why was i demoted when i asked for my account to be fixed? [Archive]

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barocca

09-28-2008, 02:32

Tosa,

i have been telling you for months that my moderator account was broken,

i have been asking you to fix it,
i could not even unstick topics in my own samurai warlords forum.

instead you have demoted my account,

i did Not resign and i did Not quit

i asked you to fix the permissions and controls on my account.

that you are now ignoring my private messages is frustrating and frankly disrespectful

Barocca

Monk

09-28-2008, 02:53

Hey barocca.

Tosa, from my observations, has not been very active this last week and a half. In that time the .org download servers have gown down and there's been numerous threads springing up about them. Not to mention all the PMs that must have been made, this among all the other issues we've had in recent memory.

It is possible you are just being buried in all the recent troubles. I know how frustrating it must be in your position but if there's anything I can say it's to be patient. And yeah, i know how frustrating that answer is too.

Sorry but it's all I got, hope things get resolved soon. ~:(

Kekvit Irae

09-28-2008, 03:01

.Org coup-de-tat?

pevergreen

09-28-2008, 03:34

As long as this doesnt turn into another Elmo thread :drama1:

Give it a week or two Barocca, then challange him to a duel!

Mithrandir

09-28-2008, 03:35

hope things get resolved soon. ~:(

:yes:

CountArach

09-28-2008, 13:28

.Org coup-de-tat?
Its like TWC all over again...

Jochi Khan

09-28-2008, 13:43

Surely, keeping a Moderator permissions active would be a priority for an Administrator???

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

09-29-2008, 15:07

.Org coup-de-tat?

Yes. He going to do a one man Rebllion! :beam:

Me and my bad jokes :laugh4:

I'm Suprise Tosa hasn't taken care of this yet, but it seems he has been really busy lately though.

barocca

10-02-2008, 08:15

well it's still not fixed,

this post has been ignored,
emails have gone unanswered,
private messages have gone unanswered.

it is simply not good enough, i asked for my account permissions to be fixed so that i could do my job, Medieval 1 forums.
Tosa wanted me to resume file management (admin duties) which i do NOT have time for,
I have a lot of real life issues ongoing, including impending major surgery.

Is Tosa the only person who can fix things around here?
heaven help the org if that is the case,
what happens if (and heaven forbid) Tosa falls off the twig?

where will the org be then?
dead and buried.

why is this not fixed yet?

LeftEyeNine

10-02-2008, 17:52

I've not seen him online for quite some time, B. I'm nearly sure that you're not intentionally ignored. Tosa is the last one to act like that.

Emperor Mithdrates

10-03-2008, 17:48

yesterday Tosa was online. I think the date was the 2nd of October. He didnt do much though. I say we boycott if this thread is not answered in the next two days.
:charge::nospam::charge:

Kralizec

10-03-2008, 17:58

.Org coup-de-tat?

It's coup d'etat....

caravel

10-03-2008, 19:30

I've not seen him online for quite some time, B. I'm nearly sure that you're not intentionally ignored. Tosa is the last one to act like that.

True he was on very briefly a few days ago. Which may explain this thread seemingly being ignored.

I think personally that maybe people should stop spamming this thread and wait for Tosa to reply?

If Tosa does not reply then it's still an issue that is between only those involved.

Ser Clegane is the other admin.

:2cents:

Divinus Arma

10-04-2008, 05:05

Its really weird to see barocca throwing a tantrum. :dizzy2:

You better get on it Tosa, before he does one of these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gIex0pd96U

:whip: :2thumbsup:

Orda Khan

10-04-2008, 10:35

Its really weird to see barocca throwing a tantrum.
I think it's quite understandable. It's also one hell of a coincidence. Pretty shoddy treatment for a long standing staff member.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-05-2008, 22:34

I think it's quite understandable. It's also one hell of a coincidence. Pretty shoddy treatment for a long standing staff member.

Argeed. I don't know what going on. Tosa might be busy, or he might want all the power!!! (joke, :laugh4:). But I'm sure Tosa will get if fixed.

Jochi Khan

10-06-2008, 00:25

Its really weird to see barocca throwing a tantrum.

I've not seen him online for quite some time, B. I'm nearly sure that you're not intentionally ignored. Tosa is the last one to act like that.

There are two Admins.
Tosa is online replying to posts and promoting members to Moderators and Assistant Moderators. Why no reply to this thread about a staff member having problems with his 'permissions'.

pevergreen

10-06-2008, 01:01

He posted in this sub-forum 7 hours ago. Surely he had time to read this thread.

Husar

10-06-2008, 01:45

Yes, he clearly hates you. :dizzy2:

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-06-2008, 02:16

plus he had time to take off my AM rights since I resigned, yet no responce from him or even Ser? Very Odd Indeed..

Gregoshi

10-06-2008, 06:17

This is a private matter to be worked out between the principles involved, i.e., not us. I doubt it would be discussed in public.

Jochi Khan

10-06-2008, 11:25

Why no reply to this thread about a staff member having problems with his 'permissions'.

This did not 'read' as I 'typed' it.
I intended it to read as... Why no reply to a staff member who was having problems with his 'permissions'.
I don't think anyone would expect a public discussion about this matter.

Sasaki Kojiro

10-06-2008, 14:15

Presumably what needs to be said has already been said.

barocca

10-07-2008, 10:37

apparently i have been accused, tried and convicted of doing something that i have not done,

AS SUCH, me being forced to bring this issue to the notice of the public before i got any response to any private query, i feel this issue HAS become public domain, and is of import to all members of the Org.

all the posts from my worksite member's account, that were used as "evidence", have been erased

i have not been told who the jury was, nor the prosecution or what defence was offered,

i was not told that there were any previous issues with anything to do with me or my behaviour or my worksite member's account,
yet this "incident" was declared "the last straw"

there has never been any issue with any staff having private member accounts,
there are valid security reasons for their existence.

i was not even told that there had been a accusation, a trial, a conviction, Nor what the sentence was UNTIL I RAISED THIS THREAD

i would like to point out that what i was punished for,
which was not an argument, not a flame war and which was not even abusive, was a discussion ENTIRELY with member's of Tosa's gaming clan on the furture direction of MY OWN MOD and their complete lack of tolerance for any direction or option that they did not like,
specifically adding the Mongols BACK into the mod. - they were always there, they had been disabled.

the only evidence i can give in my defence is my word of honour, for all my posts were deleted and any restoration of those posts now is likely to be suspect and hotly disputed.

Barocca

Ja'chyra

10-07-2008, 11:37

I can see this discussion rapidly turning bad.

Can I suggest this thread is locked and the discussion taken up somewhere else where it is restricted to the affected parties?

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-07-2008, 16:20

I can see this discussion rapidly turning bad.

Can I suggest this thread is locked and the discussion taken up somewhere else where it is restricted to the affected parties?

Ouch.... Tera-Gate #2?

I doubt it Ja. If Baccoa is going to get screwed, and worse yet, banned, I don't think it would even matter if this thread was lock or not.

However, I do see some sense (if that is the word I should use) in Barocca's posts suprisely.......

But then again, lock this thread before anyone begins to take sides :yes:

it make it only more ugly.

Jochi Khan

10-07-2008, 21:00

Why do you ask to get this Thread Locked??

From reading what has been posted by ONE SIDE only, namely barocca, and nothing posted by the OTHER SIDE, it does give you the feeling that something is not quite right here. (I also know that certain discussions take place in private Staff areas between staff members)

It appears to be a disagreement betweem some Takiyama Clan members and barocca over barocca's Samurai Warlords Mod.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-07-2008, 21:17

Rhyfelwyr

10-07-2008, 23:42

Revolt! Power to the ordinary Orgah! :clown:

Togakure

10-08-2008, 13:53

That's what it appears to be to some who are resentful because support for the mod has dropped since they took it over. Unsubstantiated "feelings" and particularly, assumptions, are irrelevant. In the absence of information, many are jumping to conclusions and making a circus out of this--which I believe is the OP's intent--leveraging those who favor him because he hasn't been able to get his way otherwise. That some allow themselves to be manipulated so easily is frankly, pathetic. This thread doesn't belong on the forum. It's an attempt to start a public attack on the administration, and it saddens me that so many jump on the band wagon, when it has absolutely nothing to do with them. This is turning into a concerted flame war directed at the primary administrator over a presumed injustice. Flaming should not be permitted.

Compared to the vast majority of other internet communities in which I've participated, the Guild is run in a very fair, democratic fashion. Those who participate on other boards should recognize this. Other administrations would simply ban the instigators and everyone else who continued to feed the fire. The fact of the matter is, it's not a democracy. No one has rights here other than what are granted by the owners of the board. If some don't like the way things are handled, they are free to leave.

I'm not going to judge the decision in question because I'm not privy to the facts. But I don't understand why this thread has been allowed to perpetuate. No matter what actually happened, inciting public discord over a personal matter serves no purpose except to disrupt the peace on the forum. It should not be allowed to continue.

Big_John

10-08-2008, 22:20

this is about a modification? you've got to be kidding me.

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-08-2008, 22:44

Yes. TosaInu been logged in almost every day this week, you mean to tell me he can not make at least 1 post here? :juggle2:

Martok

10-08-2008, 23:16

Yes. TosaInu been logged in almost every day this week, you mean to tell me he can not make at least 1 post here? :juggle2:
Unless (as Sasaki pointed out) everything that could be said already *has* been said elsewhere. We cannot presume to know everything -- or indeed, anything at all -- about what happened. :juggle2:

The fact that Tosa hasn't posted a response yet is telling. If he's not discussing it publicly, chances are high there's a very good reason for it.

caravel

10-08-2008, 23:28

What he said ^^

Personally I hope this is all worked out and resolved soon.

I happen to think that the SW mod is probably the best MTW mod there is and for the sake of the mod, the .org and it's members this issue should be resolved in such a way that there is no ill will.

In the meantime some people would do well to swallow their immature comments instead of posting them here.

:bow:

pevergreen

10-09-2008, 11:22

LittleGrizzly

10-09-2008, 14:31

Andres

10-09-2008, 15:21

to fan the flames.

What's wrong with that? After all, the days are getting colder, winter season coming near and all...

I'll grab my coat :shame:

:creep:

caravel

10-09-2008, 15:50

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-09-2008, 16:13

Warman you seem to be here purely to fan the flames, not the behaviour expected of an am or ex am, Elmo left in an argument ? is a shame elmo was a wicked funny guy, i just assumed he went to play rl for a bit...

No I am not. I am here because of this issue, and I do not like what is going on. Ex AM bad behavoir I am showing? And No Public Responce from Tosa is any better? I hate to seem like I am adding gas to the fire, but....

Martok

10-09-2008, 17:27

The only reason I have been asking Tosa to post here, is the Tosa-Elmo debacle still lives in my mind. I don't want anyone to feel forced to leave, I agree the Guild is run very well, but occasionally Tosa has his "off" issues, and I am just wondering if this is one of them.
An understandable enough sentiment. That said, however, it's really still a personal matter between the two of them, and therefore exhorting Tosa to post in this thread isn't going to do much good. If he chooses to comment at all on the subject, it'd likely be to barocca alone....and he'd almost certainly do it in private, not here in front of everyone.

GeneralHankerchief

10-09-2008, 17:37

An understandable enough sentiment. That said, however, it's really still a personal matter between the two of them, and therefore exhorting Tosa to post in this thread isn't going to do much good. If he chooses to comment at all on the subject, it'd likely be to barocca alone....and he'd almost certainly do it in private, not here in front of everyone.

If this is true, then is there any reason that this thread remains open?

drone

10-09-2008, 17:59

If this is true, then is there any reason that this thread remains open?

Locking the thread (by Tosa, who is the only mod here), might be misconstrued as censorship. It's really a lose-lose for him in this situation.

Hopefully calm heads prevail and this gets settled to everyone's satisfaction. :bow:

TinCow

10-09-2008, 18:12

Locking the thread (by Tosa, who is the only mod here), might be misconstrued as censorship. It's really a lose-lose for him in this situation.

Perhaps, but the thread has already been open for nearly 2 weeks. If locking it is censorship, then it's of the most extraordinarily minimal kind.

Kekvit Irae

10-10-2008, 05:44

Honestly, I think the first post should have been made with a little more decorum. One reason Tosa might be avoiding the thread is that he is portrayed as 'the enemy' by some or most of the posters in this thread.

Adrian II

10-10-2008, 07:55

If an Admin acts out of character and uses inflammatory language on the site, it is a sure sign that his days on the staff are over.

If other Admins refuse to address the matter, it is a sure sign that they have not worked out the consequences. Such inaction is bound to affect the entire forum and undo years of good work by long-standing members.

It would be helpful if Ser Clegane, who appears not to be a party to this issue, would inform us in general terms of what we should expect.

If that doesn't happen, I propose that we politely ask KukriKhan and Banquo's Ghost to act as our delegates and clear things up for us, ordinary members.

Husar

10-10-2008, 12:03

Boooooooring!!!

I mean Kekvit is right, when you start a thread that is so absolutely biased to your own viewpoint and accusing of someone else then you can either get a flame war or a thread like this one. I almost hope Tosa will never respond to this. And neither should Ser Clegane if he cannot avoid taking sides. That way an internal issue can be solved internally.

Also if I were the admin I would be less willing to give a mod his position back after a thread like this one here. ~;p

InsaneApache

10-10-2008, 14:52

Also if I were the admin I would be less willing to give a mod his position back after a thread like this one here. ~;p

Not really wanting to get involved in this but IIRC Barocca was an admin, not a moderator.

Husar

10-10-2008, 15:33

Congratulations, you just got involved in this swamp of hatred and true human nature, but let me quote the opening post:

my moderator account was broken

ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88

10-10-2008, 15:44

Gentlemen,

He was a Admin, then a Moderator, now this happened.

I think it looks bad for everyone though. Little bit for barocca for posting it (but then again, I would have to). But mostly on Tosa and them. I understand if they have Private Talk,which is a good way to settle it, but this problem went on for months as I am told, and Tosa is not making a post here (nor is Ser Clegane). I think this thread should be locked, but Let Tosa have the last post to explain his side, then lock it to prevent any more flaming or taking sides.

Mithrandir

10-10-2008, 15:59

More info on this matter can be found here (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGORVav6uw&feature=related).

LittleGrizzly

10-10-2008, 16:25

More info on this matter can be found here (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGORVav6uw&feature=related).

Finally, an unbiased accont of the events leading to this thread for intrested .orgers to make thier own minds up...

Husar

10-10-2008, 17:06

I absolutely agree, a display of true objectivity by Mithrandir, thank you sir. :bow:

Adrian II

10-10-2008, 17:08

Barocca was a respected Admin of this forum. He was Ser Clegane's predecessor. I hope that his upcoming surgery will be successful and that he will completely recover.

I think we all want to know if this fall-out will have consequences for the continuity of the .Org. There is no shame or dishonor in that, particularly since many of us have invested heavily in this forum, maybe less than Tosa, Barocca or Ser Clegane, but certainly more than myself, which is enough to feel concerned.

Viking

10-10-2008, 20:49

For starters; info from more than one person is would be...hmm...should one say, vital?

If this is bull, the thread should be locked. If not, what's its purpose; with no relevant commentary?

:gah:

caravel

10-10-2008, 22:26

More info on this matter can be found here (http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGORVav6uw&feature=related).

Hi camelness has spoken, thread closed.

For starters; info from more than one person is would be...hmm...should one say, vital?

If this is bull, the thread should be locked. If not...

Then perhaps a cow or similar bovine? :beam:

Sasaki Kojiro

10-11-2008, 04:03

Well, Tosa doesn't seem to want to post in this thread, so I'll post a copy of my pm conversation with him(long):

Gotcha! :laugh4:

Big_John

10-11-2008, 04:08

Well, Tosa doesn't seem to want to post in this thread, so I'll post a copy of my pm conversation with him(long):

Gotcha! :laugh4:
posting PM convos = instant ban. regardless of how short and obtuse the PMs are. :balloon2:

barocca

10-11-2008, 06:59

EndOfTopic

in Australia when someone refuses to participate in a discussion, commentary or argument,
but instead flounces off into a corner and sulks we call that a Princess Tanty.

the reason this is posted in the public domain is in post#1 and post#9 of this thread.

FURTHER > accusations are being made on private forums that I do not have access to and that many of you do not have access to.
ALL accusations are hereby answered in full.

there was no flame war

there is no "dodgy" undercover account

there is my main staff account which has been BROKEN since February,
and which I have been asking Tosa to FIX since FEBRUARY,

there is my worksite account that was put in place with TOSA's FORE-KNOWLEDGE & PERMISSION in May of 2007 to protect the org's admin passwords due to my worksite's keylogging and traffic capture policy.

there has been one previous instance where i had a worksite account, that was created many years ago just after TeraGate, and again that was with TOSA's FORE-KNOWLEDGE & PERMISSION

the worksite account made no posts that would even gain a zero point warning under the org's forum rules.

At The Org in July 2008 -
the Samurai mod desync was fixed, the mongols re-activated, input was requested, the thread went silent,
the Samurai Forum went silent,

from my worksite account i posted "seems some people dont want the mongols"
which was my opinion at that time, but is now a Known Fact;

i further posted "at least they are not filling the thread with static",

static = useless chatter/clutter/noise

"at least they are not filling the thread with static"
at least "they" were not wasting my time, by filling the thread with useless posts, whinging and complaining,
instead "they" left the thread clean and clear.

i posted a thankyou, backhanded maybe -if you are a Princess and prone to Tanty's;
but that was a thankyou nonetheless.

I RECENTLY posted on an EXTERNAL forum that it seemed the others were sulking about me reactivating the mongol faction in my mod,
they had ceased to participate on any level.
THAT post did not actually NAME the clan, that post did not break any rules on the EXTERNAL forum.
and WOULD NOT break any rules had i posted it on the Org Forum EITHER.

Tosa and Clan Mizu/Takiyama would have you believe that for saying "thank you for not wasting my time" from my worksite account (known by/to Tosa) i am now being punished,
in the last week of september?
for a post made early in july??
for a post that was seen by those concerned on the day???

ABSOLUTE ROT - i am being punished for an opinion I voiced on a different website altogether - not for breaking Org's rules.
in order To convict me they had to invent a new crime.

This issue has been handled disgracefully by the Overseers here,

I cannot work for or under the current Mizu/Takiyama Overseers.

I will make no further comment on this issue while the Overseers responsible for my punishment remain at the Org.

The Org is no longer a place where Honour has value or meaning.
The Org is no longer a place for honourable warriors and players to congregate.

Barocca, Doragon.

EndOfTopic

therother

10-11-2008, 09:41

I hope that his upcoming surgery will be successful and that he will completely recover.Indeed. :bow: