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GeneralHankerchief

01-04-2009, 21:02

Also, this (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2097122&postcount=426) ATPG post is screwing with me when it comes to how many bad guys there are:

Just a reminder to my little friend; don't forget to send in your murder selection during the day phase, if any.

(Maybe he forgot?)

...which would seem to imply that there's only one traitor.

woad&fangs

01-04-2009, 21:02

unvote: GH for now...

what happened to Reenk? It seems like his activity has been really down the last couple of days...

shlin28

01-04-2009, 21:48

GH's reasonings sorta convince me, although you are still on my radar :yes:

Unvote: GH. Vote: YLC

Let's test your hypothesis regarding what the host would write when you are lynched.:devilish:

ULC

01-04-2009, 22:17

...and not being able to post on the golden rule mafia game is killing me :sweatdrop:...

No offense to anyone, but this caught my attention and hasn't let go of it - Why would Ares be itching to say something in the thread unless something did go on between Yoyoma and Ares. You have something to hide Yoyoma, spill it. My votes not moving because of this, until it is answered to my satisfaction.

Yoyoma1910

01-04-2009, 22:48

No offense to anyone, but this caught my attention and hasn't let go of it - Why would Ares be itching to say something in the thread unless something did go on between Yoyoma and Ares. You have something to hide Yoyoma, spill it. My votes not moving because of this, until it is answered to my satisfaction.

I had no connection or interaction with Aries concerning this game except exactly what I put in this thread.

I'm sure several of the people who have passed on would like to say something as well. Quintus has already post death posted, and knowing White Eyes, he's probably going nuts not being able to say anything right now, as I'm sure you're likely aware.

seireikhaan

01-04-2009, 23:44

Hmm...

Unvote: YLC

Vote: Yoyoma

I'm seeing lots of chitchat from you, but no voting. I mislike this. Further, you keep talking as though you clearly believe the writeup indicates me as a mafioso/serial killer, yet you refuse to vote for me. Waiting to see if any momentum for my lynch arises? :inquisitive: As for the writeups: well, I think you can guess my view on whether or not I'm being framed. ~:rolleyes:

As well- FoS: YLC- You're still on my radar, just not as high as Yoyoma for the time being.

EDIT: Tally

Yoyoma 4 (Beefy, YLC, Chaotix, seireikhaan)
YLC 2 (GH, Shlin

GeneralHankerchief

01-05-2009, 00:24

Since it looks like Yoyoma is going down, I'm going to do a little experiment.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: Tevash

-edit- Post 5,555, woo!

TevashSzat

01-05-2009, 01:42

CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

Reports indicate that the criminals on board the tanker are starting to panic, a sharp change in behavior from the previous nights. I am uncertain how to proceed, because I feel that now is not the time to reveal myself.

Okay, this makes me thinks that the FBI has not attempted to kill anyone yet. However, there were 3 kills meaning that if one of them were from the traitor, there would be 2 vigilantes. How wierd.....Is there more than one traitor????

Since it looks like Yoyoma is going down, I'm going to do a little experiment.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: Tevash

-edit- Post 5,555, woo!

??????

Yoyoma1910

01-05-2009, 01:48

Beefy187

01-05-2009, 01:51

Just letting you guys know that I recovered from mysterious head ache

GeneralHankerchief

01-05-2009, 01:56

??????

Don't worry about it, if things change significantly I'll switch my vote.

Yoyoma1910

01-05-2009, 02:00

Just letting you guys know that I recovered from mysterious head ache

Oh really... how'd you get that?
~;p

Since it looks like Yoyoma is going down, I'm going to do a little experiment.

Unvote: YLC
Vote: Tevash

-edit- Post 5,555, woo!

??????

I'm assuming he's voting for you because the FBI writeup said it was a close call when there were several votes against you, and said nothing about it last round.

Anyway, I believe the night write up implicates YLC in the first line of his dream, his possible framing of 'Khaan, and the fact that he was nowhere to be found during the third killing.

vote:YLC

Chaotix

01-05-2009, 02:20

I'm going to have to Unvote: Yoyoma and Vote: YLC, because in my closer inspection the write-up really does seem to implicate YLC as the one who attempted to steal GH's heart. Yoyoma still remains suspicious to me, although YLC moreso. FoS: Yoyoma

seireikhaan

01-05-2009, 02:25

... YLC as the one who attempted to steal GH's heart.
:dancing:

~;p

Beefy187

01-05-2009, 02:33

GeneralHankerchief

01-05-2009, 02:55

:dancing:

~;p

Just for that: Go Chargers. :tongue:

Reenk Roink

01-05-2009, 03:00

Well, at least we are now past the ridiculous bandwagons for bad reasons stage and people who were getting off are now being examined again.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

You may very well be just someone trying to facilitate discussion, but your behavior is also consistent with an attempted manipulation of the town. Just remember that pressure will be on yourself as well... :wink:

GeneralHankerchief

01-05-2009, 03:02

I wouldn't expect it to be any other way, Reenk. :yes:

woad&fangs

01-05-2009, 03:15

vote:YLC
For the same reason I fos'd him earlier. Plus I don't see why everyone is voting for Yoyoma...

ULC

01-05-2009, 04:07

Yoyoma1910

01-05-2009, 04:17

I'd like to ask specifically on what evidence I am being lynched, because GH's logic kinda falls short if what he says is true about roles. He stated that "The opening writeup indicates that every person performed their task proficiently until now - i.e. the roles are more than a cover, the people are actually good at them. If somebody was the traitor or FBI agent (especially the traitor), that doesn't necessarily mean that they wouldn't use their expertise when killing people off.", yet I am a Marine: a soldier, I kill things, I fill them with lead and order people around, I create tactics and strategy for my squad, I rape, plunder and pillage - I do not "make precision cuts" to rip someones heart out, that's not within my skill set. I am a warrior, not a battlefield medic. If ATPG actually does allow influence within his right ups, one might think it would be within reason, so we don't have the communications expert using a highly toxic nerve gas agent to kill someone, or the accountant using a M134 (Minigun) to commit the murder.

That does not mean it has to be Khaan either - looking through the roles, we can clearly see that only one other person would ever need similar precision and dexterity with their hands, and be skilled with using knives - our very own Explosives Expert, which would be Yoyoma. A computer engineer is a close second since he has to handle so many wires, but he is obviously exempt, since he was the target. A security guard, ex-swat, foreign liaison, and accountant wouldn't do that, since it falls outside of their skill set. The mastermind, well, one could say it's the mastermind, since he is supposed to be all knowledgeable, but a Mastermind is a grand strategist, a thinker, a plotter - not a person who needs to have surgical knowledge or dexterous hands.

This is my opinion, you do not have to listen to it and by all means lynch me if you think it is your best interest, but I call Yoyoma out on the above, even from beyond the grave.

Marines are killing machines. To say that they would not know how to make incisions into a human's chest cavity is denying the nature of their training.

And following your logic, why would an explosives expert have precision surgical skills? What does that have to do with setting off C4?

edit. from a career description website:
Explosive Expert Career Description

In general, explosives experts are responsible for the development and documentation, as well as the production, storage and transport of explosives, the provision of safe and effective ammunition, inspections to make sure that all safety measures are met, as well as the destruction and disposal of explosive substances.

Anyway, I had nothing to do with what happened last night and I'm not the FBI agent. You can all blame and vote for me if you want, it won't help the situation.

ULC

01-05-2009, 04:29

Yes but as an Explosives Expert, would this not include wiring? I am not talking about surgical skill - only Khaan has that. I am talking about the ability to duplicate it, and you have that capability. Part of your job is dealing with wiring, and having the dexterity to also safely handle volatile explosives on a consistent basis, and thus your hands, in my eyes, would be as steady as a surgeons.

And I do not deny that a Marine could cut you open with a knife, of course they could. But as a Marine, there are far more effective ways of killing someone, and I would kill someone in the most effective way possible - a single bullet to the head.

Yoyoma1910

01-05-2009, 05:02

It's more about being uber OCD, than having nimble fingers.

ULC

01-05-2009, 14:15

:shrug:

I am lynched anyway, unless a miracle comes around to save me. The only things that sucks isn't I won't be able to play along in this game anymore - it's the first time I feel like I have been able to really contribute anything at all :laugh4:

Reenk Roink

01-05-2009, 17:04

Yeah, another poor lynch choice town... :no:

Beefy187

01-06-2009, 00:19

Yeah, another poor lynch choice town... :no:

Always look on the bright side of life!!

One less player is one less suspect:yes:

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2009, 12:36

Tally please... nevermind. Please recheck.

Beefy votes Yoyoma
GH votes Tevash
YLC votes Yoyoma
Chaotix votes YLC
Shlin votes YLC
Woad votes YLC
Yoyoma votes YLC
Reenk votes GH
Seireikhaan votes yoyoma
Tevash did not vote.

YLC is the clear winner with 4 votes.

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2009, 13:48

Day Seven

The tally was over. YLC stood up, having 4 votes. He dropped his weapon and began confessing everything. "It seems obvious by now that you all know I was the traitor. I was plotting your demise all along, and I wanted all that gold for myself."

Everyone lifted their weapons and prepared to fire, but one of them lifted his hand. "I want to hear what he has to say." YLC continued. "It was I who planned to betray you all, and last night I finally did. But from what I hear, some of you tried to kill me as well. So even if the tally did not swing in my favor, I'm as good as doomed. Whatever did I do that gave it away?" Some of them murmured, but no one had a clear answer. "Do you guys mind if I have one last smoke?" No one objected.

They led him out to the deck of the ship, some guns pointed at him. One man offered him a cigarette and lit it for him. "Mmm... I am going to miss this stuff. So perhaps I should also confess that I tried to kill GeneralHankerchief last night and tried to make it appear as though the surgeon did it."

Seireikhaan breathed a small sigh of relief.

YLC continued. "Surely by now, some of you have come to realize that I am not the only one on board with murderous intentions. I wonder if my two attackers would like to come forward and confess?"

No one stepped forward.

"Hmm... so I guess it's not over yet. You guys still have some work to do. I'd personally love to know who tried to kill me, as they are the key to solving this mystery."

Some of the crew looked around to gauge the reactions of the others.

"I don't have anything else to add, but I want to thank you gentlemen, it's been a pleasure to work with you. I have no regrets. And, GeneralHankerchief?"

GeneralHankerchief looked at him curiously.

"I sooooo want you to die." YLC laughed. The good General lifted his automatic weapon and shot YLC in the stomach. He fell to his knees. GeneralHankerchief walked towards him slowly, and gave him a swift kick in the face, knocking him overboard. The ocean below turned blood red, and YLC tried to scream but could not breathe. A pair of jaws emerged from the water and bit down on YLC, and dragged him under the water, never to be seen or heard from again.

9 players remaining.

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Begin Night Seven.

ULC

01-06-2009, 13:59

Hmph, I was waiting for the other guy to die first before revealing anything, but no point now, I'll finish this by myself, as I should have done to begin with. Serves me right for sharing what I knew with another. By rules, I cannot tell you whom I shared my information with, and nor can I now be sure of his full alignment, but the traitorous bastard (besides me) set me up in the end. Good luck town, your up against someone who actually knows what they are doing, and they will win this one.

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2009, 13:59

YLC just posted after death, and he got approval from me first. (In other words, his post contains no clues.)

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2009, 14:51

Night Seven

Everyone retired to their cabins that night, thinking about everything YLC had said before he died, authorized or not.

:whip:

Yoyoma had neglected to lock his cabin door, and was loudly snoring when someone entered. The man was crafty and agile, and unsheathed his weapon. Just as he was about to deliver the finishing blow, he heard a noise in the hallway. To avoid being detected, he gave Yoyoma a quick slash across his chest, causing him to bleed, and then he opened the cabin porthole and slipped through the narrow opening. Yoyoma woke up in pain to see his attacker leaving his room, and heard noises in the hall. He quickly got up and locked his door, clutching his chest.

He listened to someone sneaking quietly down the hall, towards Chaotix's room.

Over in that cabin, Chaotix was fast asleep. His attacker crept up on him, and grasped the side of his face, looking him in the eyes. Chaotix stirred and opened his eyes, and saw the face of his attacker. "Was it you all along?" he asked.

His attacker just shrugged and sliced his throat with a knife, leaving a large gash. His throat gash poured with blood, and Chaotix slowly choked to death, looking at his attacker with hatred in his eyes. His attacker wiped the blood on Chaotix's drab clothing, and picked up Chaotix's weapon, removed the ammo clip, and tossed the other weapon out the porthole.

His attacker came up and whispered "I just want you to know, Chaotix, this is nothing personal. It's just business. Besides, we had a good run, didn't we? There's always the next mafia game. Oh, and one last thing... I found some surveillance equipment, and I destroyed it. Seems the FBI will not be able to spy on me anymore. Just thought I'd let you know... you accountants like to keep track of things, don't you?"

Chaotix jumped out of his bed, with his throat gash pouring blood, and tried to strangle his attacker, but the criminal smashed him in the face with the butt of his weapon, knocking him to the floor. Chaotix was losing consciousness from the blood loss.

The attacker dropped to his knees and covered Chaotix's mouth and withdraw his blade again. "Sorry about that, I didn't mean to make this so messy. It will all be over soon."

As he cut the neck of Chaotix even deeper, all the way to the side, blood poured all over the floor. Chaotix became very dizzy and blacked out. But before he did, he heard one last thing.

"I took a huge risk tonight. We all take risks in this business; you did when you decided to play this most dangerous game. But if you learn anything from playing a game, is that you sometimes win, and you sometimes lose."

His attacker paused.

"I don't intend to lose."

Begin Day Eight

8 players remaining.

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Yoyoma1910

01-06-2009, 15:41

Sorry to see YLC go. No one I trust more than a greedy bastard. His only failure was that he accused a man with 7 fingers of having surgical skills. It kind of hurt, I mean, there are just certain simple tasks that have been difficult for me since the accident...

Anyway, Gentlemen, as I've stated before:

I'm not the FBI agent, and I've had nothing to do with what has happened thus far at night. If you want to kill me eventually, please feel free to do so.

But at the moment there is a G-man aboard this vessel, and he needs to be caught.

Otherwise, I just may have to blow this whole thing to high heck.:tnt:

FOS:Reenk Roink Why is there all this surveillance equipment everywhere? Is it from a man who earlier stated he would be watching us all? The security guard?

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2009, 15:47

Classified FBI log
Agent 824, Headquarters

It seems someone destroyed our equipment, and we will not be able to receive any further reports. At this point, we may have to send the navy after them.

Let's not be forgetting all the clues. I should have posted this sooner.

Yoyoma1910

01-06-2009, 15:57

Perhaps then, Chaotix was the agent... Hmmm.

Reenk Roink

01-06-2009, 17:08

FOS:Reenk Roink Why is there all this surveillance equipment everywhere? Is it from a man who earlier stated he would be watching us all? The security guard?

:laugh4: Well if we're going to continue the way of roles, I already told you that my plan was to set up cameras everywhere but you greedy folks wouldn't let me... :inquisitive:

GeneralHankerchief

01-06-2009, 19:06

Just woke up. Give me some time to get my stuff together.

For now though, it looks to me like one person can target multiple people per night.

seireikhaan

01-06-2009, 19:46

Vote: TevashSzat

I don't like how you lurk the entire game and just happen to pop in to the thread immediately after GH votes you.

TevashSzat

01-06-2009, 21:10

Vote: TevashSzat

I don't like how you lurk the entire game and just happen to pop in to the thread immediately after GH votes you.

Umm......I usually am never extremely active in posting in mafia games b/c I usually have nothing much to say that is constructive. That doesn't mean however, that I don't read the mafia thread so when someone makes an accusation against me or something, I'll respond usually. Now, I can picture you claiming that my response to your vote somehow makes me super scummy.....

Now regarding the ATPG writeups:

If YLC is indeed the traitor, there is a problem: whoever killed Chaotix is definately not the FBI agent.

Furthermore, whoever attacked yoyoma doesn't seem to be FBI too, meaning that

a) either GH is right and someone can attack multiple people

or

b) there is more than one traitor.

Either way we still got alot of work to do b/c the FBI agent is still alive...

Edit:

@seireikhaan

I have 20 posts in the thread while you have 25 posts. That really isn't alot more....

seireikhaan

01-06-2009, 21:14

You further cement my suspicions...

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2009, 21:32

YLC seems to find your behaviors amusing. He asked permission to laugh in your general direction. :laugh2:

ULC

01-06-2009, 21:33

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA...this is the funniest thread ever, I'm gonna go die over in that corner over there from laughing my head off...

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

seireikhaan

01-06-2009, 21:35

You need practice. :wink:

Thermal

01-06-2009, 21:59

wobblehead

just felt the need to revolt against ATPG's rules :clown:

Askthepizzaguy

01-06-2009, 22:01

There might yet be a revolt. :mellow:

GeneralHankerchief

01-06-2009, 22:10

All right, here we go again.

What we know:

YLC is a Traitor. He also was responsible for the murder attempt on me the other night.

There were two murder attempts last night as opposed to three. Both were made by a knife-wielding attacker (a different weapon than the attempts of the previous night).

YLC claims he was set up. However, anything he says is to be taken with several piles of salt at this point.

Judging by the murder of Chaotix, it is now possible to successfully kill at night. However, considering the missed attempt on Yoyoma, it's still not a sure thing.

What we think:

I strongly believe that one person was responsible for both of last night's attempts, judging by the wording of the story. This means we're down from (probably) 3 to one. Either the town got lucky or someone is biding their time.

However, we also need to be careful. I don't think a person has ever been able to try to whack two separate people at night before.

It seems as if the naming other people in the lynch scene doesn't mean much, as we've now had two lynches in a row where the condemned party expresses his, er, wishes to another person. However, also keep in mind that YLC is a confirmed bad guy.

Contrary to my earlier belief, we're probably facing more than one Traitor (although we may be down to one after YLC's death).

The FBI Agent is still around (although maybe not, see below).

What we're not sure of:

No clue what the latest clue, "destruction of equipment" signifies. This latest report sounds like it's coming from off the ship, however. Either the folks at the J. Edgar Hoover Building in Washington are operating blind or Chaotix was the FBI agent. Either way, the FBI has experienced a setback, which is good for us.

Tevash is probably not the FBI agent, considering he got a vote last round and the last writeup mentioned nothing about the agent being in danger. However, also keep in mind my belief that the most recent report comes from off the ship. Also, despite getting a vote last round, Tevash was never in danger of being lynched.

We still have no idea how many antagonists remain, aside from "one less than last round".

I put this last, because I don't want to make too much of it considering it came from YLC, but him saying that he was "set up" could mean a couple of different things. Was the person who set him up, if there was one, somebody who voted for him? Or was it his second attacker at night, who inadvertently revealed that YLC was out of his room, trying to kill me? Since there's no way to know, we shouldn't travel down this route.

Quick thoughts on everybody left alive:

- Yoyoma got in trouble last round but so far hasn't really changed his behavior, meaning either he's a townie or a skilled mafioso. He's also looking better after YLC's lynch scene.

- shlin hasn't said as much recently.

- We're still waiting on Beefy to get back into things after his headache.

- I was named in the writeup as the person whom YLC most wished was dead. Right afterwards, he claimed he was "set up".

- Reenk thought that YLC was a bad lynch and was proven wrong. He's spent most of the game criticizing the town's behavior.

- khaan comes out of all of this smelling like a rose.

- woad has been under the radar for most of the game.

- Tevash has been under moderate fire a lot. Recently called out for his suspicious activity and has defended it. He may still be the FBI Agent.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Vote: woad

Because I think you're being very cautious and careful.

Yoyoma1910

01-06-2009, 23:03

- khaan comes out of all of this smelling like a rose.

I would say Yes and No.

He was right about YLC. However, if the FBI agent is able to "gather information," as was stated in the opening sequence...

Well then, wouldn't that ability help him figure out who was guilty?

I also don't trust a man in this profession who doesn't have at least a little stink on him.

Vote:Khaan.

Reenk Roink

01-07-2009, 00:28

I'm really becoming way of GeneralHankerchief now. He was pushy before, but now after the kill attempts started, he seems to have it all figured out and is doing his best to "guide" the town. No offense, but you seem to have it all figured out and I can't figure out how or why you do... :inquisitive:

How do we "know" YLC was the traitor? Askthepizzaguy is the one host who I know would love to screw with ambiguity in the write ups and YLC has stated how he would behave if lynched and angry (see The Prometheus) which is what he is doing now.

We should at least wait for the next round writeups to discern any patterns and changes.

As for seireikhaan, while I certainly don't think the recent events exonerate him in anyway, my suspicions of him have simmered down recently.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

01-07-2009, 01:36

All I'm trying to do is sort out information and separate the fact from the speculation. In case you haven't noticed, but my "What we think" and "What we're not sure of" sections are a lot longer than the "What we know" one.

And you guys may know better than me, but does ATPG usually reveal roles upon death (especially in smaller games)?

woad&fangs

01-07-2009, 01:41

Vote: woad

Because I think you're being very cautious and careful.

yep. That's because I've had a pressing interest in staying alive. However, now that the FBI agent appears to be dead I might as well share my knowledge:wall:

You see...

Setting up our transactions wasn't the only thing I've been up to. Dmitry Medvedev offered me a substantial reward to kill the yankee pig-spy myself. So I bided my time, analyzing each and everyone of you until I found someone whose guilt I was convinced so thoroughly of that I decided to make my move. Yes! It was I who attempted to poison YLC with plutonium! :skull::skull::skull: Unfortunately, not only did I fail but it appears I was only half right. He was not the yankee pig-spy. Merely a common traitor. But now, with the apparent death of the FBI agent, I find it fruitful to reveal my ulterior motives.

ahem...

In short. I am a vigilante. I get a minor victory with a town win and a major victory if the town wins and I kill the FBI agent myself. YLC and Ares both seemed so scummy to me that I decided to kill whichever one was not lynched(I told ATPG this in the day phase). Unfortunately that 50% chance of failure decided to rear it's ugly head:wall:. I was the first attempt on YLC. The one with the syringe(which would have been filled with plutonium). I was the person who suggested a murder method to ATPG that night. With 2 kills beside my own occuring that night I decided to hold off on the kills until I was really sure I knew who the FBI agent was.

Anyways, he's dead now so I hope this info helps.:bow:

GeneralHankerchief

01-07-2009, 01:43

Righty-o.

Unvote: woad

-edit- Assuming woad is telling the truth, this calls into question whether YLC was trying to frame khaan or not, meaning that his speech during the lynch scene is called into question, meaning that Reenk's argument is looking better. Back to work. :wall:

Yoyoma1910

01-07-2009, 01:45

Are we sure the FBI agent is dead?

It still feels a little ambiguous...

Beefy187

01-07-2009, 02:10

It says nothing about FBI agent being dead. The FBI equipment seems to have been destroyed before this night phase according to ATPG so someone might have found out who the FBI was.

The night phase suggests one attacker attacking two in the same night. Tad too power for a vigilante so it seems that there is another traitor amongst us.

But we should be worrying about FBIs still as their equipments are gone but they seems to be able to call the navy upon us.

By the way, my head aches are gone. But yesterday I was out all day and I probably will be today as well.

shlin28

01-07-2009, 18:31

Sorry about my absence for the past 2 days, something unexpected came up.

Anyhoo, although the write-up does suggest that Chaotix was the FBI and the murderer was a traitor, I'm not really sure... ATPG is one confusing host, so I would not listen to anything he says.

On the other hand however, I do not get half of the reasonings for voting people some people have for their votes, and the most significant of them is Reenk Roink, who popped up after low activity and voted for someone who had weathered suspicions and actively trying to analyze. Because of this, I Vote: Reenk Roink

(Also, him wanting to wait till next round to gather intel is fishy, as if kills continue to escalate, we need aall the time we got)

:smg:

Askthepizzaguy

01-07-2009, 18:35

Sorry about my absence for the past 2 days, something unexpected came up.

Anyhoo, although the write-up does suggest that Chaotix was the FBI and the murderer was a traitor, I'm not really sure... ATPG is one confusing host, so I would not listen to anything he says.

Oh, Shlin... poor, poor Shlin...

the idea is to not only listen to what I say, but try to figure out what else I am saying when I say it. This entire game is one giant double entendre.

You need to not only listen, but hear more than what you're hearing. Starting from the very beginning. I can't give you more clues, and this is about as far as I will go before... well...

:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :laugh2: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

See the one guy smiling? That's me.

seireikhaan

01-07-2009, 19:08

So long as we're hypothesizing about the FBI agent:

Classified FBI log
Agent 824, Headquarters

It seems someone destroyed our equipment, and we will not be able to receive any further reports. At this point, we may have to send the navy after them.
"It seems someone destroyed OUR equipment.

:inquisitive:

OUR. WE. Is this supposed to imply there is actually two agents? If not, then I fail to see how Chaotix could have been the agent; dead men tell no tales, so the saying goes. If Chaotix was the agent, then there could not have been a new log.

Unvote: TevashSzat
Vote: Woad&Fangs

I don't trust Dmitri Medvedev(aka Vlad Putin, for all intensive purposes) to have sent a killer for the purposes of just killing a Yank. Methinks he wants the gold for himself too.

shlin28

01-07-2009, 21:03

Oh, Shlin... poor, poor Shlin...

the idea is to not only listen to what I say, but try to figure out what else I am saying when I say it. This entire game is one giant double entendre.

You need to not only listen, but hear more than what you're hearing. Starting from the very beginning. I can't give you more clues, and this is about as far as I will go before... well...

:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :laugh2: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

See the one guy smiling? That's me.

I say that this statement is a double entendre, and there are in fact no clues! AT ALL!

I've read all of your posts and I see no hidden messages :inquisitive:

Beefy187

01-08-2009, 00:29

Oh, Shlin... poor, poor Shlin...

the idea is to not only listen to what I say, but try to figure out what else I am saying when I say it. This entire game is one giant double entendre.

You need to not only listen, but hear more than what you're hearing. Starting from the very beginning. I can't give you more clues, and this is about as far as I will go before... well...

:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :laugh2: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

See the one guy smiling? That's me.

Theres 7 skulls on the left and 5 on the right? I wonder if theres any clue behind it? :beam:

woad&fangs

01-08-2009, 01:16

So long as we're hypothesizing about the FBI agent:

"It seems someone destroyed OUR equipment.

:inquisitive:

OUR. WE. Is this supposed to imply there is actually two agents? If not, then I fail to see how Chaotix could have been the agent; dead men tell no tales, so the saying goes. If Chaotix was the agent, then there could not have been a new log.

I believe, like GH, that the last FBI log was from the headquarters and not the agent.

Beefy187

01-08-2009, 01:32

GeneralHankerchief

01-08-2009, 01:58

Keep in mind that the FBI agent may not be dead, just out of contact with HQ.

Beefy187

01-08-2009, 02:40

Keep in mind that the FBI agent may not be dead, just out of contact with HQ.

Unless ATPG is going to be mean, I guess we could find out on the next FBI log.

Reenk Roink

01-08-2009, 03:12

Ah I see it now. GHs theory sounds right.

Apologies for a shameless bandwagon but I would have to vote for Reenk

Vote: Reenk

I see what you mean as GH dominating the discussion. However his theories seems to be pretty accurate til now. I don't really think he is one of the killers. Also he was attacked by YLC pretty badly. I don't think he could've done deadly deeds after being attacked.

I think Khaan is also innocent as YLC claimed that his the one who attacked as if he is the surgeon. Other then that write up, there is not much evidence against Khaan so far.

Reenk has avoided bandwagons and stuff so far as he is constantly opposing the mainstream lynching ideas. However as we were able to kill one scum off yesterday, I rekon the town is functioning fairly well so far.

If GH is correct and ATPGs write up is accurate, FBI is now gone (although the navy seem to know our location) and one traitor down. Although there seems to be one killer still roaming around I think we can expect a decent finale, with us all bailing with small share of the gold.

OK, Beefy, I'm sorry to have to do this, but I will have to rip apart your post to show all the flaws with it (and at the same time show the flaws of GeneralHankercheif's theories).

You agree with me that GeneralHankerchief is dominating the discussion. Good. It seems so incredibly obvious but I really don't know how the town will react... Would you also agree that this is dangerous?

Again, I don't have much of a case against seireikhaan either anymore. He shouldn't be the focus of much as of yet given what we know: GeneralHankerchief and woad&fangs after his "reveal" are much more intriguing prospects.

This is what I think of the YLC situation. Given all I know about YLC from his behavior in The Prometheus and statements in the Prometheus and Scourge of Ephesus games he is a townie that will spitefully try to hurt the town if he is lynched.

Look how he laughs at the town in the kill writeup, and then reinforces it in the thread as well as through Askthepizzaguy's sayings.

My theory, which is much less naive that GeneralHankerchief's theory is that YLC is not the traitor but rather asked Askthepizzaguy to write his lynch writeup like that. After all, why the heck would the traitors decide to reveal that one of them were dead?

It is much more likely as I describe it.

Lastly, I do want to know one thing Beefy, you have hounded me this whole game more than anyone else? And for no good reasons as you have stated multiple times? Why is this? You know what I am beginning to think? The "Reenk is always a good choice" card has been played by Mafia before, always jumping on my suspiciousness, and I believe there's a good chance you are playing the same... :yes:

And shilin28, your reason against me is not much better either. You claim I have popped out after "low activity" which is just not true, because I have participated in every round. :rolleyes:

Beefy187

01-08-2009, 03:24

At least its not getting you lynched :laugh4: See flawed logic is awesome. It can protect you

Okay. Now serious. I'm sorry for haunting you. Although your not right about me being the mafia, I have been lazy.... No... I have been a usual Beefy not putting much thoughts into who to lynch. And your absolutely right. Your anti town behavior has been a good reason for me to jump on you when I'm completely lost.

Paranoia is a good thing. We defs need a person who checks on the hosts write up and checks on who ever is dominating the discussion. But Beefys law of balance states that we also need extremely naive person... Sheep almost to balance things out. And Beefy is well suited for that job (Year of the sheep!)

So my apologies but ill have to keep my vote on you until I find a better things to jump on/ follow

Reenk Roink

01-08-2009, 03:30

Your anti town behavior

Injecting a bit of skepticism to prevent demagogues from taking control of the crew is not "anti-town" but whatever... :shrug:

seireikhaan

01-08-2009, 03:33

Reenk Roink

01-08-2009, 03:42

I'm gonna say this again, guys: Woad reeks to me. There's something woefully wrong to me that he could be a Russian spy with no objective other than stopping the Americans when there's a :daisy: load of gold on board. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Vote: woad&fangs

I have tied it up and now would like to see if either GeneralHankerchief or woad&fangs would like to kill me...

woad&fangs

01-08-2009, 04:05

On an unrelated note, I think that Shlin28 is most likely innocent because he was unexpectedly gone the last 2 days and I think it is unlikely that the mafia would send in their kill choices on the first day.

GeneralHankerchief

01-08-2009, 04:05

Honestly, my brain is almost fried at this point. I can't handle two mafia games at once, although Reenk looks like he's creating a trap situation by calling me and Woadsy out. If I vote Reenk, it's proof that I'm bad; if I do nothing then I'm a coward afraid to strike the final blow and playing too cautiously for a townie.

Therefore, I'm going to do something different entirely:

Vote: Tevash

:balloon3: :balloon3: :Mr-T: :balloon3: :balloon3:

woad&fangs

01-08-2009, 04:11

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'll call your bluff~:smoking:

Reenk Roink

01-08-2009, 04:17

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'll call your bluff~:smoking:

You know who to get next town. :bow:

Edit: GH on a somewhat related note, I do want to know why you accepted woad&fangs testimony so easily, especially given that it kind of calls into question your own theories?

woad&fangs

01-08-2009, 04:31

lol

there's still plenty of voting time left. Your "trap" is so ham-handed that I just had to poke it with a stick/vote.~;p

Thermal

01-08-2009, 19:48

love the way i still have one of the highest post counts a few days after my death :laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

01-08-2009, 19:53

Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, put this round out of its misery. :wall:

Whoops, meant to put that in the other thread.

shlin28

01-08-2009, 21:12

And shilin28, your reason against me is not much better either. You claim I have popped out after "low activity" which is just not true, because I have participated in every round. :rolleyes:

Of course, I have participated in every round too, but my rather conspicuous absence for 2 days 2 days ago were rather noticable, was it not? Yet I can still make a post in one day phase despite my 2 day absence... So anyone can lurk and post once every round, but still counts as lurking, as the rounds in this game were especially long. My vote stays :bow:

TevashSzat

01-09-2009, 00:52

yep. That's because I've had a pressing interest in staying alive. However, now that the FBI agent appears to be dead I might as well share my knowledge:wall:

You see...

Setting up our transactions wasn't the only thing I've been up to. Dmitry Medvedev offered me a substantial reward to kill the yankee pig-spy myself. So I bided my time, analyzing each and everyone of you until I found someone whose guilt I was convinced so thoroughly of that I decided to make my move. Yes! It was I who attempted to poison YLC with plutonium! :skull::skull::skull: Unfortunately, not only did I fail but it appears I was only half right. He was not the yankee pig-spy. Merely a common traitor. But now, with the apparent death of the FBI agent, I find it fruitful to reveal my ulterior motives.

ahem...

In short. I am a vigilante. I get a minor victory with a town win and a major victory if the town wins and I kill the FBI agent myself. YLC and Ares both seemed so scummy to me that I decided to kill whichever one was not lynched(I told ATPG this in the day phase). Unfortunately that 50% chance of failure decided to rear it's ugly head:wall:. I was the first attempt on YLC. The one with the syringe(which would have been filled with plutonium). I was the person who suggested a murder method to ATPG that night. With 2 kills beside my own occuring that night I decided to hold off on the kills until I was really sure I knew who the FBI agent was.

Anyways, he's dead now so I hope this info helps.:bow:

So, you thought YLC was the FBI agent earlier right? Only after Chaotix died did you realize that he is indeed the FBI agent? Now, if I read the night writeup correctly, it seemed like neither the killer nor Chaotix were FBI agents.

Furthermore, if you really thought YLC was the FBI agent or scummy at least, lets look at last day's votes:

Vote: YLC

For slinking out of your cabin. Where were you?

Unvote: khaan
Vote: YLC

GH's reasonings sorta convince me, although you are still on my radar :yes:

Unvote: GH. Vote: YLC

Let's test your hypothesis regarding what the host would write when you are lynched.:devilish:

vote:YLC

vote:YLC
For the same reason I fos'd him earlier. Plus I don't see why everyone is voting for Yoyoma...

You were the fifth in the vote, only bandwagoning at the last moment. True you FOSed YLC earlier, but it was only because he was out of bed, and you FOSed khaan too. In fact, you made no attempt to get YLC lynched other than that short post where you FOSed him.

I smell something fishy, which is why I will Vote:woad&fangs

Updated Tally:

woad- 3 (khaan, Reenk, Tevash)

Reenk- 2 (Beefy, woad)

khaan- 1 (Yoyoma)
Tevash- 1 (GH)

Edit: It seems everyone has voted except for shlin

woad&fangs

01-09-2009, 01:27

With actual information to work off of I wanted to analyze that before I started making descisions about who to vote for. Also, shouldn't me and Reenk be tied? I thought that we were tied at 2 votes each and then I voted for him so your vote would restore the tie...

Reenk Roink

01-09-2009, 01:34

Yes shilin28 has voted for me.

seireikhaan

01-09-2009, 08:44

Since the dead are not supposed to be speaking, I'm going to say this now- in the event that Woad survives this round, I will most certainly be killed. Not by Woad, but by a separate, yet equally dangerous assassin, looking to create massive WIFOM, despite the fact that Woad's lynching will(should?) happen regardless because neutral roles are always bad for the town and they would hopefully realize this by the next round. Either way, lynch Woad next round and don't let WIFOM get drift you off target.

And don't give me any of this nonsense about Woad being a vigelante- that role description screams "NEUTRAL SK ROLE" all the way. I sincerely doubt that Russia would just let a literal boatload of gold get away and just be happy about stopping the Americans when that much hard cash is right within their grasp.

Askthepizzaguy

01-09-2009, 11:30

Ok, This phase is over. Tally confirmation would be great. Writeups to follow.

Last minute vote/action choices now, or forever hold your peace.

Askthepizzaguy

01-09-2009, 12:49

SK votes woad
Beefy votes Reenk
GH votes Tevash
yoyoma votes khaan
Reenk votes woad
Shlin votes Reenk
woad votes Reenk

I believe this is the correct tally, but I need to recheck it. :whip:s you all for not keeping the tally going.

Reenk should be lynched, I take it...

ULC

01-09-2009, 12:53

Not to be cruel, but I don't see Shlins vote for Reenk...

Askthepizzaguy

01-09-2009, 12:54

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2100975&postcount=553

Shlin's vote. Did it change?

ULC

01-09-2009, 12:57

Ah, I see, sorry bout that - I did a quick run through and Shlin had buried his so I didn't see it. Carry on.

Askthepizzaguy

01-09-2009, 13:34

Day Eight-

Reenk Roink looked at the tally and realized he was done for. Reenk dropped his weapon too, remembering what had happened to those who had tried to shoot their way out.

"I surrender" he said. "I just want to have one last look at the beautiful sky before I die. And I also have things I must confess." The rest of the group led him out to the deck, where the sun was setting. "Anyone have some of that celebratory wine from when we managed to escape with the gold?" Someone left the group and Reenk continued to talk.

"I have to tell you, fellows, that I had designs on the gold myself. But I resisted the temptation. I was not responsible for any of the deaths aboard this ship, and never once did I try to kill any of you." The man returned with the chilled wine. Reenk began to drink as he stood and watched the sun set in the west. "I also have no idea if the FBI is aboard this ship. It seems to me, we would have noticed if there were such an infiltrator. But I had my suspicions, as the rest of you did."

Reenk took another sip. "One thing I do know... is that someone is playing you like a fiddle. I don't know who, or how... but I've seen the way you guys have been behaving of late and it's clear you're starting to panic. Just relax and it will come." Reenk took one final look at the sunset.

"You guys need to figure out who tried to kill YLC. I'm sure they have some explaining to do as well. I guess I am ready. One last thing... I'm not really a security guard. But I had my reasons for wanting to keep my identity a secret." Reenk downed the last of the wine, and smashed the glass against the deck. "All right you :daisy: coward!!! Why don't you have some cajones and shoot me first???"

The entire group hesitated.... waiting to see who would shoot first.

"Ha! I guess he doesn't have the grapes to come forward."

One of them stepped forward. "Enough of this... the vote is finished. We kill Reenk, as we agreed. On the count of three... one... two..."

Several people fired, but some did not. It all happened so fast. Reenk fell to the ground and bled slowly to death, laughing at the sick irony of it all.

Begin Night Eight

Askthepizzaguy

01-09-2009, 14:09

Night Eight

Beefy left his cabin that night with murderous intent. He headed for the surgeon's room, with the idea of slicing the man to pieces with his long, sharp sword. He deftly slipped in through the narrow port hole, and listened to his victim sleep. He silently moved across the room.

Seireikhaan began firing his weapon, and the startled Beefy dropped his weapon.

The noise woke all the other members of the crew. Everyone rushed to Seireikhaan's cabin, and he moved to unlock the door.

"Now, mister 'communications expert', let's see if you can communicate to the crew exactly what the hell you were doing in my room trying to kill me?"

"What happened?" Asked TevashSzat.

"This wretched little rat snuck into my room through the open porthole, and did not see in the darkness that I was still awake. A sword is no match for a gun, my silent little assassin." said Seireikhaan.

Beefy just hung his head in defeat. "I can explain, if you just give me the chance"

"Sure, explain away. Seems we're taking another trip outside into the fresh air today..."

_

They led Beefy to the top deck.

"Might I have one final request?"

The crew nodded.

"I would like to have one last tasty juicy beefsteak. Nothing would please me more than to taste it's tender meat one last time."

So they cooked up a steak in the kitchen for mister Beefy, who remained mostly silent, and under heavy guard.

Beefy ate the tasty meat and savored it's rich flavor. "Oh, this is so good... much better than chicken, or lamb. In fact, I heard once that chicken can kill you..."

Askthepizzaguy was sitting at home in Florida laughing.

"Now that I'm finished, I would like to say this:"

Beefy took the steak knife and flung it with great skill and ability towards the one known as Seireikhaan, and with pure reflexes, Seireikhaan ducked out of the way. The rest of the crew was stunned for a moment at the sheer bravery of the act, but quickly turned their weapons on Beefy and fired.

Beefy was very agile, and made several backflips and did one final leap off of the tanker into the waters of the Atlantic. The crew watched helplessly as he dove into the water. But Seireikhaan would not let his attacker get away that easily. He fired blindly into the dark shimmering waters, and listened carefully.

There were moans of pain... and even in the moonlight, the waters turned bloody red. The sharks had been following the tanker for some time now, since they had been feasting on the bodies that had been dumped overboard. Beefy had nearly escaped into the water, but without a life preserver, he had no real chance of survival... and then the bullet wounds finished him off.

There would be no more Beef served aboard the tanker.

Players remaining: 6

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Begin Day Nine

Reenk Roink

01-09-2009, 16:18

Um it was a tie Pizzaguy.

TevashSzat also voted woad.

It was 3-3.

But nevermind now, good job town, ya really screwed yourself now. :rolleyes:

Askthepizzaguy

01-09-2009, 16:25

Whooo boy... now that's some good mistake makin.

We should keep a running tally for this very reason. But I can't really blame anyone but myself.

I think I may have promised a random lynching; so let's recheck with random.org

Heads he lives, tails he dies, 0=heads, 1=tails.

Random Integer Generator

Here are your random numbers:

1

Timestamp: 2009-01-09 15:21:32 UTC

Phew! Got me off the hook anyway. Reenk would have been lynched in any case.

Reenk still got my personal apologies in a private message.

shlin28

01-09-2009, 17:29

What we know:

Reenk is not a security guard, and seems like to be some sort of a neutral character... a traitor but with no ability to kill?

Beefy - A killer obviously, but whether he is a traitor/FBI/vig is unknown. Judging by the fact that he used a sword, I would doubt that he was an FBI agent. Also, it did not mention anything about him wanting any gold like the stuff from write-ups about YLC. So in my opinion he is a vigilante kind of character.

SK- a surgeon responding with a gun? seriously? and all that awsome reflex? Methinks the surgeon got something to hide :no:

Vote: Sereikhaan

GeneralHankerchief

01-09-2009, 17:47

I'll do my usual thing later, but for now I'd just like to point out that there was no FBI report of any kind today.

seireikhaan

01-09-2009, 18:23

Vote: Woad&Fangs

:wall:

How many times must I repeat myself? He's an ADMITTED KILLER and he's got a neutral role to boot. This guy is BAD for the town. I can't believe the town actually left the last lynch up to a coin flip(riiiiight, pizzaman :whip:) between Reenk and neutral killing role.

Yoyoma1910

01-09-2009, 18:31

seireikhaan

01-09-2009, 19:02

Mafia as a game has several tendencies. One of which is that it is always considered an attractive option to frame other people. Also, I must extend congratulations of a degree to Beefy- I hadn't an inkling of suspicion towards you, you were doing an excellent job of avoiding suspicion. :bow:

TevashSzat

01-09-2009, 21:59

Yep, didn't suspect at all that it was Beefy. Was he the one who killed Chaotix?

Anyways, Vote:woad because he got off lucky last day and for the reasons I stated in my previous post.

Tally:

woad&fangs - 2 (khaan, Tevash)

Yoyoma1910

01-09-2009, 22:05

Alright 'Khaan. I'll trust you, this time. Mainly because my brain already hurts.

vote: W&F

shlin28

01-09-2009, 22:18

D'oh!

Forgot about Woad. Darn thread getting too long :wall:

Anyhoo, looking bacj at his posts I found this post interesting:

In short. I am a vigilante. I get a minor victory with a town win and a major victory if the town wins and I kill the FBI agent myself.

He says he has a minor/major victory condition, yet I have none in my PM..?

Unvote: SK, Vote: W&F

Sorry about the bandwagon :sweatdrop:

(Still suspecting SK though)

GeneralHankerchief

01-09-2009, 23:04

Ugh, this is the last time I try to do this after seeing a "Bond" (quotated because Daniel Craig is not and will never be James Bond) film. Got me even more paranoid than usual. :wall:

What we know:

According to ATPG's writeups, at least two bad guys are down: YLC and Beefy. Out of these two Beefy is more definite because he was actually caught in the act.

There was no FBI report in the latest writeup. This comes right after one in which the FBI were experiencing difficulties.

The number of kills/attempts per round has dwindled by one each round since there was the three separate attempts a round ago.

woad has claimed vigilante and responsibility for the first attempt on YLC. He says his primary target is/was the MIA FBI agent. He is currently facing a bandwagon of epic proportions, largely of khaan's making.

What we think:

woad's story is getting battered. His claim of working for the Russians but only wanting the FBI agent dead doesn't make much sense considering they are the Russians and all. In addition, he revealed rather hastily, after my vote of him saying he was playing a bit cautiously.

He believes the FBI agent dead, and probably still thinks so considering the lack of report today. Thus, according to him, he would have nobody else to vig-kill. After one round, this part of the reveal holds up as the only murder attempt was made by Beefy.

Our dearly departed Reenk is now 0-for-2 (well, possibly 0.5) on townie theories, calling YLC (probably guilty) a bad lynch and thinking Beefy (definitely guilty) more on the wrong track than anything else. Of course, he did call Beefy suspicious but never lodged a vote or made anything more than an offhand comment saying as much.

Tevash has done a nice job of calling woad out on his voting timing a while ago, to which woad responded to.

khaan once again looks good, taking the lead on the woad attack brigade, and correctly predicting (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102451&postcount=578) his murder attempt. Of course, this could be a diabolical move on his part, sacrificing Beefy a la Prometheus in order to solidify his own position in the endgame, but I doubt it. Beefy wasn't on anybody's radar at all (including mine).

What we're not sure of:

The FBI agent's powers, or status. Leaning towards "dead/MIA" but this is not certain.

The wherabouts of the previous night's killer, who made two separate attempts. This was possibly Beefy, who was interrupted during his first attempt.

This Reenk quote in the ATPG writeup sounds important:

"You guys need to figure out who tried to kill YLC. I'm sure they have some explaining to do as well. I guess I am ready. One last thing... I'm not really a security guard. But I had my reasons for wanting to keep my identity a secret."

Now, this would appear to point to Woadsy. But, at the time, we already know that woad tried to kill YLC. I'm thinking it's leaning more toward the second attempt, the one that caught YLC out of his room. This might have been Beefy, in which case we can breathe a big sigh of relief. If not... that's another mystery. Also, it calls into question Reenk's true role.

Brief thoughts on everybody alive:

- Yoyoma and shlin, both after facing some early pressure, are now kind of sliding by as the attention focuses on others. Out of the two of them, shlin is doing a little more.
- I am trying to summarize everything and separate the fact from the speculation. This may also be me trying to sway discussion the way I want it to, however.
- Out of all of us, khaan looks the best, having been framed once and him having caught Beefy the other time. However, I can hear the whispers starting that he's looking too good (might have engineered the Beefy capture, seems very capable for a plastic surgeon, etc). IMHO, not worth a lynch this round but definitely worth keeping an eye on.
- woad is in deep trouble.
- Tevash is slowly becoming more active.

~~~~~~~~~

Vote: woad

I look at it logically. All evidence points to the FBI agent being either dead or incapacitated. If this is the truth, then your task is complete. At this point, the risk of you lying outweighs the reward of your continued usefulness.

Now, I could see khaan being our FBI agent and faking his apparent destruction in an attempt to make Woadsy look bad (especially if khaan can't kill at night). However, while plausible, this theory is far-fetched (I think) and thus Occam's Razor leads me to the woad vote. You better have a good defense, dude. :smash:

woad&fangs

01-10-2009, 01:23

:dizzy2:
I don't even know where to start defending myself:dizzy2:

Shlin- I only know what was in my PM. I can't speak for the rest of yours.

GH- I revealed because I glanced through the night writeup and thought the agent was dead, not because you voted for me. Besides, one vote is not enough to spook me into revealing my role(especially when I'm a :daisy:ing vigilante.).

General defense stuff- dying reenk said we should find out who tried to kill YLC. Since I have already admitted to this I assume we are looking for the second attempt on him.

I'll edit this in a second when I read through the accusations...

ULC

01-10-2009, 01:58

*Laughs Manically* This gets funnier by the second *continues laughing*

Beefy187

01-10-2009, 02:57

:egypt:

That is all. (Yes that means im going to go play EB:yes:)

White_eyes:D

01-10-2009, 11:25

*by Pizzaguy* :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: you....guys....:laugh4:...man too funny......

Thermal

01-10-2009, 17:34

i dont know why there laughing :shrug:

Yoyoma1910

01-10-2009, 17:36

Because, they're silly.

Thermal

01-10-2009, 17:48

Because, they're silly.

but there silly and dead, well at least one is, and im not silly and dead :cry: im just dead :no:

shlin28

01-10-2009, 20:05

Stupid dead people being all smug and happy... when I die I'll show you how a TRUE dead person plays, by being SILENT! (If I die at all that is, with all the laws of probability on my side its kinda doubtful :smash:)

Anyhoo, Woad's lack of explaination is very telling, especially since he was online 1 hour ago...

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

ULC

01-10-2009, 21:23

*chuckles* Laughter, and laughing at you specifically, is all I have left to myself, according to the rules. *laughs manically*

woad&fangs

01-10-2009, 22:09

I'm not really sure what you guys want me to explain:laugh4:

You guys are basically lynching me because I'm a vigilante. I get it. A person reveals they're a vigilante and then gets lynched. Its the way its been since the dawn of mafia. You think I didn't expect this when I revealed? At least stop being lazy, and LOOK at someone else because this game won't end when I die.:laugh4:

woad&fangs

01-10-2009, 22:10

vote: Yoyoma
because he's been just going with the flow for a long time now.

Thermal

01-10-2009, 22:45

:drama2:

Yoyoma1910

01-10-2009, 23:11

vote: Yoyoma
because he's been just going with the flow for a long time now.

I disagree.

White_eyes:D

01-11-2009, 00:14

*chuckles* Laughter, and laughing at you specifically, is all I have left to myself, according to the rules. *laughs manically*

hmmm.....does he know what I know?:evil:

Thermal

01-11-2009, 00:39

hmmm.....does he know what I know?:evil:

hmmm.....does he know that the other ones knows what i don't know? :dizzy2:

TevashSzat

01-11-2009, 13:50

So yeah.....when does this round end?

ATPG apparently hasn't been on since the 9th

Yoyoma1910

01-11-2009, 18:27

maybe someone mistook him for one of his pizzas?

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 09:21

Apologies, everyone... I am having severe connection issues. Progress on these forums is slow at best, connection dropping intermittently.

I am attempting to move this game along. Please, a tally would be loverly, especially since I keep messing them up.

I will check and recheck my own tally this time.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 09:34

Wow connection is holding, for now. Gotta spit this out. Will do writeups momentarily, so this is just to advance the round.

If you want suspense, DO NOT CLICK THE SPOILER.

Shlin votes Woad
Seireikhaan votes Woad
Tevash votes Woad
Yoyoma votes Woad
GH votes Woad
Woad votes Yoyoma

woad&fangs is lynched in the usual way, the game continues to night phase. Calculating Night results.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 09:46

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Players remaining Day Nine.

Yoyoma
Shlin
GeneralHankerchief
Seireikhaan
TevashSzat

Night actions complete. Kill writeups to follow.

Night Nine.

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 10:32

Day Nine

woad&fangs was sitting in his room when the next vote came around. He refused to attend. Everyone else had voted for him, as he suspected they would. He was actually more interested in the book he was reading.

A knock on the door... "Enter" said woad.

"The vote is almost unanimous. What say you?"

woad- "I believe it was Yoyoma. Not that you care what I have to say, you pack of rabid wolves."
"Right. Any final words?"

woad- "I will not plead for my life. Instead, I am seeking redemption. I beg the Lord forgiveness for my sins..."
"Yeah, yeah... whatever. Is that all?"

woad- "That's all."

The group raised their weapons and shot him to death. Afterwards, they inspected his room. Splattered everywhere were his remains, and little else. There was a cot, a desk, a lamp, a book open, and woad's weapon, which had not been fired after all these days. They looked at the book on the desk, and it was a Bible. A passage was highlighted.

John 8:28

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

8:29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

And so the group left his cabin and went back to theirs.

Night Nine

The intruder entered Shlin28's room that night, with a rusty hatchet. He approached the sleeping Shlin, and stuck him with a needle. Shlin began to stir, looked into the eyes of his attacker, but quickly faded into a drug-induced stupor. He watched in groggy horror as the intruder buried the hatchet in his chest, and began carving out his beating heart. He cut the organ completely out of Shlin's chest and violently bit into it, voraciously devouring the still-beating meat. He ate and ate and soon, there was nothing left but a pool of blood. Shlin managed to make a soft utterance... he tried to plead for his life, but he could not form the words.

The attacker took a glass and began drinking the blood, and after drinking it all up, he spoke. "At long last, my Shlinny Shlinn Shlin, I have finally gained your rich and tasty courage."

But the noise of the attack had caused others to stir. One of the crew members fired his weapon into the air.

"There's an attack! There's an attack! Everyone come quickly!!!"

All the other crew members ran to Shlin's cabin and the first one in the room fired his weapon. Seireikhaan dropped to the ground, his face covered in blood. His legs were torn apart by the gunfire, but he was still conscious.

"Before we put you out of your misery, do you have anything to say?"

Seireikhaan: :mellow:

"I guess not. Good-bye... Seireikhaan!"

They all shot him to death.

___________________________

Game Note: Any other night actions were cancelled due to the circumstances of Seireikhaan's and Shlin28's death. No one slept at all for the rest of the night, and everyone sat in the same room with their weapons drawn, until the merciful sun came up.

Players remaining: 3

Yoyoma1910
GeneralHankerchief
TevashSzat

Begin the Final Day.

The remaining members of the crew would now experience the golden rule.

seireikhaan

01-12-2009, 11:29

:laugh4:

GeneralHankerchief

01-12-2009, 15:07

Wow, and I was all set to vote for khaan too.

I'll look at this later today, along with Ephesus.

Yoyoma1910

01-12-2009, 18:29

The remaining members of the crew would now experience the golden rule.

Vote:No Lynch

Thermal

01-12-2009, 18:32

HAHHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh4: :laugh4:

carry on :bow: !

Yoyoma1910

01-12-2009, 18:36

I believe Pizza is likely asking former players to come and post laughter on this thread to try and create a sense of paranoia amongst ourselves.

Hmmm.

Quintus.JC

01-12-2009, 18:39

Eagarly anticipating...

Yoyoma1910

01-12-2009, 18:58

Alright. I'm not sure what anyone's role is, or the game dynamic.

But I have a theory that the only way for us to win this game is if we do not lynch or kill each other at this point.

What's the use of having a tanker full of gold if there is none to help you pilot it, or help you move it in a way which won't get you caught?

I haven't been a part of any night action thus far, and from the write up, I don't think Woad actually was either. I think that was a bluff on his part. I'm pretty sure the syringe was 'Khaan the quack, and not polonium.

And unlike what Woad also said, I had voted for 'Khaan two rounds ago, when no one else would.

Maybe one of you are the killers, I don't know?

I want to win this, but I don't see how we can, if we're just going to go and kill each other off.

The Golden Rule is:

Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

Louis 7 Fingers, aka. moi, is going to follow that rule.

Thermal

01-12-2009, 19:05

I believe Pizza is likely asking former players to come and post laughter on this thread to try and create a sense of paranoia amongst ourselves.

Hmmm.

nopetuodhhtgy :bow:

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 19:14

nope

Shhh.

And that goes for the rest of you. If you're not an active player, do not post.

TevashSzat

01-12-2009, 21:03

Wow, I didn't see that coming.

Alright. I'm not sure what anyone's role is, or the game dynamic.

But I have a theory that the only way for us to win this game is if we do not lynch or kill each other at this point.

Okay, the game hasn't ended yet because there is still probably someone scummy within us.

Lets say we don't lynch someone and said scum kills one of us off. Then, its just down to 2 people and the scum wins automatically.

You, of course, probably knew that and that it is the sure way to have us lose. Now why would an innocent man want us to lose? Vote:Yoyoma

What's the use of having a tanker full of gold if there is none to help you pilot it, or help you move it in a way which won't get you caught?

Whats the use of a tanker full of gold if you are dead already?

I want to win this, but I don't see how we can, if we're just going to go and kill each other off.

The Golden Rule is:

Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.

Again, that is the one way for us to lose: don't lynch the scummy one left today.

As for the Golden Rule, I would perfectly love for everyone to not die, yet the traitors/FBI agents/whatever secret roles there may be still keeps on trying to kill us.

They're trying to kill us so they would like the same for us to do to them, which is lynching

Askthepizzaguy

01-12-2009, 23:07

Sorry, I must go, and was hoping everything would be done by now. You all had a chance to post, it's your own fault day isnt over yet!

:laugh2:

Be nice and follow the rules until I get back. :charge: I want to not miss the next Scourge vote, so perhaps less than 48 hours from now?

GeneralHankerchief

01-13-2009, 00:35

Well, we are now at the cusp point.

Since there are three of us, the timing of the votes is now important. As things stand, I am currently the swing vote, with Yoyoma and Tevash both having already voted. However, it's not that simple since they did not vote for each other.

Yoyoma has voted no lynch, citing the classic Golden Rule in the writeup. Tevash, calling this strategy flawed, has voted Yoyoma. Now, Yoyoma may or may not change his vote, but in the meantime I am operating under the assumption that it stays on no lynch.

- If I vote for Yoyoma, he's all but gone. If we made the right choice, yay. If not... game over.
- If I vote for no lynch, that buys us more time, but maybe not. Depending on how ATPG works things, the town may handicap itself and fall victim to the mafia. OTOH, if Yoyoma's hunch is right, abiding by "the Golden Rule" could win us the game.
- If I vote for Tevash, then either we have a wacky three-way tie (in which case No Lynch might still win out) or Yoyoma shifts his vote and Tevash is lynched. Then, the possibilities of Scenario #1 are invoked.

I'm not sure if voting No Lynch is wise at this stage, everything in me screams that it's not. However, ATPG's final line seems extraordinarily significant. In the meantime, I also need to go back and check up on the overall behavior of Tevash and Yoyoma.

Considering we still have plenty of time, I'm going to withhold my vote for now. Today I concentrated on Ephesus. Tomorrow it will be on this game.

Yoyoma1910

01-13-2009, 00:35

Honestly, TevashSzat, I think you're the mafia. I've thought that you might be a member of that group for awhile.

But I don't think you can win this.

I don't think anyone will win it if we try to kill each other. I believe what will likely happen if we try to kill each other is that the write up tomorrow will have us all dead, and the navy finding a ship full of gold floating in the ocean with no one manning it.

I believe the only way to win this, for us, is if none of us kill each other. It will take some trust, but I think it's the only way any of us will win.

Read the write ups from yesterday and last night. Look at how 'Khaan became a sick psychopath, look at how Woad was seeking redemption.

We need to lay down our guns, and do this together, mafia and town. I really believe it's the only way any of us are going to win.

I really believe this is the only way.

TevashSzat

01-13-2009, 02:49

I'm not sure if voting No Lynch is wise at this stage, everything in me screams that it's not. However, ATPG's final line seems extraordinarily significant. In the meantime, I also need to go back and check up on the overall behavior of Tevash and Yoyoma.

I do agree that the golden rule seems somewhat significant. However, I do not believe ATPG would pull such a joke, but then who knows....

Honestly, TevashSzat, I think you're the mafia. I've thought that you might be a member of that group for awhile.

With what evidence?

We need to lay down our guns, and do this together, mafia and town. I really believe it's the only way any of us are going to win.

I really believe this is the only way.

I am still not convinced, but like GH, I will think about it later and may change my vote.

@ATPG

I would appreciate it if you didn't end the day after GH votes tomorow until I get on and finalize my decision, which should be around 15:00 Eastern Time for me.

Yoyoma1910

01-13-2009, 20:49

Why do I think you're the mafia, and not General Handkerchief?

1) The way you're playing.
2) You were never attacked.
3) You're the only person specifically named in a night writeup who wasn't the attacked or attacker.
(And in a writeup involving an attack on someone who was later shown to be a psychopath.)
4) Pizza likes to make boss men mafia members for some reason.

Night Eight

Beefy left his cabin that night with murderous intent. He headed for the surgeon's room, with the idea of slicing the man to pieces with his long, sharp sword. He deftly slipped in through the narrow port hole, and listened to his victim sleep. He silently moved across the room.

Seireikhaan began firing his weapon, and the startled Beefy dropped his weapon.

The noise woke all the other members of the crew. Everyone rushed to Seireikhaan's cabin, and he moved to unlock the door.

"Now, mister 'communications expert', let's see if you can communicate to the crew exactly what the hell you were doing in my room trying to kill me?"

"What happened?" Asked TevashSzat.

"This wretched little rat snuck into my room through the open porthole, and did not see in the darkness that I was still awake. A sword is no match for a gun, my silent little assassin." said Seireikhaan.

Beefy just hung his head in defeat. "I can explain, if you just give me the chance"

"Sure, explain away. Seems we're taking another trip outside into the fresh air today..."

TevashSzat

01-13-2009, 20:54

I can assure you, yoyoma that I am indeed not mafia.

Personally, I have no clue what ATPG mentioned me sometimes, but I suppose as the leader of our little gang, I would most likely have a greater presence in activities than other people.

Anyways, just to humor you, I have decided to Unvote, Vote: No Lynch just to see what would happen.

Yoyoma1910

01-13-2009, 21:01

Perhaps we should all the declare a truce... or stalemate.

boudica

01-13-2009, 22:32

THis is actually really good :laugh4:

Thermal

01-14-2009, 00:09

:laugh4:

Beefy187

01-14-2009, 01:11

Care to fill me in? Whats everyone laughing at? :smash:

ULC

01-14-2009, 01:19

Care to fill me in? Whats everyone laughing at? :smash:

Don't worry beefy, you'll luagh as hard as the rest of us when this game is done :laugh4:

Beefy187

01-14-2009, 01:27

Don't worry beefy, you'll luagh as hard as the rest of us when this game is done :laugh4:

Hmm I can think ... actually ill respect the survivors by keeping my mouth shut

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 01:28

Hmm I can think ... actually ill respect the survivors by keeping my mouth shut

Thank you :bow:

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 01:37

All right, I've made my decision.

Right up until now it's been my head vs. my gut. My gut has been saying to vote for no lynch and see what happens. My head has been telling me that this is folly and that there will continue to be night killings.

If we vote no lynch and there is a night killing, that's game over. Because it will be 1-1, thus automatically favoring the mafia. On the other hand, Yoyoma could be right, but the more I think of ATPG's clue, I doubt it. Instead, I believe it's something more along the lines of "going full circle", considering the very same statement was said at the end of his initial story.

I believe that if we vote no lynch, we are walking into a trap. My head has won out over my gut.

Vote: Yoyoma

Yoyoma1910

01-14-2009, 01:50

Not a fan of the truce or stalemate options, Hmm, General?

If you lynch me, it will already be 1 vs. 1. So what's the difference?

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 01:51

The difference is that you might be mafia. It could be 1-1, but it could also be 2-0. We don't get this chance (IMHO) with no lynch.

Yoyoma1910

01-14-2009, 02:25

Or we could all declare the game stalemate.

The main goal of all parties, I assume is to have the gold. All the mafia would have to do is be willing to accept his fair share.

If you're going to be selfish about it, you wouldn't have anything.

We've defeated the FBI. How is one, maybe two people, going to actually be able to do anything with that much gold? And on a ship they wouldn't know how to pilot?

If you recall, we've already heard in a write up they might be sending the navy after us.

I just don't see how this is going to be winnable if we all kill each other at this point.

But good luck to you if feel otherwise.

All Louis 7 Fingers ever wanted out of this was three gold fingers.

...

I do have one question for you though, General Handkerchief, it has to do with something you mentioned earlier, brought up by Shlin, that was then kind of brushed over:

How'd you come to this idea?

- Judging by the failure of three separate kill attempts, there are probably too many people still to kill successfully. The baddies are lucky that none of them got caught.

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 02:26

Answered that already, let me see if I can find it.

Yoyoma1910

01-14-2009, 02:27

You said you inferred it, I believe.

GeneralHankerchief

01-14-2009, 02:30

Yeah, here we go:

He didn't. I was making an inference based on the reason he stated for why early kill attempts would fail.

Yoyoma1910

01-14-2009, 02:50

Pretty :daisy: good inference there, General.

You should take that to the tracks, and play the ponies.

TevashSzat

01-14-2009, 02:52

Chaotix

01-14-2009, 03:10

:laugh4:

Sorry, that move was just a little predictable there, Tevash.

ULC

01-14-2009, 03:25

*Pops a Champagne bottle, looks at the living players* Oh no, this isn't for you, you don't get any. Cheers for the grateful and ever joyful dead!

Yoyoma1910

01-14-2009, 03:29

Good luck gentlemen.

Peace out.

At least my grave shall be the sea instead of this giant steel coffin.

Yoyoma1910

01-14-2009, 03:42

To make it absolute:

unvote:no lynch
Vote :Yoyoma

I only play these games to play them. What you consider victory really means little to me. I like to try to game systems, and figure out the sides of the box.

If I cannot see if my theory is correct, then I care little to continue playing.

You two are likely playing to "win," so I suppose one of you deserves to do so.

Again, good luck. Congratulations, whichever side gets it.

Beefy187

01-14-2009, 04:15

*Pops a Champagne bottle, looks at the living players* Oh no, this isn't for you, you don't get any. Cheers for the grateful and ever joyful dead!

Bottle of Brandy for me. Cheers!

Thermal

01-14-2009, 23:30

how yoyoma jests! :laugh4:

White_eyes:D

01-15-2009, 03:31

:laugh4::laugh4:

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 04:11

Looks like Yoyoma is lynched. Tevash wanted to talk to me about something, but unless it's something rather significant, the vote stands.

Time is up.

GeneralHankerchief

01-15-2009, 04:13

Well, here we go... :anxious:

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 04:29

Well, I gave Tevash a pm and nudged him in a different game. I'm going ahead with the writeups.

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 04:55

Final Day

Yoyoma sat as the sun came up, eyeing the other two surviving crewmen. The suspense was killing him. Finally he spoke:

"This is pointless. Don't you see this is getting us nowhere? We are all rich beyond our wildest dreams. Can't we just split the pot and go our separate ways?""

GeneralHankerchief looked up. "If there weren't murders every night, I might see the point. But as it is, I can't fall asleep knowing the murderer or murderers are still on board."

TevashSzat concurred. "I think it's you, Yoyoma. This high-minded nobleness doesn't sit well with me. You're supposed to be a hardened criminal. Acting all noble doesn't fit with your personality. You're covering something up. My vote is on you."

GH agreed. "Mine too."

Yoyoma: "Well that's just peachy. I'll vote for myself too, just for the heck of it."

The other two stared in disbelief as Yoyoma stood up and pointed the gun at his head, and fired.

Final Night

GeneralHankerchief and TevashSzat looked at the fallen Yoyoma, and they each dropped their guns to prove they were innocent all along (relatively speaking, of course).

They both laughed in relief when they saw the other had dropped their weapon. They gave each other a big hug and celebrated their victory.

continued in a moment...

Beefy187

01-15-2009, 05:14

Eagerly waiting for the big finale

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 05:28

The Conclusion

Generalhankerchief invited TevashSzat outside for a victory celebration dinner which he offered to cook. They would drink wine and eat chicken and lamb and pork (as there was no more beefyz) and would tell stories of their glorious victory.

GeneralHankerchief grilled up the chicken and TevashSzat poured the wine and brought out wooden crates to use as a table. Tevash made sure the ship was still on course, and checked the remaining cabins to be sure there was no more surveillance equipment and to make sure all the weapons were accounted for.

GH and Tevash sat down and began to eat their final meal aboard the tanker filled with more gold than one person could ever possibly spend. They shared their opinion about who the real traitor was, and who the FBI agent was. They reached several possible conclusions, but weren't quite sure. In the end, all that mattered was their survival.

Their guns were safely out of reach, and they sat a comfortable distance away from one another. As the conversation wound down, they both seemed to relax. GH opened up his cell phone and made sure that the deal was still going down as planned in Egypt. They were about to enter the Mediterranean Sea, and it was smooth sailing from there.

Tevash began clearing the plates and walked by GeneralHankerchief on the way to the Galley. Suddenly, Tevash took the carving knife and made a swift downward slice towards the good General, who rolled out of the way just in time. He had his combat knife at the ready.

Tevash: "You're no mere computer engineer..."

GeneralHankerchief: "And you're not just the mastermind of our heist. You wanted the gold to yourself all along."

Tevash: "At last we understand each other!!! Die, comrade!"

GeneralHankerchief charged towards TevashSzat, knife at the ready, and swung the blade. Tevash countered with a defensive swipe, and the blades clashed. Several more slashes, and Tevash seemed to have the upper hand. He had the General in a corner, pinning him down, knife closing in on his throat. The General spat in his eye, and kneed him in the groin. Tevash was stunned momentarily, but refused to let go of his killing blade, and moved closer and closer. Another knee to the groin and Tevash winced and flipped backwards towards the guns. GeneralHankerchief flung his blade through the air, and it stuck Tevash in the shoulder. Hardly a killing blow, and Tevash seemed to almost shrug it off, as he grabbed the guns.

GeneralHankerchief dove into the tanker's interior and began to play a most dangerous game with Tevash, looking for the remaining weapons and laying the trap.

Tevash fired his guns as he stomped down the stairs to the lower decks. He stopped and listened for sounds of movement. There was a door slam down the corridor, and Tevash instinctively knew it was a trap. The General was far too clever to die so easily.

So Tevash moved to the cabin across the hall from the one where the door slammed. He readied his weapon and prepared to fire. Suddenly, the cabin door behind him opened and the General held Beefy's long assassin's blade in one hand and a wine glass in the other and caught Tevash by surprise. He flung the wine glass at Tevash's face, and temporarily blinded Tevash with the wine in front of him.

The General prepared the killing blow but Tevash ducked into woad's cabin, and flung the Bible at the General in retaliation. He only had a few bullets left, and wanted to make sure they counted. The General ran down the hall, and whipped the assassin's sword back in Tevash's direction, just as Tevash turned the corner and fired a spray of bullets.

GeneralHankerchief's face was torn to shreds, and he died instantly. Tevash laughed and laughed as he watched his final opponent die. When he looked down, he saw the sword embedded in his stomach... and the blood pouring onto the deck. He felt surprisingly little pain, and dropped to his knees.

"Why???" Tevash moaned.

Within minutes, he was dead as well. He lost consciousness and passed out, face down on the Bible.

______________________________

Epilogue

The Navy reached the tanker, which had crashed into the Spanish coast, and all of the gold was still on board, as well as a few dead bodies. The FBI agent assigned to this case arrived by helicopter.

He was debriefed by a Navy officer, and the salvage operation began.

"How did you know they would all kill each other?"

Askthepizzaguy: "I didn't know. When the surviellance equipment shorted out, I had no way of knowing what these guys would do. Some of them seemed determined to survive, and others were more determined to murder the others. We never would have reached them in time if they hadn't killed one another. They were in international waters, and reports indicated that Russian and Chinese fleets were about to intercept the tanker and escort it to Egypt."

"So, they were very close to escape?"

Askthepizzaguy: "Yes... they nearly won the game twice before. If they had stopped killing one another, we never would have gotten the gold back. In the end, it appears, one of them killed himself, as if he could not stand to see what was about to happen. The scene inside the tanker was quite horrifying."

"Anything else to add?"

Askthepizzaguy: "I'll be revealing my logs to your superiors when I get back to the United States. But for now, I have business to attend to."

The FBI agent from headquarters toured the tanker, and went in each room, looking for more evidence. He came to the cargo hold and observed the marvelous display of gold, the beautiful and cursed gold. He knew that this gold was harmless... but the desire... the greed... the lust for it... would be a killer.

That being said, he opened his suitcase and placed 10 gold bars inside it. He then left the tanker, with his retirement fund intact, and left the scene of the crime with a nearly undetectable smile on his face.

The End.

GeneralHankerchief

01-15-2009, 05:35

Of course. :laugh4:

First off, congrats to Yoyoma, who got it right.

Second of all, to everyone: Were you all assigned "traitor"?

woad&fangs

01-15-2009, 05:36

Yeah, I was a traitor.

After I died I kind of had a feeling that everyone was a traitor. There were just too many confirmed villains for it to be anything else and still be balanced.

edit: Great final story, ATPG. I especially loved the WIFOM bit. Also, I think that it's hilarious that in a game of logic and deduction it took until the final round before someone finally broke out Occam's razor.

Reenk Roink

01-15-2009, 05:45

Well, congrats to GH and Tevash for surviving longest. :bow: I had a strong feeling that there was more than one traitor the first time there were unsuccessful kills and by the time woad&fangs revealed, I was pretty sure about the all traitor scenario.

I sent my PM to Pizzaguy about "what he didn't tell us". Did any of you? :beam:

And you lot are impatient. I never once attempted a kill. :bow:

Oh, and of course, thanks to Pizzaguy for hosting such an interesting game, although I must admit, the fact that you hosted it made it more plausible that there was a twist. :2thumbsup:

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 05:51

Greetings.

This is your official Role communication. Do not quote this message or any other from me.

Your role is the Traitor. Your objective is to survive until the end of the game. If you do this, the gold will be yours.

If you read the opening story, you know that security is very tight on the tanker, and that any night actions will be difficult. For now, you do not even have the ability to murder safely. However, when the numbers of the Gang of 14 are reduced to an appropriate level, it will be far less risky to reveal yourself and gun down your rivals, and at such time you will be given the option to kill whomever you please with a high degree of accuracy.

Think carefully about your strategy. If you do choose to murder, you will be facing the cumulative defensive rating of the entire Gang, so it is not recommended at the moment. If you attempt to murder and it fails, you could be immediately detected by the Gang and lynched the next day. The odds of success increase as the Gang is reduced in size. When the chance of successfully murdering reaches 100%, I will inform you, and ask you whom you would like to murder. You can still choose to attempt at any time, but you will be risking your life.

Email me your murder selection at askthepizzaguy@yahoo.com, or PM me your selection.

You must send in your murder selection, if any, during the day phase.

Win conditions: "And they lived happily ever after"

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=...and_they_all_lived_happily_ever_after
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7UEvG5JqfAA.6pXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEydWEzNXBlBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y4NjFfNzY-/SIG=12pkigr1t/EXP=1232080260/**http%3a//www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php%3ftitle=Appeal_to_Probability

Not sure if link works, Mafiascum is blocked by my firewall for some reason. But before it was...

Two consecutive No Lynches followed by two consecutive No Murders meant the result was a stalemate, or "they lived happily ever after". In this game, that result would be slightly different, that everyone wins the game, even the dead people, and the host loses this game. If at the end of the game, the 3 remaining players No Lynched but two people were murdered, the final player would have gotten a partial victory, shared with the host. The host wins if everyone dies.

The host's (FBI agent) role was to make this unusual game as fair as possible. Remember back to when I began talking about the game, if you can, and I suggested it was a unique game. It was indeed, and I don't fault anyone for the result. You all have a great effort, and several of you came close to the answer, and will be mentioned.

I gave many hints along the way. The name of the game was the Golden Rule, a dead giveaway in retrospect, but a double entendre which escaped detection for a while. Your role PM's gave everything away, more or less, highlighted in blue. But that wasn't enough, I needed you guys to have real clues.

The FBI agent's reports were all clues, most of my posts were clues, my insistence that no one talk after they were dead, my explicit direction to read everything I said as having a double meaning, and the final writeups which proved many traitors and eliminated the FBI agent's logs. Then the lynch before yoyoma's on the final day, which was woad's unusual Bible passage. Then I hammered the final clue into your brains in bold.

The remaining members of the crew would now experience the golden rule.

Yoyoma deduced the reasons for this, just in time, but couldn't convince the others. GeneralHankerchief suspected as much as well, and Tevash gave subtle indications he knew something was wrong, but still targeted GH, as GH targeted him.

YLC gave a brilliant effort to figure it out after he was dead, but unfortunately he picked a different answer. Two people figured out each half of the puzzle and get special mention. Step forward please... who claimed that everyone was a Traitor but did not guess the FBI agent, and the person who figured out the FBI agent was me, but not the rest.

Yoyoma and those two others will get the award as a consolation prize, an honourable mention. You nearly had it, all! Yoyoma figured it out, and deserves top recognition.

I did my best to make the game fair, even considering the highly unusual circumstances. I hope you all enjoyed the game, had fun, and won't hate me for what seems to be a cruel joke on the surface, but was actually a winnable game, and a fair game, according to everyone I have interviewed post-mortem.

Tell me what you think.

I did my best to avoid this, but... I must award the game to
myself.

Game winner: Askthepizzaguy

Best Player Award, Solved the case: Yoyoma1910

Honourable mentions: Chaotix27 for figuring out everyone was a traitor. And who figured out I was the FBI agent? I forgot.

:balloon: for me

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 05:57

I'd like to remind everyone at this time, that if you go back to the very beginning and read everyone's posts, keeping in mind they are completely and totally full of BS from start to finish, you will get a laugh.

In this game, everyone lied to everyone else, including the host (lie of omission). Although, even after all this, I was the most truthful out of all of you.

This entire game is nothing but lies and false pretense of deduction to hide your true roles. Everyone was evil.

Beefy187

01-15-2009, 05:59

Ofcause :sweatdrop:

I guess I am responsible for "OMGosh FBI!! OMGosh Lynch lynch!!" :shame:

Kudos to Yoyoma and..

Pizzaguy :whip:

Good game lads. We learned a lesson.. Never trust ATPG.

Thanks for hosting... Heh I bet you cant read this!! Heh.. Heh!!

ULC

01-15-2009, 06:06

Nuts, now I must host mine, and it will compare in comparison. Good job ATPG, I need to listen to the little voice in my a bit more often, just like GH should have :bow:

GeneralHankerchief

01-15-2009, 06:22

I had a blast. And even though I didn't figure out we were all traitors (or if I did, subconsciously supressing that particular thought out of a desire to win it all), I still take solace in the fact that out of a bunch of greedy, lying, conniving... er... daisies... I still had what it took to make it to the Final Two! :laugh4:

I too didn't kill anybody until Tevash, perhaps only taking half of ATPG's role PM to heart. However, after ATPG and I had this PM exchange I thought I had the all-clear to finally light things up:

It is the final day. Kill success rate is now 100%.

Do you wish to confirm a target?

Yes, I would like to kill Yoyoma. Although if he is lynched, this naturally switches to Tevash.

Orders received. Congratulations on making it this far. All you have to do is survive this round.

Ah well, maybe next time. Great game, everybody, and thanks to ATPG for hosting! :medievalcheers:

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 06:24

Congratulations on making it this far. All you have to do is survive this round.

Even my PM was a clue.

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 06:26

It is the final day. Kill success rate is now 100%.

Do you wish to confirm a target?

I will target GH.

Technically, I will target whoever else survive this day. However, I suspect that if my effort to get yoyoma lynched fails, then I would be the one that got lynched

Orders received. Congratulations on making it this far. All you have to do is survive this round.

:bow:

I gave Tevash the same clue.

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 06:41

Percentage chance of a successful kill:

3 players remaining: 100%
4- 90%
5- 80%
6- 70%
7- 60%
8- 50%
9- 40%
10- 30%
11- 20%
12- 15%
13- 10%
14- 5%

Random.org, random integer 1-10, meet the number percentage or below for a successful roll. If the integer is above the percentage indicated by the number of players, the roll is a failure.

1 = 10%
10 = 100%

If a partial percentage, a coin flip determines the other 5%. Another roll determines if you got captured or not.

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 07:40

Yes! Finally!

Vote: ATPG

...oh, wait...um:sweatdrop:

How prophetic. Though the vote still wouldn't count in this case.

Yes. But then again, you're all a bunch of criminals anyway. Why should you be any different? :laugh2:

Some of my favorite hints.

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 09:06

See above post, too, for edits.

I have a feeling that Pizzaguy would give the traitors the ability to kill if we tried that strategy.

Also, I'll be gone most of today and tomorrow so don't be surprised if I don't respond to questions. Since I have to get a vote in I'll vote:TevashSzat because he is the mastermind and masterminds always try to off their underlings to get a bigger slice of the pie.(yes, horrible reasoning, but I don't have much to go off of right now.)

People I'm leaning towards being innocent...

YLC- I think the ex-marine role was the additional role and is therefor likely innocent(unless the mafia's cover role was assigned at random, in which case are discussion for the last page or two has been mostly useless)

Shlin- He's roleplaying. Roleplaying a violent exswatman is likely to raise a few eyebrows. not something that most mafioso would want to do.

I love reading this post. There are so many things which are juicy in retrospect.

It was delightful using the Freem Cannon at the end to annihilate the survivors. There are some wonderful things about being the host.

Now there are even more. (sorry, that was a cheap shot, I know...) :clown:

Guys, no one really have any solid evidence against anyone, except hunches that's likely to be wrong. I think we should avoid any lynches this round, we can afford it. If the mafia isn't going to cut down on our numbers then neither should we?

Indeed.

I have a gripe - technically, "abstain" means you have no preference as to who is lynched, and is more to indicate your continued particpation. There has always been a difference between that and "no lynch".

Anyways, Vote: White Eyes

Here, I was throwing everyone a bone by giving you a No Lynch round when yes, you probably would have gotten a dead player instead. I then changed the rules to prevent abstaining, so that this wouldn't happen again.

I thought you'd appreciate the freebie.

I encourage people, if they are going to be wishy-washy, to at least vote: No lynch so I know they've put in their two cents.

I thought you'd appreciate the encouragement.

I'm with khaan on this one. Here's a transcript of what will happen if we all decide to vote no lynch:

Round 4
Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: Nobody lynched, nobody killed. Begin round 5.

Round 5

Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: ...

~~~~~~~~~~

Now, this may just be me, but the differences in posting behavior between Persons A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, and L aren't enough for me to determine who is mafia.

I'm down with some people voting no lynch, but there needs to be some sort of dissent and discussion or otherwise the above will happen. Ultimately it's just another easy bandwagon for the mafia to hide in.

SO close.

I wonder if "824" corresponds somehow with the mafia's name... ATPG can't have put that there without a reason. Although I can't begin to guess at how to decode it, if it even means anything. :thinking:

I was born on August 24th.

This wasn't a clue, so much as an in-joke meant just for me. But yes, in the end, even this meant something. But you weren't meant to decode it.

I, too, am glad for everyone's contributions. The way things are going, we will reach a delightful conclusion.

Here I was just being a :smartass:

Day Four

Night Four-

The tanker sailed on... every cabin was locked tightly. They all survived until the next morning. But there was at least one person sweating profusely, possibly more.

Begin Day Five.

Still Alive:

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
Aries777777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
Beefy187
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

YLC broke the tie and made it a No Lynch day for the second time. A bold gambit, which would have worked in a very unexpected way had you done the same thing the following night and day.

Apologies for my absence, I've been doing stuff IRL.

Vote: GH

Until I catch up on the thread.

Non-townie characters who vote for themselves never cease to amuse me. :bow: Very ballsy use of WIFOM.

I know we're past the whole, whose job is what, and that might make them guilty phase, but I was just thinking...

We've lynched the guy that knows how to drive the boat, and now the guy who knows how to drive the truck.

Does anybody left know how to drive?

In Yoyoma we trust.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2097120&postcount=425

Check out the FBI report in this post. It revealed how to win the game.

"We cannot afford another day like yesterday."

Just a reminder to my little friend; don't forget to send in your murder selection during the day phase, if any.

(Maybe he forgot?)

I'm terrible. :smartass:

Vote: YLC

Because I dislike those who vote for themselves. Also, I get to follow a bandwagon. https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5050/emotbandwagonqr2.gif

Finally, I caution everybody not to just lynch someone because they're next on the list. Let's keep analyzing once one of these two (presumably) is gone.

-edit- Oh noes, I'm third on the bandwagon! ~:shock:

Didn't he just vote for himself a few quotes ago? Oh, the irony, oh, the WIFOM.

In fairness, I think you guys deserve a more direct hint.

Look over everything I've said to you with a critical eye. My tongue is forked like a serpent's.

Can't say I didn't try. The role PM was what I was mainly referring to, but anything else deserves just a little bit of closer scrutiny.

Problem with that hypothesis, YLC, is that it was (at least supposed to be~;p) in the lynch writeup. I have never heard of a host letting the mafia have influence of lynch writeups. So I don't think it was so much planted as just useless tripe with which the host wishes to confuse us.

I like how skeptical Seireikhaan is of everything. I admire skepticism.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2097848&postcount=469

Yoyoma strikes again.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2098761&postcount=476

Overflowing with clues.

Pizzaguy, how much input does the mafia get in writeups?

I write them myself, but someone had asked if they could suggest a method of murder.

Seireikhaan had suggested the method of murder. Cute, huh?

Over the years I've built up a strong immunity. All you have to do is stare at it for a very, very long time, and eventually, it becomes less exciting. The only problem with that is, you end up looking for more, and then it becomes an addictive obsession.

Uh... I mean...

I like women. Lots and lots of hot women. Oh, yes, women. Mmmm. So good. https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/DROOL.gif

No clues here. Nothing to see. Move along.

Have you played his other games WF? The man literally loves to kill the players in the most gory fashion as possible, even if there is no call for it. In his Simpson's game, Lisa was turned into a torso, in my Resident Evil game, he was always very descriptive in how he ate his victims as a zombie.

I'm not so bad when you get to know me.

Day Seven

The tally was over. YLC stood up, having 4 votes. He dropped his weapon and began confessing everything. "It seems obvious by now that you all know I was the traitor. I was plotting your demise all along, and I wanted all that gold for myself."

Everyone lifted their weapons and prepared to fire, but one of them lifted his hand. "I want to hear what he has to say." YLC continued. "It was I who planned to betray you all, and last night I finally did. But from what I hear, some of you tried to kill me as well. So even if the tally did not swing in my favor, I'm as good as doomed. Whatever did I do that gave it away?" Some of them murmured, but no one had a clear answer. "Do you guys mind if I have one last smoke?" No one objected.

They led him out to the deck of the ship, some guns pointed at him. One man offered him a cigarette and lit it for him. "Mmm... I am going to miss this stuff. So perhaps I should also confess that I tried to kill GeneralHankerchief last night and tried to make it appear as though the surgeon did it."

Seireikhaan breathed a small sigh of relief.

YLC continued. "Surely by now, some of you have come to realize that I am not the only one on board with murderous intentions. I wonder if my two attackers would like to come forward and confess?"

No one stepped forward.

"Hmm... so I guess it's not over yet. You guys still have some work to do. I'd personally love to know who tried to kill me, as they are the key to solving this mystery."

Some of the crew looked around to gauge the reactions of the others.

"I don't have anything else to add, but I want to thank you gentlemen, it's been a pleasure to work with you. I have no regrets. And, GeneralHankerchief?"

GeneralHankerchief looked at him curiously.

"I sooooo want you to die." YLC laughed. The good General lifted his automatic weapon and shot YLC in the stomach. He fell to his knees. GeneralHankerchief walked towards him slowly, and gave him a swift kick in the face, knocking him overboard. The ocean below turned blood red, and YLC tried to scream but could not breathe. A pair of jaws emerged from the water and bit down on YLC, and dragged him under the water, never to be seen or heard from again.

9 players remaining.

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Begin Night Seven.

I really delight in writing the writeups.

Night Seven

Everyone retired to their cabins that night, thinking about everything YLC had said before he died, authorized or not.

:whip:

Yoyoma had neglected to lock his cabin door, and was loudly snoring when someone entered. The man was crafty and agile, and unsheathed his weapon. Just as he was about to deliver the finishing blow, he heard a noise in the hallway. To avoid being detected, he gave Yoyoma a quick slash across his chest, causing him to bleed, and then he opened the cabin porthole and slipped through the narrow opening. Yoyoma woke up in pain to see his attacker leaving his room, and heard noises in the hall. He quickly got up and locked his door, clutching his chest.

He listened to someone sneaking quietly down the hall, towards Chaotix's room.

Over in that cabin, Chaotix was fast asleep. His attacker crept up on him, and grasped the side of his face, looking him in the eyes. Chaotix stirred and opened his eyes, and saw the face of his attacker. "Was it you all along?" he asked.

His attacker just shrugged and sliced his throat with a knife, leaving a large gash. His throat gash poured with blood, and Chaotix slowly choked to death, looking at his attacker with hatred in his eyes. His attacker wiped the blood on Chaotix's drab clothing, and picked up Chaotix's weapon, removed the ammo clip, and tossed the other weapon out the porthole.

His attacker came up and whispered "I just want you to know, Chaotix, this is nothing personal. It's just business. Besides, we had a good run, didn't we? There's always the next mafia game. Oh, and one last thing... I found some surveillance equipment, and I destroyed it. Seems the FBI will not be able to spy on me anymore. Just thought I'd let you know... you accountants like to keep track of things, don't you?"

Chaotix jumped out of his bed, with his throat gash pouring blood, and tried to strangle his attacker, but the criminal smashed him in the face with the butt of his weapon, knocking him to the floor. Chaotix was losing consciousness from the blood loss.

The attacker dropped to his knees and covered Chaotix's mouth and withdraw his blade again. "Sorry about that, I didn't mean to make this so messy. It will all be over soon."

As he cut the neck of Chaotix even deeper, all the way to the side, blood poured all over the floor. Chaotix became very dizzy and blacked out. But before he did, he heard one last thing.

"I took a huge risk tonight. We all take risks in this business; you did when you decided to play this most dangerous game. But if you learn anything from playing a game, is that you sometimes win, and you sometimes lose."

His attacker paused.

"I don't intend to lose."

Begin Day Eight

8 players remaining.

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Beefy did it.

yep. That's because I've had a pressing interest in staying alive. However, now that the FBI agent appears to be dead I might as well share my knowledge:wall:

You see...

Setting up our transactions wasn't the only thing I've been up to. Dmitry Medvedev offered me a substantial reward to kill the yankee pig-spy myself. So I bided my time, analyzing each and everyone of you until I found someone whose guilt I was convinced so thoroughly of that I decided to make my move. Yes! It was I who attempted to poison YLC with plutonium! :skull::skull::skull: Unfortunately, not only did I fail but it appears I was only half right. He was not the yankee pig-spy. Merely a common traitor. But now, with the apparent death of the FBI agent, I find it fruitful to reveal my ulterior motives.

ahem...

In short. I am a vigilante. I get a minor victory with a town win and a major victory if the town wins and I kill the FBI agent myself. YLC and Ares both seemed so scummy to me that I decided to kill whichever one was not lynched(I told ATPG this in the day phase). Unfortunately that 50% chance of failure decided to rear it's ugly head:wall:. I was the first attempt on YLC. The one with the syringe(which would have been filled with plutonium). I was the person who suggested a murder method to ATPG that night. With 2 kills beside my own occuring that night I decided to hold off on the kills until I was really sure I knew who the FBI agent was.

Anyways, he's dead now so I hope this info helps.:bow:

What kind of mafia game goes by without a false reveal?

Oh, revel in the delicious duplicity. Lies, lies, everywhere lies.

Oh, Shlin... poor, poor Shlin...

the idea is to not only listen to what I say, but try to figure out what else I am saying when I say it. This entire game is one giant double entendre.

You need to not only listen, but hear more than what you're hearing. Starting from the very beginning. I can't give you more clues, and this is about as far as I will go before... well...

:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :laugh2: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

See the one guy smiling? That's me.

Sledgehammering the clues now.

Day Eight-

Reenk Roink looked at the tally and realized he was done for. Reenk dropped his weapon too, remembering what had happened to those who had tried to shoot their way out.

"I surrender" he said. "I just want to have one last look at the beautiful sky before I die. And I also have things I must confess." The rest of the group led him out to the deck, where the sun was setting. "Anyone have some of that celebratory wine from when we managed to escape with the gold?" Someone left the group and Reenk continued to talk.

"I have to tell you, fellows, that I had designs on the gold myself. But I resisted the temptation. I was not responsible for any of the deaths aboard this ship, and never once did I try to kill any of you." The man returned with the chilled wine. Reenk began to drink as he stood and watched the sun set in the west. "I also have no idea if the FBI is aboard this ship. It seems to me, we would have noticed if there were such an infiltrator. But I had my suspicions, as the rest of you did."

Reenk took another sip. "One thing I do know... is that someone is playing you like a fiddle. I don't know who, or how... but I've seen the way you guys have been behaving of late and it's clear you're starting to panic. Just relax and it will come." Reenk took one final look at the sunset.

"You guys need to figure out who tried to kill YLC. I'm sure they have some explaining to do as well. I guess I am ready. One last thing... I'm not really a security guard. But I had my reasons for wanting to keep my identity a secret." Reenk downed the last of the wine, and smashed the glass against the deck. "All right you :daisy: coward!!! Why don't you have some cajones and shoot me first???"

The entire group hesitated.... waiting to see who would shoot first.

"Ha! I guess he doesn't have the grapes to come forward."

One of them stepped forward. "Enough of this... the vote is finished. We kill Reenk, as we agreed. On the count of three... one... two..."

Several people fired, but some did not. It all happened so fast. Reenk fell to the ground and bled slowly to death, laughing at the sick irony of it all.

Begin Night Eight

I encourage the other traitors to come clean and step forward. If any of you had publicly revealed your traitorous role PM (against all self-interest) the game would have been over. You would have realized you were all traitors.

...Right? :sweatdrop:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2102598&postcount=585

I really love doing the writeups. This game would be a very entertaining movie.

*Laughs Manically* This gets funnier by the second *continues laughing*

He's a cruel, sadistic man. Just like me.

*by Pizzaguy* :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: you....guys....:laugh4:...man too funny......

Most of you dead people have such bad manners. :clown:

Be nice to the live people. Then again, I'd laugh too. The laughs WERE attempts to make you paranoid. This was actually helpful, methinks it should have been anyway.

Day Nine

woad&fangs was sitting in his room when the next vote came around. He refused to attend. Everyone else had voted for him, as he suspected they would. He was actually more interested in the book he was reading.

A knock on the door... "Enter" said woad.

"The vote is almost unanimous. What say you?"

woad- "I believe it was Yoyoma. Not that you care what I have to say, you pack of rabid wolves."
"Right. Any final words?"

woad- "I will not plead for my life. Instead, I am seeking redemption. I beg the Lord forgiveness for my sins..."
"Yeah, yeah... whatever. Is that all?"

woad- "That's all."

The group raised their weapons and shot him to death. Afterwards, they inspected his room. Splattered everywhere were his remains, and little else. There was a cot, a desk, a lamp, a book open, and woad's weapon, which had not been fired after all these days. They looked at the book on the desk, and it was a Bible. A passage was highlighted.

And so the group left his cabin and went back to theirs.

Night Nine

The intruder entered Shlin28's room that night, with a rusty hatchet. He approached the sleeping Shlin, and stuck him with a needle. Shlin began to stir, looked into the eyes of his attacker, but quickly faded into a drug-induced stupor. He watched in groggy horror as the intruder buried the hatchet in his chest, and began carving out his beating heart. He cut the organ completely out of Shlin's chest and violently bit into it, voraciously devouring the still-beating meat. He ate and ate and soon, there was nothing left but a pool of blood. Shlin managed to make a soft utterance... he tried to plead for his life, but he could not form the words.

The attacker took a glass and began drinking the blood, and after drinking it all up, he spoke. "At long last, my Shlinny Shlinn Shlin, I have finally gained your rich and tasty courage."

But the noise of the attack had caused others to stir. One of the crew members fired his weapon into the air.

"There's an attack! There's an attack! Everyone come quickly!!!"

All the other crew members ran to Shlin's cabin and the first one in the room fired his weapon. Seireikhaan dropped to the ground, his face covered in blood. His legs were torn apart by the gunfire, but he was still conscious.

"Before we put you out of your misery, do you have anything to say?"

Seireikhaan: :mellow:

"I guess not. Good-bye... Seireikhaan!"

They all shot him to death.

___________________________

Game Note: Any other night actions were cancelled due to the circumstances of Seireikhaan's and Shlin28's death. No one slept at all for the rest of the night, and everyone sat in the same room with their weapons drawn, until the merciful sun came up.

Players remaining: 3

Yoyoma1910
GeneralHankerchief
TevashSzat

Begin the Final Day.

The remaining members of the crew would now experience the golden rule.

Seireikhaan, you never cease to amaze me. (He requested that he eat Shlin's heart and specifically say the tasty courage part. I take it this is an in-joke?)

Clue-ridden goodness.

:laugh4:

Another dead person laughs at the futile struggle. Hints from your dead comrades... I am far too generous as a host sometimes.

Vote:No Lynch

The brilliancy prize. This is clearly not in his self-interest according to his role PM. Even though the clue is obvious, following the clue's suggestion is not the obvious path. He chose the un-obvious path.

Bow before the master. :bow:

I believe Pizza is likely asking former players to come and post laughter on this thread to try and create a sense of paranoia amongst ourselves.

Hmmm.

He is so smart. He is so smart. S-M-R-T.

I mean S-M-A-R-T. :clown:

Very intuitive.

Eagarly anticipating...

Sorry to keep everyone waiting for 2 days. I wanted to give them one final chance to change their minds.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2105248&postcount=624

It bears repeating.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpost.php?p=2105597&postcount=630

It bears repeating.

I do agree that the golden rule seems somewhat significant. However, I do not believe ATPG would pull such a joke, but then who knows....

Tevash probably got the idea, here he's considering the possibility. But I think he wanted to win outright, not share the victory.

That was the prize you all sought, in the absence of real gold.

I can assure you, yoyoma that I am indeed not mafia.

Personally, I have no clue what ATPG mentioned me sometimes, but I suppose as the leader of our little gang, I would most likely have a greater presence in activities than other people.

Anyways, just to humor you, I have decided to Unvote, Vote: No Lynch just to see what would happen.

Tantalizingly close... sooooo close.... please please please...

Don't worry beefy, you'll luagh as hard as the rest of us when this game is done :laugh4:

Bad YLC. This is as good as a clue. I told peeps to stop posting. Grrr...

To make it absolute:

unvote:no lynch
Vote :Yoyoma

I only play these games to play them. What you consider victory really means little to me. I like to try to game systems, and figure out the sides of the box.

If I cannot see if my theory is correct, then I care little to continue playing.

You two are likely playing to "win," so I suppose one of you deserves to do so.

Again, good luck. Congratulations, whichever side gets it.

And he gets the prize for this way of thinking, which happened to be correct in this case. He was "traitor"/serialkiller/mafia whatever you guys were, and he was willing to settle with a stalemate. A very noble idea.

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If you have any questions, I will address them. Please feel free to have a post-game discussion now.

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For Yoyoma1910, and me.

ULC

01-15-2009, 09:26

I myself gave a few clues. One of my initial clues happened after White Eyes died. I specifically asked that ATPG post "In the Eternal Darkness of the night, there is a fine Line where you may find me." I even went so far as to help the town to solve it, but your quick and early dismissal of it meant I too did not wish to bring it back up for fear of being lynched.

The clue can be taken literally - In Eternal Darkness, their is a line by the main villain - "I am Your Lord and Conqueror!" My initials, YLC, match perfectly with this - in fact, YLC stands for YourLordandConqueror. This could have broken open the game, but alas, it was not to be.

Another post I made, about the champagne that was not for the living players, was a dead give away. The remaining players, after their vote upon Yoyoma, could no longer have victory (champagne). There was still time for you to pay attention to change your vote, but alas it twas not to be again.

All in all, yes I am a very spiteful dead townie, but I do in fact help you to try and spill clues out - you need but listen (least past the sarcasm and anger ~;p). Just because I laugh at you, does not mean I won't help - I am all to glad too, I just prefer to watch you squirm while I do.

TevashSzat

01-15-2009, 13:40

Great game ATPG

I suspected something was wrong from the night where there were 3 attempted murders. I even pmed ATPG a pretty long excerpt dictating what I was thinking, including that we may all be traitors. However, I doubted that was possible and merely thought that there were many special rules.

Alas, I would've stayed at no lynch had GH not voted, but I guess I just wanted to be certain that I would be one of the last people surviving.

Also, I have to say, this must be the longest small mafia game out there

Askthepizzaguy

01-15-2009, 13:51

Many thanks, TevashSzat and all who enjoyed the game and made it so successful!

Congratulations on being the last to die. If only you had waited a few seconds before turning that corner... patience is a virtue even I don't seem to have.

Yoyoma1910

01-15-2009, 15:53

Selfish fools! We could have won, all you had to do was be willing to share.

I was so close to even figuring out the whole deal! This is a PM which I send to Pizza around the 5th, and Pizza's later response.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
Let me guess: We have one FBI agent, and everyone else is a greedy Traitor.

Very nice.
That's a very good guess, but you'd still have to determine who the FBI agent is, and I can't confirm or deny either way.

If you're just playing a game to win, then you're not winning anything.

shlin28

01-15-2009, 17:38

Man... in my notes for this game I wrote:

Perhaps the traitor(s) are not a minority in the game, but is instead the majority, with a few smattering of "pro-town" roles between them (or maybe none! Just 13 traitors vs. 1 FBI) . Perhaps this could be the balance the host talked about, as 13 people all trying to be the last survivor gives a HUGE chance for the lone FBI to survive, especially if he has some uber abilities. That would explain the sudden flurry of failed kills... or maybe I am totally wrong and it could all be explained by vigs, SKs and protection abilities. - POSSIBLY FALSE

I have no idea why I wrote "possibly false" for this... :embarassed: Because of that, whenever I read my notes I just skipped over that part :sweatdrop:

Good ATPG game as usual :smash:

PS: Khaan, can you please tell me why you want to steal my courage by eating my heart? :sweatdrop:

boudica

01-15-2009, 18:09

Of course. :laugh4:

First off, congrats to Yoyoma, who got it right.

ditto. Well played all and well designed ATPG - made it a fun game to read

White_eyes:D

01-15-2009, 18:23

Yoyoma, my respect has grown for you:yes: *note* I also was close to getting the victory.....but Beefy and GH HAD to lynch me then......:whip::furious3:

Thermal

01-15-2009, 19:11

And who figured out I was the FBI agent? I forgot.

:balloon: for me

I DID GO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Love the idea of the host being the mafia :laugh4: Inspiration for my upcoming game me thinks, great as always ATPG :bow: enjoy your own made badge in your signature :laugh4:

p.s: how could u forget me ATPG? This just means i'll have to act more crazy to compensate

Thermal

01-15-2009, 19:13

Yoyoma1910

01-15-2009, 19:24

Also bravo yoyoma for thinking out of the box there, i noticed you hadn't spammed once in this game, are we seeing a more serious yoyoma, or is this just behavior to look out for whenever your mafia? :balloon2:

Be most careful with the snake who smiles... or is it does not smile.

:scorpio:

Since the other two had their last night orders up, I though I would post this as well:

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
Quote:

Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
It is the final day. Kill success rate is now 100%.

Do you wish to confirm a target?
Did this already pass?
Nope, it's the final day. You can make a choice now if you want.

Well... I perhaps shall. I guess it depends on the day's events.

I'd also like to say, for the record, I never lied.

I simply stated the truth in a less obvious manner, by saying that "I wasn't part of the night kills, and wasn't FBI."

Quintus.JC

01-15-2009, 20:00

Blimey! So nothing is what they appear to be.

This game has one of the most brilliant twist ever; the host being the mafia really is something out of the ordinary, I could see a new trend starting here. But assigning everyone as traitor was a stroke of genius, its really interesting to see how everyone behaves with themselves having mafia roles. This game deserves to be remembered for a long time to come.

Bravo ATPG, this game was superbly hosted. :applause:

Beefy187

01-16-2009, 01:14

I see whos getting my vote for the best gameroom host....

Definitely not you ATPG :smash:

Ok... Maybe you are

seireikhaan

01-16-2009, 01:17

FYI- the whole "rich and tasty courage" thing was a combination of inspiration from the earlier kill attempts by YLC as well as a quote from Futurama.

In the episode in which Bender and Fry sign up for the military to get the military discount, Earth declares war on a planet of bouncing balls. When being sent off, the Professor tells the two "Make sure to eat the heart of those you vanquish, to gain their courage! Yes... their rich and tasty courage... oh yes."*drools slightly

Chaotix

01-16-2009, 04:53

Hmph. Why do I always seem to miss the ending parties? :laugh4:

In any case, great game ATPG, and thanks for the honorable mention! I had a lot of fun in this one.

Askthepizzaguy

01-17-2009, 15:43

:bow: To everyone who had a good time, and thanks for not killing me when you found out the truth.

You all got a chance to be the evil bad guy, or if you preferred, choose the more honourable path. That's something you don't get to have in every game.

Beefy187

01-18-2009, 01:04

Did Ares send orders to frame Yoyoma before he died?

Thermal

01-18-2009, 01:19

Did Ares send orders to frame Yoyoma before he died?

no just a normal kill attempt :clown: