How do you pronounce "Pezhetairoi"

[Conan]

Hi all,

Even with the help of the unit saying "Pezhetairoi" I just can't seem to say the word correctly can some one cut the word up and post it how it should be pronounced.

Thanks

[Maion Maroneios]

According to the principles of Ancient Greek pronunciation, it would be something like "Pezetaíroi", with the 'e's sounding like the 'e' from "lemon" and the 'ai' and 'oi' like separately (as opposed to modern Greek). The tone is at the first 'i' from 'ai'. I also think you pronounce the 'h' between Pez and Etaíroi slightly. At least in the word Etaíroi you do (it takes a daseia in Ancient Greek, which is an indication for a slight 'h' pronunciation).

Maion

[abou]

Hi all,

Even with the help of the unit saying "Pezhetairoi" I just can't seem to say the word correctly can some one cut the word up and post it how it should be pronounced.

Thanks

The Attic Zeta had a z-d sound to it. Try this: pez-de-tai'-roi. Both Es are short as in pet, AI is pronounced like the English word eye, and OI is just like English oil. Place a stress accent on the penultimate syllable as indicated by the apostrophe.

The separation and slide in sounds that you mention, Maion, are not present here. You would see those in the event that the iota were written subscript or below the omicron.

[Maion Maroneios]

I see. I am no expert to this, I just stated my limited knowledge of Ancient Greek pronunciation on the matter. Thanks for the clarification and extra knowledge:thumbsup:

Maion

[abou]

I see. I am no expert to this, I just stated my limited knowledge of Ancient Greek pronunciation on the matter. Thanks for the clarification and extra knowledge:thumbsup:

MaionIt's what I and the rest of the team are here for.:beam:

[Tellos Athenaios]

Funny I was thaught that the Zeta was originally 'dzd' but evolved to 'dz' (as opposed to 'zd') ?
And I'd say a slight 'h' (aspiration) to the eta, by virtue of 'hetairoi'.

[abou]

Actually, it gets a bit tricky. Let me quote the passage in Mastronarde's Introduction to Attic Greek.


zeta ζ

like [zd] in English wisdom; a monograph (single symbol) representing a double-consonant group. From about 350 B.C.E. on, ζ came to be pronounced as a single fricative, [z] as in English doze or rose, and you will often hear it pronounced that way.

So with that info in mind, pe-ze-tai'-roi seems to be correct.

TA, do you see an aspiration mark at all in Greek texts? I'm sad to say that I don't have a very good Greek dictionary.

[Tellos Athenaios]

TA, do you see an aspiration mark at all in Greek texts? I'm sad to say that I don't have a very good Greek dictionary.

You can deduce by the fact that it's Pezos + Hetaros and see by: LSJ (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.04.0057%3Aentry%3D%2380278). :shrug:

If it weren't aspirated, common sense would have that particular diacritic replaced and a makron added. For interesting comparison see: these search results for "tairo" as substring (http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/resolveform?lookup=tairo&type=substring&lang=greek&searchText=&options=Sort+Results+Alphabetically&.submit=Submit&formentry=1&lang=greek).

[abou]

And there you have it, folks. Pe-zhe-tai'-roi it is then.

[gamegeek2]

Yeah, they're called "Foot Companions" in many other games. Pezos = Infantryman, Hetairos = companion (don't confuse with hetaires, the feminine form, which means courtesan. A different guest in the noble's house.)

[Maion Maroneios]

And I'd say a slight 'h' (aspiration) to the eta, by virtue of 'hetairoi'.
With the only difference that the 'e' from 'hetairoi' is an 'epsilon', not an 'eta'. The word in Greek is 'ΕΤΑΙΡΟΙ', not 'ΗΤΑΙΡΟΙ'.

EDIT. It seems I was correct then from the start... HAHAAAA!!! (Just kidding:tongue:)

Maion

[Tellos Athenaios]

Yeah you're right. Shouldn't be posting so late at night, actually.

[Maion Maroneios]

Shouldn't be posting so late at night, actually.
I feel you, believe me:smash:

Maion