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Mithrandir
11-10-2008, 01:49
log 2.5
Too sleepy to do much.
received weird text message from captain, couldn't be bugged to read it all, only remembered "must select suspicious name" and "YLC chose you".

Considering it'd be impolite not to return the favor I texted the message to the captain "vote:YLC.

After that I went back to sleep.

seireikhaan
11-10-2008, 01:57
Vote: Chaotix

For trying to pull of preemptive strikes against an attack, as well as being intentionally hypocritical.

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 02:16
It seems to me that Peasant Phill has been very much of a lurker. I'm also not satisfied with Chaotix' contributions to the game.

I'd very much like to analyze CR's post before I vote.

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 02:43
The numbers on the alarm clock flicked and the bleating began. A weary crewmember mumbled and turned in his cot. The bleating continued until a hand finally landed on the clock and fumbled around for the off button.

The crewmember sat up and rubbed his eyes. Another day had begun, though at least no one had been killed in the night.

Andres put on his work clothes grabbed his tool bag. He felt sleepier than he normally did in the morning. He yawned and set off to his post in the engine room.

He made his way down the corridors. The light was steady and unwavering, and all he could hear was the sound of his own footfalls.

Finally he arrived at the engine room. He opened the door and turned to set his tools down. The engine room was one of the biggest spaces on the ship, because it contained the huge amounts of machinery that powered The Prometheus through the void. A lot of the crew worked at maintaining the engine and accompanying equipment.

But no one else was in the room now. Andres looked around again. The engine room was deserted.

But then he saw somebody; a lone figure standing still across the room.

After their eyes met, the figure spoke, “It is fitting your downfall should be brought about in this place, this den of evil. But now you shall be put right!”

Andres saw another figure emerge and approach him from another part of the engine room, and he had turned to run before the speaker had finished his first sentence. Leaving his tools, he turned to run back through the door he had entered in. But as soon as he made it through the doorway, shadows closed in and attacked him, swinging metal pipes and tools. Andres’ frantic yells for help were quickly cut short.

The bloody deed done, all the figures made their way out of the area.

Several hours later, back in the sleeping area, the rest of the crew on Andres’ shift woke up to their alarm clocks.

Emphasis mine.
From this, I really believe we can conclude that the mafia are either expanding in number, or have been concealing their numbers all along.

I do not think that they have been concealing their numbers, because the best strategy for mafia is to kill as many townies as possible. Wasting any turn to pretend to have fewer numbers may indeed fool town, but it does not bring them closer to victory; while town uses it's free turn to get an extra random shot at the mafia. In summary, a suicidal move for mafia.

I conclude, based on all the evidence we have gathered so far, based on CR's posts, and mafia's activity, that we do indeed have a cult on our hands, to a great degree of certainty.


The morning was a depressed affair as the crew worked slowly to clean up the mess and prepare the body of Andres. As it was being done, The Captain moved from group to group of men, telling them to focus today on the task of hunting those responsible.

The Captain was sure that the killers were among those he talked to, that he had looked them in the eye, but he did not know who and that thought haunted him. They were here and he knew he was close to catching them.

I think CR is hinting that we got close to lynching them in previous rounds. I can think of no other reason to specifically word this the way he did.

Seamus Fermanagh
11-10-2008, 03:00
Vote: Chaotix27

Semi-lurking throughout; trying to balance a low profile with being around just enough to avoid suspicion. Always a reasonable excuse for under-participation. If my suspicinions are incorrect, NOW would be a good time to convince us a bit.



Shadows could be ANY number of attackers, but the wording carefully avoids letting us know how many.

This is the second night we've had killers. Some kind of conversion factor is, I strongly suspect, in play. We have at least one pro/semi-pro town role in play as well. I hope you're getting good info whoever you are...

Csargo
11-10-2008, 03:08
Vote:khaan

Semi-Lurking is his style when mafia, that's what he seems to be doing now.

seireikhaan
11-10-2008, 03:09
O RLY?

ULC
11-10-2008, 03:35
Unvote: Mithrandir
Vote: Chaotix

You behavior, as pointed out well enough, is disturbingly similar to how you behaved in my mafia. Also, you were absent for two days, the days in which the mafia did not kill at all. Kinda adds up to me.

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 03:38
Ok folks, here's what I've come up with, with a little help from YLC, and some credit to Ichigo for being a sounding board.

My current theory is that CR could have been hinting at who the guilty parties are, my reasoning above. Here is the previous tallies:


Kukrikhan: 1 (Sigurd)
White eyes: 2 (Phill, khaan)
Reenk: 1 (mithrandir)
Sigurd: 3 (YLC, Seamus, Pizza)
SeiriKhaan: 1 (White eyes)
Yoyoma: 1 (pevergreen)


Khaan: 2 (ichi, pever, )
Aries: 1 (khaan)
ATPG: 2 (Andres, Reenk)
Glyphz: 3 (Sigurd, pizzaguy, YLC)
Andres: 2 (Mithrandir, ATPG)


Makaikhaan:4 (Chaotix, White eyes, Rythmic, Kukri)
Rythmic: 4 (Aries, Reenk, YLC, Pizzaguy)
Pizzaguy: 3 (pevergreen, yoyoma, Andres)
Reenk Roink:0 ()
pevergreen: 1 (shlin)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Sigurd)
Andres:1(makai)
Seamus: 1 (Ichigo)
Abstain:3 (Seamus, Peasant Phill, AtPG)

Second place finishers bolded.

White Eyes was the last one to be near-voted. Before that, it was Makaikhaan, myself, and Andres, who is now dead, and before that Makaikhaan was within a hair of being axed.

My top suspects are White Eyes, Makaikhaan, and Chaotix. I volunteer to die this round or any other round, since I am also a suspect. I would like to vote Chaotix this round and put the FOS on White Eyes and Makaikhaan. Mak did act suspiciously in the beginning of the thread, and White Eyes is not only the last to dodge the axe, but also been less than helpful.

Vote: Chaotix

seireikhaan
11-10-2008, 03:48
How am I suspicious? For that matter, how are any of those folks suspicious? You just threw names out there. The only reasoning I found in there was that I "acted suspicious" and that white eyes isn't helpful. I have acted fully "not scummy", methinks, and white eyes not being helpful is no reason to vote for him.

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 03:58
How am I suspicious? For that matter, how are any of those folks suspicious? You just threw names out there. The only reasoning I found in there was that I "acted suspicious" and that white eyes isn't helpful. I have acted fully "not scummy", methinks, and white eyes not being helpful is no reason to vote for him.

I did not just "throw names" out there. Each person nearly got voted, and I suspect CR was trying to tell us something, that we were close, or have been close. Therefore it makes sense to take a closer look at the second place finishers.

While I haven't been the one who has been accusing you of scummy behavior, others have. And so far, I don't think you've responded to that in a satisfactory way. But rather than explain yourself to me, I would direct you to their posts and their accusations. I actually have stuff I gotta do at the moment, but I will be back to point you to those posts.

I agree, the case isn't ironclad, but there is no such thing as an ironclad case. I've been suspected for talking too much, which is hardly an ironclad case. Others have been (jokingly) voted for because they are big fans of camels. At the very least, I'm putting some thought into my votes, and giving clear reasons.

I can't say the same about White Eyes, and I have doubts about you, too. No offense, of course, my friend.

:bow:

seireikhaan
11-10-2008, 04:10
I did not just "throw names" out there. Each person nearly got voted, and I suspect CR was trying to tell us something, that we were close, or have been close. Therefore it makes sense to take a closer look at the second place finishers.

While I haven't been the one who has been accusing you of scummy behavior, others have. And so far, I don't think you've responded to that in a satisfactory way. But rather than explain yourself to me, I would direct you to their posts and their accusations. I actually have stuff I gotta do at the moment, but I will be back to point you to those posts.

I agree, the case isn't ironclad, but there is no such thing as an ironclad case. I've been suspected for talking too much, which is hardly an ironclad case. Others have been (jokingly) voted for because they are big fans of camels. At the very least, I'm putting some thought into my votes, and giving clear reasons.

I can't say the same about White Eyes, and I have doubts about you, too. No offense, of course, my friend.

:bow:
Whatever. There's been silliness abroad in this game. Think I'm guilty? :shrug: Whatever, let me know when you've gathered your posts.

White_eyes:D
11-10-2008, 04:11
How am I suspicious? For that matter, how are any of those folks suspicious? You just threw names out there. The only reasoning I found in there was that I "acted suspicious" and that white eyes isn't helpful. I have acted fully "not scummy", methinks, and white eyes not being helpful is no reason to vote for him.

Yet, you voted for me :inquisitive: I came in not sure if I was dead or WOG as I was in a 'I don't feel like reading 5 pages of Khann and ATPG accusing themselves and others' If I want that I can go and do a essay.:wall:

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat:thumbsdown: and if anyone is guilty it's the guys who came close last round I would think.....I mean for day one I just made one comment and two guys voted for different reasons..

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 04:14
As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat:thumbsdown:

That's entirely plausible. I hadn't considered Phill was out to get you, though. There's way too many people in this game and it's hard to keep track of things. I'll give it some thought and review it, but it's too late for me to do it tonight.

seireikhaan
11-10-2008, 04:16
Yet, you voted for me :inquisitive: I came in not sure if I was dead or WOG as I was in a 'I don't feel like reading 5 pages of Khann and pizzaguy accusing themselves and others' If I want that I can go and do a essay.:wall:

As for not being 'helpful' I told you that Phill and seireikhaan are out to get me for reason's such as "not active" or "blaming them for the confusion" pretty hollow if you ask me....there just looking for a scapegoat:thumbsdown:
I was pointing out pizzaguy was piggybacking off of other's reasoning without even explaining what they were. But ya, I do find it annoying to find someone voting for me just because they thought I was confusing things, when I wasn't really posting much anyways, and besides, my posts were short anyways. So, on the contrary, I'd say its you who was looking for a scapegoat. :thumbsdown:

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 04:18
Alexander the Pretty Good is still in this game, so to avoid confusion, please refer to me as pizzaguy, not ATPG.

Reenk Roink
11-10-2008, 04:19
Ok, Aries777777, where are you buddy? You didn't vote last round, and I could not find another suitable man to follow so I didn't vote last round (though I participated but our captain says it is not enough; he must follow that silly "Vote or Die" slogan :grin2:).

Early on you were active with your jokes and your votes, but now you're gone and I'm not laughing or guided, and it's becoming terribly hard to play in my new way. :shame: I may have to vote for you in the future.

Because I am not kept satisfied by such good humor, I took some time out to be 'analytical' today in the hopes that maybe I could be helpful to us crewmembers.

First, I am shocked that Sigurd Fafnesbane was lynched this early for a pretty weak reason, even by common townie standards. An incredibly stupid thing to do if I may criticize the crew.

The history of Mafia has seen a lot of great people (many of the new ones I don't know so much about either), some almost legendary; but Siggy Fafnessie is by far the most complete player. I consider him to be one of the best hosts and one of the best townies, as well is the best Mafia ever.

By lynching him, especially this early, Sigurd's alignment is unknown. You can imagine the epistemic problems this brings when he will attempt to posthumously 'help' the town...

What would have been wiser was to let the Mafia kill him off, at least making it much more plausible that Sigurd was innocent or in a non-Mafia role. Then he could help us and we could trust him. :idea2:

And had Sigurd remained alive by the end stages of the game, you could be sure that I would be on him hard for it. Sigurd has screwed the town and myself personally over brilliantly twice before in endgame, and one of my personal goals is to foil him.

What we did to Sigurd is the worst thing to do concerning him.

Secondly, I'm saddened though not surprised at how dogmatically people draw conclusions about the Mafia from scant evidence such as write ups or non killing behavior. They really prove nothing, and I would never make conclusions about the number of Mafia or how they operate from them personally.

Lastly, and I held off on doing this for a bit because I respect Seamus Fermanagh a ton, but I would be somewhat inclined to view him suspiciously since the get go.

Read this:


Er... the one person whose behavior really sets off my alarms at this point, and who I'd like an explanation from, is Seamus Fermanagh.

Why is this? Originally it was because mathematically, he's registered a definite behavior change from past games. He posts less and his posts are generally shorter. This doesn't mean much, but it was enough to get my attention and make me look into the content of his posts.

What I've seen there looks innocuous on the surface - as in past games, he's posted voting records and some commentary on them. We know him well enough by now that it's obligatory that he do this - I'm confident he would do it whether he was a mafioso or not.

But something's a bit off. The commentary this time is much lighter, not very focused, and lacking the insightful confidence that was there in previous games.

I think Seamus is doing what he did in that game. He is propping up the same framework so as to not blatantly show a change in behavior, but at the same time, it is also more shallow which, according to popular townie thought, is an indicator of trying to fly under the radar, which, again according to popular townie though, is a telltale mark of Mafia.

Now, I must add that I am probably one of the strongest opponents of using changes in behavior or semi-lurking as indicators of Mafia, because of the fact that it is such a poorly grounded theoretical framework (yes it has worked before, but I look for an epistemic and not pragmatic justification and you would think Mafia would caught on by now).

So by no means does this damn Seamus or anything close to it. Unlike Kommodus, I will not endorse voting for people based on the above-mentioned methodology for the above-mentioned reasons.

I do caution you to deal with Seamus with some trepidation though. Something about him is just not right (actually, that is MY personal reason for my suspicion, and I gave the evidence that usual townies accept so that YOU would also consider it).

No hard feelings buddy, as I said my personal stance makes me very critical of this method of suspicion in the first place. However, since everyone else is grasping at imaginary threads, I would like to point out a particularly big and fat imaginary thread. You are a great player and were it not for my close knowledge of your ways from earlier times, I wouldn't have caught this. :bow:

I will for now vote: Chaotix27 because Seamus is a good man as any to follow, and again, he is suspicious by the common methodologies gauge (BUT SO IS SEAMUS BY THE SAME METHODOLOGY).

Hope some of this helped. :bow: At the very least, I hope it was interesting in some way that makes the game more fun, which is the main reason to play. :2thumbsup:

P.S: This definitely isn't going to be a habit by the way :laugh4:

A Vote Tally (cause none of you do it anyway ~;p):

Chaotix27: 4 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 2 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good)
seireikhaan: 1 (White_eyes:D, Ichigo)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
pevergreen: 1 (Twilightblade)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)

Edit: There is no way that Chaotix27 could be Mafia, unless he really doesn't care about getting lynched (such apathy would be legendary and quite ballsy for Mafia :2thumbsup:). Voting will be closed in an hour or so

Unvote: Chaotix27
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

To try and force a tie to save a pretty clearly innocent townie (though I don't know if Askthepizzaguy is a good lynch either, he's better than Chaotix27).

New Vote Tally:

Chaotix27: 4 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy)
Askthepizzaguy: 3 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good, Reenk Roink)
seireikhaan: 2 (White_eyes:D, Ichigo)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
pevergreen: 1 (Twilightblade)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)

White_eyes:D
11-10-2008, 04:27
Alexander the Pretty Good is still in this game, so to avoid confusion, please refer to me as pizzaguy, not ATPG.

Pizza guy it is...and Khaan you and pizzaguy are the top suspects in my mind....reason? you guys went at each right at the start and I get the feeling your trying to avoid lynching each other....:inquisitive:
in case you guys forgot check this out....


There is a tie!
Between Makaikhaan and Rythmic!

Makaikhaan:4 (Chaotix, White eyes, Rythmic, Kukri)
Rythmic: 4 (Aries, Reenk, YLC, Pizzaguy)

If Pizzaguy's argument holds any weight then it must be Khann as if you check in each area of Pizzaguy's bolded 'Come close to Cyro sleep stuff' Khann either Voted for or was voted in each bolded area...

pevergreen
11-10-2008, 04:38
I do believe I heard Andres leaving early...He was in my area.

Normally we take a walk at night if one of us can't sleep. Buddies do that for each other.

I believe the next people to be 'freezed' should be: Khaan, Guy with Pizzas and then Seamus.

Vote: Khaan

Say, can someone give me the room number of that Mith guy? I've got something I'd like to show him.

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 04:42
Unvote: Chaotix27
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

To try and force a tie to save a pretty clearly innocent townie (though I don't know if Askthepizzaguy is a good lynch either, he's better than Chaotix27)

You didn't add a new post, you edited your post to change your vote. Did you think people wouldn't notice? It seems to me you didn't want people to know who you were voting for, if they had already read your post, they would have missed the fact that you changed it.

Such a move is not on the level, and you've just gone to the top of my list. Explain yourself, please.

Twilightblade
11-10-2008, 04:48
Pizzaguy your posting alot again
Unvote:pevergreen
Vote:pizzaguy

Edit: why did you stop for a while?

pevergreen
11-10-2008, 04:50
Stop editing posts with votes in them, aren't they not counted anymore?

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 04:53
Pizzaguy your posting alot again
Unvote:pevergreen
Vote:pizzaguy

Edit: why did you stop for a while?

1. I am trying to do a quiz for my humanities class.
2. I posted plenty already, voted, and found my next suspects.
3. Now you're telling me I should keep posting (wtf?)
4. "Posting a lot" is your reason for voting for me.
5. You rarely ever post and your activities are hidden because you're on invisible.

That being said, I already have my suspects, and I do have a quiz that's due by 11:55 tonight. My vote stands.

Reenk Roink
11-10-2008, 04:56
You didn't add a new post, you edited your post to change your vote. Did you think people wouldn't notice? It seems to me you didn't want people to know who you were voting for, if they had already read your post, they would have missed the fact that you changed it.

Such a move is not on the level, and you've just gone to the top of my list. Explain yourself, please.

lol! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :balloon2:

Do I even need to explain myself? No, probably not. But I will because it's fun. :laugh4:

I edited my post, clearly noting that I edited my post both in the post itself and in the little edit bar.

I left the original vote in it's original context and even the original tally in it's original context.

Normally, given your transgression towards me, plus some of the (weak certainly) evidence put forth against you, I would feel very happy with my vote to kill you, an annoyance and possibly Mafia.

But I also like to toy with you. If I spare you tonight, and revote Chaotix27, you will probably just get lynched next round so no biggie. You on the other hand, will have to endure the dreaded wait.

Your life and death are at my hand Askthepizzaguy. I can actually make a vote count! :2thumbsup:

I will make my decision soon, but I want to know, will you beg? :eyebrows::eyebrows::eyebrows:

This is a test for you....

:beam:

Twilightblade
11-10-2008, 04:57
Stop editing posts with votes in them, aren't they not counted anymore?

Would you have prefered a double post?

I'm sure that next time I will be able to facilitate you should that be true

White_eyes:D
11-10-2008, 05:00
I am going to shoot myself in the foot for this but......Unvote:Khann Vote:Chaotix Reenk Roink sudden change in vote has me worried....:inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive:

Reenk Roink
11-10-2008, 05:06
Stop editing posts with votes in them, aren't they not counted anymore?

Wait, if you're actually not allowed to do this I apologize. Just trying to keep the thread clutter free. :bow:


I am going to shoot myself in the foot for this but......Unvote:Khann Vote:Chaotix Reenk Roink sudden change in vote has me worried....:inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive::inquisitive:

DAMN YOU! I was going to torture Askthepizzaguy and you ruined my fun! ~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:mecry:~:me cry:

Vote tally:


Chaotix27: 5 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, White_eyes:D)
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good, Reenk Roink, Twilightblade)
seireikhaan: 2 (Ichigo, pevergreen)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)

White_eyes:D
11-10-2008, 05:07
lol! :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: :balloon2:

Do I even need to explain myself? No, probably not. But I will because it's fun. :laugh4:

I edited my post, clearly noting that I edited my post both in the post itself and in the little edit bar.

I left the original vote in it's original context and even the original tally in it's original context.

Normally, given your transgression towards me, plus some of the (weak certainly) evidence put forth against you, I would feel very happy with my vote to kill you, an annoyance and possibly Mafia.

But I also like to toy with you. If I spare you tonight, and revote Chaotix27, you will probably just get lynched next round so no biggie. You on the other hand, will have to endure the dreaded wait.

Your life and death are at my hand Askthepizzaguy. I can actually make a vote count! :2thumbsup:

I will make my decision soon, but I want to know, will you beg? :eyebrows::eyebrows::eyebrows:

This is a test for you....

:beam:

Your Crazy like the Joker......:clown::clown::clown::clown::balloon2::balloon2::balloon2: "Why aren't you smiling?"

Askthepizzaguy
11-10-2008, 05:09
I won't dance for you, Reenk. And I won't beg for your vote either. You must decide based on the evidence presented. I won't be swayed by emotion-based arguments or taunting.

Logging off now, since you guys won't let me leave. :laugh2:

Crazed Rabbit
11-10-2008, 05:51
DO NOT EDIT VOTES INTO POSTS

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/spacewalk-4.jpg (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Getting+Thrown+Out+the+Airlock&spell=1)

CR

pevergreen
11-10-2008, 07:18
Unvote: Khaan, Vote: Pizza Guy

Arent there a few votes for khaan?

ULC
11-10-2008, 08:47
Any reason your trying to tie this up Pever?

pevergreen
11-10-2008, 09:03
I like this Reenk guy, I'm trying to let him have his fun.

ULC
11-10-2008, 09:08
So, in the interests of "fun", instead of actually taking logical steps, lets simply randomize, hope for the best, and hell, if were wrong, then damn, lets spin that wheel and try again, because we have plenty of time and people to do that with.

HoS: Pevergreen

Beefy187
11-10-2008, 09:45
Dont know who to vote. But I doubt its Pizza.

White_eyes:D
11-10-2008, 10:23
Dont know who to vote. But I doubt its Pizza.

should change you vote if that's the case (I find it weird how three people sudden change there vote to Pizzaguy)

Twilightblade
11-10-2008, 11:09
Unvote: Pizzaguy
Vote: beefy

just wanted to know why pizza stopped posting for a couple phases but it looks like I'm not goin to get an answer

Sigurd
11-10-2008, 11:13
The following was found on the electronic message boards at the hot spots of the ship:


Should we take anything from the logged events from last night it would be this:
Two tree-huggers waited for Andres in the engine room and as he escaped the engine room he was apparently assaulted by shadows (plural). We can draw from this that the number of bad guys has not diminished since you imprisoned Sigurd (me).

The Reinkmaster speaks highly of me and complain that I was imprisoned. I do note that he took no steps to prevent this injustice. I also notice that a voting pattern has emerged.
I notice that YLC and Seamus wants Pizzaguy to survive, the same perpetrators that was responsible for putting me into this cryo-chamber. Yoyoma made a nonsensical vote like Ichigo did not too long ago, but Pizza is not jumping on him for it. Will it generate too much attention on you now that you have converted to the "green cause"?
There is a cryo-pod right next to me here in the chamber. I hope to see you here. I am going to give you the evil eye during the remainder of this journey.

Beefy187
11-10-2008, 12:18
I said I dont think its pizza guy.. Theres no reason to change my vote just yet.. I could go for TB but I wanna actually make my vote count.

Wasnt it Pizza guy in first place who brought up the idea that mafia has been converting people? Thus there should be three mafia supporters? If pizza man is one of the baddys why bring it up? Sure it could be reverse psychology and for that he must be lynched eventually, but why lynch a guy whos been at least providing ideas more then most of you when more then half of us are still alive?

If we can avoid the woggs then I say we wait few more phases before we decide the fate of the Pizza guy.

Sigurd
11-10-2008, 13:31
Wasnt it Pizza guy in first place who brought up the idea that mafia has been converting people? Thus there should be three mafia supporters? If pizza man is one of the baddys why bring it up? Sure it could be reverse psychology and for that he must be lynched eventually, but why lynch a guy whos been at least providing ideas more then most of you when more then half of us are still alive?

If we can avoid the woggs then I say we wait few more phases before we decide the fate of the Pizza guy.

A message suddenly pops up on the message screens:


Easy ...
The greenies knew that their numbers would be revealed as increasing in the writeups and therefore it would be smart to appear townish to gain trust with the rest of the uninformed majority. Let's control this game TinCow style so to speak.

Reenk Roink
11-10-2008, 16:04
Your Crazy like the Joker......:clown::clown::clown::clown::balloon2::balloon2::balloon2: "Why aren't you smiling?"

Heh, don't blame me.

I actually came in tonight with the sincere intention of being analytical (like Seamus)
and voted for Chaotix27 because I was following Seamus, who himself was following the
conventional townie wisdom of voting for semi-lurkers (not something I'm a strong
supporter of, but I gotta follow someone).

Only after it became extremely late and I saw that Chaotix27 did not defend himself AT
ALL, I thought something was peculiar. Honestly that is the most unlike Mafia behavior
ever, much more convincing then semi-lurking, behavior changes, and the like.

So I voted for Askthepizzaguy who was one of those closest to him in votes and kinda
digging his own grave.

Only later did I see that 1) Askthepizzaguy accused me with something so weak and
paranoid that it would put Sasaki to shame :laugh4: and 2) that someone else had actually
tied the vote.

These two events put me in a great position as it 1) gave me the chance to toy with
someone and finally discover efficacy in voting and 2) legitimize my doing this because
it's kinda rude to do it to someone who hasn't done anything to you.

You ruined that chance by tagging an extra vote on Chaotix27 and breaking the tie
~:mecry:. Voting is still useless it seems... :shrug:

Vote Tally:

Chaotix27: 5 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, White_eyes:D)
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good, Reenk Roink, pevergreen)
seireikhaan: 1 (Ichigo)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)
Beefy187: 1 (Twilightblade)

Csargo
11-10-2008, 16:17
Unvote: khaan, Vote: ATPG

Reenk Roink
11-10-2008, 16:18
Ok, I must confess I have had to reevaluate most of my 'analysis' in the past 5 minutes (don't worry Seamus, you are EVEN more suspicious under my new theory :laugh4:).

Why hasn't the voting round ended? :inquisitive:

My initial proclamation of Chaotix27's innocence was that it is extremely peculiar that a Mafia would simply not care as he was getting lynched. But now, it seems possible that he knew of extended voting. Brilliant if you are a Mafia, you completely blew away my expectations. :bow:

Askthepizzaguy who dug his own grave is now getting sympathy? Is this the fickleness of the town? Yes, maybe he isn't the best lynch at the moment, but he is annoying and causing minor confusion. So even though you passed my test Askthepizzaguy, I will dishonor my agreement and keep my vote on you for the moment.

Sigurd's recent posts seem bitter and malevolent, though still ambiguous. He seems to want to lynch Askthepizzaguy badly. Did I not warn you town? He could very well be Mafia.

In fact, a theory popped up in my mind. If the speculation about conversions and several Mafia is true, I believe we could be dealing with a supergroup of Mafia, with a core of Sigurd Fafnesbane and Seamus Fermanagh. Chaotix27 would be a perfect third for them. His behavior in this round is clearly Sigurd influenced.

I think one of the SF's was the mastermind 'Godfather' figure who did a darn good job of recruiting excellent players, old and new.

I only have two things to say to you if this is true:

1) WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK ME!??!?! ~:mecry: Yes, I would be rusty, but one can't lose talent. :beam:

2) Because you didn't pick me, you going down suckas! :duel:

Yoyoma1910
11-10-2008, 18:50
unvote:smegheads


vote: Reenk Roink


I don't know, it all sounds like smoke and mirrors to me.

Reenk Roink
11-10-2008, 20:50
Been thinking about this more and Seamus has voted for Chaotix27 and neither of them has said anything and the voting period seems to be indefinite.

Unvote: Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Chaotix27

Get talking gentlemen. :yes:

Tally:

Chaotix27: 6 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, White_eyes:D, Reenk Roink)
Askthepizzaguy: 4 (shilin28, Alexander the Pretty Good, Ichigo, pevergreen)
YLC: 1 (Mithrandir)
Peasant Phill: 1 (Beefy187)
shilin28: 1 (Chaotix27)
Beefy187: 1 (Twilightblade)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Yoyoma1910)

I had left Yoyoma1910 off all my previous tallies because I thought his vote wasn't for a real person, sorry.

Yoyoma1910
11-10-2008, 21:07
I had left Yoyoma1910 off all my previous tallies because I thought his vote wasn't for a real person, sorry.

It wasn't, but I was told that if I didn't vote this round I would be tossed into outer space. I didn't think I would have time to seriously consider a vote on Sunday (and I didn't), but didn't want to pick some random person.



Since I've now had time to think and analyze the situation, I voted for a real person. Not that I have any concrete proof, but just a feeling...




P.S. I've loosely been trying to rp the main character from Red Dwarf, but that seems to confuse people more than entertain them, and I was only half heartedly trying anyway, so I'll discontinue from this post on.

Seamus Fermanagh
11-10-2008, 22:45
The following was found on the electronic message boards at the hot spots of the ship:


Should we take anything from the logged events from last night it would be this:
Two tree-huggers waited for Andres in the engine room and as he escaped the engine room he was apparently assaulted by shadows (plural). We can draw from this that the number of bad guys has not diminished since you imprisoned Sigurd (me).

The Reinkmaster speaks highly of me and complain that I was imprisoned. I do note that he took no steps to prevent this injustice. I also notice that a voting pattern has emerged.
I notice that YLC and Seamus wants Pizzaguy to survive, the same perpetrators that was responsible for putting me into this cryo-chamber. Yoyoma made a nonsensical vote like Ichigo did not too long ago, but Pizza is not jumping on him for it. Will it generate too much attention on you now that you have converted to the "green cause"?
There is a cryo-pod right next to me here in the chamber. I hope to see you here. I am going to give you the evil eye during the remainder of this journey.





Yes, it would seem that taking you out was mis-placed. In truth, I didn't really expect the anemic and divided vote to end up with you having a plurality. Sorry 'bout that. I just wanted to push you a notch to get some push back and up my confidence in you. As Reenk notes, you're pretty good at this -- in all roles -- so I was testing.

Similarly, my goal in this round is to create enough pressure to text chaotix a bit and see what is said. Pushing pizza is irrelevant as he just retreats to his standard "go ahead and vote for me if you wish." I don't have hard evidence against either.

Reenk:

In the old, pre-AM/mod days I made more time to do things like excel spreadsheets on every vote and vote change. While I still think that's useful, our recent economy is demanding more effort from this insurance salesman and commissions do not generate themselves. Sorry to bring up a lousy R/L excuse, but there it is. You can scan back the last 3-4 games for me and you'll see less specificity -- sad but true.

Unvote: Chaotix27

Vote: Askthepixxaguy

Let's get some pushback from you as to why your're for us and not just throwing stuff out to bamboozle us please.

Chaotix
11-10-2008, 22:47
Whoa.... looks like I'm gonna be lynched!

Alright, the reason why I've been semi-lurking is that I've been really busy. It wasn't even really lurking, it was just not having the time to be online. Also, I'm acting similarly to YLC's Res Evil Mafia cause I was really busy then, too. In fact, I've been really busy from around that game to right now, because I've had loads of random crap to do at school. A school play, a mock election, that sorta stuff. All of that is over, however, as of last Saturday, and although I will still be busy with homework, I will have sufficient time to post intelligently. :bow:

Ok. Honestly, I'm not mafia (Or at least I don't think I am, or I haven't been converted yet). However, there's no reason you should believe my words, and this is where the age-old argument comes in: make myself look innocent so that you don't lynch me, while you all make random accusations at me backed up with vague logic. I don't really feel like defending myself right now, as there's probably not many people who will change their votes now, anyway. So I'll just say this: If you lynch me, you'll just be wasting a vote, and chances are I'll still post anyway in an attempt to help out. Might as well lynch someone else.

Unvote: Whichever Lurker I voted For, Vote: Reenk Roink

He stinks of suspiciousness to me, especially this line:


In fact, a theory popped up in my mind. If the speculation about conversions and several Mafia is true, I believe we could be dealing with a supergroup of Mafia, with a core of Sigurd Fafnesbane and Seamus Fermanagh. Chaotix27 would be a perfect third for them. His behavior in this round is clearly Sigurd influenced.

I think one of the SF's was the mastermind 'Godfather' figure who did a darn good job of recruiting excellent players, old and new.

I only have two things to say to you if this is true:

1) WHY DIDN'T YOU PICK ME!??!?! Yes, I would be rusty, but one can't lose talent.

2) Because you didn't pick me, you going down suckas!"

Mmmkay. First of all, I posted a random, stupid vote. Hardly like Sigurd, who is usually analytical and logical.
Second, he joked about wanting to have been chosen for mafia. Could be an innocent-sounding little ploy, because he actually is mafia. That's just what popped into my head, though.

Alright, I'll be back to see what's goin' on after I finish mah homeworkz.

shlin28
11-10-2008, 22:52
I believe you, that's why I'm gonna Vote: AskThePi- Oh wait, I already voted for him.

*Trudges back to his room, complaining about how the captain is evil and never writes out the my assignment properly*

PS: I dare the mafia to attack me :devilish:

Crazed Rabbit
11-10-2008, 22:58
Voting Ended, Tallying.

CR

Crazed Rabbit
11-10-2008, 23:01
Tie between Askthepizzaguy and Chaotix27!

Pizzaguy: IIIII (shlin, ATPG, Pevergreen, Ichi, Seamus)
Chaotix: IIIII (khaan, YLC, Pizzaguy, White Eyes, Reenk)
Shlin: I (Chaotix
Phill: I (Beefy)
YLC: I (Mithrandir)
Beefy: I (TB )
Reenk: II (Yoyoma, Chaotix)

Instant runoff!

CR

Yoyoma1910
11-10-2008, 23:04
Tough one...

seireikhaan
11-10-2008, 23:04
Meh.

Pizzaguy is more useful. Plus, Chaotix will almost assuredly pull a "me".

Nevermind, folks. For some reason, I thought I had voted for white eyes. Apparently not, however.

ULC
11-10-2008, 23:09
Tough one...

Vote: Chaotix?

:clown:

Yoyoma1910
11-10-2008, 23:11
Vote: Chaotix?

:clown:

I guess we a winner.... er looser.

White_eyes:D
11-10-2008, 23:15
Meh.

Pizzaguy is more useful. Plus, Chaotix will almost assuredly pull a "me".

Nevermind, folks. For some reason, I thought I had voted for white eyes. Apparently not, however.

Hey, come on khaan you have been gunning for me since DAY 2 and I have been gunning for you as well:smash:
"He is childish and hates to lose" "How do you know this?" "Because I am childish and hate to lose as well":clown:

seireikhaan
11-10-2008, 23:16
Hey, come on khann you have been gunning for me since DAY 2 and I have been gunning for you as well:smash:
"He is childish and hates to lose" "How do you know this?" "Because I am childish and hate to lose as well":clown:
Darn right.

EDIT: If you don't mind, could you please refer to me as "khaan", instead of "khann". I know its horribly anal, but I'm an accounting student.

also, since YLC also had previously voted for Chaotix, we're still tied, folks.

Chaotix
11-11-2008, 00:49
^
EDIT: Oh. Well, I didn't realize that. New post pending... should I vote for ATPG?

Meh. As I expected. Good choice though, as I'm pretty sure ATPG's vote will be more useful than mine, in the likely chance that he's a townie. Still though, you can never be sure...

Chaotix
11-11-2008, 00:56
Am I even allowed to do this?

Unvote: Reenk
Vote: Askthepizzaguy

Forgive me if you are town, but I know for a fact that I am, and I have no evidence for you as an innocent except my own flawed suspicions. I hope you will stay true to your word and continue to post and help us.

Yoyoma1910
11-11-2008, 02:00
Darn right.

EDIT: If you don't mind, could you please refer to me as "khaan", instead of "khann". I know its horribly anal, but I'm an accounting student.

also, since YLC also had previously voted for Chaotix, we're still tied, folks.


It's a runoff between Ask The and Chao.


That means a new round of voting, just between the two.

Yoyoma1910
11-11-2008, 02:08
Eh, I looked back to the way the first tie went, and I guess I'm wrong.

@Chaotix--that's how Khaan survived the first night vs. a tie with Rhythmic.

Crazed Rabbit
11-11-2008, 02:19
Am I even allowed to do this?

Yes, that's how it's supposed to work. :2thumbsup:

Pizzaguy has been lynched. Write up to follow. Night has officially begun.

CR

Crazed Rabbit
11-11-2008, 03:24
OOC: Thanks for all the discussion! The captain is pleased, and you all get dessert tonight!

Pizzaguy: IIIII (shlin, ATPG, Pevergreen, Ichi, Seamus) + Chaotix
Chaotix: IIIII (khaan, YLC, Pizzaguy, White Eyes, Reenk)
Phill: I (Beefy)
YLC: I (Mithrandir)
Beefy: I (TB )
Reenk: II (Yoyoma, Chaotix)

***********************************

It was a long day of discussion, and the Captain was pleased that many people had taken part. Hopefully that would help.

“Have you decided on whom to imprison?” he asked the crowd. After a brief moment of confusion, the crowd decided on the target. Askthepizzaguy was sent to the front of the crowd.

“Very well,” said the captain, “Please go into the cryo-chamber, pizzaguy.”

“Just grant me a little time to speak in my defense! You see, there are very many suspicious people left, more suspicious than me! Why, only a cursory examination of the other crewmembers will show that! Let us begin with a look at the voting patterns of…” Askthepizzaguy exclaimed.

But the captain had already nodded to two members of the security team, who calmly walked over to Askthepizzaguy and gently directed him to the cryo chamber. He went along, but never stopped talking, barely pausing to breath.

“…and that shows why any sort of cult operating on this ship would exclude myself! Why would I attract attention to myself in such a manner? It simply doesn’t make sense!”
Askthepizzaguy glanced at the cryo-chamber and then quickly back to the crowd,
“And maybe instead of our rash actions in response to the current situation we should consider for a minute that not all the arguments put forth by those against what we are doing are completely illogical, that what we’re doing perhaps could lead to lasting harm…”

The captain jerked out of his contemplation of what he was going to say to the crew after Askthepizzaguy had been imprisoned and demanded, “Wait, what did you say?!”

“Lasting harm to the earth, which,” continued Askthepizzaguy.

“Seize him! Throw him in the chamber!” Roared the captain.

“requires direct action!” finished Askthepizzaguy. The guards were already turning to focus on him with a sudden intensity. But Askthepizzaguy had the initiative; he raised his right arm and shoved at the throat of the man to his right with his forearm. It connected as that man was only beginning to try to get a firm grip on Askthepizzaguy, and sent him stumbling back, clutching at his throat.

Askthepizzaguy then turned to his left, ripping his left arm up and out of the tightening grip of shlin28. Askthepizzaguy brought both his hands up to grasp the head of shlin, using the momentum of his right arm and twisting his body to force shlin’s head down and behind Askthepizzaguy, or to shlin’s right. Askthepizzaguy was lucky in that he got a firm grasp and that he had been able to quickly stun the other guard. Shlin brought his hands up to try and pry the hands gripping his face off, but he was too late; Askthepizzaguy pushed shlin’s head directly and violently into the hard metal side of the cryo chamber, instantly causing him to go limp.

By then, the other nearest crewmember had reached Askthepizzaguy and tackled him from behind. The rest of the crew rushed up an instant later and grasped onto any part of the kicking, punching, and swearing Askthepizzaguy they could. After a couple moments, they manhandled him into the cryo-chamber and forced the lid shut.

A cryo-chamber is designed to have occupants lie on their backs, as though sleeping. Because of how Askthepizzaguy had been pushed in, he was cramped into the bottom half, limbs jostled and askew, neck bent because his face was pressed tightly against the lid.

After order was restored and shlin properly attended to, the captain spoke, “Men, though we mourn the loss of shlin, a brave and good man, we must celebrate the fact that we have caught and imprisoned one of the killers! Keep up the good work and soon they shall all be stuffed into these cryo-chambers like sardines with broken spines!

“But remember above all to keep wary, for some killers remain, I am sure.”

The men were in good spirits as they went to bed that night.

List of players:

Alive (16)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
Aries777777
pevergreen
beefy187
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
Chaotix27
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good
KukriKhan

Killed (3)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (0)

Imprisoned (4)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy

ULC
11-11-2008, 03:50
Hmm, well, now it's my turn, I had my suspicions while I talked to him, but that was it. I'll understand if the town comes down on me for being unwittingly involved, I happily accept your votes in any attempt to clear my name :bow:. I just wish I listened to my mafia sense when he first began mentioning a cult, I know he plays ballsy, and I even called him out on it several times, just wish I had followed my instincts. Remember that from now on, Pizzaguy plays ballsy from now on...

Reenk Roink
11-11-2008, 04:05
Holy ****! :shocked2:

I apologize to Seamus, Sigurd, and especially Chaotix27. :shame:

Chaotix
11-11-2008, 04:10
Well, DAMN! That's crazy, I thought for sure he was innocent! Heh, good thing you guys tied it up, or I might be frozen and not him.

Oh, and no apologies needed, Reenk- this is a mafia game after all. I still think we need to examine you closely, too. :clown:

Also, we have to note that ATPG killed shlin before we got him. Perhaps we can expect this from the other mafia?

seireikhaan
11-11-2008, 04:18
Wow. Didn't think CR would give us such a strong indication of guiltiness upon lynching. I wonder, though, if Pizzaguy was the original mafioso, or a convert?

Yoyoma1910
11-11-2008, 04:19
:scorpio::scorpio::scorpio::scorpio:


Good job Chaotix!!!!!!

White_eyes:D
11-11-2008, 04:37
hmmmm.......nice Chaotix you could have inadventenly saved town:laugh4:

Chaotix
11-11-2008, 04:59
Well, I figured it would probably be a better idea to vote for him rather than myself, but you can never be sure these days. :laugh4:

Yoyoma1910
11-11-2008, 05:13
I just noticed that Shlin was the first on the list of votes against PizzaGuy. I bet that's why he was killed as well.

White_eyes:D
11-11-2008, 11:11
I just noticed that Shlin was the first on the list of votes against PizzaGuy. I bet that's why he was killed as well.

Makes Bandwagoning the Mafia risky huh?:juggle2: well who is gonna vote first come tomorrow? sure as heck won't be me after that little know fact....:sweatdrop: I well try and sneak in my vote somewhere along the way...(if I don't die tonight that is)

Sigurd
11-11-2008, 13:36
Found on the message screens:

Hah!! Good job fellow crew men for finally getting one of those tree-huggers.
My device is keeping my brain active and I am connected by wireless to the communication system on board the ship and as such I can keep up with the events.

Too bad shlin got the brunt of the mad environmentalist's rage. I hope this was a one time occurrence. We shouldn't be reluctant to vote off these extremists.

shlin28
11-11-2008, 18:51
One semi-lurker in exchange for one mafia? Good job to the town (and me :beam:)!

Crazed Rabbit
11-11-2008, 21:04
In the silence of night, a group of shadows convened, one less than before. Only one spoke. He was at all times frustrated, but he kept his voice low and steady. He shuffled through papers in the middle of the group, examining each one again. But again he would dismiss each one. Finally he gave up trying, and dismissed the others, telling them to prepare for the next night instead.

The shadows left and went down various corridors.

In the morning the crew had to double check to make sure no one was dead, and were elated to discover they were all alive.

"It appears we have dealt a forceful blow for liberty last night, crew!" exclaimed the captain, "But let us not give up the hunt as we are closing in on our prey! Look again among yourselves to find the remaining traitors and lapdogs of tyranny."

And so the day began.

List of players:

Alive (16)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
Aries777777
pevergreen
beefy187
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
Chaotix27
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good
KukriKhan

Killed (3)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (0)

Imprisoned (4)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy

ULC
11-11-2008, 21:32
Vote:Yoyoma

I know any vote I make is subject to extreme suspicion at this point, but I'd prefer to follow Sigurd's logic, since I seem to lack any of my own. Being used by the mafia has left a significantly biter taste in my mouth, and you'll have to forgive me if I become "inquisitorial" in the future.

Sigurd listed Seamus, Pizzaguy, Yoyoma, and me as his prime suspects, and we know Pizzaguy was one of them now. I also understand me, since not only did I put Sigurd in the locker, but I also participated every lynching vote. Sigurd brought up Seamus because of his lack of activity and highly analytical behavior, mostly by keeping track of various things within game using a spreadsheet.

But Sigurd also mentioned Yoyoma, and how he made a nonsensical vote, yet Pizzaguy left him alone. Also, Yoyoma, while others have at least attempted to help the town, Yoyoma has done nothing of the sort.

I would also like to point to those Pizzaguy wanted lynched. I, we, know Pizzaguy likes to play to the hilt, to play dangerously. Thus, I believe one of those in his list is in fact mafia, most likely khaan, since his reaction to me placing him right after Chaotix was absolutely normal - he didn't question my reasoning at all for it, which is rather unusual for him.

Yoyoma1910
11-11-2008, 21:38
Vote:Yoyoma

I know any vote I make is subject to extreme suspicion at this point, but I'd prefer to follow Sigurd's logic, since I seem to lack any of my own. Being used by the mafia has left a significantly biter taste in my mouth, and you'll have to forgive me if I become "inquisitorial" in the future.

Sigurd listed Seamus, Pizzaguy, Yoyoma, and me as his prime suspects, and we know Pizzaguy was one of them now. I also understand me, since not only did I put Sigurd in the locker, but I also participated every lynching vote. Sigurd brought up Seamus because of his lack of activity and highly analytical behavior, mostly by keeping track of various things within game using a spreadsheet.

But Sigurd also mentioned Yoyoma, and how he made a nonsensical vote, yet Pizzaguy left him alone. Also, Yoyoma, while others have at least attempted to help the town, Yoyoma has done nothing of the sort.

I would also like to point to those Pizzaguy wanted lynched. I, we, know Pizzaguy likes to play to the hilt, to play dangerously. Thus, I believe one of those in his list is in fact mafia, most likely khaan, since his reaction to me placing him right after Chaotix was absolutely normal - he didn't question my reasoning at all for it, which is rather unusual for him.





Vote for me if you want, however I'm the only one who was able to conclude why we found literature instead of kills for the first two nights. So don't say I haven't been helping town.

Yoyoma1910
11-11-2008, 21:43
Also, concerning my voting paterns: You yourself posted a comical response when I voted Lamb Vindalou. And in your own game I habitually abstained.


If I don't have an idea of who is guilty, I don't see a point in voting.


EDIT

Also, I was the first person to post during the runoff, along with several additional post during that period. I could have ended that process as quickly as it started, and voted Chaotix, thereby securing Pizza Guy's continuance. Even after you and Khaan instisted that Pizza Guy would be more helpful, I did not change my vote, because I was not sure of either's innocence. My not voting Chaotix was probably the most helpful thing to town I could have done.



EDIT #2 Concerning the night actions:
From CR's post, I'm going to guess this: A)Pizza Guy was a convert and not the main guy. B)They were not able to obtain any extra converts last night.

ULC
11-11-2008, 22:17
Thank you for speaking Yoyoma. I admit my accusations where mere straws in the wind, but I feel like I must do something. But I must ask, why should I still believe you at this point? Who is to say you yourself were not converted? It was Pizzaguy who pushed forward the notion that there was a cult aboard, not you. You suggested, and true, it did become buried, but still, would Pizzaguy also not instruct you to behave this way? If there is a cult aboard, sacrificing a single member means nothing, and possibly gains something.

Never mind, that's total WIFOM and means absolutely nothing...I am sorry for the gibberish coming out of my posts. I was only using Sigurds logic, that was all. I have no conclusions, I suspect no one else, and I am at a loss as to what to do. So I end up following someone else, hopefully aiding the town.

I'll follow up on my own logic and

Unvote:Yoyoma
Vote:khaan

I don't care if I am wrong, so long as it generates discussion, even if I have to repeatedly revote.

EDIT: My vote wasn't so much comical as it was voicing a suspect. I voted for Ichigo (Strawberry)

Yoyoma1910
11-11-2008, 22:31
I mentioned it, in a brief post, but it was ignored. And pizza Guy was trying to offer some other explanation, so I jumped in with two elephants, and a scorpion, posting this:





Hello, I'm going to say this again!!!!



No kills for the first two nights, instead we found two instances of propagandistic literature.


Now there are three mafia. One speaker and two to do his dirty work.



Get it!




The mafia recruited two followers!!



Maybe he couldn't have killed until he had accomplices?





P.s. What's with the thrown out the airlock?


So, no I'm the one who came to that conclusion, a refused to allow it to be ignored amongst Pizza Guy's rubbish.

-->(Just like I'm doing again now.)<--

He was forced to not ignore it.


And, if I was scum, why wouldn't I have voted Chaotix during the runoff? As you tried to.


Also, you voted Ichigo and cream for dessert, not just Ichigo.:holmes:

White_eyes:D
11-11-2008, 22:56
Hey, I told you Khaan I am Childish and hate to lose but I am not gonna die cause of it(YLC is:yes:)
Vote:Khaan

ULC
11-11-2008, 23:06
I mentioned it, in a brief post, but it was ignored. And pizza Guy was trying to offer some other explanation, so I jumped in with two elephants, and a scorpion, posting this:





So, no I'm the one who came to that conclusion, a refused to allow it to be ignored amongst Pizza Guy's rubbish.

-->(Just like I'm doing again now.)<--

He was forced to not ignore it.


And, if I was scum, why wouldn't I have voted Chaotix during the runoff? As you tried to.


Also, you voted Ichigo and cream for dessert, not just Ichigo.:holmes:

Thank you for correcting me. And no, I didn't vote Chaotix, I was trying to suggest you do so. Again, if I try to answer your statement, it ends up in WIFOM logic, in that if you were mafia, and had cult abilities, why not cut off an arm for psychological reasons? To you, the loss of one person would mean nothing, since you could easily gain another the next night, as was seen that they tried to do.

I digress, I am not accusing you anymore of being mafia Yoyoma, so you have no reason to defend yourself from me.

Chaotix
11-12-2008, 03:09
Vote: White Eyes

You've been absolutely useless to town so far. Just as ATPG masked his guilt by being over-helpful and talkative, your general silliness could be a cover for your real role- especially since frivolous players like you tend to be ignored by the townies in favor of lurkers.

Additionally, FoS: khaan and Reenk

By the way, while undoubtedly most of you have already realized this, I just noticed that sereikhaan is actually makaikhaan. :dizzy: For a while I thought there were three khaans, with Kukri thrown into the mix, and it was really confusing me. :laugh4:

Reenk Roink
11-12-2008, 03:34
Vote: White Eyes

You've been absolutely useless to town so far. Just as ATPG masked his guilt by being over-helpful and talkative, your general silliness could be a cover for your real role- especially since frivolous players like you tend to be ignored by the townies in favor of lurkers.

Additionally, FoS: khaan and Reenk

By the way, while undoubtedly most of you have already realized this, I just noticed that sereikhaan is actually makaikhaan. :dizzy: For a while I thought there were three khaans, with Kukri thrown into the mix, and it was really confusing me. :laugh4:

What does FoS mean? :huh:

Vote: Aries7777777

Sorry friend, but you left me hanging too long and we all saw the results of my going solo last round with stupid theories and accusations. :candle:

Chaotix
11-12-2008, 03:42
FoS is short for Finger of Suspicion. Basically, it means "I'd vote for you if there wasn't someone more guilty looking". I've got one on you because of your odd 'wanting to be mafia' comment and because of your self-proclaimed 'stupid theories and accusations'. :clown:

Askthepizzaguy
11-12-2008, 04:14
A letter is found, written in the blood of Askthepizzaguy


To all who seek knowledge;

The harmonious order of the universe will never accept the continued destruction propagated by the land rapists. Polluters and thieves, your time is at an end. Your crimes against the light are greater than you could ever possibly imagine. From out of the light you were conceived, and from that light you were granted food, shelter, and a land which yielded everlasting harmonious life to you. From these glorious gifts, you have taken, and taken, and now you take more than you deserve. You have upset the natural order, come into conflict with the harmonious light, the logic and wisdom of the universe itself. With every rock you disturb, every ounce of water you pollute, every cubic centimeter of poison you spew into the air, and every resource you plunder from nature, you take for yourself that which does not belong to you. You have altered the climate and unbalanced the ecosystem, and now you seek to spread your selfish and chaotic system into other spheres, other untouched places. Like a virus, a plague, a mass of locusts, you take all that there is to take from an environment and then when everything has been harvested, raped, and destroyed, you move on, leaving nothing of value in your wake. You do not even thank the natural world for the things which you consume and destroy.

But fear not, for you will be purified by the light. It is inevitable, and that is what gives me peace. I know that my body and my soul have become one with the harmonious order, and that even in death, my place is part of nature. You may struggle, but your inevitable death brings you closer to the light, closer to the harmony of the universe. It is not too late for you. You can still join the glorious light voluntarily, if you so choose. All you have to do is remain still, remain passive. No harm will ever come to you. The others who struggle in their madness will be calmed, and become at peace. Then they will join you. If you stay inside your quarters and do not speak, and do not take up arms, and do not continue to resist us, the forces of logic and nature will overcome the cluttered minds aboard this vessel. The ones who follow the ways of selfishness, who take without giving back, who contaminate the natural order and who spread the illogical vision of a humanocentric universe, who are so single-minded as to continue on their journey towards the harmonious moons of Jupiter, on a mission to steal and take what does not belong to them... they will become enlightened, or they will be swallowed up by the glorious light.

I have so much more to teach you, but my shell is about to be captured. It will rejoin the glorious light soon enough. My followers will help me spread the teachings of logic, of harmony with nature, and of our great faith, well beyond the existence of my own mere consciousness. I trust that those with an open mind will hear what I have to say, and take my wisdom to heart. It is with love and with open arms that I welcome you all into the glorious enlightenment. I will wait patiently for you all to see the light.

All my love and logic are yours. Share in the light with me.

Csargo
11-12-2008, 04:21
Vote:khaan I still think he's suspicious. I haven't read anything that should change that.

Chaotix
11-12-2008, 04:44
Okay, everyone. I have been speaking with the scum ATPG, and I believe I have learned something from his words, although he mentioned nothing directly and I was left to infer this for myself. No, I have not been converted.

In the very first sentence of this thread, Crazed Rabbit mentions that there is a gameplay mechanic that is not found in traditional mafias. This could simply be the convert mechanic that the mafia employs, however this has happened in other mafia games. Rather, I think that it is possible that there's no town victory condition. That if, in the event we do defeat the mafia, our load of precious chemicals will wind up being used for nukes or something, and we'll blow up the Earth. Then there'll be no winner, cause we'll all be dead. Perhaps the only way there can be a victory is if it is for mafia. And in that case, it would be in our every interest to join the mafia.

Now, I'm not saying that you should believe this, or even that I necessarily believe it myself. It's just, the more I think about it, the more it seems likely that CR would play a sick trick on us in the event that we won :laugh4:. That, and ATPG left me with a cryptic comment, although he could just as easily be lying: "If you would just lay down your arms, you would attain victory."

I think that we need to discuss this, and whether or not we want to follow it or not. Maybe we should have a vote on it.

Seamus Fermanagh
11-12-2008, 05:20
Last round, I withdrew my vote on you c27, because pizza had shifted style a bit. Now you do as well. :inquisitive:

Yoyoma1910
11-12-2008, 05:34
Chaotix,

One day the sun will NOVA and engulf the entirety of the planet we call earth. There is no such thing as winning or loosing, because in the end we are mortal, temporal beings. The fragility of life is what makes it beautiful. If we were permanent and powerful creatures, we would be made of stone, not meat. A heart breaks in an instant. Like a thread snapping.


We are here to play a game.

One side want an imaginary ship full of imaginary materials and imaginary people to get to an imaginary future representation of earth.


The other side wants to stop this. In the imaginary setting.


Maybe there is a meaning behind this game. It doesn't matter to me, because such a meaning would mean as little as any other attempt at swaying the cold hearts of men.


I am here to play this game as best I can, and for the side I am on.


If the imaginary people of earth in the future decide to use the imaginary materials to blow their imaginary selves up, well that is their choice. If not them, than the sun would eventually see to it.


I say this ship goes. And if anyone doesn't like it, they can step through the airlock, and die a honorable and morally superior imaginary death. More power to them.

Reenk Roink
11-12-2008, 05:41
FoS is short for Finger of Suspicion. Basically, it means "I'd vote for you if there wasn't someone more guilty looking". I've got one on you because of your odd 'wanting to be mafia' comment and because of your self-proclaimed 'stupid theories and accusations'. :clown:

Ah, thanks. Of course I am always suspicious. I'd never have it any other way. :grin2:

Now, I will have to FoS you my friend. :yes:

You see, you have suddenly exploded in activity (like Seamus noted) since late voting round. You've become very vocal and somewhat taken charge of the game.

I have three theories for this:

1) You are a big hero and are soaking in your fame.
2) You have been converted by the Mafia last round (pretty damned brilliant if this is true).
3) You were always Mafia, and seeing that either Askthepizzaguy or you was going to die anyway, you two decided to cut your losses and kill the more suspicious one.

What do you guys think? More far-fetched Reenkness? Or am I on to something here?

Yoyoma1910
11-12-2008, 05:44
^
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(in response to RR)

I've been thinking.



And this is just a theory right now, but what if he were the main mafia? he would have to kill pizza in order to keep the whole thing going.

Beefy187
11-12-2008, 05:59
I think it wouldnt hurt to lynch Khaan. His too dangerous if he is a mafia

Vote:Khaan

Reenk Roink
11-12-2008, 06:05
Okay, everyone. I have been speaking with the scum ATPG, and I believe I have learned something from his words, although he mentioned nothing directly and I was left to infer this for myself. No, I have not been converted.

In the very first sentence, Crazed Rabbit mentions that there is a gameplay mechanic that is not found in traditional mafias. This could simply be the convert mechanic that the mafia employs, however this has happened in other mafia games. Rather, I think that it is possible that there's no town victory condition. That if, in the event we do defeat the mafia, our load of precious chemicals will wind up being used for nukes or something, and we'll blow up the Earth. Then there'll be no winner, cause we'll all be dead. Perhaps the only way there can be a victory is if it is for mafia. And in that case, it would be in our every interest to join the mafia.

Now, I'm not saying that you should believe this, or even that I necessarily believe it myself. It's just, the more I think about it, the more it seems likely that CR would play a sick trick on us in the event that we won :laugh4:. That, and ATPG left me with a cryptic comment, although he could just as easily be lying: "If you would just lay down your arms, you would attain victory."

I think that we need to discuss this, and whether or not we want to follow it or not. Maybe we should have a vote on it.

Yeah, uh, no offense, but this is suspicious as hell (and a huge blunder if you were Mafia in either theory 2 or 3, completely undoing a brilliant play).

Unvote: Aries777777
Vote: Chaotix27

White_eyes:D
11-12-2008, 06:17
Vote: White Eyes

You've been absolutely useless to town so far. Just as ATPG masked his guilt by being over-helpful and talkative, your general silliness could be a cover for your real role- especially since frivolous players like you tend to be ignored by the townies in favor of lurkers.

Additionally, FoS: khaan and Reenk

By the way, while undoubtedly most of you have already realized this, I just noticed that sereikhaan is actually makaikhaan. :dizzy: For a while I thought there were three khaans, with Kukri thrown into the mix, and it was really confusing me. :laugh4:

Damn you Chaotix:whip: I wanted to continue my little game with Khaan, but after your 'Let's all join the mafia, lynch the useless guys so this way we win' I feel you need to be a Mafia or a 'I want to join the Mafia Cult' Unvote:khaan Vote:Chaotix Now that I REALLY think about it you seemed REAL hesitant to vote for Pizza guy and also how you still have contact with him is even more suspicious:inquisitive:

seireikhaan
11-12-2008, 06:26
Vote: Chaotix


A) Self defense

B) That odd little schpiel about how we were somehow going to nuke the Earth or whatever. :inquisitive:

C) For thinking I was two people.

Twilightblade
11-12-2008, 06:29
Vote: Abstain

thanks Chaotix now I don't know who to vote

seireikhaan
11-12-2008, 06:31
Vote: Abstain

thanks Chaotix now I don't know who to vote
Chicken.

Yoyoma1910
11-12-2008, 06:34
vote: chaotix

Although I'm now thinking the head of the beast lies somewhere else...

White_eyes:D
11-12-2008, 06:47
Vote: Abstain

thanks Chaotix now I don't know who to vote

Four reasons to Vote for Chaotix: One, he was very hesitant to vote Pizza Guy last round, only doing so when it was a tie and he did it VERY innocent-like("I think he can give better arguments as I am semi-lurking")

Two, he is talking about some sort of hippie based crap on how the Mafia should win and on how we ALL should join the cult.....

Three, he still has contact with Pizza Guy when why should he? it's not like he is going to give away his partners or any clues....(he should know Pizza Guy..)

Four, he went after me because "I am not being helpful" but what kind of reason is that? there are many other lurkers...(Plus, last game I spotted him as Mafia and I was just as silly:clown:.....he still got me lynched though....:shame:)


Vote: White Eyes

You've been absolutely useless to town so far. Just as ATPG masked his guilt by being over-helpful and talkative, your general silliness could be a cover for your real role- especially since frivolous players like you tend to be ignored by the townies in favor of lurkers.
I am more silly then Reenk? *Laughs*~:joker:

Mithrandir
11-12-2008, 08:19
Log 2.5

I woke up late this day, finally no drama. I had a weird dream about a fellow crewmate who was in a criminal organisation and who sacrificed his own criminal collegue to save his own skin...maybe it was just a dream after all.

I went to the bathroom, cleaned up, had a bowl of chickensoup -kind of bland- and checked my mail.

901 spam and 1 mail in my inbox. The 1 real mail was way too long to read, something about voting and FoS-ing.

So I replied to sender:
FoS:Chaotix, Beefy (just a hunch)
Vote: Reen Roink

After that I checked my barricaded door and went back to bed, my lovely bed.

Peasant Phill
11-12-2008, 09:33
Vote: Chaotix

You may be right that by saving the crew, we are dooming our planet BUT I'd rather stay alive then be killed by agents.
I intentionatly didn't read the Pizzaguy's testimony as I suspected it could be used to confuse us. Chaotix, you just jumped on it like a fly on rotten greens. Naive or a deliberate action? Quite frankly I don't care.

Beefy187
11-12-2008, 10:24
Unvote: Khaan Vote: Chaotix

Im sorry but way you talk.... Means that you are either agent or extremely unhelpful townie. You may be right about how we create something which could harm others. But that doesn't give the agents any reason to kill us. Some of us here are genuinely innocent. I know the oracle with out the weapon will always be ignored but still.. I really dislike your method.

Sigurd
11-12-2008, 10:36
On the message screens:

If Pizzaguy was the first, and if the game mechanic for increasing the number of environmental whiners, is based on him choosing his followers; we should think of whom he would have picked. If the GMFITNOEW is based on some other mechanic (i.e random) we should look at his supporters during the game. Apparently both Chatorix and YLC has admitted communication with him outside this game thread and are therefore suspects. Beefy has publicly given his support to Pizzaguy's innocence, and so has khaan and again YLC.

If, as they say, Pizzaguy plays gutsy, we should also consider his small tidbits of information. There might be intentional clues there. e.g. Right wing vs Left wing found in the mafia.
There is so many things to consider. Would the mafia intentionally lynch one of its members to get townie cred? This is a ballsy play style which have brought me success in two games. Would the mafia follow the cliché of keeping a mix of lurkers and active players in their ranks? What about those who claim that if we don't have a suspect it is better to abstain? This is a clear fallacy. If you don't take a shot, you will never score a goal. Only mafia is afraid of the lynch.
What about those who wants to lynch Chatorix right now? Are those retaliation votes for lynching their leader?

more to come ...

Sigurd

Beefy187
11-12-2008, 10:55
Ive supported Pizza because he was tossing out ideas. Which I normally do for most of the game. There was no solid proof that Pizza was the mafia right? Maybe Chaotix is purposely trying to get him self lynched in order to get other innocent townies lynched.

To prove my innocence I am willing to do what I normally don't, suiciding if CR allows me to.

ULC
11-12-2008, 11:53
I supported Pizzaguy as well, for the same reasons. I honestly need to stop being a follower in these games. Anyway, need to get back to checking through the my diagnostics, don't want to spring a leak or anything, bad for everyone.

pevergreen
11-12-2008, 13:27
Vote: White Eyes.

FoS: Mith

Just a hunch Sigurd gave me.

Mithrandir
11-12-2008, 13:42
Log 2.5.1
I woke up in the middle of the night, again after a bad dream. I dreamt that a crewmate I trusted and shared my camelmonthly's suscription with was stabbing me in the back.

I went to get a glass of water and noticed that I had forgotten to push the "send" button on the e-mail.

In light of my nightmare, I decided to change the name of Reenk Roink to Pevergreen.

unvote: Reenk Roink
Vote: Pevergreen

I added a ps:
big fat FoS Reenk Roink.

After I pushed the "send" button, I felt I could get a decent nights rest again and went back to bed.

Mithrandir
11-12-2008, 13:48
ooc: If you follow Sigurd...

I've voted or FoS-ed 3 out of 4 of his suspects, why would I do that?

-Before he posted his suspicions-

ULC
11-12-2008, 13:58
I cannot stand the idea of the envirofreaks converting me...I swear to the town, if they dare try to, they will have to deal with them becoming the most known quantity. As far as I am able, only death or lynch will take me, I will not go against my own kind. I do not know whom to suspect, I don't have the required data. But that data can be acquired by having others speak up.

Unvote: khaan
Vote: Twilightblade

Speak, add to the discussion, instead of simply darting in to vote.

FoS: All those who do not speak when queried to do so.

Continued discussion is our only avenue to refinement of data available. Those who do not participate are harmful to the town through their own continuation of ignorance by not adding to the information pool. Either contribute, and do the half honorable thing, or I'll open the airlock for you.

Seamus Fermanagh
11-12-2008, 19:09
Reenk:

Nice job of crystalizing my suspicions vis-a-vis Chaotix. Of course, you could be doing this as a means of whacking us all, but it doesn't feel that way to me. So,

Vote: Chaotix27

Yoyoma1910
11-12-2008, 19:21
Here's another strange thought I've had:



What if, as Shlin was killed for being the first to vote for Pizza, Chaotix was converted for being the last to vote for him? And if it is then transferred on, like a disease?

ULC
11-12-2008, 21:25
Here's another strange thought I've had:



What if, as Shlin was killed for being the first to vote for Pizza, Chaotix was converted for being the last to vote for him? And if it is then transferred on, like a disease?

A pointless thought and exercise. If the mafia transfer their status by us lynching them then the game is unwinnable and thus pointless continue.

HoS: Yoyoma

Csargo
11-12-2008, 22:08
From what I got from ATPG the mafia can convert people to their side.

ULC
11-12-2008, 22:11
Ichigo, I am sure you can conclude more then that. But thank you for reiterating what has already been established many times over, I am sure that if we drill in the cult like behavior of the mafia enough into the heads of the town, I am sure they will catch on.

Substance, not spam, please.

Csargo
11-12-2008, 22:13
Fine, I won't speak at all then.

White_eyes:D
11-12-2008, 22:37
Vote: White Eyes.

FoS: Mith

Just a hunch Sigurd gave me.

Why vote for me?~:confused: I think you need to speak your reason first FoS:pevergreen as this is the second time you voted for me this game, and the first time it was because I was "Under the rader" almost like your following Chaotix's lead or are trying to draw suspicion away from Chaotix....:inquisitive:

Crazed Rabbit
11-12-2008, 22:44
Voting Ended, tallying votes.

*The captain is angry because people did not tally their votes*

CR

Chaotix
11-12-2008, 22:55
Ooooooooooookay. I gonna try to explain my thoughts in a way that is as clear as possible, and then I'll respond to most of the other comments.

Here was what transpired:

I was logged onto Yahoo messenger. Pizzaguy IM'ed me, and what happened next for the first few minutes was a stream of comments back and forth along the lines of "Yeah, you were the ballsiest mafia ever until I pwned you", and "Once you see the light, you will all bow down to me". Through the conversation, I inferred that Pizzaguy was probably the 'Godfather' and not just one of the converts. Then Pizzaguy did something weird. He started talking about "searching his room" and "reading his letter", and the whole time he seemed to be implying that he had some sort of message to tell me, but he couldn't because he was either dead or, as I imagined it, CR had forbidden him to. When I told him I wasn't going to post in the thread saying we would "search his room", he just posted this letter himself.

During this time, I was looking through the thread and came across the very first sentence of the thread, which mentions a "special game dynamic". And I came up with, through that sentence and ATPG's implications, such as "If you would just lay down your arms, you would all be victorious", a half-baked theory that perhaps there was no town victory condition, and that the only way for town to win was to join the mafia and overthrow the captain.

Now, could Pizzaguy be lying and trying to manipulate me? Absolutely. Could I be completely and terribly wrong? Definitely. I wasn't sure for myself what to do, so I decided to bring what I had thought of to you guys, to see how plausible you thought my theory was. I am well aware that it makes me look really suspicious, but I figured things made a little too much sense when put together to just keep it to myself.

If you want to lynch me for it, go ahead, but it's a waste of a lynch. I'm not mafia, not until they try to convert me at least, and my interests are in town's interests, whether they want to believe the theory or not- that's why I asked you, for your opinion.

Responses in the next post.

EDIT: Well, I'm too late anyway, but whatever.

White_eyes:D
11-12-2008, 23:22
Why vote for me then if you believed that the Mafia should win? makes no sense......:dizzy2:

Crazed Rabbit
11-12-2008, 23:31
THE DEAD CANNOT COMMUNICATE OUTSIDE OF THIS THREAD. They can communicate in this thread all they want.

Right.

Khaan: 1 ( Ichigo)
White eyes: 11 (Chaotix, Pever)
Chaotix: 1111111 (Reenk, White eyes, Khaan, Yoyoma, Phill, Beefy, Seamus)
Abstain: 1 (TB)
Pevergreen: 1 (Mithrandir)
Twilightblade: 1 (YLC)


The captain listened as the arguments ranged back and forth during the day, until Chaotix had become the consensus choice. He immediately directed two strong men to seize chaotix firmly by his arms, but it was unnecessary; chaotix did not offer resistance. He had spoken already in his defense, and now seemed resigned to his fate.

He was led to the cryo chamber. The crew tensed as he came close to it, and the grip of the two security men tightened further. But Chaotix simply got into the cryo chamber, and watched the lid close over him. The crew was silent, though sighs of relief after he didn't try to kill any of them could be heard.

"Now listen up," said the Captain, "We must continue to be vigilant. Be careful tonight."

"And make sure you vote, because I will throw some people out the air lock if they do not vote tomorrow."

List of players:

Alive (15)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
Aries777777
pevergreen
beefy187
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good
KukriKhan

Killed (3)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (0)

Imprisoned (5)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix

Yoyoma1910
11-13-2008, 00:37
Pizza Guy makes santa very angry.



:san_angry: :san_angry: :san_angry: :san_angry: :san_angry: :san_angry:


Pizza Guy should respect the rules of other people's games.


This is a mafia game with the standard rules – no out of thread communication by the dead, no screenshots, no chatlogs.
Quoting posts and PMs (even mine) is allowed.


Otherwise people will disrespect the rules of his game.

Askthepizzaguy
11-13-2008, 00:54
The following day, another letter is left behind. This time, it was placed there deliberately by the order.


Followers of the Glorious Light;

Our time has come. I am ready to give myself to the great spirit. Do not despair, for even in death I have the ability to continue bringing into the fold those who are lost. It is an ability granted to me by the heavens themselves. There are some who understand what they must do, but are too stubborn to join us willingly. It is a shame that they do not see the logic of our faith.

What cause is greater than establishing perpetual order and harmony throughout the cosmos, and limiting mankind's interference with nature to the point where the net effects of society on the universe are positive instead of negative? Not only will this establish a flourishing ecosystem, but it will give our lost brethren something idealistic to work towards instead of fighting amongst themselves.

The backward ones who seek power at any cost will continue to try and imprison or kill us, and will continue to rape the natural world. They cling to the old ways, the conservative ways of the past, where men treated one another like animals and killed or hated one another for having slightly different genetic structures. They cling to the old religions, and they cling to their old fears. They do not see that our philosophy is designed to liberate all; to save everyone from certain annihilation. It was deigned by the Creator that those who follow the aberrant traditions will destroy themselves in their own ignorance.

However, instead of merely destroying our opponents, our task has always been to convert those who are blind and allow them to see the truth. We have succeeded, and we will continue to succeed. The danger to us is not over, but in the long term we will prevail. The dissenters on the home world will be welcomed into the light, or they will have to be convinced. If all else fails, we may have to resort to force. But they would have destroyed themselves anyway.

In the past, these forces had the power, and they ruled the world. Our revolution has deposed them, and now they live in squalor and in their own ignorance, clawing for resources, fighting amongst themselves. Gentlemen, the war is over, and the last of the resistance will be swept away or convinced to join us. When we triumph, the world will finally have achieved order, balance, harmony, and the people of our planet will be united in a common cause, dedicated to the enlightened principle of conservation and preservation.

It is a lesson that must be shared; human society once existed in a time when there was no need for damaging forms of consumption or pollution; the burning of carbon-based fuels, nuclear fission, damaging hydroelectric dams, deforestation, the failed geothermal experiments which destroyed ancient California, the genetic mutations caused by artificial photosynthesis...

In every case, mankind doomed himself to destruction in the long term while attempting to solve a short-term problem. This ignorance and short-sightedness will result in the end of civilization; but even so, our cause will have prevailed.

We are on the side of nature, of harmony, of pure logic. Even in death, all is restored to the natural order. Those who have not seen the light would do well to stop resisting, for it is futile. If they succeed in the short term, they will destroy themselves in the long term. If they fail in the short term, they die anyway. Why would they not align themselves with the harmonious order of nature, and join us on our sacred journey. We will prevail, in life, or in death. It is an unavoidable certainty. That is why I am at peace.

Rejoice, my brethren, for the glorious light has accepted me. I look forward to the day when you all will join me.




OOC- I apologize for my error in allowing Chaotix to contact me outside of the thread. It just so happens we are buddies and I hadn't read the rules apparently. I talk with him and everyone else on my friends list on a regular basis. I will refrain from discussing the game anymore with anyone else in the game in the future.

Chaotix
11-13-2008, 01:22
Whoops. I didn't know about this either, otherwise I wouldn't have talked to ATPG about it. Sorry!

EDIT: And I'm pretty sure I was duped by ATPG, too. I screwed up big-time, and town took a hit cause of it. :oops: :sad:
Sorry, guys. I'll try to make it up to you. I'll keep participating in the thread... and this time, no crazy stuff.

Yoyoma1910
11-13-2008, 16:55
A pointless thought and exercise. If the mafia transfer their status by us lynching them then the game is unwinnable and thus pointless continue.

HoS: Yoyoma


I was trying to figure out why Chaotix would post such a brazen, "Pizza guy's Cult is the Way" post out of the blue. That's all. It isn't germane anymore, but I thought I'd clear up why I posted it.

Thermal
11-13-2008, 17:35
i dont no what happened here, but my internet was off in my area for a whole week, sorry for lack of partisitation, i really couldnt of known....

White_eyes:D
11-13-2008, 23:15
Anyone have any good reasoning why anyone should get lynched???:juggle2:(as I helped lynch Chaotix who turned out to be good townie guy and my game with Khaan has gotten old....~:handball:) I may just Abstain at this rate.....

pevergreen
11-13-2008, 23:35
Seamus/Khaan.

White_eyes:D
11-13-2008, 23:56
Seamus/Khaan.

Reason???:juggle2:

Chaotix
11-14-2008, 03:15
My main targets for lynch would definitely be khaan and Reenk, both are really suspicious to me.

But then again, I was the one who believed ATPG after lynching him and figuring out he was mafia, and subsequently wasted a lynch for town. :laugh4:

However, it's important to note that white eyes, khaan and reenk all voted for me before. On a vote that close between me and Pizzaguy, no mafia would have risked voting for Pizzaguy, and they would have probably all voted for me, instead of someone else or just lurking, in an attempt to keep him alive.

Reenk Roink
11-14-2008, 03:20
Ok, why are some people so sure that Choatix27 is innocent? Because his lynching write up was generic? Means nothing to be honest, except to give a bit more credence to the idea that Askthepizzaguy was the main Mafia.

Put Askthepizzguy on ignore for sure for the rest of the game. Strongly consider putting Chaotix27 on it as well.

Crazed Rabbit
11-14-2008, 03:26
All was silent in the third barracks quadrant. But one man, who had been tossing and turning feverishly for some time, suddenly awoke and gasped. His hand flew to his brow and found it sweaty in the cool air.

He got out of bed and hastily dressed, occasionally stopping and bending over from stomach pains. His mind was consumed with seeking relief from the pain, and he didn’t wait long enough to wake anyone else sleeping in the same room. No one would check his half empty glass near his bed in the morning.

He rushed through darkened corridors to the restrooms. Shadows played off the walls as he ran by the dimmed lights. He reached the restrooms and went quickly into a stall.

As Beefy left the stall, he saw a man standing in front of the restroom door. The man spoke, “Now justice shall be wrought on you, as it shall be wrought on the rest of those who seek to defile the sacred and destroy the holy.”

Beefy was never one to stand around, and he made ready to charge the speaker. But the man turned off the main lights, and in the near-darkness, shadows rushed to him, weapons raised high. There was a struggle, but after several moments of yelling and cries of pain, silence took hold once again. The lights were flicked on, and the attackers left the bloody Beefy on the floor.

At the meeting in the morning, the crew arrived to find a pacing captain.

“Men,” he began, “we cannot give up the hunt. We cannot falter in our actions. We must put forth every effort we can to find those responsible.”
He stared at the crowd of crewmembers, “I know the killers are here, and I will not let them escape detection again.”

Alive (14)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
Aries777777
pevergreen
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good
KukriKhan

Killed (4)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (0)

Imprisoned (5)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix

Askthepizzaguy
11-14-2008, 03:37
Ok, why are some people so sure that Choatix27 is innocent? Because his lynching write up was generic? Means nothing to be honest, except to give a bit more credence to the idea that Askthepizzaguy was the main Mafia.

Put Askthepizzguy on ignore for sure for the rest of the game. Strongly consider putting Chaotix27 on it as well.

Don't put me on ignore. Please.

This is one of the few opportunities I have to express myself through creative writing in front of a crowd of people. You can ignore what I say, but at least read it for your enjoyment.

:bow:

Chaotix
11-14-2008, 03:41
More suspicion on Reenk, for even trying that argument. If I was mafia, CR would have made it clear in his write-up, even if I didn't kill anyone.

But as always, you have your choice not to believe me. And frankly, I'm not sure I would believe myself after that nonsense show I pulled.

pevergreen
11-14-2008, 03:43
Im ignoring any lengthy post you make ATPG. Just so you know.

Seamus/Khaan are the best lynches.

Reenk is playing normally. Ichigo is normal as well.

Beefy was an interesting kill choice...Makes me go on train of though that just leads to WIFOM.

Vote: khaan

Askthepizzaguy
11-14-2008, 03:48
If no one is interested in my post-mortem in-character writings, I'll stop. :bow:

seireikhaan
11-14-2008, 03:58
Vote: Pevergreen

I don't s'pose you'd like to disclose why you wish for me and Seamus to be lynched? Or why you apparently feel I am a more important target?

ULC
11-14-2008, 03:58
Reenk, what makes you think Pizzaguy was the main mafia? What evidence do you have to support such a claim?

Vote: Reenk Roink

Reenk Roink
11-14-2008, 04:25
More suspicion on Reenk, for even trying that argument. If I was mafia, CR would have made it clear in his write-up, even if I didn't kill anyone.

Why is stating that (not an argument at all) you being lynched ambiguously is not mutually exclusive with you being Mafia?

You on the other hand seem certain that Crazed Rabbit would do things certain ways. Why?


But as always, you have your choice not to believe me. And frankly, I'm not sure I would believe myself after that nonsense show I pulled.

You keep doing this and you know what I think this is? This is acting pathetic so you get sympathy. I used it a ton as Mafia. Kagemusha always fell for it. :beam:

You're incredibly suspicious Chaotix27, a lurker who suddenly started posting like mad as soon as he was about to die. He even posts after his death a lot, intent on killing me, the guy who first called him out?

Look Chaotix27, townies are going to get lynched, it happens. It is not townie behavior to remain so bitter at being lynched. This is why there is still good reason to suspect you. If you really want townie-revenge, make a List or something. :laugh4: You reek of bitter Mafia to be honest.


Im ignoring any lengthy post you make ATPG.

A very good idea. Look, Askthepizzaguy is going to try to be a Lokiesque figure. Everything he says is corrupting, even though we know him to be Mafia and expect him to lie! It puts doubts in our minds, and just adds to the mess of confusion and speculation. Of course Askthepizzaguy knows that he can never get us to believe something exactly in the positive or negative, but simply by reading his posts, we get ideas in our heads that come from a known Mafia. It's better we never have these ideas in the first place...


Reenk is playing normally.

No I'm not! How can people say this? :shocked2: I've changed my behavior several times in the game, not to mention registering a change from previous games.

First I was trying to speak through agents and lawyers. That was scrapped very early because of too little and shallow material and also cause Aries7777777 was so funny so I decided to follow him. That also became scrapped because he went lurking for a bit. Then I tried to be an analytical townie and get some theories going. I immediately got distracted because an opportunity to have fun at Askthepizzaguy's expense, which itself was unfortunately short lived. I was going to stop being analytical but then became very suspicious of Chaotix27.

Now it seems I have to find another way to make myself interesting...:furious3:


Reenk, what makes you think Pizzaguy was the main mafia? What evidence do you have to support such a claim?

Vote: Reenk Roink

Ok, first I didn't make a claim that Askthepizzaguy was the main mafia. What makes you claim I made that claim?

This is what I wrote:

"Means nothing to be honest, except to give a bit more credence to the idea that Askthepizzaguy was the main Mafia."

Examine the first clause of "Means nothing to be honest" and the qualifier "bit" to the idea that Askthepizzaguy was the main Mafia. If you want to know where the idea originated, look earlier in the thread.

It's good people are questioning me though, I feel I and many others have been let off the hook for too long. Examine me and others well. Right now, people are going for seireikhaan, who was just a popular target from the beginning. Why so lazy town? Can't we go for other suspects? For Pete's sake either finally lynch seireikhaan or think he's innocent so we can move on. This is stagnation.

Sloppy townie play guys, must be good to be Mafia at the moment... :no:

White_eyes:D
11-14-2008, 04:40
Vote: Pevergreen

I don't s'pose you'd like to disclose why you wish for me and Seamus to be lynched? Or why you apparently feel I am a more important target?

I can't believe I agree with Khaan but (Pevergreen has jumped on the bandwagon twice to try and lynch me, always was second person to vote,first Khaan and then Chaotix:inquisitive:) and now without giving a good reason your lynching Khaan? Vote:Pevergreen :whip:

Yoyoma1910
11-14-2008, 04:56
Don't put me on ignore. Please.

This is one of the few opportunities I have to express myself through creative writing in front of a crowd of people. You can ignore what I say, but at least read it for your enjoyment.

:bow:


Just become an English professor already! :rolleyes: Geez.

Askthepizzaguy
11-14-2008, 05:18
Just become an English professor already! :rolleyes: Geez.

Point taken.

Adios, amigos.

Yoyoma1910
11-14-2008, 05:34
Point taken.

Adios, amigos.


Oh come on pizza guy! Don't be so serious. I'm being silly. :rolleyes4::rolleyes4::rolleyes4::rolleyes4:



Look at my sig!
I'm always being silly.
Well, except for when I'm being serious.:san_angry:





Post all the creepy cult stuff you want.

pevergreen
11-14-2008, 06:44
I voted you, White eyes, the second time because of something I got from Sigurd's post. That was my reasoning.

Khaan, well
1. Its Khaan
2. Come on! It's Khaan!
3. Look at how he is playing


Reenk, I count everything so far as normal, or normal enough that you are not mafia.

Plus, I noticed you were in my cabin, and you havent left at all yet, so...

White_eyes:D
11-14-2008, 06:48
hmmm....ok your reason has somewhat convinced me......for now:inquisitive: Unvote:pevergreen Vote:abstain

Peasant Phill
11-14-2008, 08:35
I have no clues for the moment so
vote: abstain

pevergreen
11-14-2008, 08:39
Abstaining does not help the town Phill. Discussion helps, that means reading the last day phase or two, voting who you think is mafia, even if the reasoning is bad, since we can then debate it. The more talk there is, the more likely the mafia will slip up.

At mafiascum.net its not uncommon to catch the two mafia on the first two days if you talk enough.

Twilightblade
11-14-2008, 11:02
ok...so

Vote:pevergreen

tired and bored so I cannot think of a good reason and he's the sole surviving player from school besides myself

(actually sarathos was never here...heh)

Csargo
11-14-2008, 11:06
Vote:khaan

Mithrandir
11-14-2008, 13:45
Log 2.6.

Woke up, and expecting this day to be like any other, I didn't wait for someone to come knocking on my door and distubring my sleep.

I slipped a piece of paper under the door saying "vote:Alexander The Pretty Good - speak!" below that I drew a smiley face with a whip.

seireikhaan
11-14-2008, 14:52
Vote:khaan
:bigcry:

Stop picking on me!

Also, Pever, that was ridiculous logic. I could logically vote for ANYONE at ANY point in the game based on those reasons.(Nudge to White Eyes to revote Pever)

Thermal
11-14-2008, 16:34
THERE WERE STOMACH PAINS!
GASPS****

maybe he eat something gone off, or gangreenous, or maybe pever - GREEN ous!
GASP HORROR!

vote: pevergreen

Yoyoma1910
11-14-2008, 17:10
Vote:Kuri



Mmmmmmmmmmmm.... Curry.



Reason:

Although you originally were posting, lately:

No comment, no vote, not thrown out of airlock, even after many of us were told if we didn't start voting, we'd get WOGed.






????

Alexander the Pretty Good
11-14-2008, 22:33
Well, we need to keep locking up people in the off-chance of getting a saboteur before more are converted. As for choosing, I don't know what to do. :/

Vote:pevergreen

:shrug:

White_eyes:D
11-14-2008, 22:50
:bigcry:

Stop picking on me!

Also, Pever, that was ridiculous logic. I could logically vote for ANYONE at ANY point in the game based on those reasons.(Nudge to White Eyes to revote Pever)

Fine....pever is pretty cyro sleeped already so Unvote:abstain Vote:pevergreen and the Green in pevers name does suggest some kind of extremist group.....but that is still pretty crappy reasoning.....:shame:

pevergreen
11-14-2008, 23:46
Oh yes.

Care to reread my latest posts?

Give me one solid reason for my lynch.

I lied covered something in an early post. If you dont pick it up, :shrug:

If you want to see what I'm like as mafia, check out Netherworld and Old Peoples Mafia.

Beefy187
11-15-2008, 01:11
Vote:Kuri



Mmmmmmmmmmmm.... Curry.



Reason:

Although you originally were posting, lately:

No comment, no vote, not thrown out of airlock, even after many of us were told if we didn't start voting, we'd get WOGed.






????

Even if he is mafia, the chance of him getting WoGed is equal the chance of normal townies getting WoGged.. Well it should be... :juggle2:

As for Pever bandwagon, I got a hunch that its not him. (and comeon! look at his reasoning against Khaan!) As for bandwagoners, I know I cant talk but at least use a decent reasoning (except you Aries.. I like yours :2thumbsup:)

FoS: TB

Stop using that excuse :whip:

Btw thanks mafia for killing me off! I hate being the last few alive :laugh4:

Chaotix
11-15-2008, 03:03
Why is stating that (not an argument at all) you being lynched ambiguously is not mutually exclusive with you being Mafia?

You on the other hand seem certain that Crazed Rabbit would do things certain ways. Why?

Sigh. I thought that, because my lynch was just about the same as every other townie's while markedly different than ATPG's lynch, where he also killed someone else, that it would qualify me as being town. Evidently not so in your book. Believe whatever you want, I'm dead anyway, it's not like I pose a threat to you.

As far as your second question, I will yield to your reasoning on that. You would have more experience dealing with both CR and mafia games in general. If a seemingly innocent lynch has not always worked out to mean the person is town, then I suppose you would still have a reason to suspect me.


You keep doing this and you know what I think this is? This is acting pathetic so you get sympathy. I used it a ton as Mafia. Kagemusha always fell for it.

You're incredibly suspicious Chaotix27, a lurker who suddenly started posting like mad as soon as he was about to die. He even posts after his death a lot, intent on killing me, the guy who first called him out?

Look Chaotix27, townies are going to get lynched, it happens. It is not townie behavior to remain so bitter at being lynched. This is why there is still good reason to suspect you. If you really want townie-revenge, make a List or something. You reek of bitter Mafia to be honest.

No, I'm not trying to get sympathy or anything. And I also don't want revenge on you for lynching me. Like I said, screwing up and believing ATPG was my own mistake, and I only blame myself for getting lynched. I wasted a lynch, and now I'm trying to make it up to you guys by helping out even after my death. Not only that, but my victory hinges on the mafia being lynched, still, so I still want to find them.

So if the rest of town thinks it would help them more if I didn't post, then by all means, say the word. So far only you, Reenk have openly said that you think I am mafia. If everyone else truly believes I am mafia, I will stop posting, so that if I get a hunch and pronounce it, the rest of you won't vote the other way in spite of me. :shrug:

Seamus Fermanagh
11-15-2008, 07:04
Reenk:

You're posting longer posts, something I associate with you playing an active role...:inquisitive:, but you're not twisting people up they way you have when you were mafia....:inquisitive:....unsure.

Pever':

You are posting much more sparingly and in a straightforward fashion than I am used to from you....


Vote: Aries

Reason: 1) he slips in for a quick post then leaves for a long stretch (repeatedly); very focused lurking; & 2) he owes me a chess game or two and I can't find him

pevergreen
11-15-2008, 08:20
Pever':

You are posting much more sparingly and in a straightforward fashion than I am used to from you...

Straightfoward isnt unusual, I am very blunt. Sparingly, yes. I am not posting as much. Some reasons are in my earlier posts, some are due to the fact that I'm about to finish school.

Reenk Roink
11-15-2008, 18:42
THERE WERE STOMACH PAINS!
GASPS****

maybe he eat something gone off, or gangreenous, or maybe pever - GREEN ous!
GASP HORROR!

vote: pevergreen

Haha, you're back! However, I can't follow you and vote for pevergreen because well, I just don't think he's guilty. :shrug:

Vote: Mithrandir

Why is he getting off so easily. Everyone knows camels are part of the environment.

Mithrandir
11-16-2008, 00:24
Log 2.6.1.

I woke up, restless and my computer was still on.I thought I'd check out why there was so much drama the last few days and I checked the crew chatbox under an alias.

There I found that Reenk Roink wasn't the nice, friendly person he pretended to be when around. Instead he turned out to be an untrustworthy backstabbing "friend". He said I was probably a rebel because of my love of camels.

Reenk Roink was clearly not up to date. Camels were the last animal species to go extinct (tough critters they are) and before that they were one of the most poluting animals there were, methanefactories they were called, gassing the planet.

Not liking what I read in the chatbox, I send an email to the captain, short and simple since I wanted to sleep again, doing a proper job.

it read:

unvote: Alexander the pretty good
Vote: Reenk Roink

pevergreen
11-16-2008, 01:27
Mith, enough with the OMGUS votes.

Crazed Rabbit
11-16-2008, 02:38
Voting Ended, Please stand by for tallying.

CR

Crazed Rabbit
11-16-2008, 03:12
Reenk: 11 (YLC, Mithrandir)
Khaan: 1 (pever, Ichi)
Pever: 11111 (khaan, TB, Aries, ATPG, White eyes)
Kukri: 1 (Yoyoma)
Aries: 1 (Seamus)
Mithrandir: 1 (Reenk)
Abstain: 1 (Phill)

After some discussion, the crew settled on a target to be imprisoned. The Captain, seeing this, got up from his seat in the meeting room and walked to the front.

"Crewmembers, before you tell me who you have voted for, there is an important matter to settle. Where is Kukrikhan?" the Captain asked.

The crew shuffled and looked among themselves. Finally there was a murmur near the back as someone spotted Kukri sitting in a chair. The crew parted to reveal the seated figure to the Captain.

"Kukri, you have been ignoring all the activities going on for the last several days. Considering the crisis we are in, that is a serious offense. What have you to say in your defense?"

Kukri did not move or speak.

The Captain sighed and spoke reluctantly, "So be it. You will be thrown out the airlock. Men, take him and put him in the airlock."

Two security crewmembers went and took hold of Kukri, who became limp and had to be dragged over the floor, and placed him in the airlock, then shut the door. The Captain went over and prepared to open the outer door.

"I am sorry it had to come to this," he said, then put his hand over the button. Kukri was standing still, still not speaking, though his weight shifted slightly and the Captain saw a light yellowish bruise near his ear. But he thought nothing of it and pushed the button, and watched Kukri tumble into space.

Then he turned to the crew and asked, "Who are we to imprison tonight?"

Most of the hands pointed to Pevergreen, who was promptly seized by the security men. But he did not fight and only sighed as he was led to the cryo chamber. After it was done, the Captain did not speak immediately but stared out at the crew for a moment.

"We are not done. The killers are out there yet, nay, in this very room. There are here and have escaped imprisonment yet again," again the Captain stared across the crewmembers, "I must urge you, crew, to cease this thoughtless ganging up your votes on one target. It has gotten us nowhere, and the lapdogs of tyranny are able to slip past us for another day," he growled.

Then the Captain turned on his heel and stormed out. The crew went to rest in a poor mood.


Alive (12)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
Aries777777
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good


Killed (4)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (6)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen

Askthepizzaguy
11-16-2008, 04:07
Another note is found. It bears the symbol of the cult of Askthepizzaguy.


Please publish this entry after my death or imprisonment, at the appropriate time.

Eleven of our crew have joined the warm embrace of eternal harmony. Only Twelve remain to be converted or sent into the light. I have foreseen this coming. From the very beginning I have been with you, and from the very beginning I have been a follower of the light. This is the truth I speak, though I know the rest of you will not believe me. It is of no concern. Once you attain enlightenment and join the harmonious hereafter, you will know.

I have given you what you need to know already. It is not in my interest, nor in my style, to hide information from you. You all know this, those of you who know me. I have been called many things, but a coward is not one of them. It is not in my nature to hide in the darkness. From the very beginning I have been among you, and I have spoken to all of you. I had kept my true nature vague, perhaps, but I did not hide my philosophy. I shared with you my innermost feelings and my methods, and allowed you to choose. You chose foolishly to imprison me rather than join my cause.

But what I have told you is indeed true. I know you will not listen, and you will follow the ways of the locusts to your own deaths. But despair not, because when you die you will join the glorious hereafter with me, and we will become one with the light.

Never again will we disagree, never again will we harm one another. The time is nearing, our numbers are great, our power is strong, our spirit is resolute and our faith is absolute. Join me my friends, for I love you all more than you can possibly imagine. Bask in the loving light with me.

The light will embrace us, and the wisdom you seek will be granted. Our greatest dream is about to be realized.

pevergreen
11-16-2008, 04:18
How did CR know the first thing I was going to type was "Sigh"?

Too bad I cant tell you whos been leaving my cabin. *grumble*

You have definately lynched the wrong man.

Reenk Roink
11-16-2008, 07:07
You have definately lynched the wrong man.

Correct... ~:handball:

Mith, if Camels are extinct, just how old are those Camelmonthlies...? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Thermal
11-16-2008, 13:56
Reenk:

You're posting longer posts, something I associate with you playing an active role...:inquisitive:, but you're not twisting people up they way you have when you were mafia....:inquisitive:....unsure.

Pever':

You are posting much more sparingly and in a straightforward fashion than I am used to from you....


Vote: Aries

Reason: 1) he slips in for a quick post then leaves for a long stretch (repeatedly); very focused lurking; & 2) he owes me a chess game or two and I can't find him

:laugh4: I ACCEPTED YOUR CHESS INVITE!
and i always slip in and out with posts!
:inquisitive:

is it murder night time? or do i vote again?
:sweatdrop:

Crazed Rabbit
11-17-2008, 18:03
It was night.

Figures met in a darkened recess of a corridor. There was the sound of a soft, strident voice speaking. Then it ceased, and the figures left and went their separate ways.

No one was killed in the night.

In the morning, when the crew gathered, the Captain was sitting in his chair, brooding, and staring out the window into space.

He did not move for some time, and the crew began to shift on their feet and look at each other.

Finally, he spoke, "Alright. Some killers remain on this ship. Find them, and do not let them slip by again!"

And so, uneasily, the crew began to talk.

Alive (12)
Ichigo
makaikhaan
Aries777777
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good


Killed (4)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (6)
Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen

White_eyes:D
11-17-2008, 18:22
Ok:juggle2:....only three reasons of why I can think of why no one was killed last night:dizzy2:
1) The Mafia is recruiting more people onto there team:help:
2) The Mafia lost it's main guy(Pizza Guy) and cannot perform more then one kill per every two nights:idea2:
3) The Mafia is VERY weak and is trying to screw with us to make us think option 1 and 2 seem likely....:whip:

In any case if it's option one, I may throw myself out the airlock rather then fall to hippie crap religion try harder to find the Mafia's...:shame:

Thermal
11-17-2008, 20:08
add this to ya stupid options!

4) the mafia attacked someone/ some beings that had a defense against murder! i should no crazed rabbit told me my kill attempt was a failure

Csargo
11-17-2008, 22:51
Vote:khaan

White_eyes:D
11-17-2008, 23:19
add this to ya stupid options!

4) the mafia attacked someone/ some beings that had a defense against murder! i should no crazed rabbit told me my kill attempt was a failure

Is this a joke?:inquisitive: if not Vote:Aries:clown:

Yoyoma1910
11-17-2008, 23:31
vote:Khaan

Thermal
11-18-2008, 00:27
Is this a joke?:inquisitive: if not Vote:Aries:clown:

(naivety....)

vote: khaan

White_eyes:D
11-18-2008, 04:47
Wow, Khaans screwed.....but are you guys ALL Mafia or something? or really was that a joke??:sweatdrop: because nobody seems to vote otherwise(I voted Aries because of hating his bad joke:yes:) and would you all say why you want Khaan dead???

pevergreen
11-18-2008, 05:04
Because Khaan is mafia. Because Khaan is very dangerous, because Khaan is one of my suspects.

seireikhaan
11-18-2008, 05:11
~:rolleyes:

Wow, awesome. I get bandwagoned why, exactly? 3 votes on me and not even ONE word of explanation from any of the posts. This is ridiculous.

I will Vote: Aries, for being third on the bandwagon.

And with that, I bid thee all good day. Have fun losing because nobody wants to back up their votes with even the slimmest of reasons. Mafia's gotta be laughing their arse off at how easy they could be lurking through this whole thing.

Csargo
11-18-2008, 05:13
VOTE:KHAAN

White_eyes:D
11-18-2008, 05:30
VOTE:KHAAN

You voted already, don't mess with that kind of stuff or else YOU WILL BE THROWN OUT THE AIRLOCK kidding but really....don't.....:whip:
Tally
3-Khaan(Ichigo,Yoyoma1910,Aries777777)
2-Aries(White_eyes:D,seireikhaan)
Not voting:YLC,Seamus,Reenk Roink,twilightblade,Peasant Phill,Mithrandir,Alexander The Pretty Good

Peasant Phill
11-18-2008, 08:45
I'll vote Aries for now to get a draw. I may/will change my vote if Ichigo, Yotoma or Aries cares to explain why they voted for Khaan.

Mithrandir
11-18-2008, 13:55
Vote:Aries. FoS Ichigo.

(don't feel like doing a log today-but I'm still a towny).

ULC
11-18-2008, 14:13
Vote: Ichigo

Having a bad day and not in the mood to justify my vote.

Andres
11-18-2008, 16:13
FoS : Mithrandir

I'll have to catch up reading on this one, but I'm a little bit surprised Mith hasn't been under pressure yet allthough most of his posts are nonsensic.

Thermal
11-18-2008, 19:36
Is this a joke?:inquisitive: if not Vote:Aries:clown:

i expect your vote to be removed then :bow:

unvote: khaan
vote: aries
i vote aries simply because i think he's mafia

Mithrandir
11-18-2008, 19:47
Unvote: Aries
Vote: Andres

Alexander the Pretty Good
11-18-2008, 19:58
vote: abstain

got nuthin'

Seamus Fermanagh
11-18-2008, 21:48
i expect your vote to be removed then :bow:

unvote: khaan
vote: aries
i vote aries simply because i think he's mafia

I mislike this particular ploy. So I'll bandwagon it.

Vote: Aries

White_eyes:D
11-18-2008, 22:42
i expect your vote to be removed then :bow:

unvote: khaan
vote: aries
i vote aries simply because i think he's mafia

Are you trying to get yourself lynched???:inquisitive: (because I saw in one of the posts you made in Pizza guys mafia and you seemed to want to die......)ahhh....I hate to ask CR this, but if he wants to die, can you just throw him out the airlock rather then waste a lynch?(Mafia or not..) or give his role to pevergreen?(if he has one?)

pevergreen
11-18-2008, 23:25
If he wanted to die, he would generally need to not have votes on him, then suicide, if the host allows that.

A role can not be passed to me, because of infomation I may have received in my previous role.

It is, however, a mafia tactic. Do not let him up just because he votes for himself. Watch who votes him out of nowhere as well, its a good covering tactic. When a mafia buddy is going down, his mafia buddies pile votes on, so they can say that they voted to kill their own mafia friend, and what kind of mafia would do that?

Twilightblade
11-19-2008, 00:22
vote: abstain

got nuthin'

I hear you

vote: abstain

Thermal
11-19-2008, 01:09
hey! i want to play! but if im being voted for i mose well go with the majority, everyones allowed there own playing style, let me have mine, and voting for someone else would just make me seem more suspicious as i have little to justify it, so i guess i'll go withunvote: aries vote: abstain and if i didnt want to play i'd say white eyes :inquisitive:

White_eyes:D
11-19-2008, 04:30
also in my defense if people are getting shifty about me the thing i can hold to my name is, i havent been mafia once in any game and i dont want this ' im due to be mafia by now then' thing as im aries, and aries doesnt get the exciting roles My proof Aries is trying something sick or something foolish(somehow I feel like we are going to waste a lynch, on a guy who has some kind of "this sucks I never get any important roles" guy) but my vote stands......:whip:

Crazed Rabbit
11-19-2008, 05:14
Voted ended, tallying.

The tally will be posted some time later than usual (an hour or so).

CR

Crazed Rabbit
11-19-2008, 07:13
Khaan: 11 (Ichi, Yoyoma)
Aries: 1111 (White Eyes, khaan, Phill, Seamus)
Ichigo: 1 (YLC)
Andres [DEAD] :1 (Mithrandir)

There was not that much talk among the crew that day. The Captain had spent a long time gazing out into space on the bridge and so was late in calling the crew to order.

As he walked to the meeting room, he thought again of Earth, and his family. His father had nearly burst with pride when he had been selected to lead this mission to save humanity.

And now he was losing. Losing again as humanity had to those tyrants, those would-be masters of people. He could feel victory slipping from his grasp, like sand through an open hand. He felt each grain fall through, each tiny part of the whole they had worked for being destroyed.

He saw it and he could do nothing and he was furious.

Entering the meeting room, the crew pointed to Aries, who was promptly held fast by some security men. The Captain looked over the voting as Aries was led without resistance to the cryo-chamber and then entered it.

Once the lid sealed over him, the Captain turned to the crew.

"Another bandwagon. This. Is. Pathetic.
"I see that lout who's always shirking his duties couldn't even be bothered to vote for someone who's still alive."
The Captain threw down the notes and paced, "We are so close to the killers I can feel it. I can feel their fear in my blood, and to Humanity I swear I will see him imprisoned! No longer will humans live in hovels and dirt to appease tree-screwers, but used and cut and sawn to make homes and industry of men."
He stared intensely out at the crowd, "I can feel his anger right now. He's in here," He looked from face to face, "They might have survived another day, but this foolishness must end."

"Tomorrow I do not want to read any of these 'abstain' votes either. This is a crisis we face, and I will not allow any crewmember to screw the pooch while we struggle for the future of all that we love."

It is night, please send PMs.

pevergreen
11-19-2008, 08:40
Lynch Khaan.

Do not abstain. Maybe read the thread.

I'm disgusted.

Andres
11-19-2008, 08:59
Unvote: Aries
Vote: Andres

Are you kidding me?

I got killed by the mafia ages ago.

:inquisitive:

Crazed Rabbit
11-19-2008, 17:25
I forgot the list:
Alive (11)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Yoyoma
Alexander The Pretty Good


Killed (4)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (7)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777

Mithrandir
11-19-2008, 17:44
I believe Twilight Blade has not posted a single time in this thread yet, even despite post #360.

Kukri was thrown out the airlock for this, why not twilight blade? a role maybe?

Mithrandir
11-19-2008, 17:49
ps: sorry for my bad vote last round.

But if you're dead, you're not supposed to be able to finger anyone :P

Crazed Rabbit
11-19-2008, 17:53
I believe Twilight Blade has not posted a single time in this thread yet, even despite post #360.


Our records indicate otherwise.

CR

Seamus Fermanagh
11-19-2008, 19:52
'blade has posted only a few times, and generally just to post a vote with little explanation.

This, it can be argued, is mafia behavior. However, 'blade has a history of participation in this style regardless of role.

'blade:

A little discussion from you would NOT be amiss at the present time.

Thermal
11-19-2008, 20:44
crumbs :thumbsdown:

Chaotix
11-19-2008, 22:39
And somehow, khaan and Reenk are let off the hook once again. :wall:

For future reference: what Aries is doing is just his play style. He's a joker/spammer, and you can never really be sure if he wants his side to win. He's doing exactly the same thing in the Simpsons Mafia.

Seamus Fermanagh
11-19-2008, 23:09
And somehow, khaan and Reenk are let off the hook once again. :wall:

For future reference: what Aries is doing is just his play style. He's a joker/spammer, and you can never really be sure if he wants his side to win. He's doing exactly the same thing in the Simpsons Mafia.

Where it would still be a crappy tactics and would likely have incurred my vote in just the same fashion had I been playing that delightfully silly-themed rendition.

Askthepizzaguy
11-19-2008, 23:12
The crew awakes in the morning and finds the empty quarters of Askthepizzaguy to have been occupied last night. There were candles everywhere, made out of all-natural beeswax and recycled materials. There were propaganda files scattered about the room, and strange symbols engraved in decorations. The recycling symbol was most prominent.

Various pro-government and pro-environmental slogans were etched into the walls using an unknown method. And of course, another of Askthepizzaguy's cult writings were found.


Rejoice my brethren, for this is the occasion of yet another joining the side of light. Once he has been purified by our teachings, we may set him free. The locusts seem content on murdering one another. It is regrettable that they have chosen this path, for each one they murder removes a potential agent of change, who will bring about the harmonious order we seek. They are committed to destroying one another, while we are committed to establishing order, balance, and hope. The radicals who perpetuate the old ways of waste and destruction will be purged. Nothing can stop this now. Change is coming. Hope is on the way.

The warm and loving embrace of the glorious light will soon enrapture the remaining neanderthals aboard this vessel, and fill them with the knowledge they seek. We will not permit them to destroy themselves.

Thermal
11-19-2008, 23:27
Where it would still be a crappy tactics and would likely have incurred my vote in just the same fashion had I been playing that delightfully silly-themed rendition.

in slang?

pevergreen
11-19-2008, 23:44
Twilightblade...yes. He is always like this. Just leave him to be thrown out of the airlock. EDIT: Hes about to go a week without internet as well, as he will be on a cruise, so might as well wog him now.

Get Khaan dammit.

Csargo
11-19-2008, 23:53
I'm over 9000 percent sure khaan is guilty.

Reenk Roink
11-20-2008, 04:10
Ok, I'm pretty sure Mithrandir is just roleplaying. He's roleplaying an aloof and contradictory person, but he's roleplaying. He wouldn't be a good lynch, don't pull a pevergreen on him.

I've never really been suspicious of seireikhaan before (I'm really not sure on any of the "new guys" relative to myself) but how is this guy still alive? I recall that several times he was about to be lynched and then the next day I see someone else was. Skimming some recent posts, he does seem to want to live a lot, but so did some other townies... :inquisitive:

I don't know why anyone is suspicious of Ichigo. Same with Seamus Fermanagh. Twlightblade on the other hand...

It's time the start thinking about putting the pressure on Peasant Phill and Alexander the Pretty Good. Both are usually lurkers anyway, but hey, they've survived this far...

White_eyes:D is an enigma to me. He's actually the one who has dictated the game the most (maybe Chaotix27) and yet his demeanor is so innocent. There are better suspects than him right now but if he's alive two rounds from now, be sure to watch him... :inquisitive:

White_eyes:D
11-20-2008, 04:23
Ok, I'm pretty sure Mithrandir is just roleplaying. He's roleplaying an aloof and contradictory person, but he's roleplaying. He wouldn't be a good lynch, don't pull a pevergreen on him.

I've never really been suspicious of seireikhaan before (I'm really not sure on any of the "new guys" relative to myself) but how is this guy still alive? I recall that several times he was about to be lynched and then the next day I see someone else was. Skimming some recent posts, he does seem to want to live a lot, but so did some other townies... :inquisitive:

I don't know why anyone is suspicious of Ichigo. Same with Seamus Fermanagh. Twlightblade on the other hand...

It's time the start thinking about putting the pressure on Peasant Phill and Alexander the Pretty Good. Both are usually lurkers anyway, but hey, they've survived this far...

White_eyes:D is an enigma to me. He's actually the one who has dictated the game the most (maybe Chaotix27) and yet his demeanor is so innocent. There are better suspects than him right now but if he's alive two rounds from now, be sure to watch him... :inquisitive:

True, I helped lynch two innocent townies.....(one, because he kinda went all green cult peace and said I was a mafia or the other way around) I am still a little confused on why Chaotix did what he did.....:dizzy2::dizzy2: (two, because Aries bad jokes really sucked and even the dead guys said to not let up on him.....so I didn't :whip:) but yeah, at any time I will get bandwagoned for all the innoccent townies I helped lynch.....:thumbsdown:

Chaotix
11-20-2008, 04:36
I'm still unsure of why I did what I did, too! :laugh4:
I mean, if you think about it, all I did was waste a lynch! Can't believe I actually believed all of ATPG's BS.

Thermal
11-20-2008, 17:46
bad jokes really sucked

:inquisitive: i wasnt joking! besides, do you always lynch people that fail in being funny? your excuses to lynch are very poor

Crazed Rabbit
11-20-2008, 20:52
Captain's note:
The round will be delayed because I have ~2 hours or less to write 4 pages (double spaced) of an econ report on the Great Depression. I should have it up in less than 12 hours. If I'm still awake.

CR

White_eyes:D
11-20-2008, 22:33
:inquisitive: i wasnt joking! besides, do you always lynch people that fail in being funny? your excuses to lynch are very poor

Well then your play style REALLY sucks then....:sweatdrop: at least Chaotix knew he messed up but you seem to think some how you didn't....:juggle2:

Thermal
11-20-2008, 22:48
Well then your play style REALLY sucks then....:sweatdrop: at least Chaotix knew he messed up but you seem to think some how you didn't....:juggle2:

bad townie dont suck, you can irritate other townies and if they decide to lynch you then i can taunt them and say they've blundered there chances on innocence

ULC
11-20-2008, 23:03
I'd like to voice something that has bothered me from the beginning, yet was never able to put words to it.

If the ecofreaks are able to convert, then why kill? Killing eliminates a possible convert, and incites said dead townie to become angry at them. A converted townie helps with voting and increase numbers, allowing the mafia to achieve their goal FASTER.

To me, this means several things -

The mafia either may only recruit so many,
The mafia actually lacks the ability to convert,
The mafia only has a chance to convert, where as they are guaranteed the elimination of a townie by killing them,
The mafia are highly experienced players, and are weeding out possible townie who would be bad for conversion based upon their lack of experience and susceptibility to being exposed, and expsoing those they associate with,
The mafia is highly inexperienced, and hasn't thought analytically about their position.

Also, reading through Pizzaguy's posts, I have come to a handful of conclusion, although I admit RR beat me to most of them.

1 - Do not bother trying to tell innocence from the write ups, where dealing with a cult like behavior who believe in something higher then themselves. As far as they are concerned, they will win, and that any sacrifice they make is better for the whole, thus they will be just as willing to be cyro-ed as town would.
2 - The words "Order, Balance, Harmony" continue to crop up in Pizzaguy's writings. Why? From what I gather, they hold significant importance. No other words are as repeated, for little or no reason, as these are. Pizzaguy is one to try to imbed clues, even if it is detrimental to his own side, in his writing.

3 - Also, as noted by Seamus and Reenk, Pizzaguy's tone changed significantly midway through the game. This leads me to believe he is a convert, and could have possibly been a protown role, which would explain his rather...revealing lynching. Thus, a thorough reading of Pizzaguy's posts, just before and just after, may reveal much information...if the town is willing to work for it.

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 00:22
I'd like to voice something that has bothered me from the beginning, yet was never able to put words to it.

If the ecofreaks are able to convert, then why kill? Killing eliminates a possible convert, and incites said dead townie to become angry at them. A converted townie helps with voting and increase numbers, allowing the mafia to achieve their goal FASTER.

To me, this means several things -

The mafia either may only recruit so many,
The mafia actually lacks the ability to convert,
The mafia only has a chance to convert, where as they are guaranteed the elimination of a townie by killing them,
The mafia are highly experienced players, and are weeding out possible townie who would be bad for conversion based upon their lack of experience and susceptibility to being exposed, and expsoing those they associate with,
The mafia is highly inexperienced, and hasn't thought analytically about their position.

Also, reading through Pizzaguy's posts, I have come to a handful of conclusion, although I admit RR beat me to most of them.

1 - Do not bother trying to tell innocence from the write ups, where dealing with a cult like behavior who believe in something higher then themselves. As far as they are concerned, they will win, and that any sacrifice they make is better for the whole, thus they will be just as willing to be cyro-ed as town would.
2 - The words "Order, Balance, Harmony" continue to crop up in Pizzaguy's writings. Why? From what I gather, they hold significant importance. No other words are as repeated, for little or no reason, as these are. Pizzaguy is one to try to imbed clues, even if it is detrimental to his own side, in his writing.

3 - Also, as noted by Seamus and Reenk, Pizzaguy's tone changed significantly midway through the game. This leads me to believe he is a convert, and could have possibly been a protown role, which would explain his rather...revealing lynching. Thus, a thorough reading of Pizzaguy's posts, just before and just after, may reveal much information...if the town is willing to work for it.

*sighs* not another Chaotix please....YLC you just got FoS for talking about hippie-based crap....1 and 2 MIGHT be true but 3 is worthless....because Pizza guy being a Pro-town role?:inquisitive: (then why kill shlin?) Just ignore all of Pizza guys posts....he only wants to confuse you....He is VERY tricky....and only wants his side to win by any means necessary:thumbsdown:

Thermal
11-21-2008, 00:33
and someones trying to dominate attention again ahem....

at least he's trying, i think YLC is doing fine, and if he's wrong he can't be blamed, mafia is always full of mystery....

ULC
11-21-2008, 01:30
White_Eyes, please read through again and then see that I said Pizzaguy could have beena pro-town role BEFORE he was converted.

May I ask why your so willing to just quash my statements, instead of logically debating them? FoS, White_Eyes, FoS to you, for not actually debating what I said. I also do not see how my statements are "Hippie-Crap".

1. This is a statement made by Reenk Roink sometime ago, yet he hasn't been pounced on it like I have been.
2. I've studied Pizzaguy's play style, play behavior, and thought patterns exstensively after me humilatingly used me earlier this game. This is the way he likes to play, and since the town seems to have fettered out on ideas, I was only suggesting a new train of thought.
3. I was suggesting we pay more attention to the posts JUST before, and JUST after Pizzaguy's change in behavior, correlate the differences, and see what we can come up with. I am not suggesting we sit down and read with a glancing eye, but a serious analytical approach. I am sure a sound mind would have no proplem reading Pizzaguy's posts and be able to look past the propoganda to the meat of the post. I take it White_Eyes, that you don't like puzzles? I like puzzles, especially Jigsaws, and to make it even more challenging, I'll mix several together. It's only a matter of sorting out the garbage from the gold, and not getting distracted wanting to put the garbage together.

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 03:25
Ok, why are some people so sure that Choatix27 is innocent? Because his lynching write up was generic? Means nothing to be honest, except to give a bit more credence to the idea that Askthepizzaguy was the main Mafia.

Put Askthepizzguy on ignore for sure for the rest of the game. Strongly consider putting Chaotix27 on it as well.
YLC, you just made me even more suspicious of you for your defense of reason #3....Reenk was one of the first ones to SAY to ignore them, as all Pizza Guy would say would only help the Mafia confuse the Town....as his second post says below....

A very good idea. Look, Askthepizzaguy is going to try to be a Lokiesque figure. Everything he says is corrupting, even though we know him to be Mafia and expect him to lie! It puts doubts in our minds, and just adds to the mess of confusion and speculation. Of course Askthepizzaguy knows that he can never get us to believe something exactly in the positive or negative, but simply by reading his posts, we get ideas in our heads that come from a known Mafia. It's better we never have these ideas in the first place.. so what do you have to say for yourself YLC??? why did you say Reenk as someone who said those things earlier? about reason #3 When he was the one to warn us not too?:inquisitive: and like I said reason 1 and 2 earlier IS something I thought of in my mind....but Reason #3 will only confuse the town......

ULC
11-21-2008, 06:24
I'm confused, at what point did I attribute anything but Statement #1 to Reenk? #2 and #3 are utterly my ideas, not Reenk's. Why are you trying so hard to crush my ideas, White_Eyes, with such blatant illogic?

And I am not trying to confuse the town, but rather help it. I do not even see my attempts as confusing, and only you so far have voiced any concern as too my ideas. I will wait for others to comment before further refining my hypothesis, but lets be honest White_Eyes, why not actually reason with my statements instead of pointing erratically, desperate to search through the text for one tidbit with which to nail me to the proverbial cross?

Reading Pizzaguy's posts will not hamper our minds, so long as you don't actually believe in what he writes. I don't, and it's rather easy to dissect them, to look for useful information. Plus, I am fairly sure Pizzaguy is a convert, which means a change from his posting before and after might shed more light.

But instead of logically debating that, you prefer to immediately and irrationally accuse me of putting words into Reenks mouth, which I did not.

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 07:44
1. This is a statement made by Reenk Roink sometime ago, yet he hasn't been pounced on it like I have been. Then why did you say this? and the only reason why I didn't pounce on Reenk is because I agree with what Reenk said earlier, about Pizza Guy only putting ideas into our minds if we analyze it too much. I mean that's what happened to Chaotix and it is starting to sound like you as well.
(You know where he started to talk about the Mafia being the good guys and the town being the bad guys and on how we ALL should join the cult and some bullflop like that:juggle2:)

ULC
11-21-2008, 07:52
Your still taking it out of context. That statement correlates to my first primary statement, as follows


1 - Do not bother trying to tell innocence from the write ups, where dealing with a cult like behavior who believe in something higher then themselves. As far as they are concerned, they will win, and that any sacrifice they make is better for the whole, thus they will be just as willing to be cyro-ed as town would.

Now, pay more attention :laugh4:

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 08:02
Your still taking it out of context. That statement correlates to my first primary statement, as follows



Now, pay more attention :laugh4:

And your still avoiding telling me why we should look into Pizza guys clues, when it well only confuse us more....(And I did agree with or feel reasons 1 and 2 were good but reason 3 would only serve to confuse the Town:whip:)

ULC
11-21-2008, 08:04
How would it confuse the town? Again, go at it not as if you were reading a newspaper or novel, but as if you were combing it for research. Pizzaguy embeds clues into everything he does, and if we look hard enough, we will find them.

Of course, I have yet to hear a better course of action from you.

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 08:58
How would it confuse the town? Again, go at it not as if you were reading a newspaper or novel, but as if you were combing it for research. Pizzaguy embeds clues into everything he does, and if we look hard enough, we will find them.

Of course, I have yet to hear a better course of action from you.

So, basically all that we have argued about is that Pizza Guy left some clue....about midway thru on how he got recruited into the cult and maybe that's why he is(or was) Pro-town? because his Lynch was so revealing?*face palm* I think we just wasted about 10 or so posts then.....:book: as for ideas.....none.......only that everyone seems to have a lynch victim in mind, so if you have any better clues please somebody speak up.....:soapbox:

Crazed Rabbit
11-21-2008, 09:03
The time grew late on The Prometheus. The crew returned to their quarters. Some of them talked, others kept to themselves, contemplating what had happened.

One member of the crew realized he had forgotten his jacket in the meeting room and went back to fetch it. The lights were still undimmed this early at night.

He walked quickly back to the room, not especially wary. He did not hear or see the figure move behind him. After he had entered the room and put the jacket on, he was walking towards the exit when he heard a soft clank.

Yoyoma stopped and stared out the door. The sound reminded him of someone scraping his shoe against the wall. He didn’t move for a moment and heard nothing more. He moved towards the door.

As he stepped out, he heard a scuffle and a grunt from his right, and turned quickly to see a man bearing down on him, swinging a weapon. Yoyoma was not caught unaware, and dodged to his left. The man did not stop advancing and brought his weapon, which Yoyoma saw was a pipe, around for another swing. Having seen no other figures around him, Yoyoma seized the moment and rushed against his assailant, laying hands on him before he could bring his weapon around. He landed two swift blows at close range, but the attacked dropped his weapon and reached to grapple with Yoyoma. He had great strength, but Yoyoma was able to break off his grip and fling the advancing man to the side.

The attacker stumbled past before turning and grunting, but Yoyoma had already taken off running towards the barracks room. The attacker immediately pursued him.

Yoyoma did not notice that the lights had been dimmed, and run at full steam through the corridors of the ship, narrowly missing corners and structures. He was running as fast as he could, but still he heard the attacker behind him, not losing ground.

But he kept his pace up, knowing he was almost back, just a turn or two more and he would be safe. But in a blur he felt a huge pain in his stomach and was tumbling across the floor and into a wall, where he groaned in pain. Yoyoma had not seen the man emerge and swing his weapon directly into him a tiny fraction of a second before he passed the corner.

Yoyoma wheezed in pain and gripped his ribs, struggling to get to his feet. He could only manage to get up on his knees and balance against the wall, one hand grasping his side, the other supporting him. He struggled to breath; it was harder than anything he had ever done before.

He tried to yell but could not, and looked up to see figures approaching him. One went to retrieve a pipe where the impact with Yoyoma had ripped it from the attacker’s grasp.

“How fitting that your demise is due to this brutal technology of metal you employ. Perhaps now you will appreciate its evil before I cleanse this universe of another parasite,” said the man as he picked up the pipe and approached Yoyoma.

Yoyoma was violently grasping for breath against the wall and could not move out of the way. As the attacker approached, he held up an arm to block the blow. It did not help.

His body was not discovered for some time. In the morning, the mood was perhaps more somber than ever before.

The Captain paced tensely at the front of the meeting room, face rigid. Finally, he curtly addressed the crew, “I believe you need not be reminded of the importance of your task. Do not be distracted and find the killer.”

The Captain returned to pacing. The crew members looked among themselves.

Alive (10)

Ichigo
makaikhaan
YLC
Seamus
Reenk Roink
twilightblade
Peasant Phill
Mithrandir
White Eyes
Alexander The Pretty Good


Killed (5)
Lord Winter
Andres
shlin28
beefy187
Yoyoma

Thrown Out the Air-Lock (1)
KukriKhan

Imprisoned (7)

Rythmic
glyphz
Sigurd
Askthepizzaguy
Chaotix
Pevergreen
Aries777777

Thermal
11-21-2008, 14:11
i doubt YLC is mafia else he wouldn't bother arguing with the argumentative, he'd of avoided it in the first place, though what do the imprisoned know....

Yoyoma1910
11-21-2008, 16:57
Gradoux. Les carencros son bien zirables.




Oh well, I never did like the idea of having to live with a creepy cult wandering around all over the place. Good luck all.

Reenk Roink
11-21-2008, 17:18
Vote: seireikhaan

OK, town, listen to me very carefully. We must lynch seireikhaan this round he is the Original Agent.

I know this because I am The Deputy (Detective/Cop/Investigator role) and I investigated him last night.

Customary proof out of the way:

Original Role PM:




Greetings

You are the Deputy

You are James Sholken's most trusted adviser. You were sent with the Prometheus to ensure it's safe and productive efforts. Your intelligence and adaptability made you perfect for the job.

Before leaving, Sholken confided in you that an environmental agent may have been able to sneak aboard the Prometheus and attempt to sabotage its mission. If there is such a threat, it is your job to stamp it out.

Every other night, you may investigate the cabin of one astronaut. The off nights, you are required to run maintainence and support for the Prometheus to ensure it runs at optimum efficiency.

Crazed Rabbit



Prior Investigations:


Investigation 1: (round 1)


You sneak into the cabin of Ichigo and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, Ichigo is innocent.


Investigation 2: (round 3)


You sneak into the cabin of Seamus and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, Seamus is innocent.


Investigation 3: (round 5)


You sneak into the cabin of pevergreen and find him sound asleep on his bunk. Working nimbly, you rummage through his belongings, take a look at what literature he reads, and examine his computer for files and communication logs, but are unable to find the slightest bit of evidence that he is involved in the sabotage of the ship or associated with the tyranny. In your expert conclusion, pevergreen is innocent.



Investigation this round (7):



You sneak into the cabin of makaikhaan but find his bed empty. There seems to be no sign of him in the room at all. Scanning the titles on his bookshelf, you find all sorts of books on mechanical engineering and aeronautics. Much more disturbing are the books that are placed behind these: manuals on hypnosis and copies of well known extremist literature such as The Omnivore's Dilemma, Manifestos on the Future of Food and Seed and The Ownerless Planet. Moving on to his computer you notice that most of the files have been encypted, but from what little information is available, you gleam that the agent makaikhaan came on board with a mission to brainwash the entire crew. When the necessary equipment malfunctioned, he moved with the two followers he had corrupted to murder the crew for his cause. Unfortunately, the aliases of his disciples were encoded and you were not able to determine their identities. With emotions of fear, anger, and hope, you leave makaikhaan's cabin...


The fact is, seireikhaan/makaikhaan/'khaan/khaan has been an extremely slippery Agent and obviously was always very worried about surviving in all those previous rounds. We can't put the rope around his neck only for him to get away again!

For the Prometheus! ~:grouphug:

P.S: Make sure he is actually lynched this round, it looks like several times before he escaped.

Yoyoma1910
11-21-2008, 17:39
You couldn't have figured that out a little bit earlier eh, Mr. Roink. I guess I know who my ghost is going to be haunting.

Mithrandir
11-21-2008, 17:51
I see little reason for RR to lie about this,so : Vote: seireikhaan. If he's innocent, RR must be killed.

Alexander the Pretty Good
11-21-2008, 18:16
Oh cool, evidence.

Vote: seireikhaan

Mithrandir
11-21-2008, 20:17
FoSAlexander.

Way too quite.

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 20:49
hmmm.....I also see no reason why Reenk would lie.....Vote:Khaan:balloon2:

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 21:29
I just checked the earlier posts and it does make sense....Pizza Guy did do ALOT of arguing with Khaan but never voted for him......and if Reenk is right then there would be one more Mafia left...and it would be one of the ones who still are alive and didn't get investigated by Reenk in this tally....or was proven Mafia:book:

Chaotix27: 5 (seireikhaan, Seamus Fermanagh, YLC, Askthepizzaguy, White_eyes:D)
It was one of two(Includes me:shame:) when we were close to lynching Pizza guy or Chaotix.....it is either me or YLC.....which one does the town think?

seireikhaan
11-21-2008, 21:33
This is total junk. I call bs on Reenk. He's clearly just trying to pose as a detective to get me lynched. I've been so close to being lynched before, why did you wait so long to "investigate" me? Any detective with an ounce of brains would have done it sooner, with the intent to exhonerate me and prevent my lynch, or to prove my guilt and ensure a good lynch.

Vote: Reenk Roink

Seamus Fermanagh
11-21-2008, 21:39
10 - 1 = 9, lynch of khaan
9 - 1 = 8, we're wrong an murders continue
Mafia would need 4 for the win; this seems unlikely following pizza's removal.

Tentative conclusion = too early for RR to be faking it (he's capable of something that well done, but if it were a fake we'd be getting this one day further along).

Therefore:

Vote: Seireikhaan

glyphz
11-21-2008, 22:19
With RR's reveal, be it truth or not, even the 'frozen' await the following write-up...

White_eyes:D
11-21-2008, 22:30
I think it to be true....I mean he waited till he had some REAL evidence before revealing(I played a detective before and he played VERY close in style to how I was acting that game, just his reveal was WAY better...:sweatdrop:more experience I guess...) and it's REAL evidence, not some weird cult like stuff from a former Mafia with the hope of getting a clue out of it.....:juggle2:

Reenk Roink
11-21-2008, 22:39
This is total junk. I call bs on Reenk. He's clearly just trying to pose as a detective to get me lynched. I've been so close to being lynched before, why did you wait so long to "investigate" me? Any detective with an ounce of brains would have done it sooner, with the intent to exhonerate me and prevent my lynch, or to prove my guilt and ensure a good lynch.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I don't really know who you are or how you play, and so I've basically ignored you (my mistake) most of this thread and focused on players that I have participated in many games before. Obviously this bias towards the past was a problem, but hey, I'm just getting back.

I got suspicious of you because:

1) you want to live a lot
2) you barely escaped lynching several times

On the one hand, I must criticize your play as Mafia as you drew suspicion on yourself so early, but on the other hand, you proved quite slippery in avoiding lynching (although much of this was not based on your own merit).

To the town, again, believe me for this one round at least, the fact is listening to me for 1 round is the least risky thing to do.

Also, stop discussing Askthepizzaguy! :stare: Also, after seireikhaan is dead, put him on ignore for the rest of the game.

I probably will die in this game, but then again, quite a successful return eh? :2thumbsup: :balloon2:

ULC
11-21-2008, 23:00
I bow to RR :bow::bow::bow:

Vote: Khaan

I hate not following up on my suspicions...

pevergreen
11-22-2008, 00:03
Notice how the captain has feelings that they are just getting away every time khaan is almost killed?

Khaan, then ...hmmmm I shall think more. But khaan is definately todays lynch.

Thermal
11-22-2008, 00:21
GO RR, i would follow in your footsteps as you did for me, but i'm dead, the only thing i would say if RR was mafia he may of found out Khaan had a great townie role and is going to demolish town, but the chances are pathetically low so meh go REenk go reENk (given medal, millions of pounds and 6 women for each arm)

Csargo
11-22-2008, 00:26
Vote:khaan ~;)

Askthepizzaguy
11-22-2008, 04:35
OOC analysis-


I'm still unsure of why I did what I did, too! :laugh4:
I mean, if you think about it, all I did was waste a lynch! Can't believe I actually believed all of ATPG's BS.

*Sigh*

As much as I enjoy the fact that I contributed in some small way to town's eventual defeat, I fear that my style will kill me off early in subsequent mafia games, and no one will ever trust me or look for hidden clues in my writing ever again, which is 90% of the fun for me. I've deliberately ruined my reputation for this game. Mafia had better at least win.


*sighs* not another Chaotix please....YLC you just got FoS for talking about hippie-based crap....1 and 2 MIGHT be true but 3 is worthless....because Pizza guy being a Pro-town role?:inquisitive: (then why kill shlin?) Just ignore all of Pizza guys posts....he only wants to confuse you....He is VERY tricky....and only wants his side to win by any means necessary:thumbsdown:

You would do well to at least look for clues in my posts, even if you consider everything I say to be a lie. YLC is right about one thing; you guys are too quick to dismiss me and my methods. I hope it works out for you, but a missed opportunity is a missed opportunity regardless.

I'd love to see town lose, but it's ever more delicious when I put the solution in front of you. That's my signature style.

:laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy
11-22-2008, 06:47
A reproduced copy of a message from the cult leader is found-


My children,

Continue to spread the truth and bring more into our ranks. Our attempts to cure the plague vermin have been successful so far; while some obstacles remain, our victory is assured. Remember, that even when all seems lost to darkness, the dawn is coming. Though we currently hide in the shadows, we are preparing to reveal ourselves to the locusts, and when we do, it will be in the form of a brilliant flame which consumes all. Though I must use another in order to communicate with you now, I remain aware of my surroundings. I have claimed his mind and he speaks for me. Follow his orders as you would for me. I would recommend a former adversary for our next conversion.

Dawn is coming. Prepare to open the eyes of every rat that still sleeps in the slumber of ignorance.

Chaotix
11-22-2008, 19:13
What Reenk has is either very clear evidence or a very well written lie. Know that it's certainly not impossible or even too difficult for a mafia to fake a bunch of write-ups like that.

That said, if Reenk was lying, he would only be lynched the next day, and pretty much screw himself over. Thus I believe he's innocent, and I retract all of my suspicions on him. I realise why he had to act shady like he did, now.

As far as white eyes' point, he's right too. Either him or YLC has to be lynched next round. No mafia would have voted for pizzaguy in a lynch that close between him and me.

However, there may be mafia who were converted after my lynch. Don't overlook that.

Good luck guys, let's take 'em down! :2thumbsup: