Coach Fired For Running Up Score

[seireikhaan]

A high school girl's Basketball coach was fired (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/postedsports/archive/2009/01/26/coach-who-ran-up-score-in-100-0-high-school-game-fired.aspx) for running up the score one hundred to zero.


The coach of the girls basketball team at the Covenant School has been fired after recently winning a game by a score of 100-0.

Micah Grimes was dismissed by the school on Sunday, the same day he posted a public comment saying he would not apologize for the team’s lopsided win over Dallas Academy on January 13.Personally, I'm glad the guy was fired. Absolutely no class whatsoever. I realize you want your team to compete, but there needs to be a sense of honor in sports, particularly on the high school level.

EDIT: Even more disgraceful is that the losing school is primarily concerned with aiding students with learning disabilities. Second Link (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/012209dnsposhutout.40d72ee.html)


The game took place Jan. 13, on the road, against The Covenant School. Civello didn't expect his girls to win. He never really does. His girls haven't won a game in his four seasons at the White Rock Lake-area school, renowned for its work with students with a variety of learning problems. In most games, they haven't come close.

[Proletariat]

I had 5 large on the Dallas Academy getting 99 points. What bums!

:furious3::furious3::furious3:

[Strike For The South]

Women, playing sports? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::lau gh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

[Gregoshi]

Women, playing sports? :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::lau gh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Strike, shouldn't you be writting your song "It's Freezing Outside And I Ain't Got No Money For The IHOP All-You-Can-Eat Pancake Special Blues"?


~:confused: Is it "pick on SFTS" Day?

Yeah, I know, "Don't you have a stupid pun to post somewhere else?" <Gregoshi crawls back to his cell at the punitentiary> :laugh4:

[Strike For The South]

Strike, shouldn't you be writting your song "It's Freezing Outside And I Ain't Got No Money For The IHOP All-You-Can-Eat Pancake Special Blues"?


~:confused: Is it "pick on SFTS" Day?

Yeah, I know, "Don't you have a stupid pun to post somewhere else?" <Gregoshi crawls back to his cell at the punitentiary> :laugh4:

Hear the lonesome whiperwill
He sounds too blue to fly
The midnight train is whining low
Im so lonesome I could cry

Ive never seen a night so long
When time goes crawling by
The moon just went behind a cloud
To hide its face and cry

Did you ever see a robin weep
When leaves begin to die
That means hes lost the will to live
Im so lonesome I could cry

The silence of a falling star
Lights up a purple sky
And as I wonder where you are
Im so lonesome I could cry
:laugh4:

[CBR]

What was the winning team/coach supposed to do? A coach is fired because his team is too good, can't see the logic in that.


CBR

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Strike:

Been nice knowing you. Laughing at women immediately after a Proletariat post? Okay, 10 out of 10 for courage, but minus several million points for good thinking! :laugh4:

[Ronin]

this doesn´t make any sense.

if the idea is that the losing team couldn´t compete fairly....well...then they shouldn´t be competing in the first place....that is not the fault of the winning team's coach.

[Proletariat]

Wasn't there also a little league pitcher who was disallowed from his league because he was pitching too well?

edit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/26/little-league-pitcher-ban_n_121346.html

Here's the story. Apparently the other 9 year olds were scared of the 40 mph high heat. Sounds like there was some overzealous sports-parents politics involved.

[Strike For The South]

PC meida run amok I TELL YOU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

[LittleGrizzly]

Whats he supposed to do stop the game if one side keeps scoring or start not counting the winning teams points... ?

[Proletariat]

Ok, actually having read it now, I agree with every word of Khaan's. This guy was a total dick and it's really nothing like the little leaguer story.

[Hosakawa Tito]

Whats he supposed to do stop the game if one side keeps scoring or start not counting the winning teams points... ?

He could instruct his team to allow the shot clock to run out without his team taking a shot. Grinding an obviously over-matched opponent into the hardwood floor shows a lack of integrity, good sportsmanship, and class. He is unfit to be a teacher of children if that's his style.
The league should drop the Dallas Academy to a lower division to better match their skill level.

[Crazed Rabbit]

There's a difference between playing to win and beating the snot out of an inferior team when you have already won by a mile.

For example; I don't hate Pete Carroll despite the record beating his team laid on my college's team - because he put in his second and third string players and it was obvious that after a while he wasn't trying to get more points.

But this guy runs up the score on purpose against a partially disabled team and refuses to apologize.

CR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Eh, I've played on teams that never one a game and teams that won almost every game. When you win most games you hate to lose but when you always lose you really don't care. If I was on the team that lost 100-0 I could care less. I doubt it was the players that were embarrassed.

[Adrian II]

This guy was a total dickThat's funny, nowhere does it say that he is a private detective.. Anyway, I agree with the lady's sentiment that this gentlemen deserves a kick up his private eye.

[rasoforos]

What should he do? Ask them to play bad on purpose? Is that honourable?

The other team are playing to prove that despite their problems they are there to fight. They do not need pity. They need sympathy and encouragement. They are normal people.

How do you think they will feel if they are told that other teams are practically asked to play badly against them?

One day they might win or the might not. If they do it is 100% vital that they know they did it themselves and not because they other team played to lose.

[lenin96]

What should he do? Ask them to play bad on purpose? Is that honourable?

The other team are playing to prove that despite their problems they are there to fight. They do not need pity. They need sympathy and encouragement. They are normal people.

How do you think they will feel if they are told that other teams are practically asked to play badly against them?

One day they might win or the might not. If they do it is 100% vital that they know they did it themselves and not because they other team played to lose.

I completely agree.:2thumbsup:

[Husar]

I heard certain people don't like it when you go easy on them just because you are better since they feel degraded that way.
Then again some people are hypocrats and others can't set up a decent league...

Myself, I usually ended up in the girls' teams along with some other guys in highschool, well there are pros and cons about that and team sports aren't really my thing anyway, but I survived that and it's better to play on your level than just stand around while the pros play around, like i said, some people can't set up a decent league...

[HoreTore]

1. I will never, ever understand the nonsense of the US sports system for junior players... I honestly can't see why anyone would care so much about something so irrelevant.
2. I'm not sure what the case here.... What does "running up the score" mean? Cheating? Did he play himself, or what?

[Don Corleone]

There's a world of difference between playing to win and totally humiliating another team. Covenant had a 90-0 lead and was taking 3-pointers late in the game. Playing against handicapped opponents from Dallas Academy. Does that sound like sportsmanship?

I don't think anybody has a problem with the team winning, and handily at that. But there's a not so fine line between playing to win, and playing to rub somebody's nose in it. It's pretty clear that the Covenant team was doing the latter, and when the coach continues to defend his actions in that regard, even after the excitement has waned, the school has a right to replace him with somebody who better represents their values.

Don't they have the moral that there's more important things than winning in Europe?

[Tribesman]

Don't they have the moral that there's more important things than winning in Europe?

Well we had that special olympics come to Ireland a few years ago , and the moral with it is that everones a winner ...but the bookmakers don't accept that view .

[Kralizec]

What a jerk.

[Don Corleone]

Well we had that special olympics come to Ireland a few years ago , and the moral with it is that everones a winner ...but the bookmakers don't accept that view .

:laugh4:

[Vladimir]

Too bad. They shouldn't even be in the same league. What's the coach supposed to do? Tell his team not to shoot the ball? They were actually easy on them on the second half. After the first half they were up over 50 points.

[Don Corleone]

Screw 'em. They shouldn't even be in the same league. What's the coach supposed to do? Tell his team not to shoot the ball? They were actually easy on them on the second half. After the first half they were up over 50 points.

How is taking 3-pointers with 2 minutes left going easy on them? I may have misread the article, but weren't their starters playing at the end of the game?

[Vladimir]

How is taking 3-pointers with 2 minutes left going easy on them? I may have misread the article, but weren't their starters playing at the end of the game?

Because they're much harder to hit. What I'm really surprised at is that the lefties aren't criticizing the firing because it was the "Christian" thing to do.


“It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened,” the school said in its statement. “This clearly does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. The school and its representatives in no way support or condone the running up of a score against any team in any sport for any reason.”

I thought competitive sports were un-Christian in the first place!

[HoreTore]

There's a world of difference between playing to win and totally humiliating another team. Covenant had a 90-0 lead and was taking 3-pointers late in the game. Playing against handicapped opponents from Dallas Academy. Does that sound like sportsmanship?

Who cares about the score of some irrelevant junior match anyway? What's the difference between being beaten and getting trashed?

The way I see it, this is a win-win. The winning team got some good practice on controlling matches and keeping focus, while the losing team got to know just how bad they are. Add in the fact that the losing team was a bunch of cripples, and they also got to know how it feels to play someone who doesn't treat you special. Win-win-win.


Keep parents out of every sport.

EDIT: I have to admit, I haven't got a clue about barbarianball, but if this:


Because they're much harder to hit.

is true, then it's a good thing. When you've put the score beyond doubt, you can start doing the harder, trickier, magical stuff. Well played. Fire those idiots parents, give the coach and players a medal.

[Don Corleone]

Being neither His Holiness, Pope Benedict XVI nor the Reverend Rick Warren, I don't know if I'm qualified to speak for Christianity as a whole. But as a Christian who has spent no small amount of time reading the words of Jesus, I believe I can speak to my own views.

I don't see anything inherently unChristian about competition, in sports or in business. There is a difference however between being competitive and being exploitive. If you view business and sports as inherently exploitive, I suppose I understand your view, but what a limited view of human interaction you appear to have.

Mercy and compassion are not weaknesses, so long as they are moderated by logic and justice.

[Don Corleone]

Who cares about the score of some irrelevant junior match anyway? What's the difference between being beaten and getting trashed?

The way I see it, this is a win-win. The winning team got some good practice on controlling matches and keeping focus, while the losing team got to know just how bad they are. Add in the fact that the losing team was a bunch of cripples, and they also got to know how it feels to play someone who doesn't treat you special. Win-win-win.


Keep parents out of every sport.

Wow. Following your logic, having geeks at carnival sideshows is a good thing, as it offers the underpriveleged a means to earn an honest living, eh?

They said the Dallas Academy players were handicapped, not oblivious to reality. Do you think they didn't know that they were being degraded and laughed at? But it's okay, because at least they got a chance to spend some quality time with 'real kids'?

[master of the puppets]

parents or no parents i'm surprised the winners didn't show some leniency. but i guess it is in our primal nature to drive our heels down on those in the dirt. and who among us are more primal than children... besides P.E. coaches.

[HoreTore]

They said the Dallas Academy players were handicapped, not oblivious to reality. Do you think they didn't know that they were being degraded and laughed at? But it's okay, because at least they got a chance to spend some quality time with 'real kids'?

Uhm..... What on earth is degrading about getting a good, honest trashing? Who cares about the score?

I mean, unless the coach and players were pointing and laughing, I see little wrong with it...

[Rhyfelwyr]

There was absolutedly no need to run up such a score. A big :thumbsdown: to the players, the league organisers, and especially the coach.

We need to stop trying to treat disabled people as equal when they are clearly not. Why are a disabled team in the same league as normal schools? :dizzy2:

[Husar]

I agree with HoreTore, if they didn't want to get trashed like that, they should have found another team to play against, you can't honestly say you don't want to be treated different because you're disabled (i.e. not play in a league for the disabled only) and then complain that you got trashed by a team of able bodied people, sometimes you have to accept reality (and play with the girls, for example, or get trashed).

[HoreTore]

I agree with HoreTore, if they didn't want to get trashed like that, they should have found another team to play against, you can't honestly say you don't want to be treated different because you're disabled (i.e. not play in a league for the disabled only) and then complain that you got trashed by a team of able bodied people, sometimes you have to accept reality (and play with the girls, for example, or get trashed).

:2thumbsup:

Blame the incompetent league organizers, if you want someone to blame. The winning team just did what they wanted, and there's nothing wrong with that. Why should they be forced to waste an hour of their life to cater to the league organizers need to be incompetent? Why shouldn't they do something meaningful instead?

They made the best of a bad situation - kudos to them for that.

Sports teams exist to win the senior championships. Youth setups are there to create new players to reach that goal.

[Ronin]

Don't they have the moral that there's more important things than winning in Europe?

Where´s the moral of putting a team of handicapped kids up against teams that don´t have the same handicap?

like someone else already said the fact that they where throwing for 3 pointers in the end of the game shows that they were going out of their way to make it more difficult for themselves.



They said the Dallas Academy players were handicapped, not oblivious to reality. Do you think they didn't know that they were being degraded and laughed at? But it's okay, because at least they got a chance to spend some quality time with 'real kids'?


I don´t think playing a half-assed game and "going easy on them" would be any better...it would be worse in fact.
then they would really be patronizing them..and it could even be discussed...making fun of the weaker team.

[ajaxfetish]

We need to stop trying to treat disabled people as equal when they are clearly not. Why are a disabled team in the same league as normal schools? :dizzy2:
I'm not sure on the specifics of how the league operates, but it's not like the Dallas Academy sucks at sports in general. According to the second article, the two schools' boys teams played shortly afterwards and Dallas won 50-38. But while their school has about 120 boys, they've got only about 20 girls. The school may be assigned to the division it's in based on its boys teams, without consideration taken that its girls teams belong at a different level. That's probably one of the first things that needs to change.

Ajax

[Proletariat]

I guess you guy's really don't get barbarianball. There's a shot clock in hoops. When you're up 80 on another team, the normal decent thing to do would be to run the shot clock out each possession which would run the game out. No one's saying they were supposed to coddle the losers.

[HoreTore]

I guess you guy's really don't get barbarianball.

Indeed I really do not.


There's a shot clock in hoops. When you're up 80 on another team, the normal decent thing to do would be to run the shot clock out each possession which would run the game out. No one's saying they were supposed to coddle the losers.

Don't get me wrong. I've read this part 4 times now. I really, really, really can't understand what a word of it....

And I still haven't got an answer to my first question, what "running up the score" means...

[LittleGrizzly]

Don't get me wrong. I've read this part 4 times now. I really, really, really can't understand what a word of it....

I think basically once your in the opposing teams half you only have a certain amount of time to try and score, after that time i think possession switches back over... just running out a clock sounds dreadfully boring though...

Im unsure on this issue... on the hand is not nice to get slaughtered... on the other hand it would be slightly patronising if the whole team starting using thier left hand for example..

[CBR]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Running_up_the_score


In sports in the United States, "running up the score" occurs when a team continues to play in such a way as to score additional points after the outcome of the game is no longer in question and the team is assured of winning.

.........

The term and concept are not common elsewhere in the world

Absurd and yet at the same time ridiculous :clown:

So seems like an American thing. No wonder we Euro weenies have never heard of such a thing.


CBR

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Would it be wrong for one team to run up the score in gym class? Because if these kids are taking women's high school basketball too much more seriously than that you'd have the real problem right there.

[Strike For The South]

I guess you guy's really don't get barbarianball. There's a shot clock in hoops. When you're up 80 on another team, the normal decent thing to do would be to run the shot clock out each possession which would run the game out. No one's saying they were supposed to coddle the losers.

There is no shot clock in Texas high school BASKETBALL at any level.

[HoreTore]

There is no shot clock in Texas high school BARBARIANBALL at any level.

There, fixed it for ya :yes:

[Husar]

Don't get me wrong. I've read this part 4 times now. I really, really, really can't understand what a word of it....

And I still haven't got an answer to my first question, what "running up the score" means...
I can't stop agreeing with you today... :inquisitive:


I think basically once your in the opposing teams half you only have a certain amount of time to try and score, after that time i think possession switches back over... just running out a clock sounds dreadfully boring though...

Im unsure on this issue... on the hand is not nice to get slaughtered... on the other hand it would be slightly patronising if the whole team starting using thier left hand for example..
Thatnks for the explanation, now that I think about it, I remember it from school and yes, it does sound boring, also throwing the ball over the heads of the disabled until the clock runs out sounds rather humiliating to me, almost like you're really trying to make fun of them.
"Look, I could score now but I won't because you retards can't get the ball anyway..."
"Woops, you almost had it, hehe."

I think that game has a different name though.

[Strike For The South]

There, fixed it for ya :yes:


Why do you call it that? Bigot. :wink:

[HoreTore]

Why do you call it that? Bigot.

Why? Because it's a game involving a ball, but it's not football*, so obviously it must be one of the inferior "sports" involving a ball, all of which can be lumped together and classed as barbarianball, since, well, they're quite irrelevant and quite frankly barbarian sports, nothing like the esteemed and beautiful game of football... In the words of Bill Shankly:

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."

*I am, of course, referring to the european kind, the one where using your hands is against the rules, hence the name "football, not "foot and hands-ball".

[Strike For The South]

Why? Because it's a game involving a ball, but it's not football*, so obviously it must be one of the inferior "sports" involving a ball, all of which can be lumped together and classed as barbarianball, since, well, they're quite irrelevant and quite frankly barbarian sports, nothing like the esteemed and beautiful game of football... In the words of Bill Shankly:

"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that."

*I am, of course, referring to the european kind, the one where using your hands is against the rules, hence the name "football, not "foot and hands-ball".

Soccer? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Husar]

Soccer? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Soccer is that game where they have a Superbowl, right?

[Sasaki Kojiro]

People keep bringing this up, but "learning disability" doesn't mean that they're slow. The schools webpage mentions ADD, dyslexia and dysgraphia. Whoever wrote the news article was just playing that angle becaus of their personal bias or to make it more interesting.

[Strike For The South]

People keep bringing this up, but "learning disability" doesn't mean that they're slow. The schools webpage mentions ADD, dyslexia and dysgraphia. Whoever wrote the news article was just playing that angle becaus of their personal bias or to make it more interesting.

This. The coach pumped the brakes a bit but Dallas academy just sucks. God I wish my parents had been this coddling after I did bad at my sports. I remember being called names and being asked if I wanted to be there oldest daughter. (Competition runs rampant at the south house)

[KukriKhan]

Q: What's worse: losing 100-99 or 100-0?

A: Neither. They're the same - a loss.

If both teams played to the best of their ability, a good game was had, whatever the score. Did the losers just quit, not answer the 4th quarter buzzer? No. They played on. Likewise the winners didn't quit, employing their more complicated plays and tougher goal shots.

There was no humiliation there. On either side. It sounds more like parents and school administrators have interfered, for political-correctness reasons (which sends the wrong teaching point to the students, IMO).

Maybe the fired coach can become the loser's school's assistant coach, and teach those kids the techniques needed to be more successful, point-scoring players. Once they know how it looks, feels, smells and sounds to win, they can do it more often (like my sorrowful Detroit Lions need). So far all they know how to do is lose. It's what they've been trained for. And they don't disappoint.

I agree: whoever built this league needs to get off the sauce and reconfigure it.

Sez me - mister average, second-string, non-star athlete in high school.

[Strike For The South]

I agree: whoever built this league needs to get off the sauce and reconfigure it.



It's a TAAPS league (private schools) Private schools aern't big in Texas due to football and many of us being very poor. Thus the schools are few and far between and the schools that are the closest often get lumped in the same division. It's the only way they can play. Although I know San Antonio had a big school/small school divison. Dallas should have one to

Although by big I mean 300 kids.

[KukriKhan]

Dallas should have one to

yeah.

[Strike For The South]

I look it up. They probably do, the thing is though in these games one or two above average players can really tip the scale. Now maybe not 100 -0 but still

Come to think of it, it's to late for non-distirct but to early for playoffs. Time to investigate!!!!

[KukriKhan]

I appreciate the investigation, Strike, but it's not necessary to the point:

98% of high school athletes are not going to be professional athletes, or even uni players. So what is the point of even having/funding high school sports? Sounds like a money-drain, right?

They are to teach, by practical application, that individual effort matters; that being a contributing part of a team, matters. That being honest, matters. That being personally accountable, matters. That treating your opponents with respect and dignity, matters.

Those lessons can be, and are, taught every day in every high school district in the land. They can be discussed and dissected in the classroom, but can only be put into the sharp relief they deserve, on the playing fields/pitches of sport/pretend war.

Ancient Greeks knew that and honored it. We should, too.

[Strike For The South]

OK. Here is what my metroplex scources tell me

1. Covenant (the team that won) only had six players
2. The week before there was a 55-1 game and a 108-22 game (TAAPS!!!!!!)
3. The school didn't have a problem until this thing blew up nationally
4. Dallas academy (losing team) got a "forefit" win, suite seats to a mavericks game and then quit there leauage
5. Academy hasn't won a game in four years
6. Both teams are 2A which is the 2nd smallest classifacation in the state

Guys this happens more than you'd think. Just a couple days a go two local Lubbock high school teams in the biggest classification (5A over 2,000 kids) played and one beat the other 109-18

The reason for this is

1. The coach was still pressing at 70 or 80 (conflicting reports) to 0
2. The nice round 100-0 number
3. The "disabled" thing which is kind of a misnomer

I'm sure some of this has been said but there ya go.

[KukriKhan]

thanks, stfs. :bow:

gives some perspective.

[Strike For The South]

I appreciate the investigation, Strike, but it's not necessary to the point:

98% of high school athletes are not going to be professional athletes, or even uni players. So what is the point of even having/funding high school sports? Sounds like a money-drain, right?

They are to teach, by practical application, that individual effort matters; that being a contributing part of a team, matters. That being honest, matters. That being personally accountable, matters. That treating your opponents with respect and dignity, matters.

Those lessons can be, and are, taught every day in every high school district in the land. They can be discussed and dissected in the classroom, but can only be put into the sharp relief they deserve, on the playing fields/pitches of sport/pretend war.

Ancient Greeks knew that and honored it. We should, too.

You are wise my friend. However, Sport in Texas often leads to a very competitive feeling. Make no mistake we are very nice people off the court/feild/diamond but on it we are out for blood.

Not that I condone that, some things that I heard and saw during my years as a highschool athlete ranged from the tame to deranged. Granted football is the worst but Texans take these things seriously. One of our few faults.