Girls hate my muscles, GAH!!!!

[Incongruous]

I was told today by a good female friend, in a rather off hand manner that guys with large muscles are not at the top of a Girl's "to do list", they would rather do a skinny little weener instead. I was shocked, and at the same time, hurt, in the way only large muscular guys can feel, so I went to the boxing club and did some skipping.

Is this news to anyone else out there? I thought women loved good muscle development, clearly I was wrong.

What should I do? I love my squats!

[||Lz3||]

Yeh... I have many erm... lady-friends who dislike muscular guys... :shrug:

Not really news here =/

[Beefy187]

Yay

[Peasant Phill]

That's a bit of a generalisation, now is it.

As long as girls you're attrackted don't mind muscular guys, you don't have a problem. Besides, there's more to you than your godly physic, at least I hope so.

[LittleGrizzly]

Well theres plan a out the window... luckily i have a plan b

Girls still like money right ?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Some girls like skinny, some like really muscular, most like somewhere in between. Just look at most male leads...excluding the rock and arnold and such...

[LeftEyeNine]

I'd like to know which union that girl was the head of being able to represent, if not all, many girls.

Looking like an orc, yes, totally ugly to look at. But I assure you, there is no single female creature on the surface of the earth if you have a body like, say, Cristiano Ronaldo (http://justjared.buzznet.com/headlines/2006/07/cristiano-ronaldo-shirtless.jpg) 's. That's against the will of nature.

So she either meant the over muscular ones or that she's one that belongs to the exceptions.

[CountArach]

I must meet this woman.

[Maion Maroneios]

Well, I know gals like neither fat guys nor too skinny or too muscular guys. Just like us, I believe. Note that if you're ripped or at least have some muscle and/or abbs is certainly a plus. Of course, there are always the exceptions, meaning some gals might actually like too fat/skinny/muscular people.

Maion

[cmacq]

Right,

You've a good female friend? And, that's all there's to it, right.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Most of the above, additionally, a lot of girls don't like rock hard muscles because they're not nice/comforting to be held by.

Imagine being hugged by an actual rock.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

Most of the above, additionally, a lot of girls don't like rock hard muscles because they're not nice/comforting to be held by.

Imagine being hugged by an actual rock.

Yep. There is a certain level that is just too much. You can be strong and muscular and not be all that unbalanced.

[Hax]

I once hugged a guy in full plate armour, if that could compare.

..it's painful.

[Yoyoma1910]

You've got it all wrong!


If you want girls, you need to be that tortured artist type (tastefully done, of course).



You can still have your muscles, but that can't be your focus.

[Meneldil]

The only advantage of having a well developed body is that it allows you to have tatoos, of which most girls are found of.

That's why I'm actually going to the fitness room: to get some muscles, thus being able to get a few tatoos here and there. My parents will probably get mad, but I'll claim that I made a bet while drunk or something like that.

[Strike For The South]

They say that but don't mean it. Get bigger muscles.

This is a fallacy. I'll be back to console you.

[rasoforos]

Its plagiarized by sums it up well:

Why go for the six-pack when you can have a whole keg?


The myth about muscly men has collapsed. The world (and the chicks) belong to us, the abdominaly (not abominably) curvy!! Haaahahahaharghhh!!!

[seireikhaan]

Remember one thing- most girls will also claim that they want a nice guy, but we all know that's complete fallacy. So take her words with a bit more than a pinch of salt. I mean, taking the word of any female regarding relationships is sort of like a vegan pinko-hippy assuming they could convert SFTS to an all-tofu diet. Not only is the assumption untrue, its potentially dangerous.

[Husar]

The real trick here is not to want a girl.

[edyzmedieval]

The real trick here is not to want a girl.

And then suffer the consequences of being shunned by your peers and called homosexual. :dizzy2:
That's what I never get. If you say you don't want to have sex right now or go after that girl, you are called homosexual...

[Strike For The South]

Girls love muscles. They see those bodybuilders on TV and think "ewwww" When they don't realize that those bodybuilders look like that for two hours because they are so water and carb depleted.

In all reality Girls love a man who is as thick as a mac truck. They like to touch and feel. So for all that is SACRED AND HOLY don't stop lifting. Sooner or later that same girl will be feeling you up. Don't listen to the media or the mental midgets that tell you otherwise. Merely haters my friend.

[Drisos]

In male versions of the babe thread the guys are muscular as hell... So, it's pretty much obvious that lots of them are attracted to that. Maybe many girls would be intimidated or feel not good enough for those muscles in real life. (just guessing, because I don't have a clue)

I'm right now on the strategy of not wanting a girl and not worrying about muscles n stuff... And it feels freaking awesome. :beam:

[Meneldil]

Girls are attracted by manli(y?)ness and extravaganza. You do not have to have muscles to look or sound manly.

Most girls actually don't care about the physical appearance of men, or at least, they don't care as much as boys do. The behavior/spirit is much more important.

[Incongruous]

Well, I am no Christiano Ronaldo, when I say muscles, I mean muscles, not 0 percent body fat, weight machine muscles. I mean normal free weight muscles, they are not as pretty as that, plus I have the physique of a front row rugby player (prop actually)/heavy weight boxer.

But still, what the heck! I went around town today and I started noticing things, such as all the raelly hot chicks were going round with really skinny guys in in really skinny jeans, waah!

Its time to initiate operation diet like Bob Dylan.

[Thermal]

I was told today by a good female friend, in a rather off hand manner that guys with large muscles are not at the top of a Girl's "to do list", they would rather do a skinny little weener instead. I was shocked, and at the same time, hurt, in the way only large muscular guys can feel, so I went to the boxing club and did some skipping.

Is this news to anyone else out there? I thought women loved good muscle development, clearly I was wrong.

What should I do? I love my squats!
im a skinny runt and it dont do me any favours believe me, thats why i do heavy weights, muscular over boney any day, but not over the top, just well toned i.e no steroids lol

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Well, I am no Christiano Ronaldo, when I say muscles, I mean muscles, not 0 percent body fat, weight machine muscles. I mean normal free weight muscles, they are not as pretty as that, plus I have the physique of a front row rugby player (prop actually)/heavy weight boxer.

But still, what the heck! I went around town today and I started noticing things, such as all the raelly hot chicks were going round with really skinny guys in in really skinny jeans, waah!

Its time to initiate operation diet like Bob Dylan.

Have you though about swimming? That will slim you out without turning you into an actual rake.

The skinny guys thing is a bit of a fad, it will pass in a few years, in the meantime take a job that involves a uniform (not traffic warden! :beam:)

[King Jan III Sobieski]

Women are weird...

[Strike For The South]

im a skinny runt and it dont do me any favours believe me, thats why i do heavy weights, muscular over boney any day, but not over the top, just well toned i.e no steroids lol

When you say things like this God kills a kitten.

That is a very ignorant statement. Well toned is a fallacy and steroids are not some "magic" drug.

[Decker]

And then suffer the consequences of being shunned by your peers and called homosexual. :dizzy2:
That's what I never get. If you say you don't want to have sex right now or go after that girl, you are called homosexual...
That's what my friends said till they met my gf... they haven't said **** since :medievalcheers:


But still, what the heck! I went around town today and I started noticing things, such as all the raelly hot chicks were going round with really skinny guys in in really skinny jeans, waah!
Obviously they have nothing clinking around in their cranium. Just bide your time and you'll get one 10x better... at least in theory anyways :yes::sweatdrop:


As for the whole working out, being muscular, skinny, wearing girlyman pants. I find that just working out or doing what you do to stay in-shape, wear what you wear, ect... gets you what you want... so **** everyone else :2thumbsup:

[Incongruous]

Have you though about swimming? That will slim you out without turning you into an actual rake.

The skinny guys thing is a bit of a fad, it will pass in a few years, in the meantime take a job that involves a uniform (not traffic warden! :beam:)

Indeed I do swim! I have pool and all, yet to no avail, I was born to skip in a boxing gym and destroy opposing scrums (well thats what I think anyway:beam:)

I have also found that I am best suited to wearing smart bits of clothing such as suits and uniforms, thus my wish to open doors at the local hotel, ah the dreams...

[Husar]

And then suffer the consequences of being shunned by your peers and called homosexual. :dizzy2:
That's what I never get. If you say you don't want to have sex right now or go after that girl, you are called homosexual...

The problem there are the peers. Look for other peers or just ignore them.
Though it also got me enraged when I was younger and someone called me a homosexual. Not anymore though, nowadays I embrace it, bathe in it, hug the guy or something, if he is a homophobe he will be careful what he says next time, if not he will know you have a sense of humour. ~D

[Banquo's Ghost]

The problem there are the peers.

This is the truth.

To gorgeous women, it matters not what you look like if you have excessive money and a castle.

[KukriKhan]

... it matters not what you look like if you have excessive money and a castle.

I have a spare 10 bucks, and an alleged 1500's Irish castle:

https://jimcee.homestead.com/castle.jpg

Now, I await those phonecalls from Sophia Loren, Ann Margaret & Raquel Welch.

[Incongruous]

I have a spare 10 bucks, and an alleged 1500's Irish castle:

https://jimcee.homestead.com/castle.jpg

Now, I await those phonecalls from Sophia Loren, Ann Margaret & Raquel Welch.

Yay!:balloon2:

:laugh4:

I take it you are going for that "very, very antique look". talking about the castle of coarse...

[Sigurd]

I was told today by a good female friend, in a rather off hand manner that guys with large muscles are not at the top of a Girl's "to do list", they would rather do a skinny little weener instead. I was shocked, and at the same time, hurt, in the way only large muscular guys can feel, so I went to the boxing club and did some skipping.

Is this news to anyone else out there? I thought women loved good muscle development, clearly I was wrong.

What should I do? I love my squats!

Just wait until she ovulate, she might have a different opinion.

I am saying this because I distinctly remember there being a questionnaire about this very subject.
They tested x number of girls in uni with the question: do you prefer the masculine muscle man or the soft man. Depending on their menstruation cycle, they answered differently. The girls that were ovulating had the hots for the big guys, while those on the other end of the cycle wanted the soft caring man.

I was seriously into training when I was in high school and college and frankly, I can’t remember a time that I didn’t have a girl friend.
My wife is still complementing my torso and biceps, but not all the time though… I wonder … :thinking:

[Thermal]

When you say things like this God kills a kitten.

That is a very ignorant statement. Well toned is a fallacy and steroids are not some "magic" drug.

thats why i said NO steroids :shrug:

[Strike For The South]

thats why i said NO steroids :shrug:

The point is that it would take years for you to reach your potential before you needed drugs to enhance your physique or strength. People take steroids for a reason, it is a misunderstood subject and I'll leave it at that.

The common view of steroids is some guy in your local gym shooting up so he can have "TEH HOOGE GUNZ" is just flat out wrong.

[Ice]

The opposite happened to me. After about 6 months of weight lifting and losing about 5 pounds of body fat off my stomach, I had more girls flirting with me. I have no idea regarding your situation.

[Beefy187]

How tall are you Bopa?

[Spino]

I was told today by a good female friend, in a rather off hand manner that guys with large muscles are not at the top of a Girl's "to do list", they would rather do a skinny little weener instead. I was shocked, and at the same time, hurt, in the way only large muscular guys can feel, so I went to the boxing club and did some skipping.

Is this news to anyone else out there? I thought women loved good muscle development, clearly I was wrong.

What should I do? I love my squats!

Well that's good news for a skinny guy like me! I haven't worked out since I took a desk job back in 2000.

Bopa, come to the States. The women here are ridiculously shallow and go bananas over any dolt with a gym body (I am not implying you're a dolt, I'm just saying). Get a tan and get kitted out out in a nice outfit that highlights your physique then go to a club that plays that abominable noise they call hip-hop and you'll be on the receiving end of a booty grind or two in no time... if you like that sort of thing.

People in general prefer toned bodies over non-toned ones but culturally speaking I can't think of any country that places greater value on an action figure physique than the United States. Makes perfect sense considering the cultural animosity directed towards any meaningful expression of intellect.

[Strike For The South]

Well that's good news for a skinny guy like me! I haven't worked out since I took a desk job back in 2000.

Bopa, come to the States. The women here are ridiculously shallow and go bananas over any dolt with a gym body (I am not implying you're a dolt, I'm just saying). Get a tan and get kitted out out in a nice outfit that highlights your physique then go to a club that plays that abominable noise they call hip-hop and you'll be on the receiving end of a booty grind or two in no time... if you like that sort of thing.

People in general prefer toned bodies over non-toned ones but culturally speaking I can't think of any country that places greater value on an action figure physique than the United States. Makes perfect sense considering the cultural animosity directed towards any meaningful expression of intellect.

For the record. Those club guys who wear the affliction/tap out stuff are the bane of actual meatheads.

[Decker]

For the record. Those club guys who wear the affliction/tap out stuff are the bane of actual meatheads.

Seconded

[Maion Maroneios]

Seconded
Thirded:yes:

Maion

[KukriKhan]

Four- wait.

bane= n a person or thing that ruins or spoils


...who wear the affliction/tap out stuff are the bane of...

Maybe there's a new "bane", and I don't know what 'affliction/tap out stuff' is. Please explain to an old man.

Are we talking clothes, or attitude, or something else?

[Strike For The South]

Are we talking clothes, or attitude, or something else?

All three really. With the advent of MMA and the UFC these guys are infesting the club scenes which doesn't really pose a threat to me as the club is somewhere I go with a ladyfriend if I simply want to go out I will find somewhere to drink heavily. However these boys also walk into my gyms and that is very much my area.

They walk around with there chests all puffed out and act like they are carrying a watermelon each arm. They think they can take anyone because they did some presses and curls and even went to a few classes for muay thai or grappling or whatever.

What they fail to realize is that building serious muscle is hard work and learning how to fight is hard work. They are legends in there own 160lb minds. They roll 50 deep and all think there bros can take on anyone they come across. They think they are Gods gift to women and they deserve respect and in genral they show no respect.

In a nutshell they are merely boys in 16-24 yr old bodies whose egos are writing checks there mouth can't cash.

[Incongruous]

How tall are you Bopa?

This might be the sticking point, Im five foot and nine inches, thus my position in the front row of a scrum and my enthusiasim for boxing.

[Beefy187]

Here we go.. Inches:sweatdrop:

around 175 cm. Usual story is that if you start training up too early, you'll end up fairly short.
They say the girls likes her partners shoulder to be around her head height. Not that I got confirmation of this story :laugh4:

I envy you Bopa. I wish if I had a little more muscle

[LittleGrizzly]

This might be the sticking point, Im five foot and nine inches

Gah! the bane of my exsistance!

[Adrian II]

To gorgeous women, it matters not what you look like if you have excessive money and a castle.I have found that it's a big help if you actually have a life. It's a bit of a waste, really, to sit your castle burning money, beat your brains out in the gym or live in a cave whilst studying hormone cycles like Sigurd. Girls go for character, in other words. That's why the ugliest guys sometimes end up with the nicest girls.

Oh, and another thing. Weight lifters and other gym types are known to have, um, issues with lifting a certain bodily part... :juggle2::laugh4:

[Husar]

Oh, and another thing. Weight lifters and other gym types are known to have, um, issues with lifting a certain bodily part... :juggle2::laugh4:

Yeah, but luckily you just said girls go for character.

Although I have a certain suspicion that you actually meant something a bit different than just character because character is a somewhat broad term, the character you describe I do not have but nonetheless I'd say I have a character. :dizzy2:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Here we go.. Inches:sweatdrop:

around 175 cm. Usual story is that if you start training up too early, you'll end up fairly short.
They say the girls likes her partners shoulder to be around her head height. Not that I got confirmation of this story :laugh4:

I envy you Bopa. I wish if I had a little more muscle

I heard that about the hight thing, think about it though: If there's some 4-6 inches difference it makes the kissing and cuddling more ergonomic.

[LeftEyeNine]

I'm pretty sure that AdrianII referred to character as " the obvious distinction of attitudes, tastes and point of view from the others and the comfort of self-expression".

I'm truly ugly yet I attract attention of hotties once I find room to express myself.

Muscles help with first impressions. I'd not neglect them indeed.

[Incongruous]

I'm pretty sure that AdrianII referred to character as " the obvious distinction of attitudes, tastes and point of view from the others and the comfort of self-expression".

I'm truly ugly yet I attract attention of hotties once I find room to express myself.

Muscles help with first impressions. I'd not neglect them indeed.

I express myself by taking up space.

[SwordsMaster]

I express myself by taking up space.

Haha, just for the record, someone should siggy that.

As of the other stuff, it depends on the women. I generally find that women I wouldn't spend more than a night with go for muscles, shaved chests, tatoos on your ass, big cars, that sort of thing.

Now, as I drive a rental, refuse to shave anything below my neck, and weight a healthy 90kg with bodyfat around 20%, I just generally don't care.

Besides, as someone said before, girls go for manly. So just think of what would Clint Eastwood do in your situation, and do it, and you'll have no problems.

As of what women say, that was never a good indicator of anything. Every hear your ex say you're the most important thing in her life just days before breaking up with you? Exactly.

[LeftEyeNine]

I express myself by taking up space.

Well if your expectations with your partner are including but not limited to "does not have to be wise", then you're already one male archetype.

[Sigurd]

I have found that it's a big help if you actually have a life. It's a bit of a waste, really, to sit your castle burning money, beat your brains out in the gym or live in a cave whilst studying hormone cycles like Sigurd. Girls go for character, in other words. That's why the ugliest guys sometimes end up with the nicest girls.

Oh, and another thing. Weight lifters and other gym types are known to have, um, issues with lifting a certain bodily part... :juggle2::laugh4:
Just for the record... I do not live in a cave and study hormone cycles. I was just trying to cheer up the fellar. I happened to read it in some tabloid newspaper, but never followed up by checking documentation. I don't know if someone refuted it.

But I agree with the philosophy on the nicest girls wanting character. But the complaint was general, as in all girls hate muscle. This is erroneous and many of the muscular guys here will confirm this.

I am however outdated. My time were the 90'ies and back then you were never short of sweet admirers. If you could jump the highest, dunk a basket, lift the heaviest or run the fastest, you had instant popularity with the "popular" girls. In quotes because they were merely a pretty face with social skills.
I was the arm wrestling champion in my high school. I had the track record on 60m sprint and was the only one in my class that could dunk a basketball. The girls invited me out. Thinking back, I never asked a girl out during high school or college (gymnas).

My turning point came in the Navy. Somehow I built a character and the pretty faces was not intellectual stimulating.
Then I met my wife. What a woman. She had a pretty face and a brain.
I fell in love and it was a distant affair at first. She accepted a date proposal and we went out with friends.
She thought I was a jerk, acting my usual self. We had dinner and I was used to the officer boot camp way of eating. She told me later that she had never seen anyone finish their dinner faster.
I wrote her when I was stationed up north and she replied courteously. But there was no spark from her side.

A change of tactic had to be applied. I started sending her stuff anonymously. For valentines day, I sent her a poem that I calligraphed with a real inc pen. It was sonnet 18 by Shakespeare. I drove to a different suburb and posted it.
I joined a choir and became 1st tenor. I said yes to participate in a few operas and concerts. I once heard that she wanted to see Carmina Burana by Carl Off.
I was in the choir there and I told her that I could get tickets. She was a bit reluctant, but I said: I get discount as I am in the choir. She looked surprised and I got my hopes up again.
I later invited her to see Tosca and we had a good time with dinner and Opera. I ate normally and made sure to converse during the meal.
From the moment I first invited her out and till we became lovers, 5 years had passed.
It took FIVE years to get the love of my life, but her wakeup went fast. From the Burana concert and making joint future plans went within a few months.

My final point here is: She has later confided in me that she likes muscular men. She just needed one with a brain.

I was married before I asked her about the anonymous letters and poems.
When she realized it was me who had sent them ... well that is another story. :smartass2:

[LeftEyeNine]

Commitment to the right person never gets away unrewarded. What a sweet story that was, Sigurd :2thumbsup:

[Adrian II]

My final point here is: She has later confided in me that she likes muscular men. She just needed one with a brain.

I was married before I asked her about the anonymous letters and poems.
When she realized it was me who had sent them ... well that is another story. :smartass2:Wow, that is quite a story, Sigurd. Sorry if I sounded rather terse on the subject of hormones.

However my slight about the supposed sexual impotence of muscular gymnasts has a factual basis. I think this is not due to the muscle enhancing drugs that some of them take, even though some drugs are known to suppress sexual appatite. I think this is due to the low self-esteem that quite a few of them suffer from, which causes them to spend endless hours in the gym in the first place. So gymmania =/= impotence, but vanity, self-absorption and low self-esteem lead to both.

Women usually know or intuit this. However, if a man has muscle because of his job (construction, fire brigade, military) they tend do love it because it's 'real' (i.e. functional).

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Most guys start working out for sports and once you've started it becomes a habit like taking a shower everyday and brushing your teeth. You feel dirty if you don't take a shower and restless if you don't exercise.

[Strike For The South]

Wow, that is quite a story, Sigurd. Sorry if I sounded rather terse on the subject of hormones.

However my slight about the supposed sexual impotence of muscular gymnasts has a factual basis. I think this is not due to the muscle enhancing drugs that some of them take, even though some drugs are known to suppress sexual appatite. I think this is due to the low self-esteem that quite a few of them suffer from, which causes them to spend endless hours in the gym in the first place. So gymmania =/= impotence, but vanity, self-absorption and low self-esteem lead to both.

Women usually know or intuit this. However, if a man has muscle because of his job (construction, fire brigade, military) they tend do love it because it's 'real' (i.e. functional).

Factual Bias? O RLY? Your post is filled with myth and just flat out lies. Just because the stereotypical bodybuilder is shown in magazines and on TV doesn't mean its true.

Women know this? Not here.

Trust me, muscle built in the gym is very functional.

[ajaxfetish]

As I understand it, the physical trait in men most universally found attractive by women is height (the equivalent in women being waist-to-hip ratio). Of course physical traits aren't the only thing playing a role, and individual tastes will also vary. I'm glad I found someone who didn't need a macho man, since I definitely don't qualify.

Ajax

[Decker]

As they say... beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[BigTex]

That girl has had a bad expierence, lieing, or believes that muscular guys have nothing else to them but body's. The only problem is alot of women may find it intimidating, much like most guys are intimidated by beautiful women. Confidence, being good with words, and being as thick as a mac truck is still what most women want.

But then there's always the fringe of women who love skinny guys over the muscular. Found those when I was younger. There's women for every type, just need to be looking and not anti social.

Edit, and nothing can resist a good face.

[Husar]

As they say... beauty is in the eye of the beerholder.

Fixed it for you.

[LeftEyeNine]

It's vodka, not beer.

:smoking:

[PershsNhpios]

Ha ha ha ha! I should keep reading the Frontroom from time to time - just to see if any threads actually manage to become more shallow than this!

STFTS - I believe you have the right idea lad, you go back to the gym! Go get 'em!
But I think I will return to my humble office and continue with my Greek, before taking a strenuous, enjoyable ride out on my property. Perhaps on the journey I might meet a maid. Perhaps not. Was macht es schon?

[Megas Methuselah]

Just get a cool car. It always works.

And a pair of sunglasses! :cool:

[Moros]

I'll tell you about girls. It's not your looks what attracts them, it's wether they think they have a shot or not. Mostly they fell in love when they don't have a shot. And the only time they are interested in a relationship is when you aren't, the only time they're interested in mere sex you have a relationship. Women just are trouble in general.


But then again they do have boobs... Err anyway... I picked up girls when I was as skin as a hair and when I was into shape. (Not a bodybuilder though, but still at the more muscular side of the spectrum) In the end it's your character bankaccount that matters.

[Megas Methuselah]

But then again they do have boobs...

Yeah, we must always look on the bright side.

[a completely inoffensive name]

But then again they do have boobs...

This negates any complaint or bad thing about women. That's not just an opinion, that's a fact, from a book, and not the kind you see in fan fiction forums from those with way too much time on their hands, but an actual bookstore kind of book.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I'll tell you about girls. It's not your looks what attracts them, it's wether they think they have a shot or not. Mostly they fell in love when they don't have a shot. And the only time they are interested in a relationship is when you aren't, the only time they're interested in mere sex you have a relationship. Women just are trouble in general.

Couldn't be more true. I think you have to balance this a lot. I'm not saying you should be an ass to girls like many men are, but you can't be waiting hands and knees for them. For some reason they don't like a devoted guy (generalization of course).

Saddening I would say.

[Husar]

Couldn't be more true. I think you have to balance this a lot. I'm not saying you should be an ass to girls like many men are, but you can't be waiting hands and knees for them. For some reason they don't like a devoted guy (generalization of course).

Saddening I would say.

It's possibly true, but when I'm not devoted in a way I usually stay away from them as I do not really want them anyway. Having a relationship just for the sake of having one sounds even more saddening to me than having one with your PS3/computer. ~;)

[Alexanderofmacedon]

It's possibly true, but when I'm not devoted in a way I usually stay away from them as I do not really want them anyway. Having a relationship just for the sake of having one sounds even more saddening to me than having one with your PS3/computer. ~;)

I understand what you mean. There is no reason to love someone half-assed. I only think it is better to supress it at the beginning of a relationship so that you do not smother them. They have to chase a bit to feel happy (again, a generalization)

[Thermal]

I seriously envy anyone who is muscular, so thank yourself lucky :balloon2:

[Strike For The South]

I seriously envy anyone who is muscular, so thank yourself lucky :balloon2:

Anyone can be muscular. You realize this?

[LittleGrizzly]

Anyone can be muscular. You realize this?

Well there are several physical and mental disorders which could stop you being muscluar, even for people without such disorders things like a bad metabolism a lack of time and other things can get in the way. The majority of people with some work could be muscluar though...

and well were on the subject....

you offered someone the other day (thats right you STFS) to help them with thier diet and training and such, i believe you said something along the lines of wanting a student/apprentice type thing... well i recently got myself a bench but haven't started anything really yet... i probably need someone cheering/shouting me on to get my ass into gear... so you up for it ?

Ill post my diet, body type and anything else you need tomorrow....

Edit: if im hijacking the topic i will happily make a new one tommorow... ive have been looking for an excuse to have my name in a topic..

[Strike For The South]

Anyone can be muscular. You realize this?

Well there are several physical and mental disorders which could stop you being muscluar, even for people without such disorders things like a bad metabolism a lack of time and other things can get in the way. The majority of people with some work could be muscluar though...

and well were on the subject....

you offered someone the other day (thats right you STFS) to help them with thier diet and training and such, i believe you said something along the lines of wanting a student/apprentice type thing... well i recently got myself a bench but haven't started anything really yet... i probably need someone cheering/shouting me on to get my ass into gear... so you up for it ?

Ill post my diet, body type and anything else you need tomorrow....

Edit: if im hijacking the topic i will happily make a new one tommorow... ive have been looking for an excuse to have my name in a topic..

I'd be more than happy to.

[Thermal]

Anyone can be muscular. You realize this?

after much time im sure its possible, but its not an over night thing :balloon2:

[Strike For The South]

after much time im sure its possible, but its not an over night thing :balloon2:

Nothing that was worth anything ever came easy.

[LittleGrizzly]

I'd be more than happy to.

Great, thanks.

Ok, body type first, involves less typing, im 5"9.5 (yes that .5 matters!) 11 stone/154 pounds. Body shape best described as slightly skinny (possibly just under average) fairly defined/toned though... whats best described as an almost six pack... arms and legs have decent sized muscles (for my size at least)

Hmm, diet...

Don't usually eat breakfast, unless i didn't eat the previous day...

Main Meals:
Chicken Curry, home made with peppers onions and mushrooms
Pizza, usually with pepporoni and green and red peppers
Salmon and Noodles, with cheese melted on and a decent bit of garlic
Southern Fried Chicken, 2 pieces usually with 4 pieces of bread and a bit of ketchup
Beef burgers, as above, with melted cheese
Spaghetti Bolognese, peppers, onions, tomato, mushroom and a bit of cheese melted on
Tuna Bake, Tuna, Potato, crisps and some melted cheese
Sausages, Gravy, onions, potato and crisps

On an average day with that main meal ill have a few handfuls of grapes, an orange, a bowl or 2 of cereal (recently quite a sweet sugary one but sometimes shreddies) and averaged over the week probably a choclate bar and a pack of salt and vinegar crisps...

To drink ill usually have squash perhaps about 2-3 litres a day, probably drink about 2-4 litres of coke through the week and about a litre of banana milkshake, trying to drink more water starting today though!

I think thats about it... any other information you want ?

[seireikhaan]

Eat breakfast. You're depriving your body by not doing so.

[Thermal]

Nothing that was worth anything ever came easy.

how about winning the lottery? :clown: (not easy to win, but if you do win its easy, hmmmm, ill have to ponder on that one)

[Strike For The South]

I'd be more than happy to.

Great, thanks.

Ok, body type first, involves less typing, im 5"9.5 (yes that .5 matters!) 11 stone/154 pounds. Body shape best described as slightly skinny (possibly just under average) fairly defined/toned though... whats best described as an almost six pack... arms and legs have decent sized muscles (for my size at least)

Hmm, diet...

Don't usually eat breakfast, unless i didn't eat the previous day...

Main Meals:
Chicken Curry, home made with peppers onions and mushrooms
Pizza, usually with pepporoni and green and red peppers
Salmon and Noodles, with cheese melted on and a decent bit of garlic
Southern Fried Chicken, 2 pieces usually with 4 pieces of bread and a bit of ketchup
Beef burgers, as above, with melted cheese
Spaghetti Bolognese, peppers, onions, tomato, mushroom and a bit of cheese melted on
Tuna Bake, Tuna, Potato, crisps and some melted cheese
Sausages, Gravy, onions, potato and crisps

On an average day with that main meal ill have a few handfuls of grapes, an orange, a bowl or 2 of cereal (recently quite a sweet sugary one but sometimes shreddies) and averaged over the week probably a choclate bar and a pack of salt and vinegar crisps...

To drink ill usually have squash perhaps about 2-3 litres a day, probably drink about 2-4 litres of coke through the week and about a litre of banana milkshake, trying to drink more water starting today though!

I think thats about it... any other information you want ?

Alright. First lets start with what you gave me.

1. Eat Breakfast. You'll feel better and it will jump start your metabolism, not to mention it'll help you stave off the diabeetus.

2. At 5"9.5 you could stand another 70 lbs.

3. Diet could stand to be more varied.

Also, I need to know your goals. What do YOU want out of this? Short-term and long-term. Before I lay all the articles and motivational stuff out for you I need to know what it is you want.

I need to know what equipment you have.

[Alexanderofmacedon]

I would say that gaining weight doesn't necessarily mean you're gaining that much true strength. In general swimmers and bikers are extremely strong (in their respective areas...swimmers-arms, bikers-legs).

[Strike For The South]

You get strong by lifting heavy things, repeatedly. At 154 lbs LG could gain 50 lbs and look amazing while being very very very strong. Swimmers and the like can't hold a candle to strength athletes.

That is another thing I want to bring up. I know I'm probably coming as overbearing but this needs to be said. If you are going to weight train please go 100%. Mind you this is a sport, people don't understand that. Every time I train I act the same way I do when I used to play football. I clear my head focus, and make the weight my worst enemy.

People act like lifting weights is a hobby, "Oh I'm going to go lift" I hate the phrase. It's a dumb pet peeve but you have to realize if you truly want to change, you need to take this very seriously. I'm not calling you out by any means but just realize. If I could fly to the UK and yell in your ear I would but schooling and money problems prevent that.

Thats one of the reasons I blew up at AdrianII. He made reference to spending hours in the gym. That is one of the biggest myths out there. If I spend more than 1 hour in the gym I would give myself a heart attack.

[seireikhaan]

You get strong by lifting heavy things, repeatedly. At 154 lbs LG could gain 50 lbs and look amazing while being very very very strong. Swimmers and the like can't hold a candle to strength athletes.

That is another thing I want to bring up. I know I'm probably coming as overbearing but this needs to be said. If you are going to weight train please go 100%. Mind you this is a sport, people don't understand that. Every time I train I act the same way I do when I used to play football. I clear my head focus, and make the weight my worst enemy.

People act like lifting weights is a hobby, "Oh I'm going to go lift" I hate the phrase. It's a dumb pet peeve but you have to realize if you truly want to change, you need to take this very seriously. I'm not calling you out by any means but just realize. If I could fly to the UK and yell in your ear I would but schooling and money problems prevent that.

Thats one of the reasons I blew up at AdrianII. He made reference to spending hours in the gym. That is one of the biggest myths out there. If I spend more than 1 hour in the gym I would give myself a heart attack.
Well, although my reasoning is slightly different than Strike's, I agree with the result. There's no point in going to the gym if you're going to half-ass(if the mods wish to censor this, I understand) it. I'm amazed at all the people I see at the gym on a treadmill or a bike and they're going about 3 miles per hour. There's no point. You don't get results from slacking off. You only get from a workout what you put into it. If you want results, you WORK OUT. Go all out. Get trashed, doesn't matter if you're running on pure adrenaline by the end if it. That's the best part, in my opinion. There is no better feeling than coming inches from crashing into the brick wall of exhaustion only to catch the glorious thermal of adrenaline and SOARING. But, like Strike, if I tried that for over an hour and a half or so, I would probably come very close to collapsing, literally.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Never saw the point of working out to impress the ladies.

[Cute Wolf]

And read more books, girls hate fools...:laugh4: they like smarter people better...:laugh4:

[LittleGrizzly]

Rather than make a hash of describing the thing i found a picture!

http://www.trade-it.co.uk/category/for-sale-sports-equipment/region/w-uk-south-west-avon-bristol/ProPowerWieghtLiftingbench-3059499.html?impression=gallery_impression

there is also a leg attachment not shown in the picture

Apart from that bench i have, a bar you lift with both hands and a bar you lift with one...

and for weights i have...

6 x 5 kg weights
4 x 2.5 kg
6 x 1.25 kg

1. Eat Breakfast. You'll feel better and it will jump start your metabolism, not to mention it'll help you stave off the diabeetus.

Im usually not hungry but i will make the effort from now on...

3. Diet could stand to be more varied.

I could probably include a bit more of a variety of fruit, some other fish, umm... chips or french fries as you call them... is there specific food or am i just looking for a little more variety... i do have cucumber and tomato or cucumber and cheese sandwiches a few times a week as well...

Also, I need to know your goals. What do YOU want out of this? Short-term and long-term.

Hmm... good question... short term i think i want to get bigger muscles... long term i would want bigger muscles and more definition...

To be specific strength isn't my top goal, i guess its more to do with the looks, more for myself than other people, finally getting a six pack would be nice also... so bigger more defined muscles is the main emphasis... is this specific enough ?

[Strike For The South]

And read more books, girls hate fools...:laugh4: they like smarter people better...:laugh4:


Never saw the point of working out to impress the ladies.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: Women? You think this is about women? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: Just showing your ignorance.


Rather than make a hash of describing the thing i found a picture!

http://www.trade-it.co.uk/category/for-sale-sports-equipment/region/w-uk-south-west-avon-bristol/ProPowerWieghtLiftingbench-3059499.html?impression=gallery_impression

there is also a leg attachment not shown in the picture

Apart from that bench i have, a bar you lift with both hands and a bar you lift with one...

and for weights i have...

6 x 5 kg weights
4 x 2.5 kg
6 x 1.25 kg

1. Eat Breakfast. You'll feel better and it will jump start your metabolism, not to mention it'll help you stave off the diabeetus.

Im usually not hungry but i will make the effort from now on...

3. Diet could stand to be more varied.

I could probably include a bit more of a variety of fruit, some other fish, umm... chips or french fries as you call them... is there specific food or am i just looking for a little more variety... i do have cucumber and tomato or cucumber and cheese sandwiches a few times a week as well...

Also, I need to know your goals. What do YOU want out of this? Short-term and long-term.

Hmm... good question... short term i think i want to get bigger muscles... long term i would want bigger muscles and more definition...

To be specific strength isn't my top goal, i guess its more to do with the looks, more for myself than other people, finally getting a six pack would be nice also... so bigger more defined muscles is the main emphasis... is this specific enough ?

A bar you lift with two hands? Like an olympic bar? http://www.fitnessfactory.com/images/Item/134m.jpg

One hand? I don't follow. You mean like a dumbell?

Those wieghts are going to need to get heavier. Can you get heavier weights? Those may work for your first couple of chest workouts but deadlifts will be impossible. In total plus a 45lb olympic bar that is 140 lbs. Something that will be useless for the compound movements after you've started for a bit.

As for your bench it looks ok. I imagine you have nothing that resembles a power rack and no where to place the bar. I also imagine joining a gym is out of the question. The best leg exercise you can do is the Squat and it looks nigh impossible with the setup you have. But as of right now thats ok. Regrettable but we can work around it because we'll we have to.

Eat Breakfast. Force something down your throat.

Power foods. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance_nutrition/8_more_power_foods
Read the article. That is a great resource, it's where I get allot of info from. Also fish oil

Alright as long as you have goals. As of right now getting bigger muscles and getting stronger are pretty much one in the same for you. So you have the abstract goal now you need some short term ones.

"I benched X today in one month I want bench Y" Stuff like that.

Now for your routine.

This is the routine I first used and it is very good for beginners. Now mind this is just a template we can change things you can't or are unable to do. We can also shake things up if you feel like you can take on more or less

http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=314

This website will answer all questions about form

http://www.exrx.net/

Any questions just ask

[Thermal]

SFTS, i have similiar aims, and a similar diet to little grizzly. I have some new weights, at the moment there 1.5 KG (i have 2) (and there more than heavy enough for me) baring in mind i'm thin and not particularly strong. is 1.5KG an ok weight? or should i add more weights to them to really push myself, or could it do damage?

[Strike For The South]

SFTS, i have similiar aims, and a similar diet to little grizzly. I have some new weights, at the moment there 1.5 KG (i have 2) (and there more than heavy enough for me) baring in mind i'm thin and not particularly strong. is 1.5KG an ok weight? or should i add more weights to them to really push myself, or could it do damage?

On what exercise? 1.5 kilos is 4 lbs. Chances are you form is way off on whatever your doing. What does your rep scheme look like.

[Thermal]

Also, i lift them simultaneously in sets of 20, 4 times in 4 stances (320 lifts approx)

-I do the normal up and down weight lift building my arms up
-I do one where i lift the weight up and down from my waist to my shoulder, building chest i think
- Stance where i lift over head, from shoulder to air
- Stance where i push the weights from my waist outward
- sometimes i go on my exercise mat lying down and push the weights up from my chest to the air

Is this a good way to build up? my dad does weights in this way, so i figure it might help me.

[Strike For The South]

Also, i lift them simultaneously in sets of 20, 4 times in 4 stances (320 lifts approx)

-I do the normal up and down weight lift building my arms up
Curls
-I do one where i lift the weight up and down from my waist to my shoulder, building chest i think
Front Raises, They dont build chest the build your anterior deltoid (front shoulder)
- Stance where i lift over head, from shoulder to air
Military press, Anterior and lateral Deltoid (Front and side shoulder)
- Stance where i push the weights from my waist outward
I'm sorry I don't follow
- sometimes i go on my exercise mat lying down and push the weights up from my chest to the air
DB bench, Works chest
Is this a good way to build up? my dad does weights in this way, so i figure it might help me.

Honestly 1.5 kilos is not heavy on any of these lifts for a complete newbie (save MAYBE front raises for like a week )

No it's really not a good way to build up you have no back or leg work and don't hit the triceps very hard and mind you triceps are 2/3rds of the arm. Also 4x20 is a bit overkill and you really not doing anything for yourself either.

[Thermal]

:laugh4: heavier weights it is


also what things should i do for working on my legs?

[Ice]

:laugh4: heavier weights it is


also what things should i do for working on my legs?

As STFS would certainty agree, squats are you friend.

[Ice]

People act like lifting weights is a hobby, "Oh I'm going to go lift" I hate the phrase. It's a dumb pet peeve but you have to realize if you truly want to change, you need to take this very seriously. I'm not calling you out by any means but just realize. If I could fly to the UK and yell in your ear I would but schooling and money problems prevent that.


I consider it a hobby and find it quite enjoyable to do an hour weight lifting session after classes and work.

[a completely inoffensive name]

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: Women? You think this is about women? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4: Just showing your ignorance.

It was more like a non sequitur because I couldn't really care less about your advice and wanted this topic to be focused on something other then you and Grizzly.

[tibilicus]

:laugh4: heavier weights it is


also what things should i do for working on my legs?
Run, leg squats, lunges, there is a wide variety of exercises for the leg muscles. Just google a few.

Also you said you were lifting 1.5 kg for your upper body? That most likely wont build muscle as it wont be working them hard enough. Try 4 kg if your a beginner that should do the trick.

Then in no time if you stick at it you'll be curling 20's. :2thumbsup:

[Strike For The South]

It was more like a non sequitur because I couldn't really care less about your advice and wanted this topic to be focused on something other then you and Grizzly.

You made a statement and I replied. I apologize.

[a completely inoffensive name]

You made a statement and I replied. I apologize.

Nah It's ok. It's all good.

[Thermal]

Run, leg squats, lunges, there is a wide variety of exercises for the leg muscles. Just google a few.

Also you said you were lifting 1.5 kg for your upper body? That most likely wont build muscle as it wont be working them hard enough. Try 4 kg if your a beginner that should do the trick.

Then in no time if you stick at it you'll be curling 20's. :2thumbsup:

I'll hold as heavy as i can manage (which isn't much) :clown:

Also i just realized that i have a 1.5KG weight on each side of the weight (as all weights have 2 on each one) so that kinda equals 3kg in total, or was that obvious?

[Thermal]

Ok i've attached the next size up instead, from 1.5 kg per weight to 2.5 (as theres 2 weights on each thats 5kg per arm) Will it still be more effective even if i do less lifts than normal? (no way i can do about 320 lifts with almost double the original weight)

[Ice]

Ok i've attached the next size up instead, from 1.5 kg per weight to 2.5 (as theres 2 weights on each thats 5kg per arm) Will it still be more effective even if i do less lifts than normal? (no way i can do about 320 lifts with almost double the original weight)

From what I've been told, you should do 3 sets of 8-12 for every exercise. 320 lifts is way too many.

[Strike For The South]

From what I've been told, you should do 3 sets of 8-12 for every exercise. 320 lifts is way too many.

A bit basic but I'll allow it

[Alexanderofmacedon]

A bit basic but I'll allow it

I just work on push-ups and dips for triceps (because I have no machinery).

I'm kind of forced to do more sets because of this...

[LittleGrizzly]

A bar you lift with two hands? Like an olympic bar?

Yeah something like that, a barbell its called, can hold 50 kg....

One hand? I don't follow. You mean like a dumbell?

Yes! couldn't think of the name!

Those wieghts are going to need to get heavier. Can you get heavier weights?

Possibly, my friend mentioned something about his weights, if not i could probably get some equipment in March...

I imagine you have nothing that resembles a power rack and no where to place the bar.

Had to look up power rack... no... not sure what you mean about where to place the bar... as in somewhere to lift it from ?

Eat Breakfast. Force something down your throat.

Have been....

Ok thanks for all the articles appreciate it, i am planning on starting on Monday seen as i will have more time and be in better shape to begin it, probably a bad idea to start on weekend, then ill have loads of questions for you ~;)