilty? Private role reveals are not allowed.
I cannot change my vote, and I urge people to hang Quintus. Then I have to FoS: Elite Ferret for suspicious defense of the one known as QJC.
I really hope I am not wrong, because if I am... sigh.... town made a boo-boo. :wall:
APTG, I've played enough mafia games to not make myself look obviously guilty by defending a guilty looking person with no cause, after playing with him before I genuinely believe he is innocent despite having had no personal contact or anything, I think his role is the one he claims, he could even be an important pro town person that Chaotix didn't want murdered quickly so gave more lives. I don't know, my gut says he's innocent.
I'm gonna keep my vote on you just because I can't abstain, no reason other than that.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 15:36
I think that's a wasted vote, unless town wanted to lynch me this turn.
If you don't think it's Quintus, but you have no case against me, whom else would you suspect? If you don't try a little harder to build a case, that just seems suspicious to me.
:no:
That being said, I am not going to harass you about it. I already told you why.
:yes:
unFoS: Elite Ferret
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 15:53
Time check:
Yesterday: 11:41
Today: 9:53
Hurry up, town. We have two lurkers who are likely to get WOC'ed
What does that mean? :dizzy2:
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 15:55
That was an inspiring speech Elite Ferret... :bigcry:
Okay in my defence:
-I voted Tiberius because I can't abstain, I voted for him because he obviously weren't getting lynched, so my vote wouldn't of made a difference anyway.
-I have made no personal contact with Elite Ferret, he is defending me because this isn't my normal pattern as mafia. He partnered me in a previous game which ended in mafia victory, both of us did relatively well and I wasn't as sloppy as in this game. I was also the mafia in Fenring's Soviet Mafia and got to the end without exposing myself too much. I'll make this clear: Elite Ferret and me had no contact at all about this game
-If I were the mafia then I'd probably get the worst mafia award or something, because this definitely isn't what a mafia is suppose to do, get notiched by everyone else and getting him as much attention as possible. In all my previoius games I kept a low profile or at least acted normal. This really isn't how I'd play if I was the mafia.
-I already made my reveal. If the town don't believe they can test it out, get the vigilante to murder me or set the detective to investigate me. I confessed my role to the whole crew and now you all want to lynch me without giving me a trial. Tryout my ability first then lynch me if you still think I'm the mafia.
-The bit about being a noble townie and not afraid of being lynched. I thought the whole point of the game was to survive till the end, whether you're townie or not. I don't see the point of myself just saying 'go ahead and lynch me because I'm just a simple townie and wouldn't make a difference' would help you people to believe me.
-I don't have any particular suspect because it's only the first day of the game, the only person attracted enough attention on themselves was me (with the bad reveal) and Caius (being the last one to board the vessel). With private reveal banned I don't think anybody else have any idea who the mafia is either.
People have accused me of lying about my reveal, so I urge you to spare me of this day and let the detective and the vigilante on me, the detective will find me innocent or unclear, and the vigilante will blast off an extra life off me but that shouldn't do much harm. Let me live through today and I'll prove my innocence.
Unvote: Tiberus the Drake
Vote: Caius
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 16:00
I'm not going down without a fight...
i do think while atpg's analyze was detailed and clever, it may of been a little hasty, im beginning to see your point of view, i hope choatix will be here soon to stop our wait, which will probably decide how i vote from then on wards
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 16:09
What does that mean? :dizzy2:
Wrath of Chaotix'ed.
WOG'ed. Or, perhaps for no reason, Wrath of Caius. :laugh2:
That was an inspiring speech Elite Ferret... :bigcry:
Okay in my defence:
-I voted Tiberius because I can't abstain, I voted for him because he obviously weren't getting lynched, so my vote wouldn't of made a difference anyway.
Sounds fair.
-I have made no personal contact with Elite Ferret, he is defending me because this isn't my normal pattern as mafia. He partnered me in a previous game which ended in mafia victory, both of us did relatively well and I wasn't as sloppy as in this game. I was also the mafia in Fenring's Soviet Mafia and got to the end without exposing myself too much. I'll make this clear: Elite Ferret and me had no contact at all about this game
That one I don't buy. For reason stated below.
-If I were the mafia then I'd probably get the worst mafia award or something, because this definitely isn't what a mafia is suppose to do, get notiched by everyone else and getting him as much attention as possible. In all my previoius games I kept a low profile or at least acted normal. This really isn't how I'd play if I was the mafia.
Maybe so, but it isn't how you should play as town either. And if you've been mafia several times, you might try different strategies, so you can defend yourself by saying "I was mafia before and didn't act this way."
You're vouching for your own character, which is the same as giving your personal guarantee you're innocent in a game of lies. So I can't buy this argument.
I already made my reveal. If the town don't believe they can test it out, get the vigilante to murder me or set the detective to investigate me. I confessed my role to the whole crew and now you all want to lynch me without giving me a trial. Tryout my ability first then lynch me if you still think I'm the mafia.
This sounds more reasonable.
-The bit about being a noble townie and not afraid of being lynched. I thought the whole point of the game was to survive till the end, whether you're townie or not. I don't see the point of myself just saying 'go ahead and lynch me because I'm just a simple townie and wouldn't make a difference' would help you people to believe me.
Wrong. The point of the game for Town is to lynch the saboteur. It is not a victory condition if you survive the game unless you're scum. Are you scum, QJC?
-I don't have any particular suspect because it's only the first day of the game, the only person attracted enough attention on themselves was me (with the bad reveal) and Caius (being the last one to board the vessel). With private reveal banned I don't think anybody else have any idea who the mafia is either.
Reasonable. I'd agree with that.
People have accused me of lying about my reveal, so I urge you to spare me of this day and let the detective and the vigilante on me, the detective will find me innocent or unclear, and the vigilante will blast off an extra life off me but that shouldn't do much harm. Let me live through today and I'll prove my innocence.
Fair enough, BUT! We should NOT use both the detective and the vigilante on you at the same time.
I PUBLICLY CALL FOR A STAY OF EXECUTION ON QUINTUS, AND WHOMEVER IS THE VIGILANTE NOT TO KILL QUINTUS. I PUBLICLY CALL FOR THE INVESTIGATOR TO CHECK QJC THIS TURN.
Vote: Caius
Let's tie up the late joinee loose end. And QJC will be revealed innocent or guilty next turn.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 16:12
Running tally:
Caius, 4 votes (FH) (aries) (ATPG) (QJC)
Quintus.JC, 3 votes (Shlin) (WH) (Glyphz)
AskThePizzaGuy, 1 vote (Elite Ferret)
glyphz, 1 vote (El Diablo)
I repeat my call for Caius' head unless he comes up with a brilliant reason why he's not suspicious for joining late.
Caius lives in Argentina... timezone-wise he cannot defend himself at the moment (well, some people at that timezone can be online right now, but obvious not everyone spends their time on the .org in the morning)
Well now...
I'd guess, the 'real' Quintus.JC has come out.
Can't say, however, if everything you said is the truth.
I'd probably be more open to unvote you now (compared to say, before I went to bed),
and instead vote for someone else, say,
i.e. someone who hasn't posted yet, since signing up.
(I don't feel like voting against Caius just yet, though ...on the matter that if there's only 1 mafia. If 2, I would suspect him).
My only condition is that changing my vote counts. I don't want to change my vote, from Quintus to Person A, if it ends up not lynching Person A.
edit: can someone post what exact time is the deadline? (GMT might be nice) as it would be a hassle if I can't change my vote on time
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 16:25
I live in florida, USA. Argentina is in the same time zone, I think. I'm up at 11 am for this game... usually I sleep in on days off.
But yeah if Caius is innocent we won't know until tomorrow, because he isn't online it seems.
:wall:
Town, watch for late vote changes... the one or two sabateurs could band together and affect the lynch outcome if we targeted one of the guilty parties.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 16:28
Yesterday: 11:41 (according to the org clock)
Now: 10:28 (the org clock)
We have an hour and ten minutes, approx
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 16:35
Fair enough, BUT! We should NOT use both the detective and the vigilante on you at the same time.
I PUBLICLY CALL FOR A STAY OF EXECUTION ON QUINTUS, AND WHOMEVER IS THE VIGILANTE NOT TO KILL QUINTUS. I PUBLICLY CALL FOR THE INVESTIGATOR TO CHECK QJC THIS TURN.
I don't think setting the investigator on me is a good idea, for the following reasons:
First let me make this clear that I only saying this for the town's sake and not because I'm afraid of being found out or anything.
-Firstly I'm not sure if we even have an investigator
There will be 1, or possibly 2 saboteurs, 1 vigilante, and the rest are 'town'.
Private reveals are not allowed.
Abstaining from vote is not allowed.
Quoting pms, from me or anyone else, is not allowed.
The dead can not post.
Each phase will last 24 hours, if I am on time.
The game will start with a day phase.
-Secondly there will be a fair chance of him finding me to be 'unclear', and I doubt the town will take anything short of innocent to think me as innocent.
-Finally, and most importantly. If we do have an investigator then I'm positive there is only one investigator. Since private reveal isn't allowed then the only way he could pronouce my innocence is by saying: "Hello everyone, I'm ***** the detective, I've investigated QJC and found him innocent. Ta". And as we can expect, we'll find the detective dead the very next day. There is no way the detective can reveal whether I'm innocent or not without exposing himself, and therefore putting himself in the hands of the mafia, it isn't worth the investigator's life just to prove whether I'm innocent. So I think the best way to prove me not lying is to send the vigilante on me, the advantages of that are:
-It's still Night 1, the chance of killing the mafia is very, very low. The vigilante could only have a blind guess and the chances are that he'll end up killing an innocent townie because there are more townies than scums. So the vigilante might as well deal with me on Night 1, so that no innocent townie is put in danger.
-Vigilante will have a sure result, unlike investigators they won't have the chances of 'unclear' or as such. They will succed in attempting to kill me, they will NOT fail.
-The vigilante will be able to kill me without exposing himself, unlike the detective. All we need to see is Chaotix's right up to know what happend, but the detective have to publicly reveal himself, putting his live in danger.
-After surviving his attacks I will be left with 2 lifes, I think everyone should know that the host would not give the mafia an extra life because he would not need it, never mind 3 lives. So that would prove my innocence. None the less, if the town is still not statisified then they can set the vigilante on me two more times, though I doubt that would do much good for the town.
So I advise the investigator to drop his investigation and let the vigilante stretch his muscles before the real work needs to be done.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 16:37
Well now...
I'd guess, the 'real' Quintus.JC has come out.
Real? :inquisitive:
Whilst I agree with your points that the detective will be very vulerable, it seems to me that you are scared of the detective who will find you guilty whilst wanting to get attacked by the vig who you know will fail to kill you (ie. cos you are mafia and is invincible and stuff)
My vote stands :bow:
Real? :inquisitive:
Meaning, I find your recent posts very different from those that only read.... "Please don't lynch me! Please! I'm allergic to votes"
edit: Anyway, at the moment, you're not in the lead. That should be a sort of relief. Be thankful that many did not jump on you and even have someone personally try to defend you.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 16:44
Whilst I agree with your points that the detective will be very vulerable, it seems to me that you are scared of the detective who will find you guilty whilst wanting to get attacked by the vig who you know will fail to kill you (ie. cos you are mafia and is invincible and stuff)
My vote stands :bow:
The mafia cannot be invicible, there is no point of giving the mafia 3 extra lifes.
Still, if the detective want a challenge then go ahead. I have nothing to hide.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 16:44
I don't think setting the investigator on me is a good idea, for the following reasons:
First let me make this clear that I only saying this for the town's sake and not because I'm afraid of being found ouf or anything.
-Firstly I'm not sure if we even have an investigator
:wall:
Oh... jeez.... GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!! :smash:
-Secondly there will be a fair chance of him finding me to be 'unclear', and I doubt the town will take anything short of innocent to think me as innocent.
How would you know that unless you know there is an investigator?
-Finally, and most importantly. If we do have an investigator then I'm positive there is only one investigator. Since private reveal isn't allowed then the only way he could pronouce my innocence is by saying: "Hello everyone, I'm ***** the detective, I've investigated QJC and found him innocent. Ta". And as we can expect, we'll find the detective dead the very next day. There is no way the detective can reveal whether I'm innocent or not without exposing himself, and therefore putting himself in the hands of the mafia, it isn't worth the investigator's life just to prove whether I'm innocent. So I think the best way to prove me not lying is to send the vigilante on me, the advantages of that are:
Ummm..... How about the investigator just remains silent, then?
SO guilty.
-It's still Night 1, the chance of killing the mafia is very, very low. The vigilante could only have a blind guess and the chances are that he'll end up killing an innocent townie because there are more townies than scums. So the vigilante might as well deal with me on Night 1, so that no innocent townie is put in danger.
You just said that would be a waste of time. It makes no sense to do what you propose.
-Vigilante will have a sure result, unlike investigators they won't have the chances of 'unclear' or as such. They will succed in attempting to kill me, they will NOT fail.
What if you're right, and the vigilante can't kill you, but you can only be lynched? That still doesn't prove your innocence.
-The vigilante will be able to kill me without exposing himself, unlike the detective. All we need to see is Chaotix's right up to know what happend, but the detective have to publicly reveal himself, putting his live in danger.
I refer you to your own warning that it can't work. And I already showed you that the detective doesnt have to DO anything if youre innocent.
-After surviving his attacks I will be left with 2 lifes, I think everyone should know that the host would not give the mafia an extra life because he would not need it, never mind 3 lives. So that would prove my innocence. None the less, if the town is still not statisified then they can set the vigilante on me two more times, though I doubt that would do much good for the town.
That does NOT make any sense. You can suggest the mafia wouldnt need extra lives, but I contend that they are a great candidate for such a trait. ESPECIALLY IF THEY REVEAL IT ON TURN ONE.
So I advise the investigator to drop his investigation and let the vigilante stretch his muscles before the real work needs to be done.
Ignore him! This defense does not have the necessary underlying logic. He's not on the chopping block anyway, Caius is, and the investigation will see him innocent or guilty.
From what he's saying, I think he's guilty. We shall soon find out.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 16:47
Then its settled. The investigator will investigated me on Night 1. If I am innocent then the investigator will remain silent. If I am actually guilty then he will hurry his result and making it public, ending my miserable existence for good.
Hear that Mr. Investigator, it's up to you to prove my innocents, good luck.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 16:54
Meaning, I find your recent posts very different from those that only read.... "Please don't lynch me! Please! I'm allergic to votes"
Ah, so its reasons you want, that I can give, plus plenty more.
So everyone is happy with the agreement then?
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 16:56
Askthepizzaguy
add_trait: aggressive prosecutor
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 17:00
Quintus JC.
Add trait:
Feels Unappreciated
Dwells on a belief that he is intentionally being treated poorly by his fellow townies.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 17:05
No, no... out of respect for your intellect and cunning, and the fact that the roles are random, and due to perhaps a minor misstatement, I personally suspect you're guilty and fighting vigorously for your life. It's not an insult or a lack of respect. it's a compliment. Town fears you.
Out of respect for you, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by asking town to stay the execution and asking the vigilante to lay off, while the investigator proves your innocence. We're using an investigation because we believe you.
If he does, then mafia can't kill you anyway. We win. And the investigator can stay alive, too! it's a win-win. Plus we get rid of Caius, the only other suspect with any reasoning behind it.
____________
I just realized I am acting as though town does my bidding. I'm not trying to... please accept my apologies. Nobody died and left me mayor. But someone needs to lead the prosecution side.
Ah, so its reasons you want, that I can give, plus plenty more.
So everyone is happy with the agreement then?
everyone? agreement? happy?!
i'm not sure about an 'agreement' being made, or if one has been agreed upon (esp. the 'vigilante' or the supposed 'detective')
'everyone' only refers to us active 'posting' at the moment, and those (while active) who decided to not join in this discussion.
if you wanted to make things entertaining, then you probably have. For spectators that is. To the town... so far, only a large head-ache. (<-- a)does not mean, i hold any bad feelings against you. this is supposed to be a game. b) i'm hoping, that perhaps your actions, N1, will end up helping the town in the long run c)Plus, i'm anxious to see the end of this round and get back to sleep)
yes you make a good leader, but it has to be emphasised that everyone is still a suspect at this stage, even you atpg, your quite a cunning fellow when need be i hear...:laugh4:
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 17:15
No, no... out of respect for your intellect and cunning, and the fact that the roles are random, and due to perhaps a minor misstatement, I personally suspect you're guilty and fighting vigorously for your life. It's not an insult or a lack of respect. it's a compliment. Town fears you.
Why I am very flattered, thanks for that. :sarcastic smile:
Out of respect for you, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt by asking town to stay the execution and asking the vigilante to lay off, while the investigator proves your innocence. We're using an investigation because we believe you.
That deserves a big, geniue thank you.
If he does, then mafia can't kill you anyway. We win. And the investigator can stay alive, too! it's a win-win. Plus we get rid of Caius, the only other suspect with any reasoning behind it.
I totally agree with you there, sounds like a plan.
if you wanted to make things entertaining, then you probably have. For spectators that is. To the town... so far, only a large head-ache.
Better than having a half-dead game. Besides it's not so bad, without my reveal the town would still be as headless as ever. And would of probably lynched some quiet, innocent fellow. With my reveal the town would know for sure that I am one of you by next round. That's one person off the list at least.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 17:17
yes you make a good leader, but it has to be emphasised that everyone is still a suspect at this stage, even you atpg, your quite a cunning fellow when need be i hear...
Yes, yes, I understand that standing up and speaking out will inevitably get my lynched or murdered. BUT! Town will do better if I still attempt to find the saboteur. Death comes to most townies... only the brave or those benefiting from pure, dumb luck will catch the saboteur.
It would be better if my reputation didn't precede me. But I have to remind everyone I don't get to choose my role. The scummiest M2TW player has to be townie most of the time.
*sigh*
If no new arguments is presented (and no vote changing happens)... Let the votes stand, and have Caius lynched then.
edit: The tally is the same as it was when it was last posted
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 17:24
I am keeping an eye on the scummy last minute vote changers, and lurker vote bandwagonners.
I would like any other active townies to please remain active so we can all lynch the person who tries to sneak in a "dont kill me, Chaotix" anti-WOG vote.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 17:27
Yes, yes, I understand that standing up and speaking out will inevitably get my lynched or murdered. BUT! Town will do better if I still attempt to find the saboteur. Death comes to most townies... only the brave or those benefiting from pure, dumb luck will catch the saboteur.
I've spoken my touge dry and look at whats happening to me, you ungratefuly bunch.
That being said I definitely isn't scared of being murdered since I'm pratically invincible, and I have an idea to propose to the town:
During the daytime we will vote for a lynch, but we can also vote for whom the town wants to be investigated. Like this:
Investigation: Quintus. JC
At the end of the day the person with the most votes will be investigated by the detective (we'll need his co-operation). When the next days comes, if the person being investigated is the innocent then the detective will be silent and continue to be anonymous, and if he does then we will know that the person is innocent and we could cross him off our suspcion list. And if the person investigated is guilty then the detective will go public and we'll get rid of the scum, how about that?
Yes, yes, I understand that standing up and speaking out will inevitably get my lynched or murdered. BUT! Town will do better if I still attempt to find the saboteur. Death comes to most townies... only the brave or those benefiting from pure, dumb luck will catch the saboteur.
It would be better if my reputation didn't precede me. But I have to remind everyone I don't get to choose my role. The scummiest M2TW player has to be townie most of the time.
your right...
anyway we have 15 minutes and it seems choatix may not make it intime, so we could be waiting a while...the murderer is among us but have no hard evidence to find them, even after this debate has concluded, who can really be suspected next? the descision will get harder and harder with undoubtedly townies being lynched in the process, perhaps we should think twice about who we lynch, caius' lack of contact is mysterious as was his late enterence, but with the little we no, he could have one of the most powerful abilities here, and there really is no way of knowing who is next, as when night falls, all of our votes and theorys could dissolve at our deaths, im still most suspicous of caius but im unsure of the consequences of lynching him...
I've spoken my touge dry and look at whats happening to me, you ungratefuly bunch.
That being said I definitely isn't scared of being murdered since I'm pratically invincible, and I have an idea to propose to the town:
During the daytime we will vote for a lynch, but we can also vote for whom the town wants to be investigated. Like this:
Investigation: Quintus. JC
At the end of the day the person with the most votes will be investigated by the detective (we'll need his co-operation). When the next days comes, if the person being investigated is the innocent then the detective will be silent and continue to be anonymous, and if he does then we will know that the person is innocent and we could cross him off our suspcion list. And if the person investigated is guilty then the detective will go public and we'll get rid of the scum, how about that?
would that not stil leave room for turncoats?
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 17:30
We have two lurkers.
If they don't post AND they survive a WOG, then we MUST assume they are guilty.
Surely they wont get WoGed by missing one turn? Most times its 3...
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 17:35
I'd then suspect single posters... less talking means less suspicious activity. The more people talk, the more they tell us about their scummy selves.
People who are interrogated are likely to make mistakes that show their guilt. Liars have to maintain their identity while being grilled like a chicken, and that's difficult. Inexperienced mafioso will likely crack under the pressure.
To avoid this, mafia tends to be quiet. So I suspect that more than anything. Even so, it's also possible that they are spooked by the idea of being a "too quiet" suspect, so they start talking and say something incriminating.
The more people talk, the better it is for town.
EDIT: Shlin, we likely have at most 3 or 4 nights. You can't not post more than once in this game and get away with it. Also, non-voting is specifically prohibited. They need to send in their votes/kills ahead of time or risk WOG.
Damn. I go to sleep after ATPG posts his big accusation and wake up now, and suddenly the thread has about a million more posts in it.
Anyway, I'm making the write-up now. Votes are closed.
3minutes... ok mayb not lol
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 17:39
would that not stil leave room for turncoats?
There's nothing we can do about turncoats, all we can do now is try to get the original mafias first.
There’s still plenty of chances for mistakes but there are a certain advantage to that:
Pro:
If the detective just simply investigate whomever he wants then only he knows who is innocent and who is not, but using my idea and with the co-operation of the detective the whole town will be able to know who is innocent if the detective keeps his silence. This way certain people will be cleared of suspicion.
Cons:
If the detective is murdered. And the mafia have no idea who the detective is, every time we ask for an investigation we will obviously get a silence because the detective is dead, so that doesn’t work out for the best.
If the detective refuses to co-operate, but then again that’s his problem.
Vote Tally:
Caius: 4
Quintus.JC: 3
Askthepizzaguy: 1
glyphz: 1
Warmaster Horus: 1
Tiberius did not vote. That's Strike One for you. Don't make me have to tell you how many strikes you need for a WoG, and you'll be fine.
Lynching:
The shadowy figure moved close enough for the heroes to see him. FuSoYa was the first to notice him.
"A fiend of Zemus! Slay him!" FuSoYa exclaimed. "Firaga!"
A huge jet of flame spewed forth from FuSoYa's fingertips, burning away the shadows that surrounded the figure. But when the dust cleared, there was no one standing in his place.
FuSoYa felt a tap on his shoulder. He turned instantly, shouting, "Thundaga!" and this time lightning shot out of his hands. But there was still no one there.
Suddenly a figure dropped from the ceiling, landing on the table the other heroes had only moments ago been sitting at. This time the figure discarded the smokescreen surrounding him, revealing Edge the Ninja underneath. "Hey, old man. Don't try that again, huh? You almost singed my hair there. So, how's it going, everyone?
The Results:
Still Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Warmaster Horus
Quintus.JC
Tiberius of the Drake
shlin28
El Diablo
Elite Ferret
FactionHeir
Aries777777
glyphz
Caius- survived one lynch.
Night 1 has begun.
I know the write up was a bit short. I'll try to make it a bit longer, next time.
Ah, so its reasons you want, that I can give, plus plenty more.
So everyone is happy with the agreement then?
No way, we don't know if there is a detective, if no one says anything it could be because no one has the role of detective, meaning you wouldn't have been investigated. The more you post the more scummy you look to me, I say we lynch him next round.
As for Caius again I don't think the mafia could survive a lynch, that would be a little unfair, so I say he is innocent, for now.
Epic.
Caius got some special role that can survive lynches? I doubt the mafia would have this ability, so I would say he is the serial killer or pro-town.
hmmm...i was unsure of its consequence, it seems caius will have time to talk now afterall...one faled lynch for probably the wrong person is only hindering towns chances, i hope the suspects will become more clear on the next day phase, on the basis tha we all get through the night alive...
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 18:23
@EF-
I think Chaotix mentioned somewhere that there was an investigator, but I can't be sure. I'll go check the first several posts to be on the safe side.
@Shlin-
I agree... I think the odds are long Caius is the saboteur now. Let's focus on others. I'm not saying I trust him, but, we have to work this out logically, not randomly accuse and then stick with it in spite of evidence to the contrary. If he is still guilty it will have to be proven later, because we can't afford to keep lynching him.
@Aries-
I think this helps town. We might have killed one of the sabateurs, which is good. And instead, we have all townies still alive. Also good.
I think we can put Caius into the "safe" category, for now, and move on to the next suspects. Now we just wait to see who gets murdered.
And by the way, if I get murdered, my Finger of Suspicion on Elite Ferret is hereby reinstated. For reasons which I won't be able to tell you until the game is over.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 18:25
No way, we don't know if there is a detective, if no one says anything it could be because no one has the role of detective, meaning you wouldn't have been investigated. The more you post the more scummy you look to me, I say we lynch him next round.
As for Caius again I don't think the mafia could survive a lynch, that would be a little unfair, so I say he is innocent, for now.
Oh gez, not again. :no:
Okay, so the detective role is unconfirmed, but the vigilante is, why don't you people just set both of them on me. We know one of these roles exists, possiblily both. So that would definitely prove me innocent.
So, I ask both the detective and the vigilante to have a go at me, then we can know for sure whether I'm innocent or not.
Edit: And oh yes, Caius is probably innocent.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 18:27
Quintus, its better if we seperate them into two nights.
detective first night, vigilante second, ok?
Its better for town in all cases.
Remember, anyone who wants to use a special ability, or in the mafia's case, kill someone, should probably email me at Chaotix2732@yahoo.com. PM is not the best option, unfortunately, as it can be tracked.
Also: Active town specials can be ordered during the Day as well as Night, but I believe all of them only work for one full Day/Night phase. Thus, if you want to use them, it would be better to do it earlier so I can implement the ability in more actions.
If anyone wants to ask questions about te rules, go ahead. You can talk to me on Yahoo Messenger too.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 18:29
Quintus, its better if we seperate them into two nights.
detective first night, vigilante second, ok?
Its better for town in all cases.
It doesn't seems everyone else is happy with that, not that my opinion counts for anything of course.
Askthepizzaguy
09-01-2008, 18:33
If we investigate you the first night we may not have to waste a lynch or vigilante on you at all.
If we investigate and vigilante you, you could die and we waste an investigation.
There's no reason at all to do both simultaneously. Thats like lynching and vigilante-ing someone at the same time.
Oh gez, not again. :no:
Okay, so the detective role is unconfirmed, but the vigilante is, why don't you people just set both of them on me. We know one of these roles exists, possiblily both. So that would definitely prove me innocent.
So, I ask both the detective and the vigilante to have a go at me, then we can know for sure whether I'm innocent or not.
Edit: And oh yes, Caius is probably innocent.
Having the vigilante fail to kill you in no way proves your innocence. It is entirely plausible that the mafia would have protection from a serial killer or some such but still be able to be lynched.
It doesn't seems everyone else is happy with that, not that my opinion counts for anything of course.
it seems choatix made it to be who you attempts to carry out the lynch, i think your being reasoned with so i see no need for your puzzling behavior, intially saying were ungrateful and now this, townies are ment to stick together, if you are one, then learn not to argue
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 18:35
If we investigate you the first night we may not have to waste a lynch or vigilante on you at all.
If we investigate and vigilante you, you could die and we waste an investigation.
There's no reason at all to do both simultaneously. Thats like lynching and vigilante-ing someone at the same time.
I understand that, I hope you can persuade others to your opinion as well.
Quintus.JC
09-01-2008, 18:37
it seems choatix made it to be who you attempts to carry out the lynch, i think your being reasoned with so i see no need for your puzzling behavior, intially saying were ungrateful and now this, townies are ment to stick together, if you are one, then learn not to argue
All clouds shall be cleared tommorrow. You'll see. :yes:
bit random 2 post it here but i hav 2 go now, and i hav school from tomorrow so ill b on less than usual
FactionHeir
09-01-2008, 21:01
Also: Active town specials can be ordered during the Day as well as Night, but I believe all of them only work for one full Day/Night phase. Thus, if you want to use them, it would be better to do it earlier so I can implement the ability in more actions.
If anyone wants to ask questions about te rules, go ahead. You can talk to me on Yahoo Messenger too.
I don't understand this. You say I can use my ability day and night but how does it have any effect during the day when people only vote???
Some players may have abilities that could affect a lynch. If I say any more, I may reveal the actual nature of those abilities. It may not be as useful for all abilities to be given earlier, but there are definitely some abilities to which it will give an advantage. You'll probably realize it if your ability is one of those. The main point of my last post was that you could, if you wanted to, give orders for an ability during the day phase. Sorry if I was unclear.
I still don't know why Quintius did that. And the whole disscussion took place while I was in school ( sorry for that)
El Diablo
09-02-2008, 04:45
Man this is turning into another Midgard saga where you go away for a day and have 10 pages of posts to wade through.
This is game is crazy though.....
As I see things I am still scepitcal about QJC as is was a pretty strange move to reveal like that.
Because,
1. IF he is town then he should know he is expendable. As long as the town wins he wins.
2. Telling everyone to NOT LYNCH HIM because he states he is not Mafia usually just attracts attention. In this game you can not trust anyone (even ATPG) and saying hey guys don't lynch me as I am such and such and not mafia does not make sence. Especially when the town is well aware that the ONLY way for the town to get the mafia is through lynchings.
3. He states that he is not mafia and if you want then you can investigate him. If he is town he is asking for us to waste an investigation on him now. One that may have not been used on him if he had not revealed?
4. The abilty he claims seems to me to be a great one for absorbing mafia hits. Now they likely wont target him. Of course if he is mafia they wont likely target him either.
5. He has absorbed alot of the interest of the other players. Meanwhile the mafia may just be slipping in unawares. Loads of players have barely posted (myself included) and others just reiterated what others have said without rteally bandwagonning.
THEN to top it all off we nearly lynched Caius so that we wouldn't endanger QJC??? :wall:
So now to me there are no clearer targets although...
ATPG is very vociferous in accusing - deflecting attentions?
QJC is well... see above.
Warmaster and Tiberius have barely posted - are they trying to lurk?
EF and FH are pretty experianced and would not usually give off to many guilty vibes but may be enjoying all the confusion that QJC has created.
Oh and of course Caius may only be the serial killer.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 08:31
ATPG is very vociferous in accusing - deflecting attentions?
I don't think this part makes any sense.
Someone always takes the lead in making accusations. That makes them suspicious? Very well. But aren't they just as suspicious as those who lurk or don't post? One might argue, El Diablo, that accusing someone who has been working very hard for town is very scummy behavior. But I'm not going to make such a ridiculous and unproductive, and entirely baseless accusation. Everyone is aware that blabbing, in the manner I have been doing, puts such a person in the harsh and revealing light of day. It puts my name in everyone's mind. Look every few posts, oh, it's askthepizzaguy. Now, when I think about suspects, I'm not thinking about shlin28, I'm thinking about askthepizzaguy. Kind of a dumb thing for mafia to do.
Now comes the baseless reverse psychology argument. "Well, what if you're doing that intentionally, to make yourself seem less suspicious?" Uh huh. So why have several people already pointed to my name when they say things like "anyone could be guilty, even ATPG". Yeah. So don't tell me this "tactic" works to make me look less suspicious. It makes me look more suspicious. It doesn't deflect attention, it invites it.
All that being said, It's more important for me to seek the saboteur than to deflect attention or criticism. So unless someone has something more substantive to work with, I suggest we focus on the more sneaky, lurking candidates, and also pay attention to what the regular posters do say.
EDIT: Bottom line is, eventually town is going to run out of suspects and say "hey, let's lynch the guy who posts the most."
Brilliant.
FactionHeir
09-02-2008, 12:42
What ATPG said.
Still, I think Surviving night hits sounds more townie than surviving lynches.
Er... why was my name mentioned in ATPG's long "rant"? :dizzy2:
Anyway, surviving night hits is a clear mafia sign, as mafia can only get night attacked by the serial killer/vig, so the host can afford to give this ability to him to balance it out against all of the uber town rules. Giving him the ability to survive lynches makes no sense, as it would destroy the only way a normal town can take down the mafia, making it very very very unbalanced.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 15:33
I pulled a random name out of my arse. Actually I just needed the name of someone who wasn't posting nearly as much as me, which was.... everyone.
I am getting antsy... let the day phase begin again! :laugh2:
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 16:09
Muwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
I had just contacted our glorious host, and guess what? The 3 lives apply for lynches as well as attempt murders, so I am practically invincible after all. So all that ultra defences were for nothing. Lynch me next round if you wish.
FactionHeir
09-02-2008, 16:27
Hmm so Caius has the same special you do?
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 16:37
Muwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
I had just contacted our glorious host, and guess what? The 3 lives apply for lynches as well as attempt murders, so I am practically invincible after all. So all that ultra defences were for nothing. Lynch me next round if you wish.
3 anti-lynch, anti-murder, or anti-vigilante lives....
You are most likely a bad dude. I simply don't know why you would reveal this to us, and in such a strange manner. And I don't see why any town character would need so many lives. It makes it near impossible for the saboteur to win.
He would have to target you, and only you, until you died. And then, he would still have to kill the rest of us. And by the way, if you are town, you just revealed to the saboteur that he has to target you every turn until you're dead, instead of that part being a nasty surprise for him.
Exactly whose side are you on anyway?
I sure hope the investigator picked you.
Muwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!
I had just contacted our glorious host, and guess what? The 3 lives apply for lynches as well as attempt murders, so I am practically invincible after all. So all that ultra defences were for nothing. Lynch me next round if you wish.
if you have 3 defense against lynch and murder i think choatix would hav made the game very unbalanced, i dont believe you, ill no doubt be seeing how others vote before i do this time, im confused of the situation, hopefully after the night phase there will be more for us to piece together, im thinking very much like el diablo, but perhaps in a more polite fashion, well the night phase should be ending very soon, so we'll see if anyone drops off, but just because quintus says hes protected from all murders it doesnt mean he is, i assume this is merely to avoid any attempts on his life, using reserve psychology by saying lynch me if you like, hes been protesting his innocence throughout, yet we cannot be blamed as he revealed his 'supposed identity' at his own bidding.
And while atpg is also a suspect as we all are, hes certainly contributing to the convosation very well rootingout a killer, or at least trying, we cannot critize him for that
by my count 21 minutes till choatix writes the whats happened!, and i hope hes on time lols
The Night has ended. Everyone is surprised and relieved to see that Zemus has not caused anyone to kill someone. However, as they are all sitting down, Tiberius claims that he has a terrible headache. Several minutes into the meal, Tiberius starts screaming in pain. Then, quite suddenly, his head explodes, splattering blood and brains into everyone's porridge.
Dead:
Tiberius of the Drake- Will of Zemus
Still Alive:
Askthepizzaguy
Warmaster Horus
Quintus.JC
shlin28
El Diablo
Elite Ferret
FactionHeir
Aries777777
glyphz
Caius- Survived one Lynch
Let Day 2 Begin. Yes, I wanted to have a big write-up too, but "someone" made that impossible for me.
Vote: Quintus CJ
Oh we will see if you are invincible :devilish:
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 18:23
Vote: Quintus. JC :shrug:
i fear your at the root of our problems
vote: quintus J.C
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 18:30
I fear for the first time in Mafia gaming history one round of voting could be actually unanimous by all voters.
FactionHeir
09-02-2008, 18:50
vote: WH Because he hasn't posted anything of value.
Also, there will be a 6-hour extension to this Day Phase, as I start school tomorrow, and there's no way I'll be able to post anything at the time it would normally end.
Also, there will be a 6-hour extension to this Day Phase, as I start school tomorrow, and there's no way I'll be able to post anything at the time it would normally end.
oh dear, tht makes midnight 4 me, our well just puts suspense on the result!
Warmaster Horus
09-02-2008, 19:22
Sorry guys, school came back up. Plus a miriad of other small things.
I'll keep playing this game, but don't expect much contribution.
Sorry!
Vote: atpg
I have an alibi that is you.
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 19:39
Vote: atpg
I have an alibi that is you.
:inquisitive:
Warmaster Horus
09-02-2008, 19:44
Vote: Caius
Do I need to explain?
Quintus im sure you said the clouds will clear or something today, when they clearly havent, you got my hopes up but now m more confused than ever:dizzy2:
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:00
I don't believe it's Quintus.JC anymore, you guys.
We should have heard by now from the investigator whether Quintus is guilty. I was also informed that I survived an attack on my life, and I would like to publicly reveal that I do not have any extra lives.
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 20:13
I don't believe it's Quintus.JC anymore, you guys.
We should have heard by now from the investigator whether Quintus is guilty. I was also informed that I survived an attack on my life, and I would like to publicly reveal that I do not have any extra lives.
Then how or why did you survive the attack, and why didn't Chaotix post the failed assination.
I don't doubt ATPG's words but some answer is still need. A
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:15
My suspect list:
Cleared:
Askthepizzaguy- 100% Innocent
Quintus.JC- 99% Innocent
Caius- Survived one Lynch- 90% Innocent
Suspects:
glyphz- doubtful
Elite Ferret- doubtful
shlin28- possible
El Diablo- possible
FactionHeir- possible
Aries777777- possible
Warmaster Horus- possible
FactionHeir
09-02-2008, 20:16
Why are glyphz and EF doubtful?
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 20:18
As far as I'm concerned everyone expect me and Caius are doubtful.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:19
Sorry, FactionHeir, until we know for sure you're innocent, I can't tell you.
I need to protect the identities of confirmed townies, and what their abilities are. We scored a coup last night, and I am emailing everyone involved in the victory.
My suspect list:
Cleared:
Askthepizzaguy- 100% Innocent
Quintus.JC- 99% Innocent
Caius- Survived one Lynch- 90% Innocent
Suspects:
glyphz- doubtful
Elite Ferret- doubtful
shlin28- possible
El Diablo- possible
FactionHeir- possible
Aries777777- possible
Warmaster Horus- possible
i assure you that i have only good intentions, i want to root this mafia out at all costs, do you no how you survived? why doubtful over glyphz and elite ferret? also what makes caius so innocent, sorry if i sound lost in this convosation but im not getting your view clearly enough...and doe anyone know of tiberius' role? his death has caused very little stir, is that the victory?
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:25
I do know how I survived. I had help. I can't tell you who helped me, because... they will be murdered as soon as I do.
I included them in the suspect list because I can't reveal their identities. So when you guys pick the wrong one, and begin to vote them, I will stop you. If I am still alive.
I'm sorry if I am being enigmatic but I cannot tip our hand yet. Town is winning, so far.
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 20:26
Caius survived a lynch, normally that shouldn't happen because otherwise it would be quite impossible for the town to win.
I do know how I survived. I had help. I can't tell you who helped me, because... they will be murdered as soon as I do.
I included them in the suspect list because I can't reveal their identities. So when you guys pick the wrong one, and begin to vote them, I will stop you. If I am still alive.
I'm sorry if I am being enigmatic but I cannot tip our hand yet. Town is winning, so far.
if we vote for the wrong one you will stop us? then tht person who helped you identity will be revealed, and you wanted to avoid that, if u stop us voting tht person they will b known, unless your casting a murder threat, but if we dont no which person your saying not to vote for, then how can we guarantee not voting for them? urrrgh headache coming unvote: quintus J.C
if it would help i would tell you of my role! but private reveals are forbideden and im still not sure what your up to yet...
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:39
Yeah. I'm working under the assumption we can trust him... for now. He's not confirmed innocent, just very likely.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:41
If town still trusts me (leap of faith, I know...) please everyone unvote Quintus.JC
As the day progresses (if I can get online, connection is borrowed from a neighbor's wireless connection) I will try to come up with a suspect for this round.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:44
I will private message the confirmed townies if they bungle it and vote for the other confirmed innocent.
It's the best I have got... in a pinch I might have to suggest to a random voter that they need to change their vote. But I can't do it for everyone because the saboteur is likely going to bandwagon vote in order to try to get the wrong person lynched.
If town still trusts me (leap of faith, I know...) please everyone unvote Quintus.JC
As the day progresses (if I can get online, connection is borrowed from a neighbor's wireless connection) I will try to come up with a suspect for this round.
i think tht should be WE atpg, not just you, dont mean to be rude but what ever your decision is shouldnt be definite, its like saying 'i suspect this person, so lets get rid of them' when it truely is just from your infomation source
(wow im just a bundle of joy arent i!:clown:)
FactionHeir
09-02-2008, 20:48
Just to remind you of what Aries said that private reveals, i.e. saying who your character is or what abilities you have, is forbidden.
I.e. saying "I saved you from murder" is probably against the rules as well. So whoever your claimed protector was is either lying or broke the rules.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:53
i think tht should be WE atpg, not just you, dont mean to be rude but what ever your decision is shouldnt be definite, its like saying 'i suspect this person, so lets get rid of them' when it truely is just from your infomation source
(wow im just a bundle of joy arent i!:clown:)
True enough.
If I have a suspect I'm not going to tell everyone in town to vote for them, I'm just going to lay out a case. However, if town starts voting who I consider to be the wrong peeps, I'll think of something.
We can do public reveals, but for now I don't think anyone should. I think that will only help the saboteur.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 20:53
Just to remind you of what Aries said that private reveals, i.e. saying who your character is or what abilities you have, is forbidden.
I.e. saying "I saved you from murder" is probably against the rules as well. So whoever your claimed protector was is either lying or broke the rules.
I'll explain how I know this without a rule break in a private message, FH.
I'm not sure what to add to the discussion and not sure who to vote for...
Tallies can't hurt
2 votes
Quintus.JC (himself, shlin28)
1 vote
Warmaster Horus (FactionHeir)
Caius (Warmaster Horus)
Askthepizzaguy (Caius)
Unless Quintus is serious about voting himself, he's in the lead, otherwise it's a tie between 4 players
Unvote: Quintus CJ
I'll explain how I know this without a rule break in a private message, FH.
Well... if you can explain to him in a pm, you can explain it to everyone in the thread.
i dont no whether to defy everything atpg's saying and vote for EF, glyphz or atpg himself, or just go the opposite way, as neither are clear to me
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 21:22
Certain activities happened last night, and Chaotix informed me that I was targeted.
Certain activities happened last night, and Chaotix informed me that I was targeted.
Then how would you know certain other townies are proven townies? Surely the host would not tell you that...
im just going to go in to the fray!
vote:warmaster horus
while im sure he has an excuse for his lack of activity, we hav seen nearto nothing suggesting hes innocent, although ill likely change again by tomorrow...
i assume this will not clide with atpg also, otherwise my vote may of differed
edit: i agree with shlin here
El Diablo
09-02-2008, 21:29
ATPG - you are taking over the inquistion here, with no real truth to me.
You state that you survived an attack last night - correct?
This makes you non-mafia and pro town how?
The way I see it we have to take your word that you "survived" as there was no write up from our host stating that you miraculously survived. You just did. Therefore did a "protector" stop you from getting killed or did he stop you from killing as there was no mafia kill or serial killer death either. Only some strage thing that blew tiberius head off??
Was that a WOG - chaotix or what?
I just read into Chaotix report that something stopped a kill last night that was not supposed to happen. Now someone protecting the mafia target would be a good thing for the game yes? The protector protecting the mafia himself would not.
No I am not accusing as I only a have a feeling and my feeling usually are wrong. Hell I am always 99% sure that FH is mafia (my mafia-senses are poor at best) but wanting the entire town to follow blindly is a big ask.
Now I am not in your little "circle if trust" and to be honest I am not sure I want to be. You ask us to now UNVOTE QJC because he cool now when yesterday he was eveil incarnate. The only thing that makes sence to me is that QJC sent you a message saying I saved you or I protected you last night. Nothing else has happened on these boards to prove his innocence.
So I would like to know HOW you know you were saved and if it was by QJC who has 9 lives and can talk to the animals and walk on water I would like to inform the mafia they are screwed.
Come on 3 lives for this 3 lives for that and maybe a protector? I doubt the game is that unbalanced and therefore I am dubious on QJC. No "investigator" has come forward so why is he now 99% innocent?
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 21:30
Then how would you know certain other townies are proven townies? Surely the host would not tell you that...
That's true. But, I do not want to tell you any more than I have already told you, some information needs to stay with me.
im just going to go in to the fray!
vote:warmaster horus
while im sure he has an excuse for his lack of activity, we hav seen nearto nothing suggesting hes innocent, although ill likely change again by tomorrow...
i assume this will not clide with atpg also, otherwise my vote may of differed
edit: i agree with shlin here
Sorry folks, the nature of this game compels me to remain quiet on some things. Aren't you sick of hearing me talk yet?
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 21:31
If town still trusts me (leap of faith, I know...) please everyone unvote Quintus.JC
He made me do it. :sweatdrop:
Unvote: Quintus. JC
I'm not very familiar with Final Fantasy... but look at this in the write-up:
The Night has ended. Everyone is surprised and relieved to see that Zemus has not caused anyone to kill someone. However, as they are all sitting down, Tiberius claims that he has a terrible headache. Several minutes into the meal, Tiberius starts screaming in pain. Then, quite suddenly, his head explodes, splattering blood and brains into everyone's porridge.
Dead:
Tiberius of the Drake- Will of Zemus
Interesting...No?
and ATPG:
This whole townie group smells of rule-breaking to me and that makes me suspicious :no:(and the fact that I am not in it)
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 21:38
No I am not accusing as I only a have a feeling and my feeling usually are wrong. Hell I am always 99% sure that FH is mafia (my mafia-senses are poor at best) but wanting the entire town to follow blindly is a big ask.
You suspect Faction Heir, why? :inquisitive:
So I would like to know HOW you know you were saved and if it was by QJC who has 9 lives and can talk to the animals and walk on water I would like to inform the mafia they are screwed.
Now I might have god-like powers but I'm certainly no Jesus or Dr. Dolittle. :clown:
No "investigator" has come forward so why is he now 99% innocent?
That's the whole point. If the investigator comes forward it would mean I'm guilty. If the detective say I'm innocent then he would have to reveal himself and leave him at the mercy of the mafia. By being quiet he has just revealed his result last night to be either 'unclear' or 'innocent'. Not guilty, because if he finds me so then he'd come forward and stop this farce.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 21:55
ATPG - you are taking over the inquistion here, with no real truth to me.
You state that you survived an attack last night - correct?
This makes you non-mafia and pro town how?
The way I see it we have to take your word that you "survived" as there was no write up from our host stating that you miraculously survived. You just did. Therefore did a "protector" stop you from getting killed or did he stop you from killing as there was no mafia kill or serial killer death either. Only some strage thing that blew tiberius head off??
Was that a WOG - chaotix or what?
I just read into Chaotix report that something stopped a kill last night that was not supposed to happen. Now someone protecting the mafia target would be a good thing for the game yes? The protector protecting the mafia himself would not.
No I am not accusing as I only a have a feeling and my feeling usually are wrong. Hell I am always 99% sure that FH is mafia (my mafia-senses are poor at best) but wanting the entire town to follow blindly is a big ask.
Now I am not in your little "circle if trust" and to be honest I am not sure I want to be. You ask us to now UNVOTE QJC because he cool now when yesterday he was eveil incarnate. The only thing that makes sence to me is that QJC sent you a message saying I saved you or I protected you last night. Nothing else has happened on these boards to prove his innocence.
So I would like to know HOW you know you were saved and if it was by QJC who has 9 lives and can talk to the animals and walk on water I would like to inform the mafia they are screwed.
Come on 3 lives for this 3 lives for that and maybe a protector? I doubt the game is that unbalanced and therefore I am dubious on QJC. No "investigator" has come forward so why is he now 99% innocent?
First of all, thank you El Diablo for putting your thinking cap on and trying to solve this yourself.
:thumbsup:
Also I commend you for remaining vigilant and not blindly trusting everything I say. Point by point rebuttal, my friend:
ATPG - you are taking over the inquistion here, with no real truth to me.
It's true, you have no way of knowing I'm telling you the truth. In a turn or two, I will have a way of letting EVERYONE know what I know, and why.
If you're still not convinced, and you shouldn't be, lynch me before the game ends. Just give me more time to do town's work.
You state that you survived an attack last night - correct?
This makes you non-mafia and pro town how?
It doesn't, and I don't mean to suggest that it does. I explained that the host did reveal I was attacked, but not by who. Again, you only have my word to go on because I won't reveal the rest until I am sure town is going to win if I do. Sorry, this is more important than my life.
The way I see it we have to take your word that you "survived" as there was no write up from our host stating that you miraculously survived. You just did. Therefore did a "protector" stop you from getting killed or did he stop you from killing as there was no mafia kill or serial killer death either. Only some strage thing that blew tiberius head off??
I believe Tiberius was WOG'ed.
The reason there was no murder was because the murderer failed. All I have is Chaotix's PM to go on and I can't copy that here, as its against the rules. Sorry!
I just read into Chaotix report that something stopped a kill last night that was not supposed to happen. Now someone protecting the mafia target would be a good thing for the game yes? The protector protecting the mafia himself would not.
I have no idea why Chaotix worded things the way he did, and I have no idea why there wasn't a vigilante killing either. By everything I know, someone should have died besides the WOG character.
I am missing information as well, I can't speak to precisely what happened. I only have a little bit that I am sure of, and I'm revealing most of that in case I die.
No I am not accusing as I only a have a feeling and my feeling usually are wrong. Hell I am always 99% sure that FH is mafia (my mafia-senses are poor at best) but wanting the entire town to follow blindly is a big ask.
I know. Believe me, I know.
You don't have to listen to a word I say, in fact I encourage you to figure it out on your own. What if I am wrong? Don't put all your eggs in one basket. But if I survive the next night or so I will do a public reveal and I won't protest if anyone wants to lynch me.
I will have done my duty for town. I don't fear death.
Now I am not in your little "circle if trust" and to be honest I am not sure I want to be. You ask us to now UNVOTE QJC because he cool now when yesterday he was eveil incarnate. The only thing that makes sence to me is that QJC sent you a message saying I saved you or I protected you last night. Nothing else has happened on these boards to prove his innocence.
I can't reveal how, but there are other options besides those that you're missing, and it's not because I'm mafia. Keep thinking...
As for the rest of things...
Someone has been spreading misinformation. I'm trying to determine who and why.
_____________________
I don't mind being a suspect, but town has plenty of lives left. Don't kill me yet and town will do just fine.
I reiterate:
I'm not very familiar with Final Fantasy... but look at this in the write-up:
The Night has ended. Everyone is surprised and relieved to see that Zemus has not caused anyone to kill someone. However, as they are all sitting down, Tiberius claims that he has a terrible headache. Several minutes into the meal, Tiberius starts screaming in pain. Then, quite suddenly, his head explodes, splattering blood and brains into everyone's porridge.
Dead:
Tiberius of the Drake- Will of Zemus
Interesting...No? Perhaps Tiberius was mafia?
im not sure if chaotix informs victims of murder attempts, but you may be right there, perhaps his failed attempt on someone ment his death, the character he attacked may of had an extra ability to kill a mafia if attacked, im probably reading into it to much though
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 22:14
Will somebody do a tally, I don't think anyone would trust me if I do one.
Actually I think ATPG being attacked does prove him innocent, in the write up it said that Zemus did not have the mafia kill anyone, but there was still a kill, the vigilante I assume. IF ATPG was attacked, though no one can no for sure, usually a host would have done a write up of that but Chaotix may do things differently, that means it was the mafia who tried to kill him, seeing as I am fairly certain that there is only one mafia, that means that ATPG is not mafia. Of course that assumes that he was telling the truth, seeing as it wasn't mentioned in the write up he could be making this up to make himself look innocent before moving on to kill us tomorrow, and hopefully not be a lynch target. I'm gonna trust him for now though.
El Diablo
09-02-2008, 22:16
Tiberius of the Drake- Will of Zemus
Interesting...No? Perhaps Tiberius was mafia?
Possible, but do mafia ever get WOGed? I suppose they do - I have never seen in (in my almost limitless experiance of about 6 mafia games) it happen.
HOWEVER-
If it is true though then it puts a lot of doubt on ATPG claim that he survived an attack. If tiberius tried to kill ATPG he would not have gotten WOG'ed would he? If he had done nothing (thus deserving a WOG) ATPG would not have "survived".
I am getting 1+1=3 at the moment.....
You suspect Faction Heir, why?
Standard joke (well for me at least) no matter how innocent FH is I always get this inkling that he is scum. I do not think he is in this game (anymore than normal :laugh4:) but something about his posting style makes me second guess him evertime....
Possible, but do mafia ever get WOGed? I suppose they do - I have never seen in (in my almost limitless experiance of about 6 mafia games) it happen.
HOWEVER-
If it is true though then it puts a lot of doubt on ATPG claim that he survived an attack. If tiberius tried to kill ATPG he would not have gotten WOG'ed would he? If he had done nothing (thus deserving a WOG) ATPG would not have "survived".
I am getting 1+1=3 at the moment.....
Standard joke (well for me at least) no matter how innocent FH is I always get this inkling that he is scum. I do not think he is in this game (anymore than normal :laugh4:) but something about his posting style makes me second guess him evertime....
maybe theres more than one mafia god forbid...
meh find quintus' avatar creepy
unvote: WH
Vote: quintusJ.C
no one to vote 4 out of knowledge, just wonder how certain votes may make certain people react
El Diablo
09-02-2008, 22:23
Of course - or even a mafia and a serial killer or what not.
So now we are down to just a serial killer or mafai no 2?
Good start for the town (woo go us)!
ATPG you are in the clear at the moment but I have my peepers on you.
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 22:29
... seeing as it wasn't mentioned in the write up he could be making this up to make himself look innocent before moving on to kill us tomorrow, and hopefully not be a lynch target. I'm gonna trust him for now though.
I trust Askthepizzaguy's reveal, he's not lying about being attacked. But that doesn't mean his attacked by the vigilante or something, though I doubt the vigilante would target him in the first round, so it's probably the mafia.
Standard joke (well for me at least) no matter how innocent FH is I always get this inkling that he is scum. I do not think he is in this game (anymore than normal :laugh4:) but something about his posting style makes me second guess him evertime....
I know that only too well, bear in mind, I only tried to get rid of FactionHeir when I'm scum, he's far too useful for the town to be lynched. But his activity is not up to scratch compared to his normal games, but then again his activities in the org. has fell short lately.
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 22:31
meh find quintus' avatar creepy
:inquisitive: :dizzy2: :embarassed:
My avatar creepy?! Maybe you're ignoring a certain AskthePizzaguy's avatar.
Quintus asked for a tally, so be it
1 vote
Warmaster Horus (FactionHeir)
Caius (Warmaster Horus)
Quintus.JC (Aries7s)
Definitely a change from the last tally
...except there's less votes
:inquisitive: :dizzy2: :embarassed:
My avatar creepy?! Maybe you're ignoring a certain AskthePizzaguy's avatar.
no i like his lol
when i think of a player they hav 2 b represented by an avatar, i prefer masked maniacs to cunning romans, where as sartahos roman avatar is less creepy dunno...
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 22:40
no i like his lol
when i think of a player they hav 2 b represented by an avatar, i prefer masked maniacs to cunning romans, where as sartahos roman avatar is less creepy dunno...
Trust me Askthepizzaguy's avatar send shivers down my spine, same goes with all the moderators in this forum. Not a happy bunch if you just look at their avatar. Except Andres, he looks happy. ~:)
...except there's less votes
Where's all the voters, I thought you weren't allowed to abstain.
This is turning into a mini Migard. :sweatdrop:
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 22:46
I know that only too well, bear in mind, I only tried to get rid of FactionHeir when I'm scum, he's far too useful for the town to be lynched. But his activity is not up to scratch compared to his normal games, but then again his activities in the org. has fell short lately.
I noticed that too. What gives, FactionHeir?
You're not my top suspect but it is unusual. Must be busy with VanillaMod.
By the way, if you've really improved the AI's aggression I may in fact download it.
El Diablo
09-02-2008, 22:47
he's not lying about being attacked.
We are being led down the path here..
How do you KNOW that ATPG is not lying?
If there has been rule breakage here we will end up with more WOG's and that is what lost us the proscriptions mafia.
Tiberius may not have even been mafia he may have got WOG'ed for cheating (although I doubt it as Chaotix would probably have given the rest of us a stern talking to and a slap on the wrist.
What ever I don't like this not knowing and as such I will have to vote as my mind has set.
Vote QJC
Too many if's, what's but's and maybe's. If that makes me a target for you ATPG then fine - You yourself have given us three rounds to find the mafia and lynch him. That is not withstanding a rash of possible cheating WOG's that will give us less time.
Now we may have a second mafia or a serial killer. Clocks ticking.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 22:50
Didn't Tiberius get WOG'ed for non-voting and non-posting?
And El Diablo, if you vote for QJC that's fine. I'm not targeting you.
EDIT: With only one death last night, we have more time than I thought.
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 23:00
Trust me Askthepizzaguy's avatar send shivers down my spine
Off topic:
Why would it send shivers down your spine?
Just because it hides my hideously scarred face and jagged fangs which I use to eviscerate the guts of the innocent, to feast upon their trembling, bleeding flesh... that doesn't make me a bad guy.
:laugh2:
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 23:01
...and that is what lost us the proscriptions mafia....
Actually in that particular game the mafia did the town plenty of favours by getting rid of all the lurkers, Ichiago, Makaikhaan and Caius etc.etc. None of them were really active, the mafia's mind in that game were totally bunkers. :dizzy2:
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 23:02
Off topic:
Why would it send shivers down your spine?
Just because it hides my hideously scarred face and jagged fangs which I use to eviscerate the guts of the innocent, to feast upon their trembling, bleeding flesh... that doesn't make me a bad guy.
:laugh2:
Do you really want me to answer that...
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 23:03
I have a girlfriend, there buddy. Don't be thinking that way.
Quintus.JC
09-02-2008, 23:05
I have a girlfriend, there buddy. Don't be thinking that way.
I'm not commenting on your facial features, but your mask is making me rather uncomfortable.
I'm not commenting on your facial features, but your mask is making me rather uncomfortable.
Off topic: That reminds me, wasn't your old avatar the one with a golden mask, ATPG?
so's your very peculiar "hat". I demand you take it off now. :whip:
In other news, get back on topic please :brood:
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 23:11
Off topic: That reminds me, wasn't your old avatar the one with a golden mask, ATPG?
Yes.
I had old goldilocks for over a year... but Sultan Jalal impressed me enough to take his likeness.
The avatar I have is Sultan Jalal from the original m2tw Turks faction. The one I did that famous thing with.
so's your very peculiar "hat". I demand you take it off now. :whip:
In other news, get back on topic please :brood:
:grin3: Alrighty
Here's my so-called list of suspects:
Warmaster Horus - R2 voting Caius after surviving a lynch (if it's an unmafia-like ability)
Caius - R2 voting ATPG after an attempt on his life (vote retracted)
Elite Ferret - R1 voting ATPG before the attempt on his life (strangely though there was no mention of the murder attempt on ATPG in the narration)
As you can see, none of which can be taken seriously, thus I still have no vote...~:handball:
Tally:
2 votes: Quintus.JC (Aries7s, El Diablo)
1 vote
Warmaster Horus (FactionHeir)
Caius (Warmaster Horus)
Askthepizzaguy
09-02-2008, 23:55
I would suggest we figure out a way to coordinate the lynch, the investigation, and the vigilante killing, so we don't waste them.
Whichever gets lynched does not get investigated or vigilante'd, etc.
How can we do that if we don't know who the vigilante and the investigator are? Help me figure this out, guys. If we can come up with a system that works... we can vastly improve our odds.
I would suggest we figure out a way to coordinate the lynch, the investigation, and the vigilante killing, so we don't waste them.
Whichever gets lynched does not get investigated or vigilante'd, etc.
How can we do that if we don't know who the vigilante and the investigator are? Help me figure this out, guys. If we can come up with a system that works... we can vastly improve our odds.
Not yet.
Vote:Caius
To create a tie, not much has been going on and WH will be lynched for no reason.
Askthepizzaguy
09-03-2008, 00:20
if you have 3 defense against lynch and murder i think choatix would hav made the game very unbalanced, i dont believe you, ill no doubt be seeing how others vote before i do this time, im confused of the situation, hopefully after the night phase there will be more for us to piece together, im thinking very much like el diablo, but perhaps in a more polite fashion, well the night phase should be ending very soon, so we'll see if anyone drops off, but just because quintus says hes protected from all murders it doesnt mean he is, i assume this is merely to avoid any attempts on his life, using reserve psychology by saying lynch me if you like, hes been protesting his innocence throughout, yet we cannot be blamed as he revealed his 'supposed identity' at his own bidding.
And while atpg is also a suspect as we all are, hes certainly contributing to the convosation very well rootingout a killer, or at least trying, we cannot critize him for that
by my count 21 minutes till choatix writes the whats happened!, and i hope hes on time lols
Hmmm... Vote: Aries777777.
Reason: He seems to be attempting to gain my favor, and was the last one to post in the long empty space between my post and Chaotix's write-up. He's also on my list of suspects.
I think the saboteur would be trying to be low-key, and this post is fairly reasonable and low-key. Agreeing with the main prosecutor also a sign of attempting to lay low.
I appreciate your support, Aries, but you do know that it definitley appears in your last few sentences that you're trying to gain my favor. That's scum-city to me. It's one of the reasons I'm not all over El Diablo. Diablo is standing up to me.
FactionHeir
09-03-2008, 00:28
So I've been thinking that if there are 2 people who can survive 3 lynches/night actions, the only way this game would be balanced is either if:
1. The main killer ignores that limitation
2. The main killer can convert people to his side
3. One of the two is mafia to balance things out
The question is which one of these is true.
El Diablo
09-03-2008, 02:46
no matter how innocent FH is I always get this inkling that he is scum
FoS FH
For knowing too much... :laugh4:
Okay just kidding.
But about what you are saying.
The main killer is the mafia I take it?
That leaves the possibility of a Vigilante and/or a serial killer?
Thus the mafia maybe able to take out QJC (with his claimed immunity) with one hit but the others will take 3 attempts? Possible I suppose.
Converting to your side is like ATPG's interrogation of QJC yesterday followed by being bestest of buddies today?
One is mafia? Like perhaps QJC?
Vote Stays.
Okay. There seems to be a lot of confusion, and hopefully, I can sort most of it out. I mean, some of the confusion is good for the game, but the rest of it is more of a detriment. Anyway, here I go:
1- The Death of Tiberius:
This was indeed a WoG. I thought it would be kind of obvious when I said WoZ- It's the same thing, except with Zemus instead of God/gods. Tiberius was WoG'ed.
2. Killings and Whatnot:
I will say this now, and leave you to interpret it as you will. I have posted and will post a write-up when there is any attempt on a player's life. Whether they are killed or not, there will be a write up. Case-in-point: Caius's lynching. If there is no kill or attempt at it, there is no write-up.
3. Askthepizzaguy and his "friends":
I have talked to Askthepizzaguy about his talks with certain other players. If ATPG is telling the truth to me, (and he should have no reason not to. I and others know him to be a very good sport.) then there was no foul play involved in this, and therefore there won't be any kind of a penalty or WoG.
4. Number of Mafia Killers:
I'm not sure if I made this clear before. I thought I did. There is at least one but no more than two mafia. Period. There might be one, and there might be two. You won't know until you've killed all of them.
And finally, a tally, for everyone's convenience:
Quintus- 2 (Aries, El D.)
Caius- 2 (Caius, WH)
WH- 1 (FH)
Aries- 1 (ATPG)
4. Number of Mafia Killers:
I'm not sure if I made this clear before. I thought I did. There is at least one but no more than two mafia. Period. There might be one, and there might be two. You won't know until you've killed all of them.
...
I'm inclined to think that there's really 1 mafia at the start.
More so, because we started with only 10 people (prior to Caius joining).
a possible 2nd mafioso could appear if:
a) a mafia could convert a certain player (I think this is what FH speculated);
b) a certain role has the choice to pick a side during the game
c) some event can cause a certain role to become 'rogue'
At the moment, I'm trying out b)~:handball:
For b) to work, that person's ability should be handy to the mafia, if s/he ever switches side. This should rule out any detective-type and protection-type roles.
Quintus' ability, the only ability we probably know of, is one that could fit with the mafia. (we're still unsure about the details on Caius' ability)
Though that does not incriminate Quintus nor prove that he can actually switch allegiance, it may (or may not) explain his Rnd 1 act.
Or perhaps it's actually d) way off the mark or that i'm plain 'Wrong!' :stupido2:
Quintus.JC
09-03-2008, 08:49
The mafia cannot survive multiple lynches because it would give the town no chance of winning. Suppose I'm able to survive 3 lynches, surely that makes me one of you. If you want prove then lynch me already! stop this indeciveness.
The mafia cannot survive multiple lynches because it would give the town no chance of winning. Suppose I'm able to survive 3 lynches, surely that makes me one of you. If you want prove then lynch me already! stop this indeciveness.
And thus, perhaps why you were not lynched Rnd 1 and not running away with most votes this round either. Some didn't think you were guilty from the start, while a few others seem to have opened up to the notion that you are likely pro-town. I, myself, am still looking for an angle that might connect you to being a mafia, but so far has not produced anything worth salt
The indecisiveness, i think, comes from: 'if it's probably not Quintus, who's the next likely to be mafia?'
That, plus the lack of any leads (the story so far, no deaths only a WoG, has not given the town anything to work with at all) This feels like 'Rnd 1 - Part 2,' in my opinion, and likely the person to be lynched would be due to a very weak case. (may explain Caius' vote)
:edit: Now, if you really like to have all doubts against you cleared, i'll break the tie for you, even if others disagree and think it's a waste of a lynch
Quintus.JC
09-03-2008, 10:04
If lynching me could prove my innocence then sure, go ahead. I hope all the others are watching.
Done.
Vote: Quintus.JC
Now we wait, whether you do get top votes
Tally:
Quintus- 3 (Aries, El D., glyphz)
Caius- 2 (Caius, WH)
WH- 1 (FH)
Aries- 1 (ATPG)
Quintus.JC
09-03-2008, 10:09
I'll make sure of it.
Vote: Quintus.JC
Did Caius vote for himself? what an idiot.:clown:
...just curious
Quintus, when you revealed during Rnd1, did you reveal all?
Was that all there is about your RolePM, both character and abilities?
vote:Aires
Please don't vote for QJC...it will be a waste of a lynch, he is already proved innocent.
Quintus.JC
09-03-2008, 11:42
...just curious
Quintus, when you revealed during Rnd1, did you reveal all?
Was that all there is about your RolePM, both character and abilities?
There was quite a few info about my character. "You're FuSoYa, the guardian of the Lunarians in their near-eternal slumber and all that. Because of the strong Lunarian blood flowing in your veins, you have the ability to survive 3 attacks on your person blah, blah blah. Your objective is to root out and defeat the one(s) being controlled by Zemus before he kills all of you."
vote:Aires
Please don't vote for QJC...it will be a waste of a lynch, he is already proved innocent.
Vote: Elite Ferret
Information from townie groups are overrated :whip:
Askthepizzaguy
09-03-2008, 17:20
Somebody does know something you don't, Shlin.
We are wasting a lynch, folks.
My vote for Aries remains. I refuse to lynch a confirmed innocent just to satisfy some of town's lingering curiosities about QJC. And Shame on you QJC, if you had voted Aries we could have gotten another chance to lynch the real saboteur.
:wall:
FactionHeir
09-03-2008, 17:30
unvote:WH, vote: Aries
Quintus.JC
09-03-2008, 17:37
Somebody does know something you don't, Shlin.
We are wasting a lynch, folks.
My vote for Aries remains. I refuse to lynch a confirmed innocent just to satisfy some of town's lingering curiosities about QJC. And Shame on you QJC, if you had voted Aries we could have gotten another chance to lynch the real saboteur.
:wall:
Unvote: Myself
Vote: Aries77
Sorry. :embarassed:
Quintus.JC
09-03-2008, 17:39
Tally
Aries - 4 (QJC, ATPG, EF, FH)
Caius - 2
QJC - 2
WH
Askthepizzaguy
09-03-2008, 17:45
Sorry Aries. I hope you're mafia. :bow:
If you are town, thank you for being a good sport. We'll see you at the victory party.
Tally
Aries - 4 (QJC, ATPG, EF, FH)
Caius - 2
QJC - 2
WH
Messing with the tally eh?
I knew you couldn't be trusted :smash:
(You are missing my vote and didn't count FH's unvote)
Aries - 4 (QJC, ATPG, EF, FH)
Caius - 2
QJC - 2
EF - 1
Askthepizzaguy
09-03-2008, 17:55
Bad Quintus. Bend over for your spanking. :whip:
unvote: quintus J.C
vote: elite ferret
im surprised i wasnt brought ot attention sooner! townies dont fear death, im not at all trying reserve psychology, but killing another innocence wont help will it? if you want to lynch me go ahead, but someone may die in the process, other than me...
also thank you for your support shlin, i guess atpg's group of thugs will dominate this game it seems
Meh, I just hate townie groups because I never get invited ~:mecry:
:sweatdrop:
Meh, I just hate townie groups because I never get invited ~:mecry:
:sweatdrop:
hmmm i to wonder what there talking about (townie groups? not sure about tht), but our well, will choatix hurry up with my lynch? then once they've wasted a townies chances the thugs can deplete the rest of us
edit: oh yh its 6 hours extended
anyways, once atpg has captured your minds i can do nothing about it, i notice as soon as he votes for me after me defending him, you all follow by example, instead of using your own minds for once! and your hope that i am mafia atpg...well you may be sorely dissapointed there...but i guess your job includes killing the good ones, i would make a public reveal if you wanted but feel no need to yet
Askthepizzaguy
09-03-2008, 18:52
Aries, feel free to make a public reveal.
If you're about to be lynched it might help us know more about how chaotix might have set up the game. Let's say you had an ability that enabled you to block another person's special. Letting us know that will help us narrow down what abilities you have left.
As a loyal townie, we welcome any information you can offer. As scum, you're dead anyway so it won't matter.
thanks, you lovely scum comment truely succeeds me!
wow it seems even telling you my character wont convince you! would even help rooting out the real mafia as a pose to our petty quabbles? ill say not thing about my identity in this current situation, till i find you more co operative, else you'll probably take me at night time...
dont worry, if thats the case ill likely take you with me aswell
...
If you are truly town, Aries, you would post your role details :bow:
Quintus.JC
09-03-2008, 19:41
anyways, once atpg has captured your minds i can do nothing about it, i notice as soon as he votes for me after me defending him, you all follow by example, instead of using your own minds for once!
It's called bandwaggoning. ~:)
You might want to reveal your role, it's the least you could do.
Askthepizzaguy
09-03-2008, 20:57
OOC-
Aries, you're a good dude and this is absolutely nothing personal.
:grouphug:
IC-
Sorry, Aries, based on your own actions and testimony you are damning yourself and making yourself look even more suspicious. You should be trying to cooperate with town, but you're not. Even before you're being lynched you won't help us.
I know at some point I will be dead, but town will win. Why don't you have the same attitude? If we win, you win.
If you are innocent, you should do a public reveal while you still can.
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Aries, you're a good dude and this is absolutely nothing personal.
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Sorry, Aries, based on your own actions and testimony you are damning yourself and making yourself look even more suspicious. You should be trying to cooperate with town, but you're not. Even before you're being lynched you won't help us.
I know at some point I will be dead, but town will win. Why don't you have the same attitude? If we win, you win.
If you are innocent, you should do a public reveal while you still can.
indeed last time i go on via laptop, one word vista, took ages to log on ,anyway ill tell you, if town is to win i hav nothing to fear, hell ive even said i dont mind u lynching me, ill take the wrap 4 what i didnt do, how quintus gotta out of this ill never no lol
anyway im RYDIA, the young woman summoner,tut tut you treat ladies with respect clearly a good character, that what you were after? now im an easy target for the murder, it was ok for qunitus, but i hav less defense, what a blunder ive made...
and what does your role do again? If it is important it may persuade the "we are so cool" brigade to unvote you :beam:
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